So, if a CS degree is overrated, why isn't college in general overrated? If college in general is overrated, why isn't high school overrated? What you're saying is that education is pointless, and everybody is born with an inherent talent set that can't be improved upon.
I think they mean somebody without any degree at all (or some really easy degree like journalism or philosophy). I've never heard of anybody passing over a candidate because they "only" had an EE (or math or physics or chemistry or something else difficult to complete) degree. If anything, that's usually sort of a plus, since CS is a tad easier than EE or math or physics.
I could write a completely accurate time estimate, down to the minute. It would take me three times as long to produce the estimate as it would to just do the work in the first place, but yes, I could produce an estimate of any arbitrary accuracy.
Well, remember that you have a limited number of job-changes (and you don't know up front just how many that is) before nobody will hire you. Plus, leaving one job after just a few months is a big red flag. What I can't reconcile is that we're supposedly highly in-demand, yet our working conditions get worse and worse each year. Shouldn't we be the ones with the leverage here?
The sane response would be to say, "wow, we really ought to stand together and do something to put an end to this" rather than this crab-bucket syndrome you're perpetuating.
Well, since I'm commenting on Slashdot, like all other Slashdot commenters, I'm the best programmer that ever lived. However, besides me, the best programmers I've ever worked with have been Indian. The worst programmers I've ever worked with have also been Indian. This isn't hard to reconcile, since 95% of the programmers I've ever worked with have been Indian. When they completely dominate a job category, they're going to dominate both the top and the bottom.
What, do you mean like the guy who resets your password and reboots the wifi router when it goes down? Even harder to offshore... but not usually highly paid, either.
I talked to a recruiter a few years ago who was trying to fill a C++ programming position. I was interested, since I have a strong background in C++. The position was offering $65K/year, in the Dallas, TX area. Yeah, they're trying really hard to find good C programmers.
I'll respond not to you, but to any young American programmer who might feel a rising sense of panic whenever this old canard is trotted out. Before you think, "oh, shit, he's right, I better keep my head down and my mouth shut because without H1B's keeping programming work in America, I'll be living in a refrigerator box" consider: if programming was so easily offshorable, they'd long since offshored it. The internet has been ubiquitous since 1995 - offshoring was as feasible by the year 2000 as it is now, 17 years later. Yet thousands of companies still produce software inside the expensive borders of the United States. Why? Well, language barriers, culture barriers, and time-zone differences are just a few factors that makes offshoring programming very difficult. Ask yourself - if having coding done by somebody you've never met on the other side of the world is so simple, why do employers rent expensive office space and insist that everybody be physically present at a desk where they can keep an eye on them here? OP is almost certainly an MBA and not a programmer, because he still believes (as all MBAs do) that programming is sort of a factory assembly-type job. Of course, anybody who has every tried to specify a computer system down to the level where it can be automatically assembled like a calculator on a factory floor will eventually come to the realization that such a specification is a computer program, and the only people who can produce them are computer programmers.
You know who can be replaced by any random warm body, though? MBAs and project managers. So next time you see a homeless guy on the street, don't put a quarter in his cup, he probably tried to offshore you two years ago.
A lot of powerful people stand to lose a lot if he keeps his campaign promises, especially this one, so I'm not surprised there's so much negativity every time he blows his nose - the beauty is, he's one of the very few people in the world who can actually pull this off.
I've been denied jobs at many companies who hire H1Bs over citizens
I've never had any insight into why I was rejected from particular jobs, but I can say that I've had some very inexplicable rejections that left me scratching my head wondering why on earth I didn't get the job. Assuming that if somebody took the time to bring me onsite to interview in person means that they really truly honestly are trying to fill an open position, then the only reason they would reject me is if either they found somebody who was a better fit for the job or if they found somebody willing to work a lot cheaper. So, considering that I've been rejected from/not hired for > 50% of the jobs I've applied to suggests that there are a LOT of people out there far more qualified than me. Of course, "better" is subjective, but on paper, at least, I'm a pretty strong candidate (master's degree, 25+ years experience). At least when I'm on the hiring side, I don't see too terribly many resumes with significantly better qualifications. But as we know from Slashdot comments, paper qualifications don't make great programmers, only great programming does that. So maybe I'm on the bottom half of the programmer greatness scale, as my job-seeking history would suggest. Yet, whenever I do manage to land a job, I don't find myself surrounded by people who inspire awe and admiration in my heart - in fact, I find myself surrounded by people who immediately start asking for my help with almost everything.
You probably got bonus points for being the only student who showed up. I once showed up for an optional final exam - I needed (I think) a B or better on the final to bump my grade from a B to an A. I was the only one who showed up, so when the professor walked in, hands full of exam papers, he looked at me and said, "what the hell, you get an A. Go home."
The problem with uncensored internet (or uncensored anything, really) is that uncensored means it allows "insert thing that I don't think should exist here". If "thing that I don't like" can be prohibited so can "other thing that I don't care about". As long as the majority of people think that prohibiting "thing that I don't think should exist", we'll have arbitrary censorship.
