Yes... that's what I just said at the bottom of my post. Regular Windows software (which would include the "classic" Windows desktop -- it is obviously not a Metro app) will not run on ARM. Only Metro-compliant apps.
Unless you were trying to reply to the person above me.
Best Buy and NewEgg have warehouses and (in BB's case) brick and mortar stores to pay for. How does their markup compare to Microsoft's, btw?
Yes and Apple has no expenses whatsoever. It's not like Apple has to build data centers and maintain an infrastructure where there 200 million users can start downloading one of 100,000 apps within seconds of purchasing one. I guess people think that just because someone doesn't have physical store but an online store, they have no capital expenditures at all.
Leasing square feet of retail or warehouse space and staffing it is a fair penny more than than server costs. Bandwidth is cheap. It's not an Apples-to-Apples comparison. And like I said, it's different when developers can ignore those channels and do it themselves through online sales direct to consumers (digital download or boxed copy mailing).
I'm not in support of any of the app stores getting cuts as large as they do when they position themselves as gatekeepers to the platform. Microsoft or Apple. People pick the platform for the apps, they already give the parent OS-makers additional revenue in people choosing them and not the other device/OS instead.
Best Buy and NewEgg have warehouses and (in BB's case) brick and mortar stores to pay for. How does their markup compare to Microsoft's, btw?
The only way to publish Metro apps is going to be through Microsoft's App Store. Developers wont be able to sidestep them and sell direct to consumers (like they can sidestep NE/BB). They can still make regular Desktop Apps, but with making Metro the default UI that could be seen as making your software a "second-class citizen".
Maybe I would have less issue with their terms if they weren't holding an artificial monopoly on distribution, eh?
This developer's preview is on a desktop (Core i7 920, 6 GB RAM). I am under the impression there is only going to be ONE "Windows 8", and everyone will run it. I have seen nothing to suggest there are separate versions (except for 32 and 64 bit) or that the one I am using is meant for a tablet device. The Desktop mode is full of "normal" sized UI elements just like Windows 7 that would be hard to control on a small screen. I suppose Microsoft could opt to do their "Home", "Professional", "Ultimate" feature sets again though.
The system requirements for it are surprisingly low:
- 1 Ghz or faster 32-bit processor (or higher) - 1 GB of RAM for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit. - 16 GB hard disk space for 32-bit, 20 for 64-bit - DX9 graphics hardware with a WDDM 1.0 or higher compatible driver - Touch-screen required for touch input.
Legacy software isn't going to run on ARM. Only the Metro-complaint apps. There will be no "Classic" or "Rosetta" for Win8 like there was for OSX's transitions.
Thanks for that clear answer. Sounds pretty bad to me although I think non-technical users might not care,
The Metro interface itself needs more work to show it can cut it as a launcher interface, too. In its current incarnation, it's scrolls left and right. You can move it with the scroll wheel on your mouse or drag a scroll bar that appears on the bottom, but it feels like a kludge way to navigate through all your apps. It's like someone up in Redmond suddenly realized "oh yeah, you have to have a touch-screen to swipe! That might be a problem for people who don't (like almost all desktop users)". Besides the "extra files" getting tossed into the interface in separate tiles I mentioned, there's the problem or navigating large collections of apps. On a tablet this isn't so much of an issue because of the more limited storage space on tablets, but on a desktop machines you could find yourself getting a bit weary scrolling through all those tiles to reach something at the other end. A full install of the Adobe CS4 Master Collection adds 25 new tiles to the Metro grid. There needs to be a way of dividing the "Full" Metro launcher view into sub-screens, like you can on iOS when you pull up specific "genres" of apps (or like you had programs and their support files segregated into folders named for the publisher on the old Start menu). Non-tech users will feel this as well once they have a healthy collection of free games from the Metro store or traditional apps from other places installed.
The Metro UI (and the included apps that come with it) are also obviously written under the assumption your screen is 13" or smaller. The Metro apps all run full-screen (and can't be changed to windowed) and their controls are all oversize for a desktop environment (I have a 1920x1200 display -- waste. of. space. ). I hate it when I hit certain links in the Desktop zone (usually in control panels) and for some reason instead of Firefox launching IE is coded to launch instead. And not the Desktop (normal) IE, but the Metro full screen version that whooshes everything else I'm working on out of view. I've also been unable to find a way to actually Exit any of these Metro apps, either. I can click out of them and back to the Launcher, but I cannot stop the process without actually End Tasking them from the Process Manager. They eventually go into a "hibernation"-like state instead if you don't use them. Also amusing: the Process Manager keeps track of network utilization and data usage on a per-app basis (obviously written with tablets and metered 3G data plans in mind).
but what interested me most was the bit about the 30% cut with the Metro App Store.
