Copyright law exists. Patent law exists. They have almost nothing in common in terms of the requirements that they put on the public. Trademark law also exists. It has nothing in common with copyright law or patent law about what it requires of the public. So, the idea that there is some general thing which these are instances of already gets people so confused that they cannot understand these issues. There is no such thing. These are three separate unrelated issues, and any attempt to generalise about them guarantees confusion. Everyone who uses the term "intellectual property" is either confused himself or trying to confuse you.
And if someone else says something about "intellectual property", I will not respond directly to what he said without first explaining the confusion buried in it, because you see, the confusion buried in a statement is usually more harmful than whatever may be false that he actually tried to say.
There is a tendency to, we all have it, to follow other people in their choice of terminology. If someone says an outrageous thing and he uses the term intellectual property, you will feel drawn into responding in the same terms. So, learn to resist that temptation.
- Why is it that the truth is only the truth if it makes someone money. Just because you can't make money by believing what is so obvious to true scientists does not make it false. The world's formation by God and the transformation via the Flood are easily seen if you use a truly open SCIENTIFIC mind. That is, consider all the options and see what the evidence BEST fits. You will quickly see that it is not uniformitarianism and evolution.
I don't think you have your definitions right. As Stallmann would suggest, correct your discussion partner first. Science doesn't say "we are right" or "that is wrong," science is about theories predicting observations, or bein cancelled out by observations.
What do you mean "I will quickly see?" How do you know I will convert quickly, if at all? Seems like you are fresh out of indoctrination class.
At a huge uproar in local websites and discussion groups they eventually turned tail. The core of the matter was they denied access to www.skandiabanken.no if your browser reported Linux as OS.
I sent them en email myself, explaining my dad was interested in Linux when he saw how light and fast the XFCE window manager was. just to give them some innsight.
A side notice, recently Skandiabanken was taken over by a bigger company, DNB NOR, I guess they where less idealistic then the original founder.
You're proposing that the car makers all got together and said "Okay, let's not make electric cars in any volume so it doesn't cut into our other products"? You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Why not? We had Windows 95 to ME for generations while Amiga was actually stable and had real pre-emptive multitasking. I had no idea a computer could be that wonderful until I saw my friends Amiga in action. Why didn't people buy it sooner? The tech was literally years ahead.
Maybe servicing and spare parts are good business, guess the service interval on a battery powered electric car. 18 months.
Use that saved service and gasoline on battery service, then you are left with a silent clean vehicle that "takes off" like a spaceship.
Who killed the electric car has better arguments than you (a wikipedia link).
I removed 5GB of bloat (how language files can take 800MB is beyond me, a.dll per language???) and theres a few tweaks like disable UAC. When Microsoft are forced to remove every major app from their OS, and I can strip out unuseful-to-me features I will buy their OS. Uhm no not really, at least not until they stop polluting the protocols.
If the ads and marketing made that impression and can't deliver, then he has the law on his side. Everything advertised must be fulfilled, if I buy a piece of hardware that doesn't support the features it advertises under the advertised OS (i.e. Windows XP) I bring back the piece to the store and get my money back.
I don't really know what www.nvidiaclassaction.org is all about though.
Humans have free will because they can change their behaviour based upon their beliefs of the situation even when that belief is contradicts the apparent situation.
I don't understand, to you mean the computer has to believe something might be there and then make a decision based on that? We could easily place a mask in the room, and have the camera scan the room, see the mask, program believes there is a person watching and chooses 2nd option. But that come down to we can't prove anything, just disprove enough to conclude the theory (someone is watching) is plausible.
Free will is not proven in this situation, or your definition of a free will is different. People may choose different simply because they have different levels of adrenalin or ceretonin, or a mis-firing neuron. I wanted that cake because I belived it taste good, but I chose not to because I belive it makes me fat and I want that less. Simply my knowledge and experience over-powering my genetically inherited love for sugar and fat.
I have no free will. The law dictates what I am allowed to do with my personal time that does not affect anyone else. We live in a police state whose only interest is exploiting the people.
You confuse state with religion. But then again, the majority of Americans belive in the virgin birth of Jesus and George Bush had a baptist (sp) for an advisor God Bless America.
