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Scalable Enterprise Buzzword Solutions

prostoalex writes "Need a scalable enterprise solution? You're in luck, as those three buzzwords have become so prominent in the technology industry, that they can describe pretty much anything, according to Associated Press. The article later goes on to blame Microsoft and Apple for 'dumbing down' the product descriptions in order to appeal to non-tech-savvy audiences. 'High-tech companies don't release products anymore, they provide solutions. And those solutions don't simply run a program or play a song. Instead, they enable experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive', the AP article states."

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  1. Dumbing down product descriptions? by danamania · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple would never do that, not with Xserves*

    * Do not eat Xserve.

    1. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why didn't they ever say "do not eat computer"? After all it is an apple.

    2. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the company's name, so I guess Apple will be swallowed by the market?!

    3. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The market can't swallow the Apple. The market is going out the Windows. And it's all happening while the Sun's down, too.

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      Let your Apple pies rest on the edge of Windows, and let the Sun keep them warm.

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      The Sun was pretty hot that day, so I close my Windows and ate an Apple.

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      Etc.

    4. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      Apple would never do that, not with Xserves*

      * Do not eat Xserve.

      I see you have that First Post solution enhancing your lifestyle, congratulations.

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    5. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, if you look at the bottom of the page on the iPod Shuffle, it says...

      2. Do not eat iPod shuffle.
    6. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord... I hadn't seen that page before.

      Only Apple could make out that adding a basic shuffle feature to a media player would be some kind of REVOLUTIONARY INNOVATION that will CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

      And take three pages of hyper-enthusiastic prose to do so.

    7. Re:Dumbing down product descriptions? by Ciaran_H · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that the same shuffle feature was in the iPod anyway.

      I guess the main advantage would be that it plugs into the USB port directly instead of needing a cable.

  2. Solutions replaced products long ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Solutions replaced products long ago - at least 5 years, anyway. Were you in a hole in 1999 during the dot com IPO craze?

    1. Re:Solutions replaced products long ago by Sique · · Score: 4, Funny

      I remember an advertisement selling "Your Problem - Our Solution" about 20 years ago. It was so abundant and the words "Your problem" and "Our solution" were aligned somewhat strange in the design, so we were always forced to read "Our Solution - Your Problem".

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    2. Re:Solutions replaced products long ago by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Interesting formula creeps in:

      Profit = Your Problem - Our Solution.

      So what this means is that

      Your Problem = Profit - Our Solution

      and

      Our Solution = Profit - Your Problem

      No matter which way you look at it, this thing called Our Solution constantly has to be subtracted from something to generate Profit.

      What this also means is that the more of Your Problem there is the more is our Profit as long as we do not provide Our Solution that is [big] enough to equal to Your Problem. Because if Your Problem = Our Solution, our Profit = 0.

    3. Re:Solutions replaced products long ago by Sepper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No matter which way you look at it, this thing called Our Solution constantly has to be subtracted from something to generate Profit.

      Not quite. If we can convince your CEO that you have a problem, when you actually have none, then:

      Our Solution = Profit

      And THAT is 50% of why Buzzwords exists...

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  3. Need more buzzwords? by IO+ERROR · · Score: 4, Informative
    My favorite: Web Economy Bullshit Generator
    Dilbert-inspired: The Buzzword Generator
    Yet Another Buzzword Generator

    And there are many, many more buzzword generators out there, implemented using open-architected dynamic algorithms by organic radical policies...

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    1. Re:Need more buzzwords? by The+Hobo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Two words:

      Bullshit Bingo

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    2. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The webshit generator gave me: "matrix sexy platforms". Is there a red-state version instead? (W-a-tron?) Otherwise it needs a warning sticker.

    3. Re:Need more buzzwords? by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 5, Funny

      I once heard of a company that used the following as their mission statement. You might as well just excerpt theirs. No kidding.

      (company) leverages core skillsets and world-class team synergy through (product) to provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled e-business application product suite e-solution architectures that accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the e-readiness capabilities of their e-commerce production environments across the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and taking them to the next level.

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    4. Re:Need more buzzwords? by dedeman · · Score: 1

      Did you forget a few commas per chance?

    5. Re:Need more buzzwords? by hpgoh · · Score: 1

      And once you're done with the buzzword generator, you can run it back through The Wonderful Wankometer.

    6. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      click on slashdot in the headline munger at:
      http://www.hardisun.com/cgi-bin/hl.cgi

    7. Re:Need more buzzwords? by HermanAB · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I got this one from the Dogbert generator: "Organised zero administration hit-squad"

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    8. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Malek+the+Damned · · Score: 1

      Eyeballs.... bleeding....

      For the love of all that's holy, tell me you're not serious.

    9. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny
      I ported this from an unattributed VM REXX program dating back to 8/10/1982. The quoted mission statement could have been cut right from its output.

      This is perl program, so just grab it down, read through it to make sure I don't rm -rf / and stuff, and have fun!

      Foggy.txt

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

    10. Re:Need more buzzwords? by deblau · · Score: 1
      Translation: Our guys are smart. They make software. For the Interweb. It sells your crap to the sheeple. It also makes your enemies smell bad. Stinky enemies.

      Now, was that so hard?

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    11. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you forget a few commas per chance?

      It doesn't look like any commas are missing, to me. Why don't you point out what grammatical errors you've spotted that require a comma to correct?

    12. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really cannot understand why people write this shit and how those who make decisions can be fooled by this buzzword-talk.

      If I would be buying something (big enough) I would ask for companies to tell why their product is superrior to others (and give the list of other products).

    13. Re:Need more buzzwords? by lovebyte · · Score: 1

      I used to have a bullshit bingo similar to this one except that it generated a matrix made from a list of randomly chosen bullshit phrases. Like this we could go to meetings each with a different sheet. It's trivial to do in javascript for instance.

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      I'll do it for cheesy poofs.

    14. Re:Need more buzzwords? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. = orchestrate real-time mindshare

    15. Re:Need more buzzwords? by shaka · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except that it actually is a joke. The quote is from The GNAA.

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    16. Re:Need more buzzwords? by tstevens · · Score: 1

      The dynamic version is here:
      http://www.perkigoth.com/home/kermit/stuff/ bullshi tbingo/

    17. Re:Need more buzzwords? by frankie · · Score: 1
      You left out "proactive" though.
      Network Executive: We at the network want a dog with attitude. He's edgy. You've heard the expression "Let's get busy"? Well, this is a dog who gets biz-ay; consistently and thoroughly.
      Krusty: So he's proactive?
      Executive: Oh, God yes! We're talking about a totally outrageous paradigm.
      Writer: Excuse me, but "proactive" and "paradigm"? Aren't those just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important? Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that... I'm fired aren't I?
    18. Re:Need more buzzwords? by 0x0000 · · Score: 1

      Hey, I like it!

      Here's a minimally CGI enabled version: foggy_cgi.txt

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    19. Re:Need more buzzwords? by 0x0000 · · Score: 1

      Corporate "bad stuff" filter caught it...

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  4. Marketing has won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn them.

  5. IP laws. by Overand · · Score: 1

    Hey, at least most of the buzzwords can't get trademarked or patented, so we can feel free to apply the dynamic and scalable application envyronment moniker to our open source SOLUTIONS without being sued... er... litigated against.

    1. Re:IP laws. by Gherald · · Score: 4, Funny

      > without being sued... er... litigated against.

      Don't you mean "without other companies leveraging their intellectual property at our expense" ?

    2. Re:IP laws. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the complete sentence needs rewording:

      The embarrasment is limited by the fact that a considerably large fraction of the buzzwords can safely assumed to not exhibit the possibility of getting trademarked or patented, which gives us the ability to leverage the freedom to provide applications of the dynamic and scalable application envyronment moniker to our open source SOLUTIONS without other companies leveraging their intellectual property at our expense.

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  6. Favorite Buzzword by Ian+Action · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't anyone use my favorite buzzword anymore, "Blast Processing". It's Action Packed!

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  7. Dumbing down? by mOoZik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I call it being specific. Does it matter to you if a power supply is called a power cube or a consumer energy solution? Seriously though, the ones that provide "solutions" are selling custom products and appropriate services, so it would be difficult to explicitly state what it is that they sell, while the consumer market is uber-specific. MS would not sell you a "solution," at least not in the same sense that it would sell a giant multinational a data management solution. Or something like that.

    1. Re:Dumbing down? by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does it matter to you if a power supply is called a power cube or a consumer energy solution?

      Yes, because if I read an ad for a "consumer energy solution", I have no idea what it is. How is that being specific?

      Is it a battery pack? Is it a gasoline powered generator? Is it some miniature fusion reactor that I can put in my basement and "solve" my "energy problem" (eg: Paying my utility bills...)? Even "Power Cube" is horrible. Sounds like a game console. "Desktop computer power supply." That's specific - and rather non-techical!

      (I know your post was just an example, but so was mine!)
      =Smidge=

    2. Re:Dumbing down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Desktop computer power supply

      That's no good either, your same questions of "is it a battery pack, is it a gasoline powered generator?" still apply.

      How about 240V AC to 12V DC filtered step down transformer rated at 500mA?

      _THAT_ would be specific. But rather cumbersome.
      So we call it a power supply, even though that's rather vague.

    3. Re:Dumbing down? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you get your power supplies from, but mine is capable of drawing (and putting out) quite a bit more than 0.5 Amps... so I think you're getting too specific!

      =Smidge=

    4. Re:Dumbing down? by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Because it's for people who DON'T CARE if it's a gasoline powered generator, or a fusion reactor. Their problem is they need power. The power solution gives them power. If they get the power, and they're willing to pay what the buzzworder asks, they don't give a fuck what's under the hood.

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    5. Re:Dumbing down? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yeah ... you sell the solution and let the little people work out the details.

      I've been on more than one project where the high-end technical architecture was decided at the golf course -- after which, half the little people were burned by trying to make it all work, and the other half were burned by saying it wouldn't work. Nobody thought to blame the bloody golfer.

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    6. Re:Dumbing down? by fishbot · · Score: 1

      Heh! I'm pretty sure that if someone bought a 'power solution' for the server room based on marketting schpiel and it turned out to be a coal powered turbine they'd be pretty pissed!

  8. tech marketing words getting scrutiny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ryan Donovan, a Hewlett-Packard Co. public relations director, concedes that terms like "data migration" and "optimizes agility" - both of which are found in the company's press materials - might confuse average readers. But the company uses those phrases in documents intended for technology experts and executives, he says.

    1. Re:tech marketing words getting scrutiny by bobscealy · · Score: 1

      I recall when I first came out of high school and joined an IT company who were paying my way through uni - I thought that I must seriously be missing something when I was in meetings and managers would refer to the leveraging of the e-enabling sector. It took me at least a year before I realised that each manager was just repeating what the one above them said, and by the time it had filtered down to me I was looking for meaning where there was none.

    2. Re:tech marketing words getting scrutiny by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      hmmm...data migration is not really a buzzword.

      It means move data from one system to another or one format to another - migrating (moving from one place to another) the data - data migration.

      it's nothing like leveraging best-of-breed scalable enterprise solutions.

      Which I think translates to "uses big good stuff"

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    3. Re:tech marketing words getting scrutiny by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      leveraging best-of-breed scalable enterprise solutions

      I think that means

      "We're not building everything from scratch here"(leveragin), we've got some "powerful and stable"(enterprise) stuff prebuilt that "we can customise"(solution) to "reduce the development time"(leveragin). And our system is "developed with a growth path so you don't have troubles if you are successful and the scope of your operations increases beyond your current specified requirements"(scalable)"

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  9. You are being assimilated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are being assimilated.

  10. IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    was the world's first "solutions" company. The big-iron dinosaurs -- the DECs, the Amdahls, the Univacs -- were all talking about "solutions" long before Microsoft and Apple.

    All in all, a stupid article from a moron too lazy to do any research.

    1. Re:IBM... by teneighty · · Score: 1

      All in all, a stupid article from a moron too lazy to do any research.


      You mean people like the target customers of these companies?
    2. Re:IBM... by asr_man · · Score: 1
      a stupid article from a moron too lazy to do any research.
      How fitting that it be critiqued in a (sometimes) stupid forum by morons too lazy to do any reading. Myself included. :-)
    3. Re:IBM... by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Okay, so /he/ is "a moron"... but the PHB who takes the bait after seeing a mission statement 'come up with' using one of those buzzword-generators isn't? Pah!

    4. Re:IBM... by Darkangael · · Score: 0

      Who cares that it has been done before ages ago by one company. This article is clearly about the fact that it is now being done to the point that it is no longer the I.T. industry, it's now the B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. Something that "we" all realise, but many may not.

    5. Re:IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All in all, a stupid article from a moron too lazy to do any research

      Nooo, a virtual online reference increasing an end user's proactive synergistic potential, while utilizing multi-faceted resources from many disparate regoins. :)

    6. Re:IBM... by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Funny
      Microsoft learned most of their tricks from IBM, including FUD which was an IBM invention that Microsoft perfected. Microsoft in some ways is in the same situation as we are in the united states. They cant do *anything* without being critisized.

      Not to say they are without blame -- I remember the pure horror the first time I used Visual Studio .NET and found that it opens not "Project" files like VS6 but "Solution" files.

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    7. Re:IBM... by plumby · · Score: 1

      And the word "solutions" is certainly not just an IT thing. There's an occasional section in Private Eye (a UK satirical magazine) that features various "solutions". Last week there was one that went something along the lines of "Water Distribution Solutions", meaning hosepipes.

    8. Re:IBM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft in some ways is in the same situation as we are in the united states. They cant do *anything* without being critisized.

      Nonsense. For example, I don't hear many people complaining about the evil imperialistic Americans giving all that aid to the victims of the recent tsunami.

      The USA gets criticised fairly when it tramples on people's human rights, and it gets criticised unfairly when it defends itself against aggression. Sometimes the two are combined, as in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. But it does not get criticised when it does things that are clearly and unambiguously right. You Yanks are getting paranoid...

  11. Buzzword Fun by tuxter · · Score: 1

    try here http://www.artifex.org/~myang/fun/bingo.html or here http://pages.eidosnet.co.uk/johnnymoped/funcorner/ funcornerpageswithnorealpurpose/funcorner_buzzword .html

  12. My favorite is 'leverage' by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1

    This COO we had loved the word 'leverage', sure enough, after 4 or 5 months since he has been in the company we were 'leveraging' everything, the web, the infrastructure, resourses. You name it - we could 'leverage' it. Then he sold the company to a competitor, which left 50% of employees on the street and moved on to a new adventure. I guess he 'leveraged' us after all. But that is a different story.

    1. Re:My favorite is 'leverage' by jonadab · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, but what do you want to leverage? Why, solutions, of course. What kind
      of solutions? Enterprise solutions, obviously. And why do you want to
      leverage these enterprise solutions? In order to set the company on
      a critical path to achieve total quality, monetize the bottom line, and
      raise the bar and set the standard for the entire industry, of course. Ah,
      but here's the real question: *how* do you leverage the enterprise solutions
      and set the company on a critical path to do those things? You need a
      gameplan, a gameplan to get everyone on the same page going forward in a
      fault-tollerant and robust expectations paradigm, that's how, because only
      with that kind of dynamic will you really out-compete the competition in the
      new ecconomy. So, we need to revisit our objectives and reorient our goals
      so that we -- all of us -- can accomplish this vision, this future, indeed,
      this destiny. Everyone has to participate in the process, because you can't
      meet the kits if you don't go to St. Ives...

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    2. Re:My favorite is 'leverage' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *eyes glaze over and head explodes*

    3. Re:My favorite is 'leverage' by pjt33 · · Score: 1
      Everyone has to participate in the process, because you can't meet the kits if you don't go to St. Ives...
      That's fine: I'm allergic to cats, anyway.
    4. Re:My favorite is 'leverage' by ab762 · · Score: 1

      Leverage once meant "buy with borrowed money" and was a specific financial strategy. Now, it's a meaningless piece of management-speak.

    5. Re:My favorite is 'leverage' by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > > Everyone has to participate in the process, because
      > > you can't meet the kits if you don't go to St. Ives...
      >
      > That's fine: I'm allergic to cats, anyway.

      This attitude is dangerous for the company. If you don't capitalize on your
      action opportunity to participate in the process, you won't be involved in
      the peer-to-peer issues collaboration eccosystem. By defaulting on your
      responsibility to be a team player, you undermine the holistic wellness of
      your department and of the company. I've taken the liberty of scheduling
      you some meetings with the process participation action group promotion
      committee, so that you can review your options with them.

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  13. For high end computing and low end computing by BWJones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article later goes on to blame Microsoft and Apple for 'dumbing down' the product descriptions in order to appeal to non-tech-savvy audiences. 'High-tech companies don't release products anymore, they provide solutions. And those solutions don't simply run a program or play a song. Instead, they enable experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive'

    It's about flexibility. Well, I started by using OS X simply because it was a more productive OS environment than IRIX, Solaris, Windows or yes, Linux. I could use one environment to run specific scientific code, run Office and Photoshop along with serving up webpages and other high end tasks including cluster computing all in one environment that allowed me to replace an SGI, and a Windows machine with one OS X box. The fact that I could also use iTunes, iPhoto, iDVD etc....etc....etc....allows me to also use them at home and suggest OS X running Macintosh systems for my family who knows very little about computers. If Apple can do that and market to both the high end and the low end with one solution, more power to them.

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    1. Re:For high end computing and low end computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could use one environment to run ... cluster computing all in one environment that allowed me to replace an SGI, and a Windows machine with one OS X box. a cluster one computer does not make :P

    2. Re:For high end computing and low end computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You must be kidding. What is your job description which requires you to run cluster computing, Office, Photoshop, admin a web server, perform scientific computing, iTunes, iDVD, and iPhoto. I am unaware of any job with these requirements.

