Maybe it's because they pound their chests and declare they're the most secure, cheapest, bestest, fastest, etc, etc, even when there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Slashdot has a history of reporting user-executed attachments as "vulnerabilities", to the never ending delight of the peanut gallery, who consider that it's Microsoft's fault if I run something I shouldn't have on my computer, but if I do the same thing on any other OS, it's my fault.
Plus, Hakko Mipponen (or whatever his name is) has to make a living scaring the bejezus out of everyone - what better way to get started than with something that's not even really out of alpha?
Because we all know that P2P is only used to trade legal content. How dare those evil record companies "pollute" the system.
Shocking.
I don't know that their tactics are effective - after all, networks like eDonkey|eMule seem to be pretty good at self-policing. But it's amusing to see the undercurrent of outrage in these 'stories'.
We all know damn well why the *AA folks do what they do.
MS has been running these experiments on start.com for at least six months, certainly before Google started their personalized page. In fact, they started right around the time the new MSN portal was coming out of beta, which was also when GMail went live. And Yahoo was doing it before both of them.
Bullshit from Slashdork, again. We must feel that Microsoft is inferior to everything else in order to feel secure. Nasal chuckles from the peanut gallery - honk, honk, M$ dosent innovateing, har har.
I'm all for giving them grief when they deserve it, but this is bullshit.
That doesn't sound like freedom to me but more like bullying.
Huh? At what point did this become related to "freedom"? My response to Mr. Cocksucker was directed at him, and him alone. Not at the world at large, and not you. Honestly, there are things I wish my country wouldn't do, but other than voting there's really not much I can do for you (or him).
I get a rise out of assholes who think they've figured out exactly why the world "hates us". Who the fuck is some random guy in Indonesia or Peru to tell me that he and his brethren hate me because some wackjob in Kansas is having a religious epiphany and decided Darwin was on crack? Sorry, but fuck that. And how about hating every other industrialized nation in the planet while they're at it? At least let's drop the selective historical revisionism bullshit, eh? It's not like the US is source and font of all the world's fucking problems. Give me a break.
resorted to name calling
The moment Mr. Asshole here tells me "how it is", it's name calling. I'm an American, one of many.
I mean, holy fucking shit, everyone in the goddamn world is pissed at us because "we" "think" "all" muslims are terrorists (among other retarded stereotypes they like to peg on all of us), and here's this fucking dildo telling me the world hates all Americans because, among other things, we make bad movies. Fuck me over and pass the beer.
I see this day in and day out, and sometimes I get pissed off enough to actually reply.
Yes then, perhaps it should have been modded flamebait instead of interesting, but I find that Slashdork is surprisingly (or rather not) anti-American. And so I felt the need to tell Mr. "OMFG TEH USA IS TEH EVILZ!!1!" to go fuck himself.
And while I'm at it, sorry for "opening my mouth", as it were, but fuck you, too.
Let me write a really short answer to your misguided hippy "let's stick it to the man" stream of bullshit - if the United States Of America was actually so fucking evil as to fit your diarrheic POV, we would have "ruled" the world a long time ago, and you'd be singing God Bless America every morning in school in whatever country you happen to be at.
The United States of America is a great power not because of what it has done, but because of what it has not done. No power in history has had so much power and abused it so little.
Yes, you should say "thank you" and be on your way. The world could be a much fucking worse place than it is, if it wasn't for this country. Right now however you'll have to excuse us - we're kind of busy trying to kill a bunch of people that, like yourself, would like to see us humiliated and destroyed. Sorry for all the dust, mmmkay? It will be over in a couple of years. In the meantime, I recommend you educate yourself a bit and research just who is advocating all these stands on religion, pornography, abortion and homosexuality you find so offensive among all 300 million of us. You'll be surprised.
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Yeah, and a lot of people are still running Windows 2000, and will continue to do so for a few years.
Even if I wanted to run the same OS "forever" I wouldn't use Linux or BSD, probably something supported by Sun, IBM or HP. So whatever the argument is, you have no argument. You have yourself a great day, too.
I use 2003 as a desktop, too. I have heard from some MSFT folks that IE7 will run on 2003, but it will possibly not be 'supported', whatever that means. It's not like I ever required support for IE anyway.
This is relatively strong hearsay, but hearsay nonetheless. Still, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Besides you making a completely wild 'rectal approximation' about the nature of choices made by thousands of developers who put projects on Sourceforge
Here's your 'rectal approximation'. Look at the entry for the GPL. 45,000+ projects - far more than any other OSI-approved license. Rectal enough?