More importantly will this happen instantly in hardware accellerated heaven on the 3d accellerator? Think zero CPU usage free antialiasing, bilinear filtering and buffering and alphablending and super responsive resizing of windows.
In vista, does the file system explorer and UI stuff that comes with the OS take advantage of directX 10?
The only thing that uses Direct3D hardware accelleration is the borders and the animation and frame-buffering of program windows. Everything inside the window like icon and image resizing is very slow and CPU intensive and sometimes cheaply filtered like the resizing of the wallpaper.
This is done for easiest legacy compatibility I think. New programs written exclusively for Vista might have more UI stuff done in hardware accellerated heaven.
What's the deal with you guys going nuts over system requirements of Aero?
Maybe because an OS shouldn't have high system requirements in the first place? It's like bying a new car and the salesman includes glossy lead-rims that turns it into a slow gasoline hog.
And what about power usage and noise? Many people would love a small flash-based and completely silent PC. Some of us have a small WD Raptor SATA HD that is now 50% full just by the Vista installation.
But you probably have your parents pay the electric bills.
If you thought Luna was hilariously bad (I still don't get how Windows fans defend that theme), wait until you come across the puke-worthy blue and seagreen EVERYWHERE in the Vista interface, complete with a 1980s-style animated ribbon swoosh in the corners of the windows.
I still don't get how people can't love the non-glossy and "toyful" blue task bar and green start button. The roundness and matte bluish is very calm and whenever I see a PC with that theme I feel home. Call it toy-ish but I love working with that theme after I've turned off window animation, common tasks in folders, smooth-scroll listboxes, slide-open combo boxes, slide taskbar buttons and everything else that is non-productive.
Ubuntu is also very nice and soft, Suse/KDE I don't have much liking for.
But I agree Vista UI is a disaster. It's slow even on a 3GHz Core 2, the black and glass-glossy theme of Vista is cold and un-inviting and applications columns have many small details and hard edges. With the new toolbar system applications get another line that has a different color and looks out of place making the UI even more messy.
If you try and make it less white by changing window color in classic controls very few windows actually get changed. Very inconsistent, hopefully theres a workaround as white is hard on my eyes and I don't wanto increase the gamma in games and movies then they look washed out.
When the game is launched, the every now and then the user is asked politely if he/she wanto answer a one to five minute survey. He/she is told this survey helps the game developer and publisher keep their online ranking system profitable and functional well beyond the games peak sales time. The survey system is completely optional and you can opt-out in the game settings menu.
I wouldn't mind spending 5 minutes a month to keep such a system up and running, or even fund a future AAA title with just as good voice acting. And I belive many people would, as http://www.tns-gallup.no/ seems to be successfull.
Now instead of screaming "foul" why can't you idiots could open your mind and find up a solution that benefits everybody. Not many Apple users "think different" in here.
Oh, and I already know Sony does the same console-exclusive licensing and attempts to achieve vendor lock-in. But I don't consider Sony a serious monopolist. They may try, but they'll never get to where Microsoft is. And I don't think Microsoft should have a monopoly, either.
An exclusive title isn't vendor lock-in. When Microsofts Xbox cover 80% of the market and start develop a closed propritary signal transfer standard "HURT-SCAM" exclusive to Xbox only (like a 100hz 1080p over fiberoptics), and subsidice TV manufactorers so we see only displays with that and a low-quality composite video standard on the market.
Add some DRM into it and it would be illegal to reverse-engieer thanks to DMCA, and you got Internet Explorer all over again.
Anyone who can come up with an answer to that should win several Nobel prizes. Especially, how does female intuition work? It seems that common sense is gettng inreasingly uncommon these days as well.
(brainfart warning)
I think female intuition is just a buzzword, anyone learning, and more imporantly understanding and reflecting upon something will eventually develop wisdom that seem to guide them to an answer to the problem. In case of female intuition they usually have more intelligence for feelings and body language, in addition they talk alot about and reflect these things with their female friends (I know this well because I have three sisters) thus appearing impressive - or as you would have it intuititative - in certain situations.
