I presume this something to do with some Windows functionality?
I remember reading Andrew Tridgell's comments in 'The Rebel Code' by Glyn Moody - "...And we try to remain bug-for-bug compatible where it makes sense. There are some cases where it doesn't make sense, and their [MS] bugs are just ridiculous, and you shouldn't emulate them. But in most cases, we emulate the bugs so that we interoperate completely with the Microsoft implementation."
Are you trying to claim that without Groklaw, IBM would have just rolled over and said "SCO is right". I don't think so. None of the companies being sued by SCO would have rolled over. Groklaw provides information to a very niche crowd; the overly interested Linux geeks. It has kept us informed of the goings on. I don't think it has had significant influence outside that tiny niche. I don't think it's existence or lack thereof would alter the conclusion of this SCO debacle either way. SCO doesn't have a case. We all know that. Reality would triumph over SCO with or without somebody's written opinion on a blog.
Good points. But without the 'many eyes' have uncovered previous/past documents? Would 'semi-geeks' that use Linux be aware of legal issues?
I don't know, but it is sure PJ's blog opened the eyes of the world to at least _read_ and get access to stuff, other than reading a news report of questionable faith.
I doubt IBM would roll over - of course not - but perhaps the shape of the litigation may be have been different without the many eyes on Groklaw almost immediately proving/disputing SCOs absure claims as they came off the press; but we will never know, alas.
PJ 'blogs' the facts, albeit sometimes with a fierce preserve for open source, but nevertheless, the FACTS.
The other news sites 'report' what they decide is 'news', and that 'news' can be swayed by whatever/whoever is paying them to say it.
I have been a posting member of Groklaw for ages now, and I damn well trust an ex-paralegal to investigate and 'blog' the truth, rather than any news reporter ANYTIME.
PJ has done the world of 'IANAL' geeks proud - and I would even say without a doubt without PJ and her blog, the SCO FUD would have worked and we would all be in the shit.
The people that run the Country rely on oil as the controlling mechanism - the middle east problems have nothing to do with terrorism - but everything to do with oil.
The power people OWN the oil. If there was anything that started to interfere with that mechanism, then you will see Government refusal to grant licences to build facilities etc to produce an alternate energy supply. Mark my words.
1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol in excess.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
7. All animals are equal.
There must be huge amount of traffic on the Internet - and I guess if the FBI (and ilk) can tie a download to within five minutes of a person downloading a file (albeit a few months later), then it 95% of traffic MUST be 'big brother' monitoring stations [Y'all hear me, FBI guys!!! -> STOP IT!]
One thing they cannot get in _their_ thick stupid heads is Open Source is open source to the point that 10 year old Joe Bloggs can send a patch in to fix.
Controlled 'open source' whereby the code is given away, but people cannot argue about what is good/bad/ugly and patch it, is not open as Linux is.
GNU/Linux moves in funny ways, and it has nothing to do with Companies releasing source to there products (and IP I presume) or whatever.
That is what FUD is... scaring. I think the SCO case woke MS up [funding it] when it didn't go all their way. Now we have the threat of them doing it with their cash reserves.
Could an open source project code team afford the legal costs to protect what is theirs against dubious patents awarded to MS in court? I doubt it.
Microsoft have teams of lawyers working to patent everything and anything and it gets granted (et al the 'to-do list').
OK, supposedly the system only works when a patent is contested in Court. But due to the $$$$ Microsoft have in reserves, anybody that legally owns (or doesn't infringe) CANNOT afford to mount a defence against the diatribe of ligation, and has to recede.
Microsoft win everytime, whether legal or not (and if it dubious, they buy them out anyway).
An Irish comedian who years ago had a TV in the UK told a joke like this:
500 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, hung, drawn and quartered.
300 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, and hung
100 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, abused, thrown in jail on bread and water until you died.
50 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be jailed in the most embarrassing way (and all secrets would be public) so the shame would kill you.
20 years ago, if you was homosexual, you will be abused and be pushed out of normal life... but you lived.
10 years ago, if you was homosexual, it was accepted if you stayed in the closet.
Today, if you are homosexual, you have rights!
In 10 years time it we be MANDATORY to be homosexual, OR ELSE you will be be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, hung, drawn and quartered and shagged.