How do you figure that the choice of a license "causes problems for corporate developers"?
I think the OP was referring to the fact that a library (non-application) project under the GPL is essentially useless to a corporate developer, assuming their product is distributed beyond their firewall.
I hear the GPL will take care of that, given the Google/Yahoo "problem" that the FSF has been harping about for the past few years.
But you are right at least in this: TANSTAAFL. A developer is free to release his/her code under anything that suits him, and everyone else is free to use or not use the code if they have problems with the license. In this sense, the GPL is not "problematic" in any way. The GPL is only "viral" (or "infectious" as ESR recently called it) if you're dumb enough to let it behave that way by incorporating it into your product(s) without first considering the impact. No one forces GPL'ed code on anyone.
I will say this - I have heard people bemoan the fact that they released some code under the GPL for whatever reason, mainly because "that's what everyone uses". An opportunity comes around later that is complicated because there's already a version of the code out there under the GPL, even though they're the copyright holders. The FOSS world tends to be surprisingly misinformed about licenses, for all their firebrand rethoric on the issue. But I wouldn't go as far as to claim all developers licensed their code under the GPL "mistakenly".
Declaring a moral equivalence between the die out of the American Indian through disease and war, and the systematic, industrialized extermination of 6 million passive, unarmed people is beyond mentally deranged.
I know it's fashionable to bash the United States nowadays. Why don't you bash Spain as well? After all, they killed +20M people in Central and South America. And the Portugese? French? The English probably killed more North American indians than the US as a country ever did, mostly through introduction of disease.
I know, let's convict all living Mongolians. They killed an estimated 30 million people before they stopped at the edge of Western Europe.
Hey, maybe we can also prosecute rats. After all, rats spread the bubonic plague, which killed about 100 million people over the course of half a century.
The Japanese empire sacrificed almost a million and a half soldiers and civilians defending a few worthless piles of volcanic rock in the middle of the Pacific, all of which were at least a few thousand miles from Tokyo.
And yet there are people who theorize that they would have welcomed the US with open arms and flowers and happily surrendered the instant a couple of Marines set foot on the beaches of their homeland and went "boo!"
Ridiculous nut. Have a good little jihad, you'll really need the luck if you think everyone is out to get you this bad.
BTW, this:
Yes, that's the definition of innovation.
Is a winner. Next time Microsoft breaks yet-another-standard make sure you post something along the lines of "OMFG!! M$ is TEH ROXXORZ INNOVATEING!!!".
You can criticize MS all you want, I don't give a flying fuck. Just don't tell me how utterly fantastic free software is compared to Microsoft.
10 times as much open source innovation
10 times? Wow. Why not 20? 50? 100. I know: 100 is a nice, round number, don't you think? My ghod, what an asswipe. Does your mom know you're up this late?
xen, postgres, reiser3, zope, ruby on rails, parrot, jboss
xen: sure. Microsoft has something similar. So does Novell and IBM.
postgres: A great database. Show me the innovation over MS SQL, Oracle, DB2 or Sybase. The only thing Postgres has going for it is that it's the only non-toy free database. Funny you didn't mention MySQL. They're innovating a lot these days, adding stored procs, triggers and whatnot. Amazing!
reiser3: Sun and IBM beat Hans by a mile and a few years. The only difference is that reiserX is free and designed almost exclusively for Linux.
zope: Absolutely, I'll give you that. Actually, I'll throw you a bone: Microsoft Content Management Server is a piece of shit, and there is probably nothing that compares to Plone/Zope in the commercial world with the exception of that CMS used by Wired and a lot of other big websites whose name I always forget. There we go, Zope is a good example of open source innovation.
ruby on rails: Surely you jest.
parrot: In perpetual alpha for what, 6 years? In the meantime Microsoft's.NET CLR has been out for five, and it actually works.
jboss: And Fleury innovates exactly where? By coming up with new and exciting containers that break across J2EE implementations? And then astroturfing the hell out of TheServerSide.net? ROFL, innovation indeed.
Well, that was fun.
I don't see much innovation going on anywhere at MS for any product
Of course you don't. You're too busy seeing innovation where there is none.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, it sucks when that happens.
Of course you can always "embargo" all your vulnerability details (see for example bug #294795) - and feel comfortable in your superior position!
Would you have preferred "Warthy Warthog" or "Sweaty Weasel"?