      I see. You're unemployed--listens to music and looks at pictures.

    3. Re:For high end computing and low end computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:For high end computing and low end computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do all of that. It's because I own my own ISP and have no other technical employees. Some of us actually do have a very broad job description.

      Also add-in managine three dozen cisco routers, managing firewalls, VoIP systems, voice mail systems, machine monitoring, and about a dozen other things, and you'll see why I'm so tired and having made a penny in over 8 years. Yes I'm fed-up and ready to do something where I do the samething every day so I can start making some money rather than spending my entire life learning new things.

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  15. Don't blame this on Microsoft by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the work of IBM and the rest of the "services" oriented consultants. KPMG, Anderson, etc. A group of highly paid morons.

    But in the long run, services is actually the driving force in computing. Products are fine, but upon those products is a whole ecology of companies providing support, enhancement, and integration of those products, tailored for each individual company.

    In fact, this is what makes Open Source software so attractive. It sure as hell isn't good to be the company developing the software, but it is really good to be a service provider using that software. No longer do you need to pay for the software, you only need to pay for support.

    I guess this could be a double edged sword for customers, though. It seems that there would be an incentive to keep OSS as obtuse and inscrutable as possible to maximize support income. This obviously wouldn't happen with a commercial product that has to prove its worth by being easier to use and generally better than the equivalent OSS package, just to compete.

    1. Re:Don't blame this on Microsoft by albn · · Score: 1

      I did not RTFA, but even if it is Microsoft, Apple, Open Source or whatever company/individual selling you a product will tout it with tried and tired industry buzzwords that make you want to puke.

      It seems to me if somebody needs to feel important or needs to say a product is better than another no matter what it does is riddled with these pheases that simply drown the real meaning of the product being sold.

      Using Google with the buzzwords I got:

      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=scalabl e+ solutions

      There you will see a plethora of people saying the same things. It makes me wish these words were either outlawed or have a "bullshit free" version of the items(s) people are trying to sell you. I bet more people will be prone to actually buy it.

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    2. Re:Don't blame this on Microsoft by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the work of IBM and the rest of the "services" oriented consultants. KPMG, Anderson, etc. A group of highly paid morons.

      Well, as one of those ... um, morons ... I can tell you that the folks you really want to blame are the folks who actually buy the IT and use it. If they had serious IT talent in house, or had their other process/business experts actually working with those folks - they wouldn't need all of us moronic consultants. Of course, the people who need their IT problems solved (um... hence the term "solution"), rarely have the clout to cause the in-house IT shop to be expanded, and even if they could, they'd chop those people right back off once most of the heavy lifting was done.

      Anyway, as long as decent-sized firms need business problems solved with IT, somebody will have to do the work. To the extent that no in-house IT shop can keep the place running and handle large implementations of new tools, software, data, infrastructure... it's us morons to the rescue. And we have to live gig to gig, which means we're not getting paid for 40 solid hours of work every week of the year. We have to spend time finding new work, doing paperwork, and other things that make our actual customer-facing time as expensive as it is.

      Incidentally, we don't use the term "solution" when we're talking about Excel or Word (well, not usually). That language comes out in the context of larger scale (and "scalable," yes) things we bolt together out of the higher-end products.

      Now, I can't comment on which came first (IT's use of the term, vs what follows), but if you talk to the other operations people in a large company, you'll hear about "waste management solutions," "marketing solutions," "entryway security solutions," "fire supression solutions," and so on. Don't succumb to slashdot tunnel vision on this one!

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    3. Re:Don't blame this on Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess this could be a double edged sword for customers, though. It seems that there would be an incentive to keep OSS as obtuse and inscrutable as possible to maximize support income.

      Eventually, a savvy customer will hire a couple of contractors to un-obtusify the product. It being open source, that shoudn't be a problem. A really savvy customer will then spawn off a company to sell support for their better version of the product, killing the original company's revenues.

    4. Re:Don't blame this on Microsoft by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Plus, some open source developers might be dissatisfied enough to fork the code and try to improve things. This has (for slightly different reasons) happened to XFree86 a while ago. By now, a lot of distributions have switched.

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  16. Good article by Killswitch1968 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nice to see an article that thinks outside the box into new paradigms and synergies.

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  17. Not as good as you think by Neoporcupine · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I hear these buzz words I immediately assume that whatever the hell they are selling is not as good as the words may lead you to think. They're saying something but they are hiding something. Damned weasels.

    Give me benchmarks! Give me comparisons!

    1. Re:Not as good as you think by BCW2 · · Score: 1

      Buzz words = pure crappola. Kind of like the convoluted crap out of Washington, try to read any bill enacted by Congress( of course writing it like that guarantees every lawyer perpetual employment translating it to English). Thats where this started, then the marketing morons got their hands on it and it got a hundered times worse in ten years. It really is a contest to see who can use the most words to say the least.

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    2. Re:Not as good as you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Don't ask the FreeBSD zealots for comparisons or benchmarks. No sir... their crap is:

      more scalable, "engineered", more stable, secure, best tcp/ip stack, fastest, bestest, most consistient, cleaner, more portable, better under load, better when you can't measure it (Heisenberg?), not just throw together, etc etc crap crap blah blah.

      But ask for a single benchmark and you're a troll.

      Amazing.

    3. Re:Not as good as you think by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      Actually, from my experience, its more a quest to try and write a law to which nobody can twist the text on in order to cheat the system.

      In the words of Professor Slagle, "Laws can be simple, or they can be fair, but they cannot be both simple AND fair."

      This is because the world is not simple either.

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    4. Re:Not as good as you think by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, there are still people like this. But the great majority of decision makers (to add some more buzzwords) don't think like that. That is why there still buzzword marketing and false advertyzing that let nobody compete by real features.

    5. Re:Not as good as you think by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The actual point of the law reference was that it's a conflict of interest for lawyers to write laws, that they and their peers have to interpret. Congress should be given an eigth grade dictionary and not allowed to use any word not in it.

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    6. Re:Not as good as you think by SunFan · · Score: 1

      Give me benchmarks! Give me comparisons!

      The top vendors are more-or-less the same in the benchmarks, give or take a little. The differences are regarding the long-term stability of the platform, whether their support is any good, and whether there are enough non-morons available to get things running. And it is unlikely the non-morons would get anywhere close to the benchmark scores, anyway (who really can afford several racks of disk arrays with gigabytes of cache and multiple parallel data channels to the servers all configured with no redundancy?).

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    7. Re:Not as good as you think by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      But ask for a single benchmark and you're a troll.

      Benchmarks are somewhere around 50 percentile.
      I'd guess that FreeBSD is interested in 99th percentile (or some higher number of nines), which would be compromised by striving for higher benchmark scores.

    8. Re:Not as good as you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you talking about?

    9. Re:Not as good as you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you see the irony in the BSD zealots always spouting off about being more secure and stable and "engineered" and consistent and cleaner, etc. than Linux (ie. mostly unmeansurable, intangible things) while at the same time getting on their high horses and calling blue murder about not having taken into account the flight of the african swallow, or the results being somehow "meaningless" when performing benchmarks that shed their operating system in a bad light.

    10. Re:Not as good as you think by Thunderstruck · · Score: 1

      How about, at the very least, a high-school disctionary. Or is the whole point to dumb-down the entire nation, laws and all?

      I guess I don't see the conflict of interest. Lawyers are trained to be able to write in such a way that the text, when read, can have only that meaning that was intended. Otherwise you get laws like "Pay your fair share of taxes" or "No acting suspiciously in an airport."

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    11. Re:Not as good as you think by XorNand · · Score: 1

      Congress is writting the laws of the land and you want to handicap the words they can use? Hey man, each and every word in the OED has a specific meaning--that's why they're spelled differently. Why should a congressman be forced to use word X when what he is really trying to convey is better expressed with word Y? Don't know what word Y means? Grab a dictionary a learn something new that day.

      Distilling a language down to accomidate the lowest common denominator is asinine. It just eventually makes us all illiterate.

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    12. Re:Not as good as you think by BCW2 · · Score: 0

      Trust me, the NEA has done more to dumb down the Nation over the last forty years than anyone else. When I was in public school (60's-70's) all high school teachers had a degree in what they taught and a minor in Education. Today they have a degree in Education and maybe a minor in something close to what they teach. That is what the NEA sold to the dummies in DC and every state Capital in the country. My Mom taught for 20 years and my Dad was a Proffessor for 30.

      I have no problem with a 12th grade dictionary for that purpose. The problem is still the conflict of intrest between lawyers and Congress. A person should not have to hire a lawyer to interpret a law. It should be readable and understandable to the average citizen. Legaleze is a bastardized language to make lawyers seem special.

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  18. iWon sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a link to a site that doesn't suck?

    1. Re:iWon sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. An interview with the man behind it all by Fjornir · · Score: 1

    An interview Frank Lingua of Dissembling Associates

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  20. So what by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Engineers don't have the money and don't make the buying decisions, so there is no need to wrap products up in geek-appeal.

    To sell anything, you have to pitch the product to the person with the signing power. If your target customers are six year old girls you paint it pink and sparkly. If your target customer is a CEO/CIO + board of directors then you dress it up with buzzwords and phrases. Technical details are stuff these folk don't understand add confusion.

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    1. Re:So what by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, in other words, the target audience, the CEO/CIO/board of directors, is an audience that wants to be blown over with meaningless bullshit.

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    2. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly why Linux doesn't sell well to existing Windows users. Too much technical BS, and not enough buzzwords and window dressing.

    3. Re:So what by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Engineers don't have the money and don't make the buying decisions,"

      Yes they do, because today's world of scalable enterprise solutions everybody is an engineer! Just ask your local web engineer.

    4. Re:So what by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So, in other words, the target audience, the CEO/CIO/board of directors, is an audience that wants to be blown over with meaningless bullshit.

      I am sure they, along with 99% of society, will give more points for style and effort over negative geek whine, such as yours, any day of the week. Now would be a good time to assess your place in the food chain and contemplate whether it is a good idea to go around advertising your lack of progress.

    5. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To sell anything, you have to pitch the product to the person with the signing power. If your target customers are six year old girls you paint it pink and sparkly. If your target customer is a CEO/CIO + board of directors then you dress it up with buzzwords and phrases. Technical details are stuff these folk don't understand add confusion.

      I think pink and sparkly would work with some CEOs. It certainly would work with the marketing execs I know.

    6. Re:So what by Darkangael · · Score: 0

      Or to assassinate all PHB's, once and for (the good of) all.

    7. Re:So what by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Correct. The world is governed by bullshit.

      First order of business for a CEO/CIO/board is to not make any decisions that will end up getting your ass fired.

      Buying product that is dressed up with warm fuzzy sound-bites is appealing. Geek-talk sound very risky.

      "Synergetic integration" sounds nice and sounds like a good decision.

      "Client server system using a fibre optic backbone an V6 IP stacks" sounds pretty risky. When something goes wrong, the people that the decision makers report to (board/stock holders/...) will think the person took unnecessary risks, even if these descriptions are of exactly the same product/service.

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    8. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Bingo! You got it in one.

      Seriously, a prime requirement of one product I designed was that it have 'lots of flashing lights to impress the suits'. Sure enough, that's what impressed the suits. A few months later the company went toes up, taking lots of the suits' (and my wages) money with it.

      Feed the suits the buzz and they don't pick up that the company is f****d.

      Unfortunately I didn't admit to myself early enough that the company was dead. I foolishly believed what the owner told me. Here's some good advice. If any employer is even a single day late with your pay packet, tell them immediately. If the error is not fixd by the next day hand in a resignation IMMEDIATELY irrespective of what bullshit they tell you.

      No prospective employer (worth working for) will hold it against you for quitting when you didn't get paid.

    9. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At SBC, clerks who copy down instructions from the network planners and type them into the web-based applets for automated build are called "engineers."

      So help me Bob.

    10. Re:So what by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Most, if not all "web engineers" are jumped-up copy writers with no technical knowlege or skill, and even less design ability.

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    11. Re:So what by johannesg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      While this is true to a certain extent, at least where I work the engineers do check the products out before they are bought. I have been asked numerous times to evaluate specific products to find the one most suitable for a specific job or project. And true, I do not make the final decision, but I would have been very surprised if any of those hadn't gone with the recommended product.

      And if there is anything that causes me not to recommend a product, it is being unable to find decent information on the web. You know, stuff like pricing, licensing conditions, technical capabilities, limitations, etc. Or even simply what a product is supposed to do for you!

      Example: I never did find out what "Together/J" does, how much it costs, or even who makes it with any degree of certainty. The name is just too generic (try googling for it), and Borland (?) doesn't want you to know about it anyway. But it probably enables collabarative scalable enterprise solutions, or something... Oh, and I think it was using that kiss-of-death statement: "call for pricing details". In my mind that translates into "price has at least five digits", which is usually way too expensive. Besides, I want to make the initial investigation from the comfort of my desk, without picking up a trail of bloodsucking sales people calling me back twice a week to learn about my decision...

      But really, too many companies make it too hard to learn about their products. Engineers _do_ read those pages, and _do_ make buying recommendations, and managers _DO_ listen to those!

    12. Re:So what by Com2Kid · · Score: 1

      Together/J looks like a fancy overblown UML modeler that works across networks and can automatically scan through codebases to generate appropriate OOa diagrams of an application, as well as supporting Design Patterns, version control, and some other goodies.

      Oddly enough their "Designer" edition does not support Design Patterns! Doh!

    13. Re:So what by mr.scoot · · Score: 1

      Combine the two. Put the six year olds in charge of the target market corps. Pink sparkly buzzwords!

      The next rev of the XServe will come in pink, silver, aqua, and ice. The "Better" configuration will have faster processors, larger drives, and a sparkle finish. The "Best" config will be bundled with a special collector's edition "American Girl" CEO doll with Apple logo outfit.

    14. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing, actually... I've worked for a company that sells "business continuity" and "scalable enterprise solutions".

      Couple of years back all the marketing materials - including the web pages - were full of that kind of crap. But then came along the new webmaster, who gradually got rid of the most obvious of the rubbish. We still sell buzzwords, but now one might decipher the web thingy with one reading.

      At one point we had this guy as a marketing manager. He used to call bulshit on old and useless stuff on the web pages and people would listen. But he was totally immune to buzzwords and never said anything about 'em (if I remember correctly).

    15. Re:So what by aurispector · · Score: 1

      You are right about the BS. I would only add that much of the BS is designed to hide another agenda.

      I worked for a company that used everything as an excuse or cover for the fact that they wanted to cut payroll and make everybody work longer hours.

      This is true in politics as well as business.

      If the words coming out of people's mouths don't describe what is happening on the ground, make sure you keep your orifices well lubricated.

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    16. Re:So what by Spunk · · Score: 1

      How about a Sales Engineer? I see that all the time.

  21. Cluetrain Manifest, since 1999 by hangel · · Score: 1
  22. Blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Well apparently the word 'blog' is just about universally hated:
    Even blog, a fusing of "Web" and "log" that refers to online diaries, made Lake Superior State University's annual list of words that should be banished.
    From LSSU's webpage:
    BLOG - and its variations, including blogger, blogged, blogging, blogosphere. Many who nominated it were unsure of the meaning. Sounds like something your mother would slap you for saying. "Sounds like a Viking's drink that's better than grog, or a technique to kill a frog." Teri Vaughn, Anaheim, Calif. "Maybe it's something that would be stuck in my toilet." - Adrian Whittaker, Dundalk, Ontario. "I think the words 'journal' and 'diary' need to come back." - T. J. Allen, Shreveport, La.
    1. Re:Blog by TPIRman · · Score: 1

      When the authorities at Lake Superior State University have something to say, I sit up and listen!

  23. Bill Hicks Had It Right. by colonslashslash · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "If any of you here are in advertising or marketing..... kill yourselves."

    I have to "interface" with the AdExecs on a regular basis at work, and they are so god damn annoying. Always sitting around "doing lunch" whilst creating "PowerPoints" to present to the upper-echelons of management, showing how they have "factored-in" their latest and greatest "thinking outside-of-the-box".

    Makes me so enraged I want to throw up and shoot them at the same time. Grrr.

    I guess what really pisses me off is the fact that they get paid to do the same basic job I do. Bullshit the bosses ;)

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    1. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by colonslashslash · · Score: 1
      [edit]
      I guess what really pisses me off is the fact that they get paid more to do the same basic job I do. Bullshit the bosses ;)
      [/edit]

      P.S. I'd like to welcome our new empowering business-focused fresh-thinking up-sized buzzword overlords.

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    2. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by philkerr · · Score: 1
      Makes me so enraged I want to throw up and shoot them at the same time.

      Don't thow up at the same time as shooting, it will spoil your aim.

    3. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to get all your ducks in a row .. then you put the pedal to the metal. Bwahahaha!

    4. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by 0x20 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...unless he can throw up bullets.

    5. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This jealousy has to stop right here and now. As an advertising/marketing person, I have to say that you really have no idea what goes on in our world. While I can't say much for them factoring in their latest thinking outside the box scheme (which is what they get paid to do, and figuring out new ways to market the company that haven't been done before is actually a good thing believe it or not), I can easily see you don't see the purpose of our jobs.

      While you think we're piddling around "doing lunch" and creating powerpoints, what you don't realize is that "doing lunch" lets us network and build relationships with sponsors and partners, which enables the company to get better prices, and get better deals with their marketing (saving money). The powerpoints, while a crutch to a true presentation, are often a convenient way to present new ideas to upper management, and a good way to get their approval to go ahead with the next campaign.

      If you think marketing is useless, just recognize the fact that the product you so lovingly code wouldn't get out the door if it wasn't for marketing letting people know your product exists.