Correction: It's 20% for above $25,000 in sales. But it is exactly what it appears, Microsoft finding a way to take a cut from application sales revenue on programs they ha nothing to do with writing, just like Apple's store.
I'm using the Developer's Preview right now and I can tell you it's annoying as Hell, and it's not gonna change. Why? Because the things that make it annoying are things Microsoft wants to push.
There's no real Start menu. All programs have to be launched either from the Metro interface, an Explorer window of the program folder, or having the app docked on the taskbar. The Metro-enhanced apps look great on the Metro launcher, but regular apps just get their Start menu files added as tiles.I have several tiles labeled "Uninstaller" but I have no idea what program they uninstall because they aren't grouped at all with their parent programs like they were in folders on the old Start menu. Same with those apps "Read Me" files. But if Microsoft put a regular start menu in people would likely jump right into the Desktop and not even bother with Microsoft's Metro at all, continuing to use their PC like they did in Vista/7. That would threaten Microsoft's plan to steer everyone into using their Metro app store and taking a 30% cut, like Apple does on their App Store. There's also a lack of regular menus in Explorer. It's been replaced with the Ribbon interface. Microsoft sees Ribbons as the future: usability or customer preference be damned.
1) Does she have the device already, or is she still evaluating products? If she hasn't already had the device implanted the parent's point still applies. As a business they don't have to give her anything, and as a consumer she is within her rights to take her business elsewhere.
2) If the software is already "known" to be buggy, and remotely exploitable why would you want to consider this device maker to start with? she should already be looking for someone else. And furthermore why wouldn't the FDA have already taken action on this maker?
Sounds like this woman is an ambulance-chaser trying to make her own ambulance.
Yeah. Instead, one person outside the U.S. should download it. Then, he should upload it to some webserver that has mega amounts of bandwidth so he can share it with all of them in a way the authorities can't track easily.
Retailers sell more than a single product, last time I checked. e_e Certain other tablet products have flopped majorly without anyone going out of business.
The result will be retailers will stop buying new inventory because of the returns and percentage of "open box" merchandise they'll have to deal with. Plus, it sends the clear message the product is not what the public wants, whereas not selling anything at all can be scapegoated on the popularity of a competing iDevice.
I'll agree, though, that I'll be damned before I pay for the privilege of advertising for a company.
Yup, and unfortunately most labels think you should.
Funny enough, I own one Abercrombie and Fitch shirt (a blue curdoroy shirt with quilted insulated lining I wear as a jacket) and one Gap label shirt (black wool over-shirt). These are the only two pieces of clothing I own from these types of brands, and I bought both shirts for less than $5 each... at the Goodwill store.
While I do wear shirts with letters and images on them, I can somewhat see where you are coming from. I don't wear shirts where the design is the corporate logo/name of the brand of apparel (Nike shirts), and have even taken to removing the large nameplate label from the back waistband of jeans I buy after purchase (rendering them much less brand identifiable).
I heard you want an interactive display on your wall!
So we put a display in on your windows, so you can see it while it's still transparent. Now when its sunny you can see your Windows with your windows, and your neighbors can see you see your display when it's night, but they can't see what you see.
According to the image description on Wikipedia it was a "convenient cat". Maybe the photographer forgot the ruler or whatever he originally meant to use for scale.
Phone has an outlook client, automatic email login, and no password.
Phone can connect to Outlook, where someone emailed an Excel document with a few thousand customer SSN's, credit card numbers or other contact info...
If anything this is an example of why documents with sensitive information shouldn't be sent through email unencrypted at all, even between two addresses on the same corporate server. Make it secure, and make opening the file require use of a system that cannot enter the username/password automatically for the user.
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Yes... that's what I just said at the bottom of my post. Regular Windows software (which would include the "classic" Windows desktop -- it is obviously not a Metro app) will not run on ARM. Only Metro-compliant apps.
Unless you were trying to reply to the person above me.
Best Buy and NewEgg have warehouses and (in BB's case) brick and mortar stores to pay for. How does their markup compare to Microsoft's, btw?