Aquiring experience from trial and error and making choices based on that. I "want" that chocolate - but I firmly belive too much sugar and fat make me obesiated and depressed and I don't want that so I choose not to. Experience in this case overpowering the instinct. Instinct that survived and evolved because sweet berries and fruit usually contains vitamins and anti-oxydants, those eating it higher chance of surviving and bringin their DNA to the next generation- It's all about decision-making.
Most parts of our brain controls general body functions and "talents", like when you wanto click that mouse button, you don't consiously ask every nerual transmitter in your brainstem to send a signal to every muscle fibre. A small part is housing our awareness.
Actually, the official requirements for Vista emphasis the graphics processor more than the CPU as they should. Of course, this won't prevent computer salespeople from using Vista to sell Quad-Core systems....
Why should they? Because most of the GUI is bitmaps and vectors stored and rendered on the GPU? Then why is resizing an IE7 window so CPU intensive? Why is icon listing and resizing with File Explorer so jerky in Vista?
I had hoped Vista had a true 3d accellerated GUI but I've tested RC1 with a GeForce 7800 GS 256MB and its much more tearing and jerky then Windows XP is. It seems Vista just adds a texture with transparency, blurring and cubemapping ontop of the old GUI. I get 100% CPU usage in "classic" mode too. Using RC1 drivers from nvidia.com.
Yes everything will die and eventually be reborn it seem. Maybe we will give birth to a new universe, with new starsystems and new monkeys. And then the monkeys wanto know how it all started and oops here we go again!
Maybe they could do as Dune Legacy did, remove the content and include an extractor so you could move over "intellectual properties" yourself:
Several people has earlier questioned the distribution of the dune2 data files as they are not free. Due to this these files has now been removed and work has been started on the extractor which will automaticall extract data from Dune2. This will prevent copyright issues and also decrease the size of data needed to be distributed a lot. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=51 7705
Just add this bind "g" "host_timescale 1.0" bind "q" "host_timescale 0.3" to Steam\SteamApps\username\half-life 2 episode one\episodic\cfg\config.cfg You may need to enable cheats, add a sv_cheats "1" line too.
If this is software then I'm really excited about what a PPU like Ageia PhysX can do. Wreak havoc with explosive projectiles and bullet-time ability among hordes of monsters with no dip in framerate or realism. Of course, as business must grow, GPU makers like nVidia and ATI doesn't want consumers to shift focus on a dedicated physics processor and discover the fact that GPUs aren't much more then antialasing and texture effects. Gameplay is king, imagine Battlefield 2 with improved physics and twice the framerate. Sorry off topic but us single-issue activists love to have our hot buttons pushed.
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Just get it: you are monkeys that can vocalize a little.
Well, we have quite certainly evolved from monkeys, but we have certain unrivaled features. We have a huge butt-muscle that give us stability when we walk, which give balance and a possibility to travel far distances and adapt to agriculture, becoming farmers. That was probably what made food abundant and we could trade and form societies. Some say we would never reach our current state had it not been for some grand-father discovering alcohol and wanting more (crops left in a cup in the rain).
Our hands are unique and makes it easier for us to use tools. When we started "beating" and cooking meat we didnt need so big muscle jaws and teeth so we got more room for bigger brain. Neanderthal didn't make it because they didnt have big enough ear-bones thus lacked the balance to run and throw a spear and couldn't survive when the wood shrank; they snoke upon animals among the trees and stabbing them with a spear.
Our mind is structured so we are intelligent. Thinking about this I find it harder to belive in intelligent life other places in our galaxy, and the more important to take care of our earth http://jooh.no/ Religion and pseudoscience is boring it has nothing on science, long live science. Religious fanatic people are annoying and sometimes dangderous, but that is another discussion.
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Copyright law exists. Patent law exists. They have almost nothing in common in terms of the requirements that they put on the public. Trademark law also exists. It has nothing in common with copyright law or patent law about what it requires of the public. So, the idea that there is some general thing which these are instances of already gets people so confused that they cannot understand these issues. There is no such thing. These are three separate unrelated issues, and any attempt to generalise about them guarantees confusion. Everyone who uses the term "intellectual property" is either confused himself or trying to confuse you.