      Remember, in any profession there are skilled people, and bullshitters, and that includes marketing/advertising. Thats fine if you want to pretend to be cool and hate us, but you don't know exactly what it is we do, and you should probably learn a bit about it before you go ahead and criticize us. Its not like we're sitting there saying all coders should kill themselves.

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    6. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Com2Kid · · Score: 1
      • While you think we're piddling around "doing lunch" and creating powerpoints, what you don't realize is that "doing lunch" lets us network and build relationships with sponsors and partners, which enables the company to get better prices, and get better deals with their marketing (saving money).


      You know how programmers would do it?

      Dude1: So whats the lowest you can sell us the product at in x bulk quantity?

      Dude2: (lists a price)

      End of conversation. Dude2 (or dudette, which ever) would honestly quote the lowest price that his/her company could make a profit selling at, Dude1 would mark it down on offers sheet and move on.

      Money would be saved on lunch.

      Bullshit would be avoided.

      Work would get done.

      And all you marketing types would be out of a job.

      *sigh*
    7. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      And you would be out of a job as well once the company went under. You don't get rich by giving people the absolute lowest rate you can. You get wiped out of the market.

      What I find so funny is that you're so quick to criticize us, who are firmly based in reality, when you're off in a delusional fantasy world. The reality is, in order for companies to be profitable, they need to maximize profit. Your methodology doesn't do this in the least bit, which is why you will probably never make it to management.

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    8. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what's the difference between you and Com2Kid? What it simply boils down to is that Com2Kid has faith in humanity.

    9. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by bit01 · · Score: 1

      ... in order for companies to be profitable, they need to maximize profit ...

      I don't think you said what you meant to say.

      In any case 90% of modern mass market (TV) advertising is an arms race to get mind share, not about informing the customer. Think Coca-Cola or Ford. Everybody loses except the marketing industry (the arms dealers) and as such it is largely parasitic. Advertising and marketing in other media is less parasitic but it's not all roses either.

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    10. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      I worked for one company supplying travel services on a big scale. A sales 'executive' sold the idea to Wal*Mart without any reference to the tekkies. His idea (initially) would have meant installing a 45Mb pipe across the Atlantic and any profit on actual bookings would have been more than eaten up by simple queries. We gave him the hard facts and I can still hear him wailing: "But I've already sold the system!"

      I can see the point behind marketing (my sister-in-law is a marketing powerhouse) and obviously none of us would survive without sales, but there is so much bullshit associated with sales and marketing, so much nonsense made up without reference to the technical details that anybody with even the smallest amount of technical understanding is rightly dismissive of most of what come out of S & M depts., IMHO.

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    11. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by dkf · · Score: 1
      Makes me so enraged I want to throw up and shoot them at the same time.
      That'd be projectile vomiting, I presume?
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    12. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by vandemar · · Score: 1

      "Yoga Fire."
      "Yoga Fire."
      "Yoga Flame!"

    13. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Twanfox · · Score: 1

      In order for a company to sell to me, they had better present a product that:

      - Does what it says. I cannot tell you how pissed I am at products that claim to be able to do something, or imply their capabilities because they do not list the limitations (upconverting video signals from Composite to Component, as a recent example for me) that actually fail to deliver. I suppose this is a geek/informed person mentality, but if the product doesn't deliver the end you tell me it does, then it is a waste of my time.

      - Has no major glaring holes. This carries a caviat that since we know it will carry glaring holes (as in, these days, it seems impossible to actually provide a software product without a bug) that those bugs be fixed FREE OF CHARGE. I don't frankly give a damn about this whole "limited liability" "we take no responsibility" bullshit that software makers seem to dole out to their customers. They made the product, and while it may not be certified for life and death situations, if it cannot even run properly because it crashes or gets hijacked within 30 seconds of being online, your company needs to pony up and fix it or lose my business. Other industries can take this mentality as well, and should be ready to respond appropriately.

      - Do not force a product and shortchange the customer. I can imagine how many products and projects out there get ramrodded out the door because marketing set a release schedule that the development and testing teams were not able to meet. How often are these products delayed for their proper testing? Oh, very rarely (Sony Online Entertainment is a classic of this, releasing products to their customers that have, at times, crashed and failed to work upon release). Don't force the product, allocate sufficient time to do it right. Your customers like you more when what they get works right, the first time.

      - If you're going to charge me more than the other guy, make it plain as to what I get for it. I frankly don't mind paying a little more for better quality, but I want to know I'm getting quality and not just your word it is.

      - Be honest and courteous. Nothing pisses me off more than a company that lies to me, tries to get me into something that I don't want, or bothers me incessantly. So far as I am concerned, you (as a marketer) are there for my whim (as a customer). You have something I want (money) and may have something I need (your product), except you always want what I have regardless if I want what you're selling. The infrequent reminder of something you carry may be useful, but typically isn't. With advertising and marketing getting pushier and more 'in your face' out for normal individuals, people tune it out, and you lose whatever advantage you hoped to gain (like.. I may glance at the ads on Slashdot, but I won't ever click on them, and barely even register that they're there). This may not apply to one-on-one salespeople, but there are some aspects that carryover.

      You may be an exception to the rule, but myself (and quite likely many others around) have learned through the actions of marketers and advertisers that you will use any technique you can in order to sell your product. That means anything not explicitly made illegal, such as failing to mention downsides unless required, associative images that do not follow, use of false but 'sounds good' logic (not illegal, but pretty close), or selling products that will cause a distructive influence (see: selling credit cards to people with a history of credit problems). Maybe you don't do this, and if not, congratulations, you just may be the next Mesiah. Experience tells us marketers are not to be trusted and rank up with lawyers with their desired explusion from the human race, even if they serve a marginally useful purpose.

      This has nothing to do with jealousy. It has to with revulsion. People with even a grain of critical thinking skills should be able to see through the shams that are out there (sorta like a Chapter 7 and 13 "debt reduction plan", without telling you

    14. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Twanfox · · Score: 1
      You have something I want (money) and may have something I need (your product), except you always want what I have regardless if I want what you're selling.

      Preview like 15 times, and still this line gets through. It should read...

      You want something that I have (money) and may have something I want (your product), ...

    15. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Com2Kid · · Score: 1
      • And you would be out of a job as well once the company went under. You don't get rich by giving people the absolute lowest rate you can. You get wiped out of the market.


      So what you are saying is, you go to a "lunch meeting" and sit there and bullshit each other about the lowest possible price you can sell at? If the other guy is a better bullshiter than you, he/she gets closer to the "true" lowest price possible, if you are a better bullshitter you get to charge a higher price? ....

      Horrid.

      Closed bid systems are better in this respect, bid, get it over with. Unfortunately corruption inevitably sets in, mostly in the form of lunch meetings...
    16. Re:Bill Hicks Had It Right. by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You have no idea how it works. Its not even just haggling a price down. Its about networking and building relationships which are REALLY what let businesses succeed today, despite any misconceptions one might have about selling a superior product. I'm not trying to glorify it, all I'm saying is that you don't really have a proper view on this because of your lack of information. You're right that closed bid systems work, but as you yourself admit, the reality of things is that connections set in (not corruption).

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  24. Come again? by archnerd · · Score: 2, Informative


    Ryan Donovan, a Hewlett-Packard Co. public relations director, concedes that terms like "data migration" and "optimizes agility" - both of which are found in the company's press materials - might confuse average readers. But the company uses those phrases in documents intended for technology experts and executives, he says.


    To exactly which technology experts is he referring? Sure as hell not me.

    1. Re:Come again? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the emphasis was on "executives", many of whom mistakenly consider themselves to be technology experts.

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  25. Newflash! by TheOriginalRevdoc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Advertisers and corporate relations departments produce bullshit... film at 11.

    1. Re:Newflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this isn't the old flash, it's a new flash

  26. Solutions by kevlar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'High-tech companies don't release products anymore, they provide solutions. And those solutions don't simply run a program or play a song. Instead, they enable experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive'

    OR, those solutions route phone calls, let you manage and share your calendar or take a picture of your license plate when you run a red light.

    Those buzzwords do have definitions. Its the simpletons in Marketing and PR who try to decsribe shit without understanding what the shit does or how it will be used.

    I've often wondered if the vague descriptions served a another purpose, which is to throw off your potential competition by not telling anyone what you do... Maybe thats why those companies usually have no customers...

  27. Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After reading the article, I'd say he's basically bashing new jargon because he doesn't see a need for it.

    I would say most of what he sites is pretty silly, but "Scalable?"

    I can't think of a better word to describe something as highly functional as scalable, even if sometimes it applies to things it really shouldn't matter for.

    But we'll take for instance a simple peer to peer file sharing network. Some file sharing networks simply don't scale well to thousands of users, or hundreds of thousands but work really well for a few dozen. So knowing weather or not something like this is scalable enough to demonstrate to a small office, then deploy company wide. Knowing something like that REALLY WILL save you some heartache later one.

    Or how about rendering engines? Some scale DOWN as well as up. A good scalalbe engine means software will drop features on low end hardware, and take advantage of more on newer hardware.

    Some jargon is useful.

    But others are just annoying. I still hate the term "BLOG". We already has sufficient terms to describe most post and forum sites, but the term BLOG implies a specific type and now sites that aren't really blogs are being called blogs by the internet newcomers who don't know any better.

    So ... uh... blah.

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  28. definitions up the wazoo by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Here are some candidate definitions offered by the c2.com crowd:

    * Complex business logic
    * Access to relational databases
    * Distributed computing, generally using some sort of remote procedure call or remote method invocation protocol
    * Distributed transactions
    * Data exchange between heterogeneous systems
    * Message-oriented middleware
    * Directory and naming services
    * Interpersonal communication (e-mail, chat, shared documents, video-conferencing)
    * Security
    * Web-browser-based client interfaces
    * Integration with legacy systems
    * Integration with the systems of other businesses/organizations
    * Centralized administration and maintenance
    * Something that costs boat-loads of money (and is considered to be worth it by its sponsors)
    * Something that wastes boat-loads of money
    * Slow developer velocity to near zero with 3-minute start-up times
    * Give BEA and IBM Global Services reasons to exist
    * Applications that have reach across multiple functional areas in a company

    And my favorites:

    Definition: "An application whereby more than 10 people get fired if it fails."

    Variation: "An application whereby the total annual salaries of those fired for failure is greater than $600,000."

  29. scalable is not a marketing word by teromajusa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He longs to see the demise of "scalable," for instance, which is tech lingo for something that can get bigger.

    While other things discussed in the article are just plain silly, scalability is a real feature of software. It should be discussed in marketing material, and customers should ask about it if its not. I guess the inability to discern between buzzwords and features extends, beyond marketers and purchasers, to the writer of the article.

    1. Re:scalable is not a marketing word by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

      In my database class our professor was giving a brief overview of databases going through the pros and cons of each and when talking about Access he used the term "scalable" as well as the very important qualifier "not." Microsoft themselves use the term correctly when describing what another of their products can do in comparison to Access.

      Assuming my professor is correct and "optimize" means "adds" the full list of buzzwords MS uses in describing what Access doesn't have is: "performance, scalability, security, reliability, recoverability, and availability"

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    2. Re:scalable is not a marketing word by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      Assuming my professor is correct and "optimize" means "adds"

      Huh? Optimize means improve as far as possible, make as good as possible.

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    3. Re:scalable is not a marketing word by Coryoth · · Score: 1

      I guess the inability to discern between buzzwords and features extends, beyond marketers and purchasers, to the writer of the article.

      But that'd precisely the problem! Yes, indeed "scalable" has a well defined meaning with regard to software. The problem is that the word has been attached so widely to so many things where it is hardly relevant, simply because it is the buzzword of the moment, that it has lost its meaning. It is entirely possible now to see a product that marketing materials describe as "scalable" and yet have no idea how "scalable" applies to the product in question. The word has, within marketing circles, been stripped of its meaning. That is of serious concern.

      Jedidiah.

  30. Opens up a good way to ... by quax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... find out if a sales guy pushing a "solution" actually has only vapor or something real to offer.

    Just ask him what his "solution" solves for your business.

    Sometimes buzzwords actually work in the customers favor.

    1. Re:Opens up a good way to ... by radtea · · Score: 1

      It's easier than that--if a company is selling "solutions", I don't want their stuff. I buy products and services, not solutions. I want a hat, not a "rain protection solution" and an accountant, not a "tax preparation solution."

      One important characteristic of "solution" is that it makes it impossible to tell if the vendor is selling a product or a service. Yet as a purchaser that is one of the most critical peices of information that I want, and I want it up-front.

      For example, is a "tax prepartion solution" a tax software package for my PC, or is it a person who will do my taxes? It really matters to me which it is. Yet looking at the words "tax prepartion solution" I have no way at all to tell. Ergo, I move on to a vendor who identifies their product or service in the terms I care about, not in terms of some abstract irrelevancy.

      --Tom

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    2. Re:Opens up a good way to ... by quax · · Score: 1

      This makes sense for an individual, but not necessarilly for an enterprise.

      Let me give you an example: Suppose you run a bank that offers credit cards. You spend a lot of money on sending ads out via mail, but you also have current customers that you can call and may want to make a special offer, especially if you have any indication that they may consider switching to another bank. But you really don't know exactly how to determine these customers or when it is better to send an ad in the mail or rather to call a customer.

      Generally speaking, you have a customer retention and direct marketing problem. What you need is somebody who really understands the business issues and implications of this problem and offers a solution. Quite obviously this solution will be comprised of a software and a services part. Rather then going with a pure service shop that will be hard pressed to gobble together a solution on the go, shopping for a vendor that offers a real solution to your problem and also has a track record of succeeding at it may be the smarter choice.

      DISCLAIMER: Yes, my employer does offer a bunch of solutions, and yes we can make much more money on those then tool sales. The latter only holds because we actually manage to get them much more bang for their bucks. The tools have reached a level of complexity and interdependence that our customers need the services in the equation to put them to profitable use quickly.

  31. Is it just me???? by tuxter · · Score: 1

    I know not many of you RTFA, but is it just me, or is it really poorly written? I mean, how many paragraphs does the dude need in it. Maybe he needs a scalable language assimilation solution.

  32. -1, Offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This post is -1, Offtopic.

  33. What we do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is what we do:

    We e-enable leading-edge web-readiness, revolutionize interactive applications, syndicate virtual niches, mesh transparent experiences, strategize collaborative architectures, maximize interactive e-business, deploy interactive web services, innovate scalable partnerships, transform virtual metrics, target dot-com supply-chains, benchmark next-generation e-markets, embrace efficient communities, productize sexy models, cultivate customized communities, orchestrate e-business action-items, revolutionize ubiquitous infrastructures, transition dynamic markets, benchmark bleeding-edge experiences, orchestrate real-time methodologies, seize value-added channels, repurpose integrated channels, scale viral methodologies, deploy integrated portals, e-enable bleeding-edge markets, transform bleeding-edge partnerships, grow bleeding-edge infomediaries, deliver extensible technologies, seize robust paradigms, disintermediate user-centric experiences, incentivize killer mindshare, disintermediate one-to-one web services, facilitate open-source e-services, deliver back-end e-tailers, deliver distributed initiatives, synthesize transparent platforms, visualize end-to-end channels, engage integrated e-markets, strategize collaborative web services, synergize real-time solutions, morph leading-edge schemas, enable extensible convergence, evolve dot-com schemas, generate end-to-end bandwidth, utilize B2B users, deliver innovative portals, transform enterprise e-business, utilize seamless markets, mesh frictionless paradigms, maximize visionary e-services, enable viral methodologies, monetize proactive deliverables, unleash cross-platform channels, expedite user-centric content, morph ubiquitous mindshare, syndicate leading-edge content, incubate distributed solutions, unleash compelling schemas, evolve seamless technologies, enhance back-end applications, synergize compelling eyeballs, utilize revolutionary communities, drive extensible mindshare, streamline transparent applications, recontextualize seamless solutions, repurpose transparent networks, synthesize wireless models, syndicate sticky supply-chains, target enterprise platforms, empower interactive solutions, aggregate collaborative methodologies, deliver efficient users, incentivize clicks-and-mortar paradigms, disintermediate frictionless interfaces, exploit integrated infomediaries, visualize next-generation bandwidth, innovate out-of-the-box eyeballs, seize seamless web-readiness, synthesize cutting-edge deliverables, leverage B2C systems, deploy efficient functionalities, revolutionize dot-com content, deploy dynamic users, innovate visionary solutions, streamline web-enabled channels, syndicate scalable solutions, optimize granular partnerships, syndicate revolutionary web-readiness, streamline front-end models, synthesize collaborative solutions, facilitate leading-edge channels, generate wireless action-items, brand visionary web services, incubate viral convergence, generate magnetic eyeballs, transform real-time niches, leverage one-to-one convergence, envisioneer virtual networks, deliver value-added niches, transform value-added e-markets, and finally, we generate efficient architectures.

  34. Whiney bitch by kevlar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That guy is a whiney bitch. His examples are totally bogus.

    Enterprise = Anything dealing with corporations
    Scalable = Anything that can support growth
    Blog = Web Log. Its a fucking diary.

    I was expecting to see shit like "Synergy", but "Data Migration"?!? How the hell can you be in the IT industry and not understand Data Migration?

    What a douche bag!

    1. Re:Whiney bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yes. A word freak. I knew when he started spouting off about pauses in sentences when people speak (Uhh...ummm...etc...things normal people do) that we were dealing with a overzealous word nazi. Sure the buzzword mindless marketing/sales drone approach gets irritating. I'm in a company drenching in these assholes. With their pressed shirts...525i. But what is interesting, is to watch the company whores turn on themselves. Oh they do. They do it bad. And the worst of them are WOMEN. Vicious little beasts.

