I think that there's no sense in starting an uproar over "creating new species" and "playing god" yet. I sortof agree. But the question is, When is it okay? When can we become upset? It's a very hard line to draw. I think we should be constantly pushing forward and constantly questioning at the same time. Because what if they hit upon something? Which might be very useful? Or have ramifications we weren't prepared to deal with? Legislation and public reaction can move slow if the awareness isn't there. I do think that our sense of morals and ethics (as humans) has evolved over the years; I'm not sure I believe in absolute right or wrong. So, I'm down with breaking new ground and trying new things. But while these opinions and ethics may change slowly with time, we had better be aware of all the issues, all the potential ramifications and all the potential costs (monetary and other) before we bring these things to market so quickly [I'm looking at you, Monsanto!].
Yeah, it was a joke. I don't ever use Kelvin, for me when I see some two-digit number followed by K, I immediately think thousand. I suppose it just depends on your trade.
average rises of average temperatures of up to 11K whoa whoa whoa... 11,000 degrees! Damn! I'm not even sure if you mean Fahrenheit or Celcius, but I know that's hot!
That's a really cool story. Reminds me of the film "Pay It Forward". And yeah, Stallman is a very fitting name for the vessel. Though, personally, I might've chosen: HMS RMS
This is great and I'm sure he would've appreciated it, but that's what I find strange. Why don't we make more efforts to do these things while people are alive. I mean, once they are dead, we are basically doing it for ourselves, "Oh, yeah, remember Adams and his books?" or maybe his family. But those who we are commemorating never get to experience what we are trying to express, which is overwhelming appreciation. I think maybe we should try to do more retrospectives of those still with us. Who has lived a full life and made major contributions to our understanding, knowledge or culture. Then, give them an asteroid. Things like this are done, no doubt. Just something that struck me.
Can you do destruction? I'm asking in earnest. Think about a file system. When something is deleted, it just says "okay, you can use this space now", it doesn't actually write over it (unless you shred, etc). So the question is, if you're not actually destroying, but rearranging, what do you make where the original once was? What's going to over-write that space? This seems more complicated to me than one might originally guess, but I am not in the know on such topics. Someone who gets sub-atomic physics can fill me in.
I think your point is valid, but it is not (just) partying that gets to the rockstars. They travel. A lot. Most play shows everyday, sometimes twice on sundays or for a morning show. Pile on top of that travelling every day to get where you are going and always eating on the go, and you've got a tired, jet-lagged, is it 12-noon or 12-midnight rockstar on your hands. But you're right, the cocaine doesn't help. My point is that a lot of the rockstars actually do work their asses off to get to where they are, but most will then land, having "made it" and party non-stop. But for those that don't, work is work, either way.
But there are always exceptions. Look at the Rolling Stones. I'm not even sure they should be alive considering the sex,drugs,rocknroll! lifestyle they maintained. But not only are they still touring, they are now actually back in the studio recording new material. Some game designers might burn out (from all that mountain dew, you know) and others will flourish well into their 70s.
This comment seems unnecessary and strangely placed. FTA: Here's my thinking, and it is just thinking -- I have no insider knowledge of Apple's plans, I haven't been diving in any Cupertino dumpsters, and nobody who knows the truth has told me a darned thing. I've got to wonder if it was even mentioned because of the whole Think Secret lawsuit. Are people who are spouting idle rumors and speculation going to feel the pressure to issue out-of-the-blue disclaimers? Sigh. The overly litigious benchmark has long since been exceeded.
cash is little object to a working professional who needs to get things done, and reliably. Hmm. I wish this were true. I really do. But most of the other professionals I know have to work and make ends meet. Just like any other job. You could say that performance and reliability are a priority, so X company is going to be the most expensive servers and the full support to go with them.. But it's just not realistic. Look at Google; they are a great example of what I am talking about (in terms of modularity, not necessarily price / performance). Cheap(er) components, lots of them. Use redundancy and run them into the ground. One keels over, another takes its place. Maybe a lot of people (not necessarily you, as you seem to know people in the business) have an idea that it is glamorous and money is no object. Well that is true, but only for a very small percentage of the working musicians. Most of us aren't famous. Logistically, we could not be. So when this product comes out, I scratch my head because I already do all it can do (except linux, I use OSX) for cheaper. At well-run studios and even universities, they complain about the price of a ProTools system. Money is always an object, music is a business just like any other.