And if someone else says something about "intellectual property", I will not respond directly to what he said without first explaining the confusion buried in it, because you see, the confusion buried in a statement is usually more harmful than whatever may be false that he actually tried to say.
There is a tendency to, we all have it, to follow other people in their choice of terminology. If someone says an outrageous thing and he uses the term intellectual property, you will feel drawn into responding in the same terms. So, learn to resist that temptation.
http://www.fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/torino-rm
- Why is it that the truth is only the truth if it makes someone money. Just because you can't make money by believing what is so obvious to true scientists does not make it false. The world's formation by God and the transformation via the Flood are easily seen if you use a truly open SCIENTIFIC mind. That is, consider all the options and see what the evidence BEST fits. You will quickly see that it is not uniformitarianism and evolution.
I don't think you have your definitions right. As Stallmann would suggest, correct your discussion partner first. Science doesn't say "we are right" or "that is wrong," science is about theories predicting observations, or bein cancelled out by observations.
What do you mean "I will quickly see?" How do you know I will convert quickly, if at all? Seems like you are fresh out of indoctrination class.
At a huge uproar in local websites and discussion groups they eventually turned tail. The core of the matter was they denied access to www.skandiabanken.no if your browser reported Linux as OS.
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I sent them en email myself, explaining my dad was interested in Linux when he saw how light and fast the XFCE window manager was. just to give them some innsight.
A side notice, recently Skandiabanken was taken over by a bigger company, DNB NOR, I guess they where less idealistic then the original founder.
http://www.itavisen.no/php/art.php?id=361469
http://groups.google.no/group/no.samfunn.forbruke
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=68162
You're proposing that the car makers all got together and said "Okay, let's not make electric cars in any volume so it doesn't cut into our other products"? You've been watching too many Hollywood movies.
Why not? We had Windows 95 to ME for generations while Amiga was actually stable and had real pre-emptive multitasking. I had no idea a computer could be that wonderful until I saw my friends Amiga in action. Why didn't people buy it sooner? The tech was literally years ahead.
Maybe servicing and spare parts are good business, guess the service interval on a battery powered electric car. 18 months.
Use that saved service and gasoline on battery service, then you are left with a silent clean vehicle that "takes off" like a spaceship.
Who killed the electric car has better arguments than you (a wikipedia link).
Think http://www.think.no/ are releasing a new car and with it a battery insurance plan. You pay 975NOK a month and they take care of the battery.
I remember having this problem in Win2k. Turned out to be a network issue (even though the folders I was browsing were on a local drive!)
Can you elaborate on the issue and the solution? I kinda feel it could come in handy (does that mean i'm a tech pro?)
I removed 5GB of bloat (how language files can take 800MB is beyond me, a .dll per language???) and theres a few tweaks like disable UAC. When Microsoft are forced to remove every major app from their OS, and I can strip out unuseful-to-me features I will buy their OS. Uhm no not really, at least not until they stop polluting the protocols.
http://www.vlite.net/
If the ads and marketing made that impression and can't deliver, then he has the law on his side. Everything advertised must be fulfilled, if I buy a piece of hardware that doesn't support the features it advertises under the advertised OS (i.e. Windows XP) I bring back the piece to the store and get my money back.
I don't really know what www.nvidiaclassaction.org is all about though.
Humans have free will because they can change their behaviour based upon their beliefs of the situation even when that belief is contradicts the apparent situation.
I don't understand, to you mean the computer has to believe something might be there and then make a decision based on that? We could easily place a mask in the room, and have the camera scan the room, see the mask, program believes there is a person watching and chooses 2nd option. But that come down to we can't prove anything, just disprove enough to conclude the theory (someone is watching) is plausible.
Free will is not proven in this situation, or your definition of a free will is different. People may choose different simply because they have different levels of adrenalin or ceretonin, or a mis-firing neuron. I wanted that cake because I belived it taste good, but I chose not to because I belive it makes me fat and I want that less. Simply my knowledge and experience over-powering my genetically inherited love for sugar and fat.
I have no free will. The law dictates what I am allowed to do with my personal time that does not affect anyone else. We live in a police state whose only interest is exploiting the people.
You confuse state with religion. But then again, the majority of Americans belive in the virgin birth of Jesus and George Bush had a baptist (sp) for an advisor God Bless America.