    2. Re:Whiney bitch by winkydink · · Score: 1

      525i's aare for wannabe's. Now 545i's, they rock! And the new M5? Look out!

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    3. Re:Whiney bitch by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Real men drive M3s. And I'm sick of this annoying stereotype, that BMW drivers are all full of shit marketing types. Not everybody that has enough money to drive a bimmer is full of shit.

      But I agree, the new M5 is the balls. That'll be mine in a few years.

    4. Re:Whiney bitch by wannabgeek · · Score: 0

      Yes, while the spirit of the article is totally agreeable. He picked wrong examples of words. He simply should have picked the words from this instead.
      Btw, one of my pet peeves these days is framework. How about each one post the word they hate most? It will be a nice collection. May be we can even have a slashdot poll on picking the winner

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    5. Re:Whiney bitch by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I think that my favorite pet peeve in this regard is "virus." A computer virus was a piece of code that added itself to an existing program, running whenever the main program was executed. It added itself to other programs and possibly caused damage to the system. It spread from computer to computer when infected files were transferred. What we have now is trojans, programs that claim to do one thing and either cause damage instead or as well as their claimed operation.

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    6. Re:Whiney bitch by cgenman · · Score: 1

      I agree. The originator of said article is not an enterprise-class corporate culturist. As a solutions provider he needs to refocus his agility optimizations into enabling paradigm-shifting synergistic total-needs marketing alignments. But all brainspace team leaders need scalable workforce management solutions integrated into an accessible, transformative strategy schema to meet the needs of today's dynamic shifting market realities. After all, how else would you leverage your maximized efficiency into accelerated profitable growth measures without sacrificing your time to market or your intense competitive focus? Your small and mid-sized business segments deserve better streamlined business alliances and highly adaptable world-class capabilities, with one-stop, one-call complete managed IT accelerated solutions implementation experts.

      If you think I'm making this up, check out Hewlett Packard's press release section.

    7. Re:Whiney bitch by MSBob · · Score: 1

      In most of Europe BMW is the gangstah's car. If you drive a beemer you're immediately assumed to be pushing drugs or running a brothel. Last car I'd buy for "image".

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    8. Re:Whiney bitch by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      That's strange, definitely not the same stereotype over here in the US. Not to say that there aren't people who buy 325s and "rice" them out or ghetto them up, it does happen, but it's a small portion of the people who own BMWs. A drug dealer or other well-off ghetto denizen is more likely to be driving an Escalade with spinner rims and ultra high tint windows.

      In any case, I bought an M3 because it's the best compromise between a sports car and a practical, drivable daily use car that I know of in my price range. I'd get two cars, but living in the city (Boston, now New York) the issue is parking (~$400 a month near where I live in Manhattan) which ends up being more expensive than a second car itself.

  35. Apple and Microsoft did this because they had to by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    Look at their market. Most people want the computer to be an appliance. They don't care how many "jigga-bops" it has. The PC market started out as catering to geeks, but in order to get the rest of the people to buy their products, they had to sell it on terms they could understand.

    How many people care how many gallons their washing machine uses? A better selling point would be that it can wash 16 towels at one time.

    There are people that like screwing around with technology, and those that just want to use it.

  36. Every software is scalable. by hsoft · · Score: 1

    Every software is scalable. The question to ask is not wether the software is scalable or not, but to what point it is. Because every software is scalable to a point, and every marketer adds it in their product description, it is a buzzword.

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    1. Re:Every software is scalable. by teromajusa · · Score: 1

      Because every software is scalable to a point, and every marketer adds it in their product description, it is a buzzword.

      It may be a buzzword, but it is also a legitimate feature. In my team we've had alot of meetings to find ways to make our product scale better - and they sure as hell weren't marketing meetings. The end result is that our product does scale well, and our sales people rightfully point this out. To say the term should be killed, as did the quote I included in my original post, is just stupid, and demonstrates an inability to tell what is a pure marketing term from what is an overmarketed term.

    2. Re:Every software is scalable. by mwa · · Score: 2, Informative
      It may be a buzzword, but it is also a legitimate feature.

      "Scalability" is a pure and meaningless buzzword, unless specific metrics of the precise scale is provided. That's the point.

      We have a "scalable" application that scales by adding servers and dividing the work between them. That's not so bad in and of itself except that in order to get the information you want out of it you have to know which server to ask and none of the servers can tell you anything about the big picture.

      Scales great and "less filling" too!

    3. Re:Every software is scalable. by Spoing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      1. "Scalability" is a pure and meaningless buzzword, unless specific metrics of the precise scale is provided. That's the point.

      No, it's not. A word processor is not scalable; you can only have 1 person using 1 instance at a time. If a software package can be used on modest hardware -- and tossing more hardware at it makes that one instance more capable -- it's scalable.

      I agree that throwing hardware at poorly designed software can be a mistake if other similar software doesn't need the extra gear. How well it scales does matter...though at the point you start asking those types of questions you're often dealing with a specific environment.

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    4. Re:Every software is scalable. by Spoing · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Note that I am talking *only* about multi-user or multi-process systems.

      Upgrading a PC so the games play faster is not an example of scaleability.

      A MMORPG that runs on a server farm is scaleable if adding more boxes allows more players in the same instance of a virtual world. If it only allows more isolated games, it's not scaleable.

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    5. Re:Every software is scalable. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      Every software is scalable.

      No, not all software is scalable. I remember when I was at JPL, back in '84. I was working with the software engeneer who'd written what was then JPL's main program for calculating space-probe trajectories, TRAM. (Trajectory Monitor) Somebody came in and told us he'd just crashed TRAM. He'd been trying to calculate the masses of the Jovian moons (or at least a maximum if they were too small) by comparing the predictions to the actual path taken by Voyager II. He'd been trying to calculate the masses for eleven of them at once, but TRAM was written in FORTRAN and had all the arrays set to ten because FORTRAN didn't allow for dynamic arrays in those days. TRAM was not scalable. We ended up editing a copy of the source to change it to allow for eleven and recompiling a special version for this. Now, of course, they'd use C or C++, and allocate everything dynamically, but that wasn't available yet.

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  37. Marketing is the root of the problem by Soko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The marketing people are so bad at hyping their products that, with all my experience, I'll have to read and reread and reread just to figure out what this thing does," says Freedman, founder of The Computer Language Company Inc. in Point Pleasant, Pa.

    I don't even bother with marketing materials any more. I google for "$PRODUCT problem resolved" or somesuch.

    My personal opinion is that marketers should be legally liable for making false or even potetially misleading statements. I implemented a BI/Broker (A Business Intelligence package, if you'll excuse the oxymoron) install, all the while knowing that the thing was essentially worthless without us puting in the intelligence that the thing needed. A simple spreadsheet would have done the same, with less hardware/software/programing. It was OMG Cool to the buzz-word compliant people though, since the marketing weenies did such a good job of hood winking senior management. In the end, the company used 1/4 of the systems functionality, and the rest was done by spreadsheet. Go figure.

    Really, I wonder how 'scaleable' the marketers personal wallets are, after I've spent my employers money of a product that only does half the job I thought it would, and I can recover costs because they lied.

    Marketing is lies, more lies and damned lies in a pretty package so you'll put your money and reputation on the line. The whole premise is to extract money from your companies shareholders and give it to thier shareholders. Remember that the next time a sales weenie takes you out for lunch.

    Soko

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  38. Apple is primarly guilty... by CashCarSTAR · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    It's "It just works" campaign attracts people, but when people realize that it doesn't "just work", it requires study and practice, and yes, you might have to fix it from time to time...

    It frustrates people, and it makes people feel like morons. Which they're not, just inexperienced.

  39. Dot Com pre-IPO Buzzword Primer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Buzzword Translation
    -------- -----------
    Adaptable Product not yet coded.
    Scalable Not scalable.
    Best-of-Breed As good as other vaporware.
    Zero-maintenance Zero-utility.
    Open Works with anything - just not with your systems.

    1. Re:Dot Com pre-IPO Buzzword Primer by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think the translation is a bit different:

      Adaptable: Works equally bad on every type of problem.
      Scalable: Works equally bad on every problem size.
      Best-of-breed: We tried several times, but couldn't produce something better.
      Zero-maintenance: You can't make it work better by putting work into it.
      Open: There are several ways to get our crap.
      Cross-platform: Fails differently on different systems.
      Future-proof: It can't get worse anyway.
      Object-oriented: We expect someone to object against the use of this.
      Patent-pending: Noone else will produce that sort of crap.
      Integrated: We've put a lot of crap together to make a bigger product.

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  40. Not Offtopic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC was clearly stating that he makes a "Fine Profit" from his scalable enterprise solutions! His subject line was meant to invoke jealousy of his success! Silly mods! :-p

  41. A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic Com by QuickFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic Community Synergies

    It is a well-known fact that at the current point in time unprecedented opportunities for leveraging win/win strategies arise through emergent social-dynamics synergies heralding revolutionary technology breakthroughs in world-wide media applications.

    This post presents to the Slashdot community a proposal for an exciting new roadmap that delineates a win/win strategy integrating unique potentials for reaping the benefits of emergent synergistic effects arising from a major paradigm shift in focus group dynamics and from leveraging cost/benefit appraisals in the resulting market-share contribution matrix.

    I think we can all agree that innovative win/win strategies to facilitate the on-going paradigm shifts in market model convergence scenario implementations spearheding cutting-edge technology utilization are paramount to the success of a comprehensive assessment of the emergent Slashdot win/win market penetration focus group convergence synergy potential.

    This revolutionary proposal comprises a visionary win/win scenario for leveraging factors that consume all resources, in other words, resource hogs. The new strategy implements enhanced information flows wherein the resultant rise in information flow constitutes a major asset in the win/win strategy for enhancing countermeasures against this particular type of resource-consuming factor, in that the resultant friction will wash them away.

    This unique win/win/win scenario comprises state-of-the-art paradigm shifts in community-building strategies for leveraging burgeoning cutting-edge visions of innovative synergized implementation models that underscore the win/win/win/win potentials of a comprehensive market-share focus to facilitate the sustainable spearheading of integrated emergent convergence-orientated industry exposures utilizing win/win/win/win/win propositions for heralding the introduction of unprecedented new win/win/win/win/win/win technology cost/benefit appraisals in order to enhance your browsing experience.

    (If you read this post very carefully, you'll notice that if you remove all the buzzwords, what remains is hogwash. Literally.)

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  42. from your favorite... by asr_man · · Score: 1

    Somewhere there's a product that will Grow Bleeding-edge Eyeballs!

    1. Re:from your favorite... by FLEB · · Score: 1

      You win. Your venture capital will be arriving shortly.

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      Entertainment wants to be paid.
      You just want to be cheap.
  43. Confused? Just read.... by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "XML Enterprise Object Network Services 101 with UML in Seven Days for Dummies Super-Bible Unleashed"

    I read it and am now all cleared up. It even removed nasal congestion under 2 minutes and left my nose smelling minty clean with a mild scent of fresh lemon.

    1. Re:Confused? Just read.... by wooley-one · · Score: 1

      That smell is the result of having your brain extracted via your nostril.

  44. Its The Outcomes, Not The Solutions by Boricle · · Score: 1
    I'm surprised that anyone is still trying to sell "solutions".

    I thought that the big sell these days - especially with the growth in outsourcing - is to sell "outcomes".

    You don't provide ERP Solutions (an input), you provide cost effective timely financial reporting (an outcome).

    You don't provide Printing Solutions (the service consumed), you provide Flexible High Reliability Content Production (the outcome).

    You don't sell mobile phone solutions, you sell happier existences....

    And besides, its much easier to sell the outcome, rather than the input. The magic is to convince people that the outcome will be achieved given the input.

    Boris.

  45. It's more about marketing by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But in the long run, services is actually the driving force in computing. Products are fine, but upon those products is a whole ecology of companies providing support, enhancement, and integration of those products, tailored for each individual company.

    Providing and selling services are completely okay with me, too, as long as it's possible to figure out what those services actually are. Where I have the problem is when the marketing lingo that's describing the product or service is so abstract and general that it's impossible to figure out what on earth the product or service actually does.

    For many tech companies these days, it's downright impossible to figure out what they actually do from their marketing material. It's just full of buzz-words that mean absolutely nothing. Instead of saying they'll build software to suit your needs, they promote themselves as having cohesive teams who'll provide scalable solutions to assist in optimising the dynamic agility of your business. Huh?

    I can't understand how someone looking for software to be built, or for someone to out-source their payroll system to, or whatever else, could possible figure out to contact to a company that uses that type of marketing. This is one of the reasons that I really don't like working in tech, because there's so much focus on spouting rubbish instead of getting to the point... whether that point be that a company will build products, or provide a service. Apparently it works, though, because these buzzword businesses seem to be thriving.

    I think this is the point of the article.

    1. Re:It's more about marketing by Trickster+Coyote · · Score: 1

      For many tech companies these days, it's downright impossible to figure out what they actually do from their marketing material.

      Down the street from my place there is a business in a second floor office. At the street entrance there is a brightly lit sign with the business name on it: "Dynamic Solutions". There is absolutely no clue given as to what they actually do. I wonder if the sign gets them any walk-in business?

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    2. Re:It's more about marketing by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      Customer: "Hi, I walked by, and I was thinking I'm really in need of a dynamic solution..."

      Salesman: "Well great! You've come to the right place! We have all sorts of dynamic solutions here!"

  46. Huh? Apple? by Titusdot+Groan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Why is this bozo blaming enterprise buzzword bingo on Apple?

    Check out their web page for the Xserve. It's their enterprise product and it's also their most technical page. It has little of their standard marketing flare and is loaded with tech specs.

    I guess that all buzzword and no product stuff is why Apple recently announced Mac mini, iPod shuffle, iLife and iWork.

    I guess they also are not selling big honking displays or yet another version of their iMac.

    What do you have to do to lose the buzzword moniker, reinvent an entire industry?

  47. Counter productive by bay43270 · · Score: 1

    It seems like a lot of this marketing babble does more harm than good. Many times, I've been asked to do research on pre-existing 'solutions', and have passed on companies becuase I couldn't really tell what they were offering. The entire point of using a pre-existing solution is to save manpower. If I have to schedule a 3 hour teleconference just to find out if your product serves my industry, I just might not bother.

  48. Buzzwords... by Thunderstruck · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've got your slashdot buzzwords right here in one handy, easy to remember phrase:

    In Soviet Russia, all your base are imagining an ad-hoc beowulf cluster of old korean overlords welcoming YOU!

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:Buzzwords... by megabyte405 · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute, where's Natalie Portman and the Hot Grits? Jeepers, the nerve... :)

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    2. Re:Buzzwords... by brettper · · Score: 1

      [1]Do not eat In Soviet Russia, all your base are imagining an ad-hoc beowulf cluster of old korean overlords welcoming YOU!

    3. Re:Buzzwords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be:

      1. In Soviet Russia, all your base are imagining an ad-hoc beowulf cluster of old korean overlords welcoming YOU!
      2. ???
      3. Profit!

    4. Re:Buzzwords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [1]Do not eat In Soviet Russia, all your base are imagining an ad-hoc beowulf cluster of old korean overlords welcoming YOU! to pour hot grits down Natalie Portman's pants...in JAPAN, you insensitive clod!

  49. communications issues by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My pet peeve is that, when things go wrong, they're "issues". "Your car has a tree issue" has become the kind of BS we hear every day. They're PROBLEMS. It's OK to have problems - otherwise, who's going to buy your solutions?

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    1. Re:communications issues by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      "Your car has a tree issue"

      A tree issue? Your car has a tree issue?

      What's a tree issue? Your car bumps into trees?

      Now don't be offended, but that's not a tree issue. It's a driver issue.

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    2. Re:communications issues by mge · · Score: 1

      There is no Driver issue. It was resolved by applying the (organic and environmentally sound) Tree solution.

    3. Re:communications issues by Mudcathi · · Score: 1
      "Your car has a tree issue" has become the kind of BS we hear every day.

      Gawd, that was incredibly funny. I'd love to comment more, but have to go take care of, er, my infant son's "diaper issue" right now :)

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    4. Re:communications issues by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > My pet peeve is that, when things go wrong, they're "issues"...

      Oh, do you have issues with the issues? What you need is our enterprise class
      comprehensive issues remediation package. Our company, through serving the
      issues remediation needs of the community for over thirty years, has developed
      strategic core competencies that have enabled us, in collaboration with other
      leading issues remediation experts, to lead the industry in developing the
      improved processes and results-driven issues remediation services that we have
      combined into this enterprise class package that is especially tailored to
      suit the issues remediation needs of your business or organization.

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    5. Re:communications issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my! I'm shocked to confess to you that I'm in full agreement!

      Your good friend,
      dcw3

    6. Re:communications issues by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, the same euphamism for "problem" is coughed up for people as objects. When my car has a "tree issue", it probably has a problem like being wrapped around a tree. When I have a tree issue, I probably have a problem like I'm upset that my car is wrapped around a tree.

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  50. Bill Gates or Timothy Leary by Performaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Today the PC is often still considered just a tool, but together we need to make it a lot more than that. We need to make it a path to experiences,"
    Replace "the PC is" with "drugs are."

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  51. Apple Fanboyism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes Apple. Apple is a marketing company. They buy their "solutions" off the shelf and re-package it and promote it. Sorry, fanboy, but Apple and Microsoft are two peas in a pod.

  52. My new VP of engineering by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

    The guy actually has a thesaurus (yes, I know Office has one too) propped open on his desk to find better words than the ones we plainspoken people use. Here's some great examples of him:

    -actionable

    -repeatable

    -iteratively

    -resonate

    and my personal favorite "theater of the real"

    1. Re:My new VP of engineering by mlk · · Score: 1

      We have a poster on a door with "Please look through the vision panes before utilizing".