I agree about the oxygen8 not having enough keys. However, that's what I have and use, so I wanted to speak from experience. There are otheroptions for more full-size keyboards. The second to last is full-size and semi-weighted. The last has hammer action! Though it is 600$US.
That's interesting about the Chem. Bros. When was that? When I saw autechre, the used two powerbooks. Crashing, I now concede is the one thing I didn't think of. But it's a risk. And as one who makes electronic music, one I am willing to take.
Use an external keyboard, connected through MIDI, with a shitload of proprietary extensions, and proprietary software to understand them? And when you needed to play it live, you'd carry the keyboard _and_ the computer? If you'd've clicked the link I gave, you'd see that the keyboard in question (the one I have, the one I use for live gigs) is small, light and connected via USB. And I write my own software. So. Basically what I'm saying is the equivalent of those who argue that rolling your own system is cheaper / better / etc. than buying an all-in-one. Whether or not I agree with them on that point (since I do use Apple), I think the argument carries some weight here. Everyone on this site already has a computer. For email and slashdot, who knows. And for cheap or free, they can get decent software and decent hardware to make close-to-professional sounding records. And put on pro-sounding gigs. Someone else who responded to me had the excellent point that large acts putting on live shows would have need for this, as it is designed for such and would almost never crash. Britney's team would probably use something like this. (Maybe not, U2 used to use 2 identical systems running Max/MSP... alas, I cannot find the article now; if you want it I will post it later). Saying if I'm worried about the cost means that I have no use for it anyway is silly. I have a use for it, but I can do the same, or more, with cheaper and more extensible solutions. So why wouldn't I?
Yes, but in all probability, it wasn't even a software mistake at all. More likely an engineer cued something up incorrectly. Perhaps they had all the tracks for both tracks (they typically do two performances on SNL) in the same session and they simply had the wrong one muted. And just so you know, ProTools runs on Windows, too.
I have to admit I don't fully understand these all-powerful keyboards. Why not just use a computer? Software synthesis and recording? Better gui (larger real estate for sure), more choices. You could posit portability but I think my powerbook and my oxygen8 is more portable than this sucker. It's cool, it's geeky, but that does not make it worth the cash, especially if I'm just worried about getting things done. It seems to me all-in-one systems are more prone to breakin down. Modularity, right? It is pretty though.
yes my friend had an experience similar to this. after recording all digital for a while his band and his producer decided to try analog. he had always loved tape, where as i have always preferred digital, and what he ran into explains why: analog tape compresses, distorts and otherwise miscaptures the information being recorded. it just so happens to sound really nice (low end yeah!). on the other hand, digital (up to a certain point) is all about capturing without coloration. it is not perfectly accurate but it is more accurate than analog. like you said, it just depends on your taste... i really prefer what i played to be what i hear unaltered.
s'cool, i wasnt tryin to call you out or anything.... it was simply that two stories today had many posts which fell into those 2 categories (this one and this one). a few other posters said what you said and i just wanted to point out that i dont really think it was all that important. sorry for getting bothered about it; thanks for not jumpin at me
you know it seems theres 2 common responses to new tech here on the dot which are:
-been done. here and here by this guy and that girl. OR -this will never be done; this is a long way off, its all vaporware.
is it me or doesnt it seem like the only time we can have a discussion without these comments is when a new tech that was previously announced comes out *that* day.
come on! this is the whole point of a community and a forum: discussion, exchange of ideas! so what if its been done before. so what if thin client computing is 10 years off (or will never be adopted) either way its still an interesting topic. furthermore, it isnt as if most story submitters claim "brand new!!" or "coming tomorrow!"...
man lets just talk and stop taking everything so damn seriously!
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I think that there's no sense in starting an uproar over "creating new species" and "playing god" yet.
I sortof agree. But the question is, When is it okay? When can we become upset? It's a very hard line to draw. I think we should be constantly pushing forward and constantly questioning at the same time.