Yes and Apple has no expenses whatsoever. It's not like Apple has to build data centers and maintain an infrastructure where there 200 million users can start downloading one of 100,000 apps within seconds of purchasing one. I guess people think that just because someone doesn't have physical store but an online store, they have no capital expenditures at all.
Leasing square feet of retail or warehouse space and staffing it is a fair penny more than than server costs. Bandwidth is cheap. It's not an Apples-to-Apples comparison. And like I said, it's different when developers can ignore those channels and do it themselves through online sales direct to consumers (digital download or boxed copy mailing).
I'm not in support of any of the app stores getting cuts as large as they do when they position themselves as gatekeepers to the platform. Microsoft or Apple. People pick the platform for the apps, they already give the parent OS-makers additional revenue in people choosing them and not the other device/OS instead.
Best Buy and NewEgg have warehouses and (in BB's case) brick and mortar stores to pay for. How does their markup compare to Microsoft's, btw?
The only way to publish Metro apps is going to be through Microsoft's App Store. Developers wont be able to sidestep them and sell direct to consumers (like they can sidestep NE/BB). They can still make regular Desktop Apps, but with making Metro the default UI that could be seen as making your software a "second-class citizen".
Maybe I would have less issue with their terms if they weren't holding an artificial monopoly on distribution, eh?
This developer's preview is on a desktop (Core i7 920, 6 GB RAM). I am under the impression there is only going to be ONE "Windows 8", and everyone will run it. I have seen nothing to suggest there are separate versions (except for 32 and 64 bit) or that the one I am using is meant for a tablet device. The Desktop mode is full of "normal" sized UI elements just like Windows 7 that would be hard to control on a small screen. I suppose Microsoft could opt to do their "Home", "Professional", "Ultimate" feature sets again though.
The system requirements for it are surprisingly low:
- 1 GB of RAM for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit.
- 16 GB hard disk space for 32-bit, 20 for 64-bit
- DX9 graphics hardware with a WDDM 1.0 or higher compatible driver
- Touch-screen required for touch input.
Legacy software isn't going to run on ARM. Only the Metro-complaint apps.
There will be no "Classic" or "Rosetta" for Win8 like there was for OSX's transitions.
Thanks for that clear answer. Sounds pretty bad to me although I think non-technical users might not care,
The Metro interface itself needs more work to show it can cut it as a launcher interface, too. In its current incarnation, it's scrolls left and right. You can move it with the scroll wheel on your mouse or drag a scroll bar that appears on the bottom, but it feels like a kludge way to navigate through all your apps. It's like someone up in Redmond suddenly realized "oh yeah, you have to have a touch-screen to swipe! That might be a problem for people who don't (like almost all desktop users)". Besides the "extra files" getting tossed into the interface in separate tiles I mentioned, there's the problem or navigating large collections of apps. On a tablet this isn't so much of an issue because of the more limited storage space on tablets, but on a desktop machines you could find yourself getting a bit weary scrolling through all those tiles to reach something at the other end. A full install of the Adobe CS4 Master Collection adds 25 new tiles to the Metro grid. There needs to be a way of dividing the "Full" Metro launcher view into sub-screens, like you can on iOS when you pull up specific "genres" of apps (or like you had programs and their support files segregated into folders named for the publisher on the old Start menu). Non-tech users will feel this as well once they have a healthy collection of free games from the Metro store or traditional apps from other places installed.
The Metro UI (and the included apps that come with it) are also obviously written under the assumption your screen is 13" or smaller. The Metro apps all run full-screen (and can't be changed to windowed) and their controls are all oversize for a desktop environment (I have a 1920x1200 display -- waste. of. space. ). I hate it when I hit certain links in the Desktop zone (usually in control panels) and for some reason instead of Firefox launching IE is coded to launch instead. And not the Desktop (normal) IE, but the Metro full screen version that whooshes everything else I'm working on out of view. I've also been unable to find a way to actually Exit any of these Metro apps, either. I can click out of them and back to the Launcher, but I cannot stop the process without actually End Tasking them from the Process Manager. They eventually go into a "hibernation"-like state instead if you don't use them. Also amusing: the Process Manager keeps track of network utilization and data usage on a per-app basis (obviously written with tablets and metered 3G data plans in mind).
but what interested me most was the bit about the 30% cut with the Metro App Store.
Correction: It's 20% for above $25,000 in sales. But it is exactly what it appears, Microsoft finding a way to take a cut from application sales revenue on programs they ha nothing to do with writing, just like Apple's store.