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  53. Re:Apple and Microsoft did this because they had t by 0racle · · Score: 1

    The scalability of your washing machine is astounding. Can we get together over lunch and discuss the possibility of getting a washing machine solution here that scales as well?

    I'm new to speaking Buzzword Bullshit. I swear that I'm going to end up killing my manager, though he is a good English to marketing translator.

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  54. Passions come alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive

    Yeah, Bill Gates always struck me as the Fabio of the software world. He should have been on the cover of the software boxes.

  55. Need Translations? by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try The Buzzword Compliant Dictionary. Sadly, Bullfighter is no longer available.

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    1. Re:Need Translations? by 0x0000 · · Score: 1
      The best way to convert liberals is to have them move out of their parent's home, get a job and start paying taxe

      Funny, that was exactly my advice for Rush Limbaugh...

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  56. Re:Apple and Microsoft did this because they had t by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    Well, your ideas sound proactive. But I think you can combine your synergy with that of a pencil and just flick it at your manager's head.

  57. Don Watson's Death Sentence by Anthony · · Score: 4, Informative

    I read his book a few months ago. He talks of the death of public language, how it has been pervaded by words and phrases that have no real power or truth - dead language.

    To quote from the following article Fighting the Death Sentence

    "To provide outcome-related research and consultancy services that address real-world issues" - shrieks of laughter. The university's "approach to quality management is underpinned by a strong commitment to continuous improvement and a whole-of-organisation framework" - uproar in the room. The university in question was RMIT but it could have been any of them. Go to your website and read the language, Watson urged guests at a recent Deans of Education dinner. That made people laugh even more. They worked at universities; they knew what he was talking about. Some of them probably even wrote this stuff. It was a surreal moment. But to Watson the joke has a sting. It is funny and it is awful. A terrible thing is happening to the language, he believes, and at the end of the day, in a globalised world, it is not a positive communications outcome. In other words, there is a pox upon our public speech.

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    1. Re:Don Watson's Death Sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article should be modded redundant; Orwell's *Politics and the English Language* mad the case far more effectively decades ago.

    2. Re:Don Watson's Death Sentence by lpontiac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have Watson's book on my shelf but am yet to read it all the way through.

      I felt that the book, ironically enough, beat about the bush and took too long to make a simple point.

    3. Re:Don Watson's Death Sentence by Anthony · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But Don points out the specific vocabulary used today and their root in "managerialism" that has escaped the confines of business and pervades our society and most importantly, our public language.

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  58. Solutions are the problem by topham · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Whomever dreamt up "Solution" in the IT world should be shot.
    (I don't think it was Microsoft or Apple).

    I had a client who wanted to send invoices out as PDF documents via Email. They have a system in place already that generates Invoice forms on laser printers and wanted it duplicated and produced as PDF/email. (a timeline of yesterday of course).

    So, I call up the company that wrote the Forms software they were already using as their new version supported creation of PDF documents as well as emailing them. Should be easy right? Wrong.

    Couldn't buy the software, instead the company wanted to provide a "Solution", the salesperson wouldn't even give an idea of the price for the 'solutions', but demanded we wade through a web demo with him for an afternoon before it was to be discussed.

    So, after having a little back and forth phone tag / negotiations we said forget it and I found a nice piece of software which could convert PCL to PDF and supported PDF Encryption / Access restrictions.

    Dropped the program onto the server, spent an afternoon making adjustments to the process to add email support and presto; PDF Documents via Email.

    1. Re:Solutions are the problem by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Couldn't buy the software, instead the company wanted to provide a "Solution", the salesperson wouldn't even give an idea of the price for the 'solutions', but demanded we wade through a web demo with him for an afternoon before it was to be discussed.

      Out of curiosity, what company were you dealing with?

  59. Potential Employer Filter by teneighty · · Score: 1

    Ever notice how the most medicore companies with the least to offer potential customers are the worst abusers of marketing-speak? Marketing speak is a sign that the company or its products have nothing unique or particularly compelling about them. In many cases, it also means that the marketing people in the company have little or no technology background and are simply unable to articulate any sort of benefit, because they don't understand their target audience or their product.

    I find that the level of marketing-speak is a great way to separate the bad potential employers from the more interesting ones. Unfortunately the world I work in (Java, especially server-side stuff) is particularly rife with companies that use copious amounts of marketing-speak. (speaking of which - anyone hiring in the PNW or BC?).

  60. Steve Jobs Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Apple co-founder Steve Jobs promoted the "experience" of using an Apple computer way back in 1984 - before many people could see why they'd want one of the pricey, clunky boxes in their homes.


    Because you like the experience? Right?

    Read the article before you get your apple fanboy buddies to mod you up.

  61. Obfuscational Rhetoric by WeirdKid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We've been making fun of this for years. My pet peeve of the moment is the over-use of slightly ambiguous statements followed by "from a this-or-that perspective".

    Example: Instead of saying "What is your schedule?" I get: "What is your timeline, from a scheduling perspective?"

    Or, instead of "How is the project going?", I get: "How are things going, from a project perspective?"

    I swear to God that the people I work with can't form a sentence without this. It drives me nuts. That, and people who say "processees". Fucking ignorant.

    1. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, lots of people think the same thing about you when you swear. You sir, could use a rearranging from the vocabulary perspective.

    2. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by fungai · · Score: 1

      My, quite similar, pet-peeve is the phrase "in terms of". Especially well liked by South African government employees. For example "we have seen very good growth in terms of the economy" - WTF? "We've seen good economic growth" seems so much better.

    3. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by fishbot · · Score: 1

      The one I like is 'in terms of'. Everything is 'in terms of' something else.

      "What is your schedule, in terms of lunch?"

      'In terms of lunch? You want me to translate my schedule to a combination of vegetables, bread and dairy products, and sauce?'

      I especially like the question in terms of a far more precise question:

      "What are you doing tonight, in terms of going out for a drink?"

      The only sense is nonsense.

    4. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My peeve is people who use 'sir' when (they think) they are correcting others, but are really coming off as condescending and arrogant. Fucking tools.

    5. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by Finuvir · · Score: 1

      I had a lecturer who use the phrase "in terms of" as if it was punctuation. He literally (and I do mean literally, unlike most people who use the word) said "in terms of" instead of "eh" or "um" when he was thinking about what to say. I counted over 130 uses of the phrase in a 50-minute lecture. That's nearly once every 20 seconds.

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    6. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by autophile · · Score: 1
      Or, instead of "How is the project going?", I get: "How are things going, from a project perspective?"

      Well, I could overanalyze this. For example, in business you want to ask a question, but you don't want to ask it directly which makes the other guy think you're treating them like a machine... even though that's what you're doing anyway.

      So, instead of asking "How's the project going?", you ask "How are things going...", as in "I'm interested in you!", so they get ready to talk about their latest boring hobby but then you qualify: "...from a project perspective (or context, or basis)." Bzap!

      --Rob

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    7. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by barneyfoo · · Score: 1

      "pet peeve" annoys me.

      do see how easy that was?

      simple english.

    8. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by barneyfoo · · Score: 1

      in stead of saying "how's the project going?" which is a bad use of english anyway, one should say "are you having any problems with the project. if not, will it be completed on time?" -- at least this might get to the point what you're trying to say. Adjust it to reflect what you really mean. I think that people use phrases like that as a formal greeting, and for the appearance of doing something useful.

      how is xxx going? is just bad english. don't use it.

    9. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by Suidae · · Score: 1

      While I'm not disagreeing, can you explain precisely why the phrase 'how is x going' is a bad usage of English? Certainly its colloquial, but that doesn't make it bad, just casual.

    10. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by barneyfoo · · Score: 1

      because it means 100 different things depending on what you should really be asking. If all you mean is "Tell me what's on your mind" then say it. You're far more likely to get a response. If you have no meaning and just want the formality of "How's it going", "OK, how are you?" "Fine thank. have a nice day" or something to that effect, then you are wasting your time.

    11. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by Suidae · · Score: 1

      because it means 100 different things depending on what you should really be asking.

      This is the kind of response I would expect from an engineer. I don't mean that in a bad way, just that it is typical of people who tend to focus more on machines and processes rather than interpersonal relationships and social situations. The ability to ask a question in a way that allows the responder some choice in the context is a valuable social skill. Unless you are dealing with engineers of course, they tend to prefer specifics.

      Managers, good ones anyway, will try to foster some kind of agreeable but loose social interaction with the people they manage. With most people this is a simple matter of asking an open-ended question or two to encourage participation in 'small talk', the function of which is to allow the participants to recognize a loose social bond where no other interaction is normally required (i.e., the participants don't have a specific reason for social contact, such as a trade, but wish to maintain a social bond so that future interaction, if necessary, will be easier).

      As you note, engineering-types generally find this kind of interaction to be a waste of time. I attribute this to either a lack of knowledge about social interaction and its purpose, or to the lack of need for social bonds to perform their functions (the former often want to interact, but don't know how, the latter usually just don't care about 'empty' interaction and do just fine with others who feel similarly).

      Attitudes like yours are what make traditional managers loath to manage engineering-types. Unfortunately thats their own fault. Engineers are probably easier to manage as long as one tasks them appropriately and recognizes their 'interface specs', as it were.

    12. Re:Obfuscational Rhetoric by barneyfoo · · Score: 1

      that's absurd.

      I was just pointing out that it's more of a reflex to as "how's it going". Whether you meant anything at all by the phrase or not becomes irrelevant.

      How does one deal with a manager according to your rubrick? Does one take a personality test every time a manager is, or isn't, asking you something meaningful? are you put on the spot to come up with a spontaneous answer which makes his own day easier? what if he's just "pretending" to be busy and doesn't want a honest, thoughtful answer? Should I just bullshit him?... maybe I should just bullshit my manager no-matter-what. that seems to be the lesson. thanks.

      Here I come, advancing up the ranks! watch your back dim-witted managers!

  62. Re:A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic by mlk · · Score: 2, Funny
    (If you read this post very carefully, you'll notice that if you remove all the buzzwords, what remains is hogwash. Literally.)

    I did try, but when the blood start to dripping from my ear, I gave up.
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  63. The real difference by tedhiltonhead · · Score: 1

    The difference is simple. A given product or service might have a 10-20% profit margin, but labeling it a "solution" allows a 70-90% margin, not to mention a couple man-weeks of billable hours for "integration".

  64. Get With the Program by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1
    Facts are over-rated. Unless your marketing gets leverage from focused delivery of the enabling concepts of your value proposition to your target demographic, at the end of the day, your enterprise will have no traction.

    For those of you who want a job in marketing, read my book on "Straight-Faced Inanity -- Taming the Sharks in the Global Jungle" (when it comes out).

  65. passion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead, they enable experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive

    Sounds kind of like a goatse experience.

  66. Re:Apple and Microsoft did this because they had t by 0racle · · Score: 1

    That didn't even make me feel better.

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  67. Blame the marketers, not the engineers by catwh0re · · Score: 2
    Engineers are fine calling things A#2343VF or build no. 86.33.059A.

    Unfortunately those don't sell.
    Marketers on the other hand begin with their job title, "I'm a human to product relationship consultant, my work load is scalable while energising each new solution. etc etc"

  68. It is marketing by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And any reasonable person who takes it seriously get what they deserve. It is reducing the rating of the computers perfomance, or even the cars performanace, to a single number. It is invoking the 'single vendor', either as a good or bad thing, to sell MS products. We do not buy furniture, we buy a lifestyle. We do not buy beer, we buy a dudes night out. We show our love not through the daily attention paid to another person, but through the size of diamond or a security system or, as a base, the amount of money we are able to accumulate.

    We know that people buy stuff of spam. I saw a $2 pan being sold as a custom $10 fondue set. MS tells us that employees are incapable of using anything other than MS Windows. Apple tells us that you are a square if you don't use Macs. IBM promises massive profits if you use the complete solution. Sun says that IBM is ripping everyone off. It is game and learning to play it is part of our brand of capitalism.

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  69. recommendation by trs9000 · · Score: 1

    I have found that this company offers excellent, dynamic e-solutions for today's market.

    1. Re:recommendation by Morosoph · · Score: 1

      These guys will offer you real solutions!

  70. it's not just high tech companies either by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 1

    It's not just the high tech companies who do it either. Today, I bought a jar of pickles. An it had a sticker saying how they were "Fat Free". One of these days they'll sell us water bottles, with stickers saying how it is "fat free" "no choleterol" "No trans fats" "no carbs" and charging a premium for it.

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  71. Marketing is necessary by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Marketing is lies, more lies and damned lies in a pretty package so you'll put your money and reputation on the line.

    A company that doesn't let potential customers know about its products will usually die quickly. This is a fundamental business truth that is often obscured by the obnoxious and sometimes deliberately misleading actions of marketers. Think of the number of great applications, for example, that don't do well in the market because the people behind the apps didn't have effective marketing.

    If your company can make good products that match the expectations you set with your marketing, then you're good to go. The problem is that so many companies don't understand that if you overpromise and underdeliver, people will wise up. It may take years, but eventually they'll grow suspicious of your exorbitant promises.

    What is really sad is the scenario you outlined, in which the people who can best judge the effectiveness of a product are kept out of the decisionmaking part of the purchase process. That sounds like an internal management problem, in that the managers at your company aren't listening to the people in the trenches who will actually be working with it.

    In my experience, scumbag marketers and salespeople are only successful when the people at the buying end suffer from overdeveloped credulity.

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    1. Re:Marketing is necessary by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      marketing however should not be lying about what your product does.

      marketers like bullshit speak that doesn't mean anything because you can tell all these great things about your product, without actually promising anything _real_.

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    2. Re:Marketing is necessary by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting
      marketing however should not be lying about what your product does.

      Of course marketers shouldn't lie. Usually they don't. Instead, they use broad, vague terms that can seldom be disproven. "Well, when we said our product could integrate with Snaftech System 3000 servers, we were correct. You need the Goatbleat 150 Converter in order to obtain full functionality, but you can still connect to the Snaftech 3000 using our product. It all depends on how you define the word 'integrate' I guess."

      As the world becomes more complex, it becomes more and more difficult for marketers (who are supposed to sell product) to get people to get people to understand what their product does before they move on to the next product. Potential customers present a limited window of opportunity.

      One way to deal with this is to take the straight-shooter approach. You don't overstate what your product can do, and you consciously set realistic expectations. Companies that operate in this fashion are almost always a surprise, because they seem so rare these days.

      The other approach is to come as close to lying as possible without doing so in an overt fashion.

      If someone's job is to get you to buy a product, marketing and sales people who operate in a freewheeling, "just sell the damn things" environment will bend the truth wherever they can. Ultimately in my experience, the culture in the marketing department is a *direct* reflection of the example provided by the executive team. If they want results at any cost, principled marketing and sales people will be weeded out.

      [soapbox] So many public companies operate this way because they've been conditioned to do so by the Cult of Shareholder Value, which states that as long as the company is making money in the short term, (i.e. - rewarding shareholders) then the company is doing well. Hardly anyone things about the effect of their decisions beyond the current fiscal quarter. The result is the continuing decline of integrity.[/soapbox]

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  72. Reminds me of .Net by ydra2 · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know what .Net was supposed to be, in plain English? I know it was some kind of framework that enhanced innovation and complimented content delivery services or something, but I never heard a real expalnation that made any sense.

    1. Re:Reminds me of .Net by jjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was supposed to be several things:

      1. A language neutral virtual machine that allows developers to code in their language of choice.
      2. A standard library covering everything you'd need, especially for hiding the Win32 API.
      3. A collection of software written to the VM and the standard library that, in virtue of that standardization, would allow for greater interoperability and integration (taking advantage of things like binary compatibility for basic datatypes, for example).
      4. A framework like Passport on steroids that would unify authentication and authorization and data storage over the network (AKA Hailstorm).

      The reason no one really knows, or will ever know, is because, first, every business unit at MS was ordered to find some way, any way, to label themselves as .NET, thus diluting the whole brand before anyone even knew what it was; and second, MS couldn't commit itself to .NET 100%, and as result, many developers are already planning on skipping .NET because Avalon, XAML et al are already in the pipeline for Longhorn.

      It's too bad, in a way. .NET and C# have a lot of good points (if only by fixing Java's obvious shortcomings); a really good standard library to simplify win32 programming is always to be desired. But .NET will never have the ubiquity it needs for the higher order benefits to really pay off. What they should have done with Longhorn was call it "the native .NET OS" or something like that (and announce Longhorn technologies as additions to .NET), so that developers feel that .NET has both longevity and ubiquity. As it stands, MS has fatally undercut .NET by announcing the technologies that will replace it.

      As for what will happen now, .NET will survive for a decade or so as a major but never dominant technology because of points #1 and #2. #3 will see some token uses but never really become a selling point for anything. With Passport's demise, #4 is already dead, and its market is being eaten by things like federated identity management.

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    2. Re:Reminds me of .Net by tshak · · Score: 1

      ...as result, many developers are already planning on skipping .NET because Avalon, XAML et al... As it stands, MS has fatally undercut .NET by announcing the technologies that will replace it.

      Those "technologies that will replace .NET" are being built on top of .NET. And Longhorn is the .NET OS. It's the first OS from MS with .NET included (there's your ubiquity), not to mention many parts of the OS written in C# itself.

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    3. Re:Reminds me of .Net by m0llusk · · Score: 1
      ... A framework like Passport on steroids ...

      Trying to envision a framework that is retaining water and suffering from connective tissue degradation just isn't clarifying this for me. Can you come up with another way of describing this thing like Passport that relates somehow to its function or characteristics?

  73. This article has CLASSIC written all over it. by sanityspeech · · Score: 1

    This story is definitely one for the ages. The links provided in the comments are just AWESOME. I'm posting this comment so that I can easily access it in the future.