Plus, Hakko Mipponen (or whatever his name is) has to make a living scaring the bejezus out of everyone - what better way to get started than with something that's not even really out of alpha?
Shocking.
I don't know that their tactics are effective - after all, networks like eDonkey|eMule seem to be pretty good at self-policing. But it's amusing to see the undercurrent of outrage in these 'stories'.
We all know damn well why the *AA folks do what they do.
Bullshit from Slashdork, again. We must feel that Microsoft is inferior to everything else in order to feel secure. Nasal chuckles from the peanut gallery - honk, honk, M$ dosent innovateing, har har.
I'm all for giving them grief when they deserve it, but this is bullshit.
Do the editors not actually visit the links provided with the submissions?
I think they do, and I think this is another one of those slashvertisements that people get punished around here for suggesting they even exist.
I was actually looking forward to reading something from one of the svn devs. What a fucking waste of time.
Huh? At what point did this become related to "freedom"? My response to Mr. Cocksucker was directed at him, and him alone. Not at the world at large, and not you. Honestly, there are things I wish my country wouldn't do, but other than voting there's really not much I can do for you (or him).
I get a rise out of assholes who think they've figured out exactly why the world "hates us". Who the fuck is some random guy in Indonesia or Peru to tell me that he and his brethren hate me because some wackjob in Kansas is having a religious epiphany and decided Darwin was on crack? Sorry, but fuck that. And how about hating every other industrialized nation in the planet while they're at it? At least let's drop the selective historical revisionism bullshit, eh? It's not like the US is source and font of all the world's fucking problems. Give me a break.
resorted to name calling
The moment Mr. Asshole here tells me "how it is", it's name calling. I'm an American, one of many.
I mean, holy fucking shit, everyone in the goddamn world is pissed at us because "we" "think" "all" muslims are terrorists (among other retarded stereotypes they like to peg on all of us), and here's this fucking dildo telling me the world hates all Americans because, among other things, we make bad movies. Fuck me over and pass the beer.
I see this day in and day out, and sometimes I get pissed off enough to actually reply.
Yes then, perhaps it should have been modded flamebait instead of interesting, but I find that Slashdork is surprisingly (or rather not) anti-American. And so I felt the need to tell Mr. "OMFG TEH USA IS TEH EVILZ!!1!" to go fuck himself.
And while I'm at it, sorry for "opening my mouth", as it were, but fuck you, too.
The United States of America is a great power not because of what it has done, but because of what it has not done. No power in history has had so much power and abused it so little.
Yes, you should say "thank you" and be on your way. The world could be a much fucking worse place than it is, if it wasn't for this country. Right now however you'll have to excuse us - we're kind of busy trying to kill a bunch of people that, like yourself, would like to see us humiliated and destroyed. Sorry for all the dust, mmmkay? It will be over in a couple of years. In the meantime, I recommend you educate yourself a bit and research just who is advocating all these stands on religion, pornography, abortion and homosexuality you find so offensive among all 300 million of us. You'll be surprised.
Hope that helps.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so funny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so original! You make me laugh! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You funny man! I like you jokes! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow...my sides are hurting with that funny, funny quip you just threw down on us like some clever maniacal funny man! You so funny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Someone even posted this thing to Slashnot to show how funny you really are to the rest of us! Quip, quip says you! Everyone! Over here! Look at the funny man! He made a funny about "free as in speech"! Get it? ...beer, free as in beer...HAHAHAHAHA! It's a reference to free software... how it is related to free speech... HAHAHAHAHA! Yes, I am not sure where this guy is from but boy is he funny! Who invited him to the party? We gotta have this guy over more often! Honey? Come down here a second and listen to this guy 'tell it like it is' in a really funny way. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! "An open source beer", that's priceless. "Gurana beans" Gold. Just pure gold. How do you do it? So many stories get posted here on Slashdork but then you see a funny gem like this. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Pure hilarity. When's the last time you actually tried to explain this to someone and so wittily remarked about it? But the brilliance of you associating in the beer with "speech" had me splitting my sides.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You funny man. So clever, so very very clever. I'll bet you were the funny man in school too. And I'll bet everyone will understand the philosophy behind free software now. Thanks ever so much!
Even if I wanted to run the same OS "forever" I wouldn't use Linux or BSD, probably something supported by Sun, IBM or HP. So whatever the argument is, you have no argument. You have yourself a great day, too.
Except when you're a RedHat customer, and you actually paid for it, mmm?
And the FSF 0wnz j00 if you deviate from the GPL, so I think we're even.