Yes, agree. But one big difference. With MS windows, everything is hidden, and when you do 'real shit' to hack a fix, you haven't the slightest clue if the box ever comes back up... and if it don't, they you get deeper in the mire. Plus logs will be totally meaningless anyway.
When I first downloaded Knoppix and ran it, it was a really "WOW" moment. Perhaps one of the first best things to come out to promote Linux ever - I hand out Knoppix disc's all the time at work, even though the users haven't a clue ("Will it fuck my memory up?". "I have a windows monitor, will that work?" et al ad naseum).
Is this a kosher document? I can't see a guy like Patrick 'googling' for a health problem at all. I really don't.
If it is, I hope the Internet world can help.
But now, if it happened to the 'other' guy, it would be different. The new MSN search engine would pull up results from MSKDB. The appeal would come in spontaneous e-mails "Hi There. Can you help? Please click my_x-rays.zip"
... I get people in a panic come up to me and ask if I can restore a 'really important' file they deleted by accident.
"Yes, sure, what was it called?". "Ummm, I can't remember... it was an Excel spreadsheet. can you restore it?". "Well, I could if I know the name and location. What was it called and where was it?". "On K:\ drive. Excel spreadsheet - you know?".... ad naseum.
I see bots hitting a cgi test set-up forum I ran 2 years ago (before uploading to remote ISP) STILL try to index pages. I think the bloke is spot on with his analysis.
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A yank kid would now say
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I presume this something to do with some Windows functionality?
I remember reading Andrew Tridgell's comments in 'The Rebel Code' by Glyn Moody - "...And we try to remain bug-for-bug compatible where it makes sense. There are some cases where it doesn't make sense, and their [MS] bugs are just ridiculous, and you shouldn't emulate them. But in most cases, we emulate the bugs so that we interoperate completely with the Microsoft implementation."
Are you trying to claim that without Groklaw, IBM would have just rolled over and said "SCO is right". I don't think so. None of the companies being sued by SCO would have rolled over. Groklaw provides information to a very niche crowd; the overly interested Linux geeks. It has kept us informed of the goings on. I don't think it has had significant influence outside that tiny niche. I don't think it's existence or lack thereof would alter the conclusion of this SCO debacle either way. SCO doesn't have a case. We all know that. Reality would triumph over SCO with or without somebody's written opinion on a blog.
Good points. But without the 'many eyes' have uncovered previous/past documents? Would 'semi-geeks' that use Linux be aware of legal issues?
I don't know, but it is sure PJ's blog opened the eyes of the world to at least _read_ and get access to stuff, other than reading a news report of questionable faith.
I doubt IBM would roll over - of course not - but perhaps the shape of the litigation may be have been different without the many eyes on Groklaw almost immediately proving/disputing SCOs absure claims as they came off the press; but we will never know, alas.
PJ 'blogs' the facts, albeit sometimes with a fierce preserve for open source, but nevertheless, the FACTS.
The other news sites 'report' what they decide is 'news', and that 'news' can be swayed by whatever/whoever is paying them to say it.
I have been a posting member of Groklaw for ages now, and I damn well trust an ex-paralegal to investigate and 'blog' the truth, rather than any news reporter ANYTIME.
PJ has done the world of 'IANAL' geeks proud - and I would even say without a doubt without PJ and her blog, the SCO FUD would have worked and we would all be in the shit.
NTL is an ISP? Whoa, news to me... I thought they was UK's answer to AOL.
All I can say is MS surely have to be held accountable for this, and answerable to it* - forget the bollocks on the EULA.
Nick
* we all have known for eons MS stuff isn't secure anyway - no matter in what guise.
The people that run the Country rely on oil as the controlling mechanism - the middle east problems have nothing to do with terrorism - but everything to do with oil.
The power people OWN the oil. If there was anything that started to interfere with that mechanism, then you will see Government refusal to grant licences to build facilities etc to produce an alternate energy supply. Mark my words.
Think of the oil people as a big version of MS.
Will not allow technology like this.
1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
3. No animal shall wear clothes.
4. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
5. No animal shall drink alcohol in excess.
6. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
7. All animals are equal.
There must be huge amount of traffic on the Internet - and I guess if the FBI (and ilk) can tie a download to within five minutes of a person downloading a file (albeit a few months later), then it 95% of traffic MUST be 'big brother' monitoring stations [Y'all hear me, FBI guys!!! -> STOP IT!]