    A round of applause for all the participants. To prostoalex, I hope this goes down on your permanent record... :o)

  74. Re:Huh? Apple? by wobblie · · Score: 1
    No, Apple, and Apple fantwits, suck for other reasons.

    Here.

  75. The word "synergy" by Linknoid · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know if the people using synergy actually know what it means, but I'm sick of people on Slashdot treating it as if it's a word without meaning. When two things are synergistic, it means that they produce greater results working together than the combination would seperately. For example, there's a synergy between zinc and vitamin E. If you take either one alone, you won't get the benefit you would if you take both together.

    1. Re:The word "synergy" by dg41 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't make it any less annoying, though (maily through context).

    2. Re:The word "synergy" by Jerf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know if the people using synergy actually know what it means,

      If I'm reading the cards correctly (on rather scanty hints), the reason that "synergy" has become such a Dirty Word amoung us realists is that while synergy is a real thing and can have outstanding benefits, in its typical use it is almost always indicates a suicide pact in progress. "Synergy" is typically used as the major reason behind a merger, and "synergy" mergers almost always fail because of the underestimation of both companies of the difficulty in merging cultures.

      (Culture is such a soft, fuzzy thing, right, and it couldn't be hard at all to make everything mesh, right? You'd think so, because it's basically impossible to put into words why it is difficult (at least not without it sounding silly or trivial), thus for many people not accostomed to thinking without words it is also impossible to think. Nevertheless, history shows it is so difficult it may border on the impossible for sufficiently large companies.)

      AOL + Time Warner is probably one of the biggest examples of this. Sure, on paper the synergy was mind-blowing. In reality, the combined company was completely unable to execute. (In fact, the lack of execution almost completely boggles the mind.)

      "Synergy" seems to lead a lot of companies to doom; they see the benefits but fail to see the costs.

    3. Re:The word "synergy" by Bill+Currie · · Score: 1

      that sounds like a synergy of the negative aspects of the two companies, rather than the positive ones. eg (don't shoot me for the math, ok?:) -2 + -2 -> -5 rather than the expected 2 + 2 -> 5.

      I just checked "dict", and though the primary entry does indicate combining healthy aspects, I see no requirement for positive synergy.

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    4. Re:The word "synergy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because there is already a term for it; it's called 'catalyst'.

    5. Re:The word "synergy" by KontinMonet · · Score: 1

      It's a horribly overused word. I've seen it used when one company we were considering working with had a library that they claimed would speed up the development process because it provided 'synergy' with what we were doing. Superficially, perhaps. But looking at the detail, it became obvious it would just get in the way.

      And that's the problem. The word is used when people don't have the details. And how can a sales blurb know, for certain, that whatever they are selling will provide 'synergy'. It's a stupid thing to claim.

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    6. Re:The word "synergy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, there's a synergy between zinc and vitamin E.

      Don't you mean, selenium and vitamins E?

    7. Re:The word "synergy" by Suidae · · Score: 1

      Culture is such a soft, fuzzy thing, right, and it couldn't be hard at all to make everything mesh, right? You'd think so, because it's basically impossible to put into words why it is difficult

      I've always considered the science of human social dynamics to be one of the fields that has the greatest potential of all the sciences. We don't yet have the knowledge necessary to analyse and make predictions about social situations in a rigirous way, but when we do the benefits will be enormous. The lack of vocabulary to describe specific recurring patterns in a social setting is one of the indicators that we haven't yet documented and understood the system. There are names for some small-scale situations, e.g., 'third wheel', 'threesome', 'company christmas party' (the latter being the most henious), and many more, but there is a notable lack of formal theory about how the recognized elements fit together and react to each other.

      Unfortunately part of the issue with studying this field is that its goal to better understand how to achieve, um, synergistic social engineering solutions will be seen by many to be a form of mind control, tinfoil hat and black helicopter stuff. In a way, it is, and it could certainly be abused so that certain organizations could achieve their own ends at the expense of others, however, that already happens. This is the kind of tool that would allow more people to analyze and understand what other people are trying to make happen.

      Why, yes, I have recently read the Foundation series.

    8. Re:The word "synergy" by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I don't know if the people using synergy actually know what it means, but I'm sick of people on Slashdot treating it as if it's a word without meaning.

      It has a meaning, but the word has been over used and abused to the point that it conveys no additional meaning. Sure, there is a synergy between gasoline and cars. A car with no petrol and petrol with no car will get you nowhere, but add the fuel to the car, and you are in great shape. But it would sound stupid to talk about going to the local refueling station to synergize your car with gasoline. The "synergies" are everywhere. A keyboard and a computer have synergies. A keyboard with no computer is pretty much useless, and a computer is much more useful with a keyboard. So, should we sit around all day discussing the synergies of computers with keyboards?

      Every piece of software has synergy with hardware. One won't be useful without the other. Every service provider has synergy with customers (assuming their service is actually useful) as any association helps both companies. As such, nearly everything in the IT industry has a "synergy" with nearly everything else, so the word may have a meaning, but its use does not add additional meaning in most cases, making it useless.

  76. Pentagon Spurned Plan to Initiate Enemy Homosexual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pentagon Spurned Plan to Initiate Enemy Homosexuality
    Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:00 PM ET

    By Jim Wolf

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military rejected a 1994 proposal to develop an "aphrodisiac" to spur homosexual activity among enemy troops but is hard at work on other less-than-lethal weapons, defense officials said on Sunday.

    The idea of fostering homosexuality among the enemy figured in a declassified six-year, $7.5 million request from a laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio for funding of non-lethal chemical weapon research.

    The proposal, disclosed in response to a Freedom of Information request, called for developing chemicals affecting human behavior "so that discipline and morale in enemy units is adversely affected."

    "One distasteful but completely non-lethal example would be strong aphrodisiacs, especially if the chemical also caused homosexual behavior," said the document, obtained by the Sunshine Project. The watchdog group posted the partly blacked-out, three-page document on its Web site.

    Lt. Col. Barry Venable of the Army, a Defense Department spokesman, said: "This suggestion arose essentially from a brainstorming session, and it was rejected out of hand."

    The Air Force Research Laboratory also suggested using chemicals that could be sprayed on enemy positions to attract stinging and biting bugs, rodents and larger animals.

    Another idea involved creating "severe and lasting halitosis" to help sniff out fighters trying to blend with civilians.

    The U.S. military remains committed to developing less-than-lethal weapons that pass stringent legal reviews and are consistent with international treaties, said Captain Dan McSweeny of the Marine Corps, a spokesman for the Pentagon unit spearheading their introduction.

    "We feel it's very important to offer our deployed service members and their commanders a greater range of options in dealing with increasingly complex operational environments," said McSweeny, of the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate.

  77. Why "solutions" rather than concrete technology by dbrower · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A "solution" sale leads one to higher "value based pricing", where a technology sale leads one to "cost based pricing".

    For someone on the selling side, it's more profitable to sell value-based 'solutions' rather than technology where he has to compete on price.

    For someone on the buying side, getting a "solution" may be more expensive, or it may be cheaper if one doesn't want to be ones own integrator and support department. You are basically paying for reduced hassle. The trick is quantifying the value of your own hassle, and the liklihood the 'solution' will have its own hassles, and their cost. Different people will evalutate these things differently.

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    1. Re:Why "solutions" rather than concrete technology by Mudcathi · · Score: 1
      Different people will evalutate these things differently.

      Mark: Wow, it really looked like that dwarf half-alligator Gypsy lady had a beard!

      PT Barnum: Sucker! (checks watch)another 60 seconds 'til the next one is born...

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  78. i cant take it anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what the fuck is this world coming to. burn it to the ground now!!!!!!!

  79. I've seen this go both ways. by wasted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know of small busines CEOs/CIOs that look for specifics. Those that try to sell buzzwords don't get the sale, and salespersons with hardware/software knowledge have a decent chance. Often, though, the small-business IT staff will have found the optimum product(s) to solve the problem and already have the purchase order ready to sign as soon as the problem is diagnosed. That is true adaptability and flexibility in my humble opinion.

    I also know of people who would make Dilbert's PHB look like a genius. I've seen one business with a division that was losing to a competitor in many areas, with their IT lag seriously hurting their situation. That business did not realize that their IT was causing a problem with customers, even though it was painfully obvious.

    I have also met IT sales staff people who were reprimanded for giving specifics (such as cables, switches, routers, hubs, NICs, CDs, and licenses,) instead of using the term "solution" when presenting the cost estimate to the CIOs of companies who were interested in their product.

    I think too many people have sat through too many marketing classes without learning anything, and this is the result. Sales people are instructed to sell a solution to a problem instead of the actual product, and a lot of CEOs and a few CIOs know they have a problem without knowing the cause, and just want a solution. Consequently, solutions have a higher margin than products, even if the product is exactly the same as the solution.

    Or, I could be wrong, and PHBs are only a figment of Mr. Adam's imagination.

    1. Re:I've seen this go both ways. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "I know of small busines CEOs/CIOs that look for specifics."

      This just in: it is possible to post to Slashdot from parallel dimensions.

      "I also know of people who would make Dilbert's PHB look like a genius."

      That sounds more like MY universe...

      "Sales people are instructed to sell a solution to a problem instead of the actual product..."

      Actually (and I'm not trying to be funny here, not that I succeeded earlier) a good sales person is supposed to sell a solution to a problem rather than just a product. The problem is sales people who view one product as the only solution, rather than explore a range of possibilities and find the optimal price/function point that best suits the customer, since they tend to exploit the ignorance of non-technical managerial types.

      But this isn't just limited to sales vermin!

      Take all the geeks who push Linux here on /.: some user just want to open the box, plug it in, switch it on and get going without having to make thousands of choices or research which distro is the "best". Then there's the Windows fanboys: you might find it easy installing anti-virus and anti-spyware software, configuring firewalls, etc, but some people don't want all that (see the recent article about people "giving up" on the internet). And of course Mac nut-jobs aren't any different: some people like being able to tweak their hardware, configure the OS to their taste, play all the latest games, and so on.*

      The message here is "horses for courses"; don't assume that you know what someone wants better than they do (even if they wouldn't know a CPU from a seeping ewe), don't let bias cloud recommendations. Advocate, yes, but glossing over any difficulties a given user might face, or ignoring the basic reason someone has for making a purchase is irresponsible, whether on a personal or professional level.

      *Disclaimer: I'm a Mac nut-job. That doesn't mean I can't see potential problems for others with Macs, just that none of those problems matter to me.

    2. Re:I've seen this go both ways. by mr.+methane · · Score: 1

      The buzzword-laden product descriptions are universal, even in consumer products - even if the terms are slightly different. My experience is that if a sales rep doesn't have much information to go on (i.e. what the actual problem is and what's requested) they go with whatever they have.

      Most companies, even the "usual suspects" when it comes to vagueness, will be responsive to customers who know what they want to do, even if they're not sure how to do it. But, there are some reps who have tried to put on an hour-long monologue when all I want is cost per (workstation, user, megabit, whichever). The only time I actually lost my temper at a sales guy is when he tried to slide in a pretty huge price increase 40 pages back into a 50-page fluff presentation.

      I guess part of the reason for the buzzword phenomenon is that people have often made a purchase decision (about software, a car, a television) and they just want to hear what a good decision they are making.

    3. Re:I've seen this go both ways. by northcat · · Score: 1

      Dude, your post contains more buzzwords than Bill Gates on a can of peanut butter.

  80. Re:Spin, not technical meat by Skidge · · Score: 1

    I rarely even bother reading any product/service information that comes from the producer of that product or service, since it is so often full of non-information and spin that it practically useless. Thankfully, the web tends to be a good source of info, than, when taken with a grain of salt and compiled from various places, can lead to much more informed decisions than buzzword-laden marketing materials.

  81. I disagree by wasted · · Score: 1

    Many of the folks selling solutions are selling the same products to everyone, and calling the combination of items included "the solution". For instance, if they are going to sell you a network solution, it is probably going to contain a combination of NICs, switches/routers/hubs, appropriate cables, and associated software. When you write the purchase order/contract, it will more than likely state that the provider will include a specific number of specific items at specific cost, payable at a specific date, possibly with a discount for paying early. Others who purchase "solutions" from the same company with just get a different combination of NICs, switches/routers/hubs, appropriate cables, and associated software, much like everyone who shops at Tom Thumb Grocery will get a different combination of food in their cart. Of course, Tom Thumb Grocery does not refer to themselves as a "hunger solution."

    I know there are some companies, such as this one that guarantees uptime instead of selling products, for example, that actually take the solutions approach. I believe they are an exception rather than the rule, however.

  82. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by SunFan · · Score: 1

    I can't think of a better word to describe something as highly functional as scalable...

    The problem is that "scalable" could be visualized as a 15-foot bulls-eye only five feet away from the developers, and they still miss.

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  83. No, they would sue you for giving them buzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there nothing that they won't do to keep themselves in the press?

    Apple: Stop suing college students and stop paying trolls to plug you on /.

  84. Legal 101.... by Duncan3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you let marketing promise things, you will get sued, because that's probably not what engineering built.

    Look at the iPod shuffle, marketing thought it was edible, before the webmaster caught it ;)

    So, let marketing spew their BS, just unspecific buzzword BS, and everyone is happy except the customer.

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  85. news for nerds by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    I think you were confused here michael. I don't even think the Enterprise in the title is the Starship that all the nerds care about.

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  86. Casting stones by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


    What does this product describe?

    The [solution] de-mystifies the high-tech world and gives you a competitive edge.

    Really? What's meant, exactly, by "giving a competitive edge"? That's from Freedman's own site, promoting his own book.

    Really, some hyperbole is to be expected. Yes, I get annoyed too, when I'm looking at a product manual that touts a "solution" but it doesn't mention the "problem"; but most company brochures shouldn't be a thesis, in, say, RAID theory or IPSec. For that, you need to read a manual or a spec, and that takes more than the 3 pages allocated to a brochure.

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    1. Re:Casting stones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gives you a stab with its competitive edge right under your ribs.

  87. I didn't need to know that. by leonbrooks · · Score: 1, Troll

    The missing words being "GNAA" and "sodomy". The same speil from a "real" company would actually be interesting to link to. Or read at an office party.

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    1. Re:I didn't need to know that. by Kethinov · · Score: 1
      How is parent a troll? He speaks the truth.

      Lo and behold, the source, which btw, is not obscene. But I wouldn't follow to many of the other links on that page. ;)

      Directly quoted,
      GNAA leverages core skillsets and world-class team synergy through sodomy to provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled e-business application product suite e-solution architectures that accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the e-readiness capabilities of their e-commerce production environments across the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and taking them to the next level.
      If you don't believe me, follow the damn link. Parent is not trolling.
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  88. Re:FP Bitches by tomofdarknesss · · Score: 1

    huh?

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  89. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Spoing · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. I would say most of what he sites is pretty silly, but "Scalable?"

    It's not the words. The words are good. It's how they are used, misunderstood, and misused.

    Fortunately, I mostly deal with people who admit they don't know much of what's out there -- it's silly to claim you do since there's so much tech out there it's just not possible.

    The people who cover up what they do/do not know in an attempt to look "smart" are a big problem. These people either think they know it all or don't want anyone to know that they don't. They don't listen. They aren't curious. They get angry or dismissive or just talk right past you as if "we're all in agreement". Meanwhile, they don't know what you're talking about -- and don't want you to know it. The worst ones are actively ignorant -- pushing bad opinions around and acting on them unilaterally.

    These folks never ask questions like "What is that?", "How does it work?", "What's it like?", or "Can you give me an example?". If you ask them these types of questions, they will look at you strange. It's like middleschool all over again.

    Had a guy the other day tell me "Good! You're using an all Microsoft solution!" when I mentioned that the web site was developed using Coldfusion. Having delt with this guy a few dozen times, I knew it was useless to correct him. While it's true that you can run Coldfusion on Windows, in this case it wasn't running under Windows...let alone CF being a Macromedia product not a Microsoft one.

    Unfortunately, I have to deal with this guy because he has his claws in the small business I'm helping out. Part of his stupidity might be from the panic I feel talking to him; he knows I could take his business away. That I don't care to doesn't seem to matter to him -- I *could do it*. You can bet I'm going to limit my exposure to him.

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  90. Evading Reality... by eRondeau · · Score: 1

    I like to think I need to "Optimize my Form Factor". Others think I just need to eat more salads.

  91. Re:A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic by value_added · · Score: 1

    "(If you read this post very carefully, you'll notice that if you remove all the buzzwords, what remains is hogwash. Literally.)"

    Shit. Glad you told me. I was going to send you money for your idea.

  92. Re:A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

    er... wouldn't it be "hogswash"?

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  93. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

    One thing that bugs me is "vertical" and "horizontal".

    Dictionary.com:

    "Economics. Relating to or involving all stages from production to sale: vertical integration."

    To be honest, I don't understand why that word was chosen.

    I HATE "blog". Somehow, it strikes me as a very clumsy word, even for the English language, which is a clumsy amalgamation of too many source languages.

  94. Compared to what, car companies? by Nice2Cats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This has nothing to do with computers and everything to do with marketing. In fact, computer marketing is still pretty cerebral compared to what car builders do: Stupid films with their products ripping up the lane markers, stupid films with their pickup trucks getting loaded up to the brim with more rocks than will fit in the average garden...

    Check out how many car ads have semi-naked women running around in them, drooling at the sight of a man behind the steering wheel. Now, I'm the last person to object to semi-naked women, and under the right circumstances, I could probably take the drooling, but just what does this have to do with the product?

    Right, nothing. Pure marketing. I'm sure the time will come when computers will be marketed with sex, too, but until then, keep in mind that we've still got it good.