More importantly will this happen instantly in hardware accellerated heaven on the 3d accellerator? Think zero CPU usage free antialiasing, bilinear filtering and buffering and alphablending and super responsive resizing of windows.
Thats what I'm dreaming about.
In vista, does the file system explorer and UI stuff that comes with the OS take advantage of directX 10?
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The only thing that uses Direct3D hardware accelleration is the borders and the animation and frame-buffering of program windows. Everything inside the window like icon and image resizing is very slow and CPU intensive and sometimes cheaply filtered like the resizing of the wallpaper.
This is done for easiest legacy compatibility I think. New programs written exclusively for Vista might have more UI stuff done in hardware accellerated heaven.
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/vista_wallpaper_
What's the deal with you guys going nuts over system requirements of Aero?
Maybe because an OS shouldn't have high system requirements in the first place? It's like bying a new car and the salesman includes glossy lead-rims that turns it into a slow gasoline hog.
And what about power usage and noise? Many people would love a small flash-based and completely silent PC. Some of us have a small WD Raptor SATA HD that is now 50% full just by the Vista installation.
But you probably have your parents pay the electric bills.
If you thought Luna was hilariously bad (I still don't get how Windows fans defend that theme), wait until you come across the puke-worthy blue and seagreen EVERYWHERE in the Vista interface, complete with a 1980s-style animated ribbon swoosh in the corners of the windows.
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I still don't get how people can't love the non-glossy and "toyful" blue task bar and green start button. The roundness and matte bluish is very calm and whenever I see a PC with that theme I feel home. Call it toy-ish but I love working with that theme after I've turned off window animation, common tasks in folders, smooth-scroll listboxes, slide-open combo boxes, slide taskbar buttons and everything else that is non-productive.
Ubuntu is also very nice and soft, Suse/KDE I don't have much liking for.
http://jooh.no/prog_ubuntu.html
But I agree Vista UI is a disaster. It's slow even on a 3GHz Core 2, the black and glass-glossy theme of Vista is cold and un-inviting and applications columns have many small details and hard edges. With the new toolbar system applications get another line that has a different color and looks out of place making the UI even more messy.
If you try and make it less white by changing window color in classic controls very few windows actually get changed. Very inconsistent, hopefully theres a workaround as white is hard on my eyes and I don't wanto increase the gamma in games and movies then they look washed out.
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/vista_task_manag
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/white_on_black.p
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/white_brackgroun
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/window_backgroun
I believe the conroe 2 chipset has TPM mentioned here. I could be wrong
I belive it's either Core 2 or Conroe.
How about a polite survey instead
When the game is launched, the every now and then the user is asked politely if he/she wanto answer a one to five minute survey. He/she is told this survey helps the game developer and publisher keep their online ranking system profitable and functional well beyond the games peak sales time. The survey system is completely optional and you can opt-out in the game settings menu.
Battlefield 2 has a very well working (for a first-time service) online ranking system that means a lot to the game an their players.
http://bf2s.com/player/71497639/ (me)
http://bf2s.com/player/77933681/ (my friend arneloff)
I wouldn't mind spending 5 minutes a month to keep such a system up and running, or even fund a future AAA title with just as good voice acting. And I belive many people would, as http://www.tns-gallup.no/ seems to be successfull.
Now instead of screaming "foul" why can't you idiots could open your mind and find up a solution that benefits everybody. Not many Apple users "think different" in here.
By the time that Vista is going to be released, ReactOS will be stable!
Yeah stable as long as you don't move the mouse!
*duck*
Oh, and I already know Sony does the same console-exclusive licensing and attempts to achieve vendor lock-in. But I don't consider Sony a serious monopolist. They may try, but they'll never get to where Microsoft is. And I don't think Microsoft should have a monopoly, either.
An exclusive title isn't vendor lock-in. When Microsofts Xbox cover 80% of the market and start develop a closed propritary signal transfer standard "HURT-SCAM" exclusive to Xbox only (like a 100hz 1080p over fiberoptics), and subsidice TV manufactorers so we see only displays with that and a low-quality composite video standard on the market.