What makes you think Windows 8 will be terrible?
I'm using the Developer's Preview right now and I can tell you it's annoying as Hell, and it's not gonna change. Why? Because the things that make it annoying are things Microsoft wants to push.
There's no real Start menu. All programs have to be launched either from the Metro interface, an Explorer window of the program folder, or having the app docked on the taskbar. The Metro-enhanced apps look great on the Metro launcher, but regular apps just get their Start menu files added as tiles.I have several tiles labeled "Uninstaller" but I have no idea what program they uninstall because they aren't grouped at all with their parent programs like they were in folders on the old Start menu. Same with those apps "Read Me" files. But if Microsoft put a regular start menu in people would likely jump right into the Desktop and not even bother with Microsoft's Metro at all, continuing to use their PC like they did in Vista/7. That would threaten Microsoft's plan to steer everyone into using their Metro app store and taking a 30% cut, like Apple does on their App Store. There's also a lack of regular menus in Explorer. It's been replaced with the Ribbon interface. Microsoft sees Ribbons as the future: usability or customer preference be damned.
1) Does she have the device already, or is she still evaluating products? If she hasn't already had the device implanted the parent's point still applies. As a business they don't have to give her anything, and as a consumer she is within her rights to take her business elsewhere.
2) If the software is already "known" to be buggy, and remotely exploitable why would you want to consider this device maker to start with? she should already be looking for someone else. And furthermore why wouldn't the FDA have already taken action on this maker?
Sounds like this woman is an ambulance-chaser trying to make her own ambulance.
Yeah. Instead, one person outside the U.S. should download it. Then, he should upload it to some webserver that has mega amounts of bandwidth so he can share it with all of them in a way the authorities can't track easily.
Not if you're not in violation of the store's own return policy.
Retailers sell more than a single product, last time I checked. e_e Certain other tablet products have flopped majorly without anyone going out of business.
The result will be retailers will stop buying new inventory because of the returns and percentage of "open box" merchandise they'll have to deal with. Plus, it sends the clear message the product is not what the public wants, whereas not selling anything at all can be scapegoated on the popularity of a competing iDevice.
No, he's being serious. If you buy then and then return them opened, the store can't resell them as brand new and lose money.
I'll agree, though, that I'll be damned before I pay for the privilege of advertising for a company.
Yup, and unfortunately most labels think you should.
Funny enough, I own one Abercrombie and Fitch shirt (a blue curdoroy shirt with quilted insulated lining I wear as a jacket) and one Gap label shirt (black wool over-shirt). These are the only two pieces of clothing I own from these types of brands, and I bought both shirts for less than $5 each... at the Goodwill store.
While I do wear shirts with letters and images on them, I can somewhat see where you are coming from. I don't wear shirts where the design is the corporate logo/name of the brand of apparel (Nike shirts), and have even taken to removing the large nameplate label from the back waistband of jeans I buy after purchase (rendering them much less brand identifiable).
I highly recommend this t-shirt for you. I have one myself.
I heard you want an interactive display on your wall!
So we put a display in on your windows, so you can see it while it's still transparent.
Now when its sunny you can see your Windows with your windows,
and your neighbors can see you see your display when it's night, but they can't see what you see.
I hope the cyber police do what they can to find the cyber criminals who committed this cyber crime against Cyber Zappos.
I'm sure there's a gumshoe on the case already.
That would be Iraqistan.
Say, that's catchy.
Is it too late to get the democracies we set up there to change the name?
Yes, they're being soooo secretive they had one of their most recognizable living executives go...
According to the image description on Wikipedia it was a "convenient cat". Maybe the photographer forgot the ruler or whatever he originally meant to use for scale.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Oh, wait...
I always thought it stood for General Processing Units!
Didn't you read the summary title? It's obviously Genome Processing Unit.
Sure you can.
Phone has an outlook client, automatic email login, and no password.
Phone can connect to Outlook, where someone emailed an Excel document with a few thousand customer SSN's, credit card numbers or other contact info...
If anything this is an example of why documents with sensitive information shouldn't be sent through email unencrypted at all, even between two addresses on the same corporate server. Make it secure, and make opening the file require use of a system that cannot enter the username/password automatically for the user.
Better questions, since when is Microsoft disappointing Windows Phone users news?
Come to Shanghai, and I'll show you that the biggest issue isn't CO2!!!
Yeah, it's pirates! Right?
Stealing source code from Symantec is like stealing your neighbor's garbage.