    1. Re:Compared to what, car companies? by Shannon+Love · · Score: 1
      Cars are marketed as they are because the technology has reached the point where all the marginal value, and therefor the profit, lays not in the technology of the vehicle but in its styling and social functions.

      For the ordinary car buyer, the functional technologies in the car are largely interchangeable from brand to brand. Many people, especially in the demographics who respond to mass media advertisement in general, make their purchasing decision based on how they believe the vehicle will help their social life. As a consequence, car ads portray the vehicle in social situations or in activities that will attract attention.

  95. Overclocking? by shish · · Score: 1

    It seems that most of these products being advertised are the big business equivalent of covering your server in go-faster stripes...

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  96. Examples? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

    "experiences, optimize agility or make people's passions come alive"

    Sounds pretty much like sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.

  97. My favorite solution by techno-vampire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Caffine dissolved in water.

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  98. "synchronized" by Animats · · Score: 1

    A recent addition to the buzzword lexicon is "synchronized". That refers to Detroit-type assembly lines, where assembly steps really are synchronized and there's a fixed cycle time. The people using the term today probably mean something else, but it's not clear what it is.

  99. Mod parent down!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    (company) leverages core skillsets and world-class team synergy . . .

    A simple google search shows this to be a mock company with a biggoted name. This is an esspecially inapropriate reference given the holiday weekend we are celebrating.
  100. That must be HP CEO Carly Fiorina by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    I mean, what a corporate robot doubleplusgood duckspeaker! I recall reading an interview in I believe it was PC World or some other lame pc mag, and I was fascinated by her unnatural and highly euphemistic responses.

    Learning to speak like that must be like learning a new language.

  101. Literally?? by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you've missed the definition of the word 'literally'. You haven't used the word hogwash anywhere else in that piece, than in your explanatory conclusion. Therefore, you should say 'essentially nothing' or some such, instead of 'literally hogwash'.

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    1. Re:Literally?? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      On the contrary. It doesn't use the actual word "hogwash", but if you read it carefully, you will see that the entire piece is, indeed, about washing a hog.

      Chris Mattern

  102. Bugs and Issues by BinBoy · · Score: 1

    I hate when bugs are called "issues." Bugs are nasty and should have a nasty name. Renaming them is like trying to hide the problem instead of fixing it.

    1. Re:Bugs and Issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - We're working on this issue.
      - Sorry, I'm not interested in resolving some issue. Call me back when you've fixed the bug. Until then we switch to competition software.

    2. Re:Bugs and Issues by Taladar · · Score: 1

      It is better than calling them "features"

  103. Re:Huh? Apple? by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 1

    And you wonder why most people can't stand Apple fanboys.

  104. Enterprise Buzzword Solutions? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I thought this was going to be a way to be rid of the buzzword 'synergy'.

  105. You forgot Natalie Portman, insensitive clod! by melted · · Score: 1

    You forgot Natalie Portman, insensitive clod!

    1. Re:You forgot Natalie Portman, insensitive clod! by Karellen · · Score: 1

      He must be new here.

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  106. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

    "blog" - Supposed to be short for Web Log - why wasn't WOG choosen just as easily?

    Blog annoys me, but what REALLY annoys me is the untech savvy trying to tell me what a BLOG is, when they didn't even know it was supposed to be short for "Web Log".

    My web-server logs traffic. That's a web-log, too. Why isn't it a blog? Because the word "Blog" is stupid, that's why.

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  107. Problem vs. issue - usage tips by alienmole · · Score: 1

    If it's a pre-existing problem that the customer has, or a problem with a competitor's product, then it's a Problem and you can play that up all you want, because you're claiming to offer the solution.

    However, if it's a problem with *your* product, then you call it an Issue, because you're a Solution provider by definition, not a Problem provider.

    Unfortunately, in all but the simplest or freshest situations, it's all but impossible to disclaim all responsibility for a given Problem, so it's safer just to call them all Issues.

  108. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Tony-A · · Score: 1

    So ... uh... blah.
    Agreed. ... jargon is useful.
    Until the terms are overused and misused so much they become without meaning.

    One of my "favorites" is supported. I've seen something claimed to be supported where the "support" was to turn the feature off.

    I suspect that "blog" does have a specific meaning, somewhat similar to jog, actually. A blog is part of a fad whereas the other terms will retain their meanings after the fad has passed into oblivion.

  109. Re:Examples? This is Not New by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1
    Back in the 1950's they would say things like:

    We've mother-henned this idea and it's ready to hatch.

    Let's throw this log on the fire and watch it spit back.

    If we run this one up the right flagpole, everyone will salute.

  110. Abuse the Language by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orwell said it much better than i ever could. Read the essay at http://eserver.org/langs/politics-english-language .txt

  111. Re:hide the problem instead of fixing it by zmollusc · · Score: 1

    Changing the way a problem is viewed is much easier and cheaper than fixing it. Welcome to the modern world.

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  112. Microsoft's leaflet. by Vo0k · · Score: 2, Funny


    I remember a slogan from Microsoft's leaflet.

    (some MS product) makes your work interesting.

    Note: Not more efficient. Not easier. Not faster. Not higher quality. Not less tiring.
    Exactly: "interesting". As in "WTF? Who would expect that option THERE?!" "Uh.... Not quite what I wanted, but interesting nevertheless". "And what does the picture on THAT icon mean?" "Maybe THIS option will do what I want? No? Maybe this one then?"
    It was really interesting to follow an official Microsoft's troubleshooting guide on some problem, some 60 steps like "open this, click that, select this, scroll down to that, doubleclick this, rightclick that and pick option n, then press button X" only to realize around step 40 that there's no button X where it was supposed to be according to the guide.
    Not really efficient. Rather annoying. Completely futile. But interesting nevertheless.

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  113. Let's see... by mrbarkeeper · · Score: 0
    Scalable Enterprise Buzzword Solutions? Let's see...

    No wireless. Less buzzwords than IBM. Lame.

  114. Re:Pentagon Spurned Plan to Initiate Enemy Homosex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now why do they expect the homosexual behaviour will happen between enemy soldiers, and i.e. every enemy platoon won't be assigned one or two american POWs to satisfy the urges of the soldiers?

    Oh, yes, this would work as a great "morale booster" for our boys. Just imagine "They sprayed them tonight from the plane. Under NO circumstances let them catch you alive, or else..."

  115. So what-Your neighborhood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Just ask your local web engineer."

    Spiderman's on the payroll?

  116. Two words: by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

    Compression artifacts. Don't use JPEG for text. Really. Don't.

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  117. it NEEDS to go both ways by ninji · · Score: 1

    As you say, some people only look for the techinical information and everything else techs look for, and alot more sales go to those likely to be induced by buzzwords. The point is Use both, just like microsoft and apple and the rest, say Complete Enterprise Solution, and then describe in technical detail, what that solution is.

    It's not that they are focusing purely on these buzzwords, they are just using them for what they are worth.

    Granted, overuse can easily cause amiguity in what that title means, but from a business standpoint, it's what works.

  118. Bill Hicks Had It Right-Rodney King. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This jealousy has to stop right here and now."

    Don't you get the feeling that people simply don't get along? IT hating managers. Mangers hating coders. Managers hating other managers. Mangers hating higher-ups. CEO's hating other CEOs. And customers hating the whole thing. Governments hating other governments. And when FTL is invented. It'll be planets hating other planets. Makes you wonder how come we don't all go on an orgy of destruction, and simply wipe ourselves out (assuming nature doesn't beat us to it). Ignorance is bliss, till the bill comes due.

  119. Key: by Vo0k · · Score: 1


    Enterprise: Price +100%
    Professional: Price +80%
    Solution: Price based on predicted profit, not cost
    Robust: Price +40%
    Scalable: Price +30%
    Synchronous: Price +5%
    Asynchronous: Price +10%
    Crossplatform: Price +40%
    Groundbreaking: Price +150% for next 3 months.
    Cutting-edge: Price +50% for next 6 months.
    Modern: Price +30% for next 3 years
    Obsolete: Price will only keep raising from now on.
    Mission-critical: Price +300%, you can sue us for screw-up.
    Safety: Price +500%, you can sue us if you survive.
    Strategical: Price +100%, you can sue us for too long tongue.
    Aggressive: Price +30%
    Creative: Price +20%
    Exciting: Price +20%
    Confidence: Price +40%, you can believe you can sue us.
    Secure: Price +50%, you can sue the insurance company.
    Award-winning: Price +40%, we have friends up there.
    Consulting: Price -10%, you do all the work.
    Support: Price +20%, manual included.
    Analysis: Price +30%, you're likely to believe what we say.
    Feel: Price +40%.
    e-*: Price +40%, uses MSIE.
    Research: Price +10% for every month it takes.
    Design: Price +20%, can be shown on parties.
    Report: Price +30%, you get the paperwork we don't need anymore.
    Success: Price +30%, you're a sucker.
    Global: Price +40%, our boss has a villa in Italy.
    Targetted: Price -10%, efficiency -80%.
    Economy: Price -20%, quality -95%
    Intelligent: Price +70%
    Cost-efficient: Price +40% in hidden costs.
    Competitive: Price +30%, all spent on nuking the competition to hell.
    Unique: Price +90%

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  120. Re:A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic by Thumpnugget · · Score: 1

    (If you read this post very carefully, you'll notice that if you remove all the buzzwords, what remains is hogwash. Literally.)

    If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

    Lawyers and marketiers deserve the same slow boat to the deepest circle of hell, in my opinion.

    Oh, wait... unless I need one to get me out of trouble or swindle some other fool out of a whole bunch of money on my behalf. In that case, they should get a handsome reward and deserve a holiday in their favorite place of leisure.

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  121. Red Herring Strikes Again by queenb**ch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's not about dumbing things down for the geeks, it's about dumbing things down for the MBA's in the board room (you've seen the FedEx commercial??). They don't know a widget from a gizmo or a packet from a frame. Having techincal sounding words they can say and sort of understand makes them feel important. They are generally excluded from our circle and this makes them feel like they are "in" (even though we all know they'll NEVER be "in").

    All you have to do is either price it be below their signature limit or make it sound good enough that the next guy up the chain, who has sufficient purchasing authority, will sign the PO.

    When stuff like this actually starts making it to slashdot, we're doomed.

    2 cents,

    Queen B

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  122. Very few managers know what they are doing. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Very few managers of technology companies have the technical understanding they need to do their jobs well.

  123. Should be like this: by SolitaryMan · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, all your base are imagining an ad-hoc beowulf cluster of old korean overlords welcoming YOU, insensitive clods!

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  124. Re:Apple and Microsoft did this because they had t by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

    Wow! Your thinking outside the box just brought us into a whole new paradigm!

  125. Quick Question by Associate · · Score: 1

    So is it OK to use those buzz words or better yet one of the generators on your resume'?

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  126. Problem #1 by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sorta makes me wonder how did those upper management types start wanting buzzwords to start with. But more importantly, this hurts this industry in pretty perverse ways, not just in the obvious "so the biggest liar gets the sale."

    For example time after time again, we run into the perverse problem that PHBs don't just prefer bullshit bingo to technical specs. They think that technical specs _are_ pretentious bullshit buzzwords.

    For example, if I say that a program is based on MDB (Message Driven Beans) and SOAP, it really means "it complies with the EJB specs, the whole book that that spec is, especially the part about messaging. Which also tells you that you need a J2EE application server to run it. And you have this other SOAP spec that tells you _exactly_ the message format _and_ how to parse it, in case your engineers need it."

    I.e., there's a lot of technical information condensed into those two words. (MDB and SOAP.) I _could_ copy and paste the whole specs, or just use those abbreviations to tell people where to look for all the technical details.

    But try telling "based on EJB and SOAP" to a management or marketting PHB, and they won't even think "bah, I don't have time for technical details." They won't even hear that as technical detail. They'll hear "based on pretentious made-up buzzword 1 and pretentious made-up buzzword 2".

    Somewhere deep down in their psyche, they just "know" that we do nothing all day long but think up buzzwords to intimidate them with.

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    1. Re:Problem #1 by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've come across situations where it's even worse than that - in the opposite direction. A large bank's technical department (usually quite rightly) drove the technical requirements of the department looking at our product.

      But the technical department was completely confused between J2EE and EJBs. This confusion was communicated to the buying department and they then kept accusing us of not understanding J2EE. Our product was being written to J2EE 'standards' but we were not using EJBs.

      Eventually, it dawned on me that both depts. thought J2EE meant EJBs. I then had to spend a lot of effort explaining why they did not need EJBs for this product. It didn't get through to the department looking at our product (it was probably too late by then anyway) and we lost the work (after many months...).

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  127. Problem #2 by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The second big problem I'm seeing is: how the heck did we get to the point where CEOs/CIOs buy bullshit that sounds cool without asking someone who knows?

    I mean, for example, let's take everyone's favourite comparison between computers and cars. So let's say a company, (A) produces cars, and (B) wants to make its own brand-new intranet system.

    And here's the funny part:

    (A) to make cars they actually trust the engineers what should go into that car. If the engineers say they need this and that gear or screw, that's what the company buys. I should hope the CEO doesn't come and say "nope, we just got this cool deal on ship propellers, so you have to use that in the cars from now on."

    (B) to make the software, they proceed to thoroughly ignore and avoid the engineers, buy some bullshit from the biggest liar, and then blame the engineers and admins if it doesn't work.

    It's dunno, like they're affraid to ask. It's like they'd get "STUPID" tattooed on their forehead if they ever asked a technical question, or accepted a recommendation from their own IT department.

    In practice, most of us would actually respect them more.

    I mean, dunno about others, but I don't expect a manager to be a Ph.D. in computers. But I do expect him to be good at his job: management. Which also includes delegating. Whatever he doesn't personally know, or isn't in his job description, his job is to find someone else who knows or can do that. That's what management is all about.

    By contrast someone who just buys crap based on bullshit buzzwords rather than ever asking, is for me a sad clown. He just showed that he's incompetent at doing his own job: management.

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    1. Re:Problem #2 by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1
      how the heck did we get to the point where CEOs/CIOs buy bullshit that sounds cool without asking someone who knows?

      That's easy: CEO/CIO from company 'A' goes to the country club with CEO/CIO from company 'B' and a friend...

      Over a round of golf CEO/CIO 'A' says to CEO/CIO 'B', "We've been pretty good about keeping our costs down - we are still using ' Wordstar' as our word processor. However, my secretary says she is having trouble reading documents from other departments and outside companies. I don't know if that's true or not; what should I do?"

      "Well 'A'", says CEO/CIO 'B' rolling his cigar between stubby fingers, "I'd go with the Microsoft solutions - they cut us a slick deal on lisensing, and we can hold thier *$&#^@ to the fire with our maintenance contract. Not to mention that Bill Gates is a real go-getter! (Reminds me of that Simpson boy - did real good in the junk bond market...) Our engineers approached me about using this 'open source' communist nonsense, and I told them if I couldn't hold someone's *)#(&# to the fire (or I should say someone with money) - eh Fenton?"

      Lawyer Fenton, on retainer to 'B's company, looks up from scrubbing his golf balls, "Absolutely - always best to have someone with deep pockets we can sue the heck out of if their @#%^@! enterprise solution falls on its @#$$%##..."


      ~FIN~
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  128. Solutions by ledow · · Score: 1

    I know that I pass a company on the M25 (a big, circular car park around London) that has this as the only writing on it's building:

    "Sericol: More than ink... solutions."

    And I have deliberately avoided actually bothering to look them up and find out what problem it is that they have a solution to.

    I'm guessing that they do something like printing but for all I know, they could sell pens or inkjet cartridges or even process squid.

    I have no idea and the fact that it's emblazoned in ten-foot-high letters clearly visible along the busiest road in Britian doesn't help a jot because of their vague "management-ese", as I like to call it.

    In fact, to me, it's anti-advertising. If you can't be bothered to state clearly what you do, I don't want you or your products/services. If you wrap even your company HQ in nonsense-words, then how can I even begin to trust you to sell me something without bending the truth?

  129. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by northcat · · Score: 1

    Yeah, "blog" sucks. And so does "scalable" and every other buzzword out there. In fact, even "buzzword" sucks. BTW, "blog" sucks less than "scalable".

  130. Re:A Win/Win Proposition for Leveraging Strategic by northcat · · Score: 1

    Dude, you are teh r0x0r!!!
    /me worships

  131. synonomous with "not the same" by cgenman · · Score: 1

    Synergy basically means that two groups are similar but not actually in the same market. AOL and Time Warner might have had some synergys, much like NBC and Microsoft might, but that's not a good reason to merge. You should merge if you're in the same market. Or you're desperately trying to get into eachother's markets for valid reasons. But if your union would produce "synergies," then stay the heck away from merging. Just having synergies means you should stay as two separate suppliers lest you get sucked into something completely outside of each of your fields.

  132. A little, easy to understand example by hsoft · · Score: 1

    I just thought of a little analogy that would help people to get the point. Saying "My software is scalable" is like saying "The earthquake yesterday had a Richter scale". Of course it had a richter scale goddammit, every single earthquake does. Tell me WHAT scale it had, not if it had one or not.

    A word processor is somehow scalable because you can write whatever you want in it.

    The word "Scalable" is a *very* important way to evaluate the quality of a software. However, it is now a buzzword because the marketers denatured it.

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  133. I noticed this... by Cytlid · · Score: 1

    ...when I was setting up SPF for my mail server. I wanted to investigate all possible options. So I looked into spf, and found some tech docs and info on that. Did the same thing for domainkeys. Then it came to Microsoft's SenderID or whatever they're calling it. I get the distinct feeling it's now fused with SPF, or works much like SPF. But you couldn't glean that from their docs on it. To sum it up, paraphrase and change some words, it went something like this:

    "This product is so cool. And I mean not just cool, but amazingly cool. The coolness of this product will impress your friends. When you ask yourself, how cool can I possibly be, we have the coolness answer. Don't let your coolness slip away. Our cool is here now and you can be cool too, and feel cool for year to come with the coolness that lasts."