One thing they cannot get in _their_ thick stupid heads is Open Source is open source to the point that 10 year old Joe Bloggs can send a patch in to fix.
Controlled 'open source' whereby the code is given away, but people cannot argue about what is good/bad/ugly and patch it, is not open as Linux is.
GNU/Linux moves in funny ways, and it has nothing to do with Companies releasing source to there products (and IP I presume) or whatever.
That is what FUD is... scaring. I think the SCO case woke MS up [funding it] when it didn't go all their way. Now we have the threat of them doing it with their cash reserves.
Could an open source project code team afford the legal costs to protect what is theirs against dubious patents awarded to MS in court? I doubt it.
Microsoft have teams of lawyers working to patent everything and anything and it gets granted (et al the 'to-do list').
OK, supposedly the system only works when a patent is contested in Court. But due to the $$$$ Microsoft have in reserves, anybody that legally owns (or doesn't infringe) CANNOT afford to mount a defence against the diatribe of ligation, and has to recede.
Microsoft win everytime, whether legal or not (and if it dubious, they buy them out anyway).
Monopoly rules... do NOT pass go.
Do they flash when accessing your hard drive, or toggle on/off pressing CAPS LOCK? Otherwise, no good for us lot here...
An Irish comedian who years ago had a TV in the UK told a joke like this:
500 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, hung, drawn and quartered.
300 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, and hung
100 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be tortured, abused, thrown in jail on bread and water until you died. 50 years ago, if you was homosexual, you would be jailed in the most embarrassing way (and all secrets would be public) so the shame would kill you. 20 years ago, if you was homosexual, you will be abused and be pushed out of normal life... but you lived. 10 years ago, if you was homosexual, it was accepted if you stayed in the closet. Today, if you are homosexual, you have rights! In 10 years time it we be MANDATORY to be homosexual, OR ELSE you will be be tortured, burnt with red hot branding irons, hung, drawn and quartered and shagged.
It was from some HS&E lecture at work.... "If current consumption maintains..."
I found a sort of link about it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3777413.stm
See! Second biggest producer of oil, but no export! producing it != using it. Use other peoples and keep yer own!
You can produce as much as you like and store it in reserves, like I said. Burn other people dry first.
Remember the Bush family got their money from "io'll". Hence the theories about invading Iraq (what WMD?).
America sits on the biggest reserves of oil in the world as it is not used - buying (or raiding) from abroad to keep the nation afloat.
Soon, like 15 years time (maybe less) the oil will run out. But the USA's oil has never been used, and then THEY will be the only suppliers.
Mad Max? Madness of George, I would say.
Of course he doesn't want to endorse kyoto...
Yes, agree. But one big difference. With MS windows, everything is hidden, and when you do 'real shit' to hack a fix, you haven't the slightest clue if the box ever comes back up... and if it don't, they you get deeper in the mire. Plus logs will be totally meaningless anyway.
You DID back up the registry, didn't you?
When I first downloaded Knoppix and ran it, it was a really "WOW" moment. Perhaps one of the first best things to come out to promote Linux ever - I hand out Knoppix disc's all the time at work, even though the users haven't a clue ("Will it fuck my memory up?". "I have a windows monitor, will that work?" et al ad naseum).
I use Slackware 10 - it is excellent.
Is this a kosher document? I can't see a guy like Patrick 'googling' for a health problem at all. I really don't.
If it is, I hope the Internet world can help.
But now, if it happened to the 'other' guy, it would be different. The new MSN search engine would pull up results from MSKDB. The appeal would come in spontaneous e-mails "Hi There. Can you help? Please click my_x-rays.zip"
... I get people in a panic come up to me and ask if I can restore a 'really important' file they deleted by accident.
"Yes, sure, what was it called?". "Ummm, I can't remember... it was an Excel spreadsheet. can you restore it?". "Well, I could if I know the name and location. What was it called and where was it?". "On K:\ drive. Excel spreadsheet - you know?".... ad naseum.
I see bots hitting a cgi test set-up forum I ran 2 years ago (before uploading to remote ISP) STILL try to index pages. I think the bloke is spot on with his analysis.
...Chinese farting CERTAINLY does contribute to global warming. So you are wong!
The story.