Because what if they hit upon something? Which might be very useful? Or have ramifications we weren't prepared to deal with? Legislation and public reaction can move slow if the awareness isn't there.
I do think that our sense of morals and ethics (as humans) has evolved over the years; I'm not sure I believe in absolute right or wrong. So, I'm down with breaking new ground and trying new things. But while these opinions and ethics may change slowly with time, we had better be aware of all the issues, all the potential ramifications and all the potential costs (monetary and other) before we bring these things to market so quickly [I'm looking at you, Monsanto!].
Yeah, it was a joke. I don't ever use Kelvin, for me when I see some two-digit number followed by K, I immediately think thousand. I suppose it just depends on your trade.
average rises of average temperatures of up to 11K
whoa whoa whoa... 11,000 degrees! Damn! I'm not even sure if you mean Fahrenheit or Celcius, but I know that's hot!
That's a really cool story. Reminds me of the film "Pay It Forward".
And yeah, Stallman is a very fitting name for the vessel. Though, personally, I might've chosen:
HMS RMS
This is great and I'm sure he would've appreciated it, but that's what I find strange. Why don't we make more efforts to do these things while people are alive. I mean, once they are dead, we are basically doing it for ourselves, "Oh, yeah, remember Adams and his books?" or maybe his family. But those who we are commemorating never get to experience what we are trying to express, which is overwhelming appreciation.
I think maybe we should try to do more retrospectives of those still with us. Who has lived a full life and made major contributions to our understanding, knowledge or culture. Then, give them an asteroid. Things like this are done, no doubt. Just something that struck me.
Can you do destruction? I'm asking in earnest. Think about a file system. When something is deleted, it just says "okay, you can use this space now", it doesn't actually write over it (unless you shred, etc). So the question is, if you're not actually destroying, but rearranging, what do you make where the original once was? What's going to over-write that space? This seems more complicated to me than one might originally guess, but I am not in the know on such topics. Someone who gets sub-atomic physics can fill me in.
I think your point is valid, but it is not (just) partying that gets to the rockstars. They travel. A lot. Most play shows everyday, sometimes twice on sundays or for a morning show. Pile on top of that travelling every day to get where you are going and always eating on the go, and you've got a tired, jet-lagged, is it 12-noon or 12-midnight rockstar on your hands.
But you're right, the cocaine doesn't help. My point is that a lot of the rockstars actually do work their asses off to get to where they are, but most will then land, having "made it" and party non-stop. But for those that don't, work is work, either way.
But there are always exceptions. Look at the Rolling Stones. I'm not even sure they should be alive considering the sex,drugs,rocknroll! lifestyle they maintained. But not only are they still touring, they are now actually back in the studio recording new material.
Some game designers might burn out (from all that mountain dew, you know) and others will flourish well into their 70s.
This comment seems unnecessary and strangely placed. FTA:
Here's my thinking, and it is just thinking -- I have no insider knowledge of Apple's plans, I haven't been diving in any Cupertino dumpsters, and nobody who knows the truth has told me a darned thing.
I've got to wonder if it was even mentioned because of the whole Think Secret lawsuit. Are people who are spouting idle rumors and speculation going to feel the pressure to issue out-of-the-blue disclaimers? Sigh. The overly litigious benchmark has long since been exceeded.
see my other post.
cash is little object to a working professional who needs to get things done, and reliably.
Hmm. I wish this were true. I really do. But most of the other professionals I know have to work and make ends meet. Just like any other job. You could say that performance and reliability are a priority, so X company is going to be the most expensive servers and the full support to go with them.. But it's just not realistic. Look at Google; they are a great example of what I am talking about (in terms of modularity, not necessarily price / performance). Cheap(er) components, lots of them. Use redundancy and run them into the ground. One keels over, another takes its place.
Maybe a lot of people (not necessarily you, as you seem to know people in the business) have an idea that it is glamorous and money is no object. Well that is true, but only for a very small percentage of the working musicians. Most of us aren't famous. Logistically, we could not be. So when this product comes out, I scratch my head because I already do all it can do (except linux, I use OSX) for cheaper. At well-run studios and even universities, they complain about the price of a ProTools system. Money is always an object, music is a business just like any other.