Add some DRM into it and it would be illegal to reverse-engieer thanks to DMCA, and you got Internet Explorer all over again.
Anyone who can come up with an answer to that should win several Nobel prizes. Especially, how does female intuition work? It seems that common sense is gettng inreasingly uncommon these days as well.
(brainfart warning)
I think female intuition is just a buzzword, anyone learning, and more imporantly understanding and reflecting upon something will eventually develop wisdom that seem to guide them to an answer to the problem. In case of female intuition they usually have more intelligence for feelings and body language, in addition they talk alot about and reflect these things with their female friends (I know this well because I have three sisters) thus appearing impressive - or as you would have it intuititative - in certain situations.
Aquiring experience from trial and error and making choices based on that. I "want" that chocolate - but I firmly belive too much sugar and fat make me obesiated and depressed and I don't want that so I choose not to. Experience in this case overpowering the instinct. Instinct that survived and evolved because sweet berries and fruit usually contains vitamins and anti-oxydants, those eating it higher chance of surviving and bringin their DNA to the next generation- It's all about decision-making.
Most parts of our brain controls general body functions and "talents", like when you wanto click that mouse button, you don't consiously ask every nerual transmitter in your brainstem to send a signal to every muscle fibre. A small part is housing our awareness.
Actually, the official requirements for Vista emphasis the graphics processor more than the CPU as they should. Of course, this won't prevent computer salespeople from using Vista to sell Quad-Core systems....
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Why should they? Because most of the GUI is bitmaps and vectors stored and rendered on the GPU? Then why is resizing an IE7 window so CPU intensive? Why is icon listing and resizing with File Explorer so jerky in Vista?
I had hoped Vista had a true 3d accellerated GUI but I've tested RC1 with a GeForce 7800 GS 256MB and its much more tearing and jerky then Windows XP is. It seems Vista just adds a texture with transparency, blurring and cubemapping ontop of the old GUI. I get 100% CPU usage in "classic" mode too. Using RC1 drivers from nvidia.com.
http://jooh.no/root/Vista_Report/resize_cpu_usage
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Yes everything will die and eventually be reborn it seem. Maybe we will give birth to a new universe, with new starsystems and new monkeys. And then the monkeys wanto know how it all started and oops here we go again!
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Can someone please explain this joke to me in detail?
Thank you.
Maybe they could do as Dune Legacy did, remove the content and include an extractor so you could move over "intellectual properties" yourself:
1 7705
Several people has earlier questioned the distribution of the dune2 data files as they are not free.
Due to this these files has now been removed and work has been started on the extractor which will automaticall extract data from Dune2.
This will prevent copyright issues and also decrease the size of data needed to be distributed a lot.
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5
How about playing it with a slow-motion button so you can study the physics in greater detail?
http://jooh.no/clips.html
Just add this
bind "g" "host_timescale 1.0"
bind "q" "host_timescale 0.3"
to
Steam\SteamApps\username\half-life 2 episode one\episodic\cfg\config.cfg
You may need to enable cheats, add a sv_cheats "1" line too.
If this is software then I'm really excited about what a PPU like Ageia PhysX can do. Wreak havoc with explosive projectiles and bullet-time ability among hordes of monsters with no dip in framerate or realism. Of course, as business must grow, GPU makers like nVidia and ATI doesn't want consumers to shift focus on a dedicated physics processor and discover the fact that GPUs aren't much more then antialasing and texture effects. Gameplay is king, imagine Battlefield 2 with improved physics and twice the framerate.
Sorry off topic but us single-issue activists love to have our hot buttons pushed.
Our hands are unique and makes it easier for us to use tools. When we started "beating" and cooking meat we didnt need so big muscle jaws and teeth so we got more room for bigger brain. Neanderthal didn't make it because they didnt have big enough ear-bones thus lacked the balance to run and throw a spear and couldn't survive when the wood shrank; they snoke upon animals among the trees and stabbing them with a spear.
Our mind is structured so we are intelligent. Thinking about this I find it harder to belive in intelligent life other places in our galaxy, and the more important to take care of our earth http://jooh.no/ Religion and pseudoscience is boring it has nothing on science, long live science. Religious fanatic people are annoying and sometimes dangderous, but that is another discussion.