This is relatively strong hearsay, but hearsay nonetheless. Still, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php? form_cat=14
Here's your 'rectal approximation'. Look at the entry for the GPL. 45,000+ projects - far more than any other OSI-approved license. Rectal enough?
How do you figure that the choice of a license "causes problems for corporate developers"?
I think the OP was referring to the fact that a library (non-application) project under the GPL is essentially useless to a corporate developer, assuming their product is distributed beyond their firewall.
I hear the GPL will take care of that, given the Google/Yahoo "problem" that the FSF has been harping about for the past few years.
But you are right at least in this: TANSTAAFL. A developer is free to release his/her code under anything that suits him, and everyone else is free to use or not use the code if they have problems with the license. In this sense, the GPL is not "problematic" in any way. The GPL is only "viral" (or "infectious" as ESR recently called it) if you're dumb enough to let it behave that way by incorporating it into your product(s) without first considering the impact. No one forces GPL'ed code on anyone.
I will say this - I have heard people bemoan the fact that they released some code under the GPL for whatever reason, mainly because "that's what everyone uses". An opportunity comes around later that is complicated because there's already a version of the code out there under the GPL, even though they're the copyright holders. The FOSS world tends to be surprisingly misinformed about licenses, for all their firebrand rethoric on the issue. But I wouldn't go as far as to claim all developers licensed their code under the GPL "mistakenly".
I know it's fashionable to bash the United States nowadays. Why don't you bash Spain as well? After all, they killed +20M people in Central and South America. And the Portugese? French? The English probably killed more North American indians than the US as a country ever did, mostly through introduction of disease.
I know, let's convict all living Mongolians. They killed an estimated 30 million people before they stopped at the edge of Western Europe.
Hey, maybe we can also prosecute rats. After all, rats spread the bubonic plague, which killed about 100 million people over the course of half a century.
Dumbass.
What a great group of people Slashdork is.
And yet there are people who theorize that they would have welcomed the US with open arms and flowers and happily surrendered the instant a couple of Marines set foot on the beaches of their homeland and went "boo!"
Excellent logical conclusions, if you ask me.
Ah, idealism. The drug of choice of Generation Grunt.
Thank you, I hadn't thought of it that way.
And maybe we'd all be speaking German and drinking Schnapps. Or sake. Einstein did not have a monopoly on brilliance.
The lesser of all evils, eh?
Oh, and of course the United States did not systematically annihilate 6+ million human beings on purpose. I almost forgot that small detail.
Take a chill pill and call me in the morning.
BTW, this:
Yes, that's the definition of innovation.
Is a winner. Next time Microsoft breaks yet-another-standard make sure you post something along the lines of "OMFG!! M$ is TEH ROXXORZ INNOVATEING!!!".
What a hoot you people are, I swear.
You can criticize MS all you want, I don't give a flying fuck. Just don't tell me how utterly fantastic free software is compared to Microsoft.
10 times as much open source innovation
10 times? Wow. Why not 20? 50? 100. I know: 100 is a nice, round number, don't you think? My ghod, what an asswipe. Does your mom know you're up this late?
xen, postgres, reiser3, zope, ruby on rails, parrot, jboss
- xen: sure. Microsoft has something similar. So does Novell and IBM.
- postgres: A great database. Show me the innovation over MS SQL, Oracle, DB2 or Sybase. The only thing Postgres has going for it is that it's the only non-toy free database. Funny you didn't mention MySQL. They're innovating a lot these days, adding stored procs, triggers and whatnot. Amazing!
- reiser3: Sun and IBM beat Hans by a mile and a few years. The only difference is that reiserX is free and designed almost exclusively for Linux.
- zope: Absolutely, I'll give you that. Actually, I'll throw you a bone: Microsoft Content Management Server is a piece of shit, and there is probably nothing that compares to Plone/Zope in the commercial world with the exception of that CMS used by Wired and a lot of other big websites whose name I always forget. There we go, Zope is a good example of open source innovation.
- ruby on rails: Surely you jest.
- parrot: In perpetual alpha for what, 6 years? In the meantime Microsoft's
.NET CLR has been out for five, and it actually works.
- jboss: And Fleury innovates exactly where? By coming up with new and exciting containers that break across J2EE implementations? And then astroturfing the hell out of TheServerSide.net? ROFL, innovation indeed.
Well, that was fun.I don't see much innovation going on anywhere at MS for any product
Of course you don't. You're too busy seeing innovation where there is none.