I agree about the oxygen8 not having enough keys. However, that's what I have and use, so I wanted to speak from experience. There are other options for more full-size keyboards.
The second to last is full-size and semi-weighted. The last has hammer action! Though it is 600$US.
That's interesting about the Chem. Bros. When was that? When I saw autechre, the used two powerbooks. Crashing, I now concede is the one thing I didn't think of. But it's a risk. And as one who makes electronic music, one I am willing to take.
Use an external keyboard, connected through MIDI, with a shitload of proprietary extensions, and proprietary software to understand them? And when you needed to play it live, you'd carry the keyboard _and_ the computer?
If you'd've clicked the link I gave, you'd see that the keyboard in question (the one I have, the one I use for live gigs) is small, light and connected via USB. And I write my own software. So.
Basically what I'm saying is the equivalent of those who argue that rolling your own system is cheaper / better / etc. than buying an all-in-one. Whether or not I agree with them on that point (since I do use Apple), I think the argument carries some weight here.
Everyone on this site already has a computer. For email and slashdot, who knows. And for cheap or free, they can get decent software and decent hardware to make close-to-professional sounding records. And put on pro-sounding gigs. Someone else who responded to me had the excellent point that large acts putting on live shows would have need for this, as it is designed for such and would almost never crash. Britney's team would probably use something like this. (Maybe not, U2 used to use 2 identical systems running Max/MSP... alas, I cannot find the article now; if you want it I will post it later).
Saying if I'm worried about the cost means that I have no use for it anyway is silly. I have a use for it, but I can do the same, or more, with cheaper and more extensible solutions. So why wouldn't I?
Dude, a toilet could run Linux and it would make the front page of slashdot.
Yes, but in all probability, it wasn't even a software mistake at all. More likely an engineer cued something up incorrectly. Perhaps they had all the tracks for both tracks (they typically do two performances on SNL) in the same session and they simply had the wrong one muted.
And just so you know, ProTools runs on Windows, too.
I have to admit I don't fully understand these all-powerful keyboards. Why not just use a computer? Software synthesis and recording? Better gui (larger real estate for sure), more choices. You could posit portability but I think my powerbook and my oxygen8 is more portable than this sucker. It's cool, it's geeky, but that does not make it worth the cash, especially if I'm just worried about getting things done. It seems to me all-in-one systems are more prone to breakin down. Modularity, right? It is pretty though.
Say I search for my friend's name, and then there's porn thumbnails across the screen.
.... And when can I meet them?!!
What kind of friends do you have?!
I have found that this company offers excellent, dynamic e-solutions for today's market.
So, now, I can make beer that's free as in speech? I'm confused.
yes my friend had an experience similar to this. after recording all digital for a while his band and his producer decided to try analog.
he had always loved tape, where as i have always preferred digital, and what he ran into explains why:
analog tape compresses, distorts and otherwise miscaptures the information being recorded. it just so happens to sound really nice (low end yeah!).
on the other hand, digital (up to a certain point) is all about capturing without coloration. it is not perfectly accurate but it is more accurate than analog. like you said, it just depends on your taste... i really prefer what i played to be what i hear unaltered.
An audio account of the closing can be heard at NPR
pfft! ill listen to it when someone puts it on a 1/4" reel to reel... i like my broadcasts with that analog warmth!
I want a piece of that sexbot action.
he's saying what we're all thinking!
s'cool, i wasnt tryin to call you out or anything....
it was simply that two stories today had many posts which fell into those 2 categories (this one and this one). a few other posters said what you said and i just wanted to point out that i dont really think it was all that important. sorry for getting bothered about it; thanks for not jumpin at me
you know it seems theres 2 common responses to new tech here on the dot which are:
-been done. here and here by this guy and that girl.
OR
-this will never be done; this is a long way off, its all vaporware.
is it me or doesnt it seem like the only time we can have a discussion without these comments is when a new tech that was previously announced comes out *that* day.
come on! this is the whole point of a community and a forum: discussion, exchange of ideas! so what if its been done before. so what if thin client computing is 10 years off (or will never be adopted) either way its still an interesting topic. furthermore, it isnt as if most story submitters claim "brand new!!" or "coming tomorrow!"...
man lets just talk and stop taking everything so damn seriously!