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  134. Well, _I_ hate the _system_ that created you by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing personal, but I hate the system that created you. More to the point, those idiots you "do lunch" with.

    Business and technical decisions are taken by people _completely_ unqualified, based purely on "oh, I know that guy. We played golf. Let's buy whatever he's selling." Or on "but the nice salesperson said it would solve all the problems, including cancer, AIDS and world hunger." Or here _literally_, and in that manager's own words, a broken product got bought "because it had the nicer powerpoint presentation." (To make it even more surrealistic, a product noone needed.)

    And I've been on the receiving end of that fuck-up entirely too often. Completely dysfunctional "solutions" are bought like that. And then we engineers and admins have to make a completely broken product work. And if it still doesn't, then it obviously has to be our fault. Because the nice salesperson told the PHB that it works, and surely the nice salesperson couldn't have possibly lied to the customer. It must be those mean engineers that sabotage it.

    And even _if_ the problem does eventually get to be acknowledged by the PHB, the next result is more lunches done, more colourful powerpoint foils are presented, and the PHB buys an even more broken v2.0 of the same product. (Or, don't laugh, some PHBs here are looking forward to version 6.0 of a totally broken product.) Surely now all problems are fixed. Because the nice salesperson said so.

    So I can't say I hate you, as such. Where there's a demand, someone creates the supply. I.e., if some PHBs actually want to be lied to and scammed, yep, the system also produced the marketting people who do that. Perfectly normal economics there.

    What I would however like to see fixed is the system.

    For starters, I'd like to see some serious liability in this industry. Because this hiding behind an EULA that says "whatever happened, it's your problem, not ours" is just legalizing bigger and bigger marketting frauds. So I'd like to see people and companies facing a billion sized lawsuit if they mis-represented a product as doing what it really doesn't.

    Also, while I guess one can't outlaw bullshit buzzwords as such, I'd like to see it legally mandatory to clarify (A) exactly what it means, and (B) exactly on what case studies it had that effect.

    E.g., "synergy"? Ok. Between what and what? On what cases did you notice that synergistic effect? And how big was it?

    E.g., "lower TCO"? Fine. On what use case? Compared to what? (Most of this crap would only lower TCO compared to carving that data by hand on stone blocks, like in the Flintstones.) And how much lower was the TCO, then? Does that include the cost of the uber-expensive consultants to make it work, or?

    E.g., "scalable"? Good. Scalable in which way? And in which way is that better than just the plain-old using a cluster and load-balancer?

    Etc.

    Then maybe we'll see _some_ (minimal) honesty in advertising in our lifetimes. And then we nerds wouldn't have to be disgusted by the whole marketting bullshit.

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  135. Bullshit didn't start with the tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Bullshit didn't start with the tech industry - as the parent post points out it affects univerities. Unfortunately it's bullshit, not love nor money that makes the world go around. In fairness to marketing people, they've got to deal with the world as it is and not as we engineers would like it to be.

    Back in 1946, George Orwell was complaining about standards of "modern English" in Politics and the English Language. Get used to it - bullshit was here before us and it'll still be here when we're gone.

    1. Re:Bullshit didn't start with the tech industry by Colourspace · · Score: 1

      "In fairness to marketing people, they've got to deal with the world as it is and not as we engineers would like it to be." Thank you AC. At least someone understands the real world unlike the majority of fanboys and geeks on here.

  136. two companies which need creating: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    companies made of rubber inc.:scalable enterprise solutions
    throw your hard disk out of the window inc.:comprehensive data migration solutions

  137. issues vs problems by jrumney · · Score: 1

    There is an important difference: Problems are challenges to be solved. Issues get logged in issue-tracking to be forgotten forever.

    1. Re:issues vs problems by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Or, "when I don't really care, your problem is merely my issue".

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  138. Can you say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...sarcasm? I knew you could.

  139. A solution should solve a problem by katdesign · · Score: 1

    A big problem with buzzwords is that they annihilate any legitimate use of the word in question. I think it was General Electric's CEO who started the 'Solution' thing by stating that GE does not manufacture electric drills, but manufactures solutions to create holes. This has become a cliché, but it's true nonetheless. It actually means that companies should focus on problems that need to be solved instead of creating products just because they can. Dumb people then take that and turn everything into a 'solution' without thinking about the problems to be solved. I am completely in favour of explaining things in non-technical terminology as much as possible. Making people understand stuff is important, I think. Some people don't want to be taught, however, and others don't know how to simplify. It has no use explaining to a car buyer how ingenious the expensive new fuel pump is if you leave out the facts that it saves fuel, costs less in maintenance and is therefore cheaper in the long run. Some engineers tend to forget that and focus on the technicalities of a product.

  140. If I could wipe you all of the face of the planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just started writing this and immediately heard the question, "Did you get a corporate key id?" being said behind me. Management terms and buzz words are actually the exact opposite to Okham's Razor. They over convolute everything they touch and no one has any clue to what is 'REALLY' going on.

    It's a form of hiding the fact you only have very basic knowledge by obfuscation. It sucks and is a pain in the rear. I work in a large multinational which uses standard buzzwords and then munges them into local buzzwords which get read by managers and then become projects, which get read by higher managers and are synergised into departments and eventually evangualised into policy by the gods higher up.

    So to sftp a document you go through about ten layers of acronyms and regulations, fill out countless forms which were spawn from buzzwords, gape at pointless UML diagrams to find server names and finally discover that you have another department to go through in order to utilise your box's tcp-ip stack.

    It's bogus and they really should all be shot. I particularly hate Java and windows developers because they feed on this enterprise bs - which has very little to do with calling-it-what-it-is, as opposed to calling it what a bunch of tossers have happend to standardise upon.

    Further I hate standards set by buzzword spewing pillocks. They don't make sense to anyone and when you finally extract the sense that they actually contain you hit on a very abstract text which does not specify anything in any technical detail suited to your working it into your actual software implementation.

    When I write in Java, I speak in English. When I build a web service I kick people who start talking about SOA's. There's no passion anymore, just lots of nonsensical blabbering, made to look really meaningful, trendy and fashionable.

    It's all bs. You have software. You have interfaces. That's it.

    If anything all the BS costs more in its imposition of unnecessary abstraction whereever some enterprise-prick thinks that he can describe something using some exciting sounding methaphore or TLA.

    Shove it up your bottoms, get off the writers back and go read a computer science textbook.

  141. That would be "Problem #3", yes by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "dunno what all those buzzwords mean, but we must have as many of them as possible" kind of mentality. Or as I like to call it: BDA (Buzzword Driven Architecture.)

    They don't know what EJBs are (as illustrated by your example where they didn't know the difference between EJB and J2EE as a whole), but they've read in some IT-for-retards magazine that Sun says EJBs are great. So they must have some.

    And for that matter, XML. And XSLT. (Just writing the data or using a template is soo 1990. Nowadays you _must_ have a small XSLT program which produces the output.) And SOAP. (Every internal call must be SOAP, you know. Just plain-old calling a C++ or Java method is soo outdated.) And have a scalable enterprise messaging framework. (Why just read stuff from a database, when you could send a SOAP message to an MDB to read it, and wait for the asynchronous response?)

    And I've seen more perverse use of buzzwords which aren't even technical terms, but end up being wanted in the project anyway. E.g., "scalable". So you get a client explicitly wanting EJBs in their small web-app, because Sun said it's a scalable architecture. Uh, as opposed to what? As opposed to just using a load-balancer and a cluster, which also scales linearly?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not against EJB, XML, XSLT, JMS or SOAP as such. They have their uses. But like any tool, they're good for one class of problems. Just like you've said, there are plenty of problems which don't need EJB.

    That is, until the client comes with a long list of buzzwords they absolutely must have...

    Though to be entirely honest, _both_ sides are equally guilty in this. There are clueless PHBs who demand buzzwords, yes, but equally there are dishonest programmers using real projects just as a playground to get new buzzwords for their resume. A lot of projects which are just a sad collection of buzzwords, not because the boss wanted to have them, but because someone wanted those buzzwords on his resume.

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  142. Re:Huh? Apple? by labratuk · · Score: 1

    You've got a little bit of shit left on your nose.

    But no, in all fairness we can all understand you wanting to justify your lifestyle decision. Sorry, purchase.

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  143. Professional Selling is Too Good by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    a good sales person is supposed to sell a solution to a problem rather than just a product.

    The problem is that selling has become scientific and professional to the extreme.

    You'd think that selling was designed to deliver the information about the products to the people who actually needed the products, the customers who have carefully and rationally assessed their needs and done their homework.

    Not anymore. No one has time, no one person has all the expertise. And the customers are a bunch of human beings full of emotional hot buttons that can be pushed.

    It's more profitable to sell more, to generate a mythical reality for the customer that makes buying the product an indispensible need, as much as mating or gathering food. And that mythical reality can be quite independent of the customer's actual need for the product based on rational analysis. If deception sells, then deception will flourish. The side effect is what we see - a lot of jaded, skeptical customers.

    Given its prevalence in modern culture, I think it's high time that high school students are taught exactly how marketing works, half because it's a necessary skill these days, and half because it's necessary to inure them against the ploys that they are subject to on a daily basis.

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    1. Re:Professional Selling is Too Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The problem is that selling has become scientific and professional to the extreme."

      Part of the this is the blurring of the distinction between marketing (getting the customer in the door by convincing them they have a need) and sales (making sure the customer goes away happy). The two should never be confused, companies that do risk their reputation. Computing as an industry has a poor history in this regard.

      "You'd think that selling was designed to deliver the information about the products to the people who actually needed the products, the customers who have carefully and rationally assessed their needs...no one person has all the expertise."

      You are absolutely correct; of course we can't expect everyone to be experts. That is why GOOD sales people will adjust their approach to suit the customer. A practical example: go to any computer store staffed by "experts", and pretend to be technically ignorant - actually say you know nothing about computers. A good sales person will ask "what do you see yourself using this for?", and even give examples; a bad sales person will start spouting megahertz, gigabytes, and all kind of statistics that you've just explained that you don't understand. The good sales person will actually prompt the customer to consider their needs using language they are familiar with, the bad one will blind people with jargon. The difference between personal sales and enterprise level sales is simply scale; the process of determining the needs of the customer is exactly the same, some customers simply have more complex demands than others. The crux of good salesmanship should be cutting through the marketing hype (even pointing out complete BS) to reach the customer's core needs. Customers actually respect this*. And sure, marketing pushed emotion buttons, but that doesn't mean sales has to follow suit; in fact, sales should be a voice of reason.

      "If deception sells, then deception will flourish. The side effect is what we see - a lot of jaded, skeptical customers."

      This is why some companies have good reputations and flourish; IBM retains the "old school" structure of having seperate marketing and sales divisions for exatly this reason. Microsoft had a good reputation in the beginning (MBasic was everywhere in its day), but the rot set in with Windows 95 when they realized they could sell any half-functioning piece of dreck and still cause stampedes in stores. WindowsME was a serious wake-up call for them, and the marketing-driven decisions made earlier (like crippling Java in favour of the totally insecure ActiveX framework) are still a major cause of problems. The almost unanimous response to "Where do you want to go today?" was "A place where computers work as promised"; even now Windows is long way from there.

      "I think it's high time that high school students are taught exactly how marketing works"

      Way too late: the record companies have realized already that the most responsive market is the under-14s; Sony have long been using product placement in this market (watch videos by "artists" signed to Sony, they're full of DiscMans, Vaios, Handycams, etc). Its only a matter of time before we see computers and technology marketing aimed at this age group (in fact, for MP3 players its happening now). I think that instead of parents telling their kids "you don't need this", they should be asking "why do you THINK you need this?". Get them thinking...children are actually very good at pondering questions if they're encouraged, and they learn from examples like this far better than they learn from dull, dry lectures.

      FYI: I used to have a job where I had to deal with the local Microsoft rep on a monthly basis, and I made it my business to be as skeptical as possible, even rude at times. And my bosses routinely made sure I wasn't even in the building when the HP rep turned up...

      *A suggestion for anyone in computer retail that hates their job: think of your role as trying to stop people making the wrong choice, rather than trying to

  144. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
    "Good! You're using an all Microsoft solution!"

    I wouldn't buy anything from someone who thinks an all Microsoft solution is a good thing.

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  145. appealing to non-tech-savvy audiences by buss_error · · Score: 2, Funny

    Technical decisions are so much easier without any technicial people involved. (Dilbert)

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  146. I had a boss once... by EvilStein · · Score: 1

    The dude spoke in nothing but buzzwords. I kid you not. He'd say shit like "We're going to activate (name) in this capacity" instead of saying "Oi, Bob! Take some phone calls, eh!"

    5 minutes with this turkey made my head want to explode. If I hear him say "We need to interface offline" ever again, I'm going on a tri-state killing spree.

    Excessive use of buzzwords should be grounds for justifiable homocide.

  147. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I honestly don't think I would even necessarily qualify "scalable" as jargon. Yes, it is most certainly a buzzword, in the sense that it is a word marketing people just love to throw into their literature because it's hot, even if it's not appropriate. However, as its meaning in the technical world exactly matching the most commonly used English definition for the word, tagging it as technobabble seems a little unfair.

  148. It's a specialized language! by autophile · · Score: 1
    The SF book Tomorrow and Tomorrow, by Charles Sheffield, talks about specialty fields becoming so complex and so jargon-filled that they literally become different languages. So, doctors speak "Medicine", of which there are subdialects such as "Neurophysiology".

    So maybe we're seeing the birth of a new language, "Sales". Or maybe "Bullshit".

    If you're planning on reading the book, beware that it looked to me as a futurist essay thinly disguised as a novel about a guy and his cryogenically frozen wife.

    --Rob

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  149. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But saying just "scalable" is saying nothing. Pretty much everything scales to some degree. What matters is how well it scales.

    Also, what's wrong with using the verb "scale"?

  150. IBM: solution to drug problems ;-) by henni16 · · Score: 1

    Just had to think of a joke an IBM(!)/Lotus instructor told me during some course:
    Q: How can we solve the drug problem?
    A: Leaglize drug selling, let IBM do all the markerting.

  151. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 1

    I can't think of a better word to describe something as highly functional as scalable

    Sure, if the word was used properly it would be extremely useful. However, when it's used improperly so often, the word gets diluted, and you start to expect that it's used improperly. I think much of BS-speak starts as a clever and correct use of a word, but then the hordes of PR folk get ahold of it.

  152. Need a refresher course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... on basic algebra? If

    Profit = Your Problem - Our Solution,

    then

    Your Problem = Profit + Our Solution,

    and

    Our Solution = Your Problem - Profit.

  153. Hibernate - good project btw - does this too. by irritating+environme · · Score: 1

    I use hibernate as an example because it actually does do very good stuff, but their front page promises a lot of the classic "comparators without comparisons". I suppose that they do this to "compete", but even good OSS projects do this crap, it has become so universal.

    Powerful (than...????)
    ultra-high performance (compared to...???)
    elegantly (uhhh....what does that mean?)

    other favorites from other projects: seamless, lightweight (farking EVERYTHING is lightweight these days), flexible. And those are the pseudotechnical words that I can see actually meaning something if used properly.

    Hibernate is a powerful, ultra-high performance object/relational persistence and query service for Java. Hibernate lets you develop persistent classes following common Java idiom - including association, inheritance, polymorphism, composition and the Java collections framework. The Hibernate Query Language, designed as a "minimal" object-oriented extension to SQL, provides an elegant bridge between the object and relational worlds. Hibernate also allows you to express queries using native SQL or Java-based Criteria and Example queries. Hibernate is now the most popular object/relational mapping solution for Java.

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  154. Need a refresher course by roman_mir · · Score: 1



    Grandparent's Note - My Joke = You have no sense of humour

  155. Re:Just an old dog not wanting to learn new jargon by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

    I think much of BS-speak starts as a clever and correct use of a word, but then the hordes of PR folk get ahold of it.

    Based on my divergent degrees in and careers in both the black art of PR and the grey art of ISP network engineering, I say, "You're pretty much correct."

    While practicing my former career, I used words "creatively, energetically, and dynamically."

    In my current career, I use them "correctly". I sleep quite a bit better now.

  156. Re: ... the _system_ that created you by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Some years ago, I read an interesting comment on IBM's success. It started with describing the typical presentation, in which the prospective customer asks "How does your product work?" The typical response to this is to dive into technical explanations of how the product works.

    IBM, in contrast, taught their salesmen to respond to "How does it work" with "Just fine."

    This is, of course, what your typical manager with puchasing authority really wants to hear.

    Those other presentations are for the customers' engineers. But engineers are usually not the ones making purchase decisions. If you want to get a signed-off purchase order, you have to sell to the people who make the purchase decision. You have to size them up and talk in a language they understand. If you want to sell to engineering firms, go ahead and polish up your explanations of technical details. If you want to sell to the other 99.99% of companies, IBM's approach is more successful.

    Sorry; that's how the business world works. And yes, it does lead to the well-known phenomenon of workers trying to use a broken product that the boss ordered. In our current business world, that's a problem that really doesn't have a solution (to use a currently-common warning buzzword).

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  157. _I_ didn't mod him a troll... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...but if I had it would have been for the phrase "a company" which while possibly correct in a non-obvious technical sense is quite misleading. I wanted to see a real company run that text with more G-rated text in the blanks, and was sadly disappointed.

    Also, you're incorrect about the verbiage since "Nigger" is obscene in its own way, even when used by people without a melanin deficiency but sporting a chip on their collective shoulder.

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