Hire a maid. If you pay her half what your wife is bringing home, you're still WAY ahead. Plus, with a maid, you can complain about the job she did and not end up sleeping alone.
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So, if a CS degree is overrated, why isn't college in general overrated? If college in general is overrated, why isn't high school overrated? What you're saying is that education is pointless, and everybody is born with an inherent talent set that can't be improved upon.
Yes, purposely excluding white men from an industry already dominated by Indians will certainly make the world a better place.
Well, apparently LinkedIn doesn't think so...
I did an EE degree
I think they mean somebody without any degree at all (or some really easy degree like journalism or philosophy). I've never heard of anybody passing over a candidate because they "only" had an EE (or math or physics or chemistry or something else difficult to complete) degree. If anything, that's usually sort of a plus, since CS is a tad easier than EE or math or physics.
So, the qualifications used to be "has a CS degree". Now they're "has a CS degree or isn't a white male". Good to know.
I could write a completely accurate time estimate, down to the minute. It would take me three times as long to produce the estimate as it would to just do the work in the first place, but yes, I could produce an estimate of any arbitrary accuracy.
Uber is a bunch of shysters that would gladly stab you in the back
Sadly, it would be easier to list the employers you couldn't say that about than the ones you could.
Well, remember that you have a limited number of job-changes (and you don't know up front just how many that is) before nobody will hire you. Plus, leaving one job after just a few months is a big red flag. What I can't reconcile is that we're supposedly highly in-demand, yet our working conditions get worse and worse each year. Shouldn't we be the ones with the leverage here?
I go home exhausted, work frequently out of town
The sane response would be to say, "wow, we really ought to stand together and do something to put an end to this" rather than this crab-bucket syndrome you're perpetuating.
Funny how the link goes to the fakest news site there is.
Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales is Launching an Online Publication To Fight Anything That Isn't Left-Wing Propaganda
FTFY
About 50% of the population has below average intelligence ... history has shone us
50%, you say?
Well, since I'm commenting on Slashdot, like all other Slashdot commenters, I'm the best programmer that ever lived. However, besides me, the best programmers I've ever worked with have been Indian. The worst programmers I've ever worked with have also been Indian. This isn't hard to reconcile, since 95% of the programmers I've ever worked with have been Indian. When they completely dominate a job category, they're going to dominate both the top and the bottom.
That never happened before Microsoft bought it.
conflating IT
What, do you mean like the guy who resets your password and reboots the wifi router when it goes down? Even harder to offshore... but not usually highly paid, either.
I talked to a recruiter a few years ago who was trying to fill a C++ programming position. I was interested, since I have a strong background in C++. The position was offering $65K/year, in the Dallas, TX area. Yeah, they're trying really hard to find good C programmers.
IT work is going to go away.
I'll respond not to you, but to any young American programmer who might feel a rising sense of panic whenever this old canard is trotted out. Before you think, "oh, shit, he's right, I better keep my head down and my mouth shut because without H1B's keeping programming work in America, I'll be living in a refrigerator box" consider: if programming was so easily offshorable, they'd long since offshored it. The internet has been ubiquitous since 1995 - offshoring was as feasible by the year 2000 as it is now, 17 years later. Yet thousands of companies still produce software inside the expensive borders of the United States. Why? Well, language barriers, culture barriers, and time-zone differences are just a few factors that makes offshoring programming very difficult. Ask yourself - if having coding done by somebody you've never met on the other side of the world is so simple, why do employers rent expensive office space and insist that everybody be physically present at a desk where they can keep an eye on them here? OP is almost certainly an MBA and not a programmer, because he still believes (as all MBAs do) that programming is sort of a factory assembly-type job. Of course, anybody who has every tried to specify a computer system down to the level where it can be automatically assembled like a calculator on a factory floor will eventually come to the realization that such a specification is a computer program, and the only people who can produce them are computer programmers.
You know who can be replaced by any random warm body, though? MBAs and project managers. So next time you see a homeless guy on the street, don't put a quarter in his cup, he probably tried to offshore you two years ago.
Awarding visas for skills does not automatically translate to paying comparable wages to receive those skills
I'm pretty sure the only skill that matters is the "being able to work for slightly above minimum wage" skill.
I can tell the article and website are biased
A lot of powerful people stand to lose a lot if he keeps his campaign promises, especially this one, so I'm not surprised there's so much negativity every time he blows his nose - the beauty is, he's one of the very few people in the world who can actually pull this off.
I've been denied jobs at many companies who hire H1Bs over citizens
I've never had any insight into why I was rejected from particular jobs, but I can say that I've had some very inexplicable rejections that left me scratching my head wondering why on earth I didn't get the job. Assuming that if somebody took the time to bring me onsite to interview in person means that they really truly honestly are trying to fill an open position, then the only reason they would reject me is if either they found somebody who was a better fit for the job or if they found somebody willing to work a lot cheaper. So, considering that I've been rejected from/not hired for > 50% of the jobs I've applied to suggests that there are a LOT of people out there far more qualified than me. Of course, "better" is subjective, but on paper, at least, I'm a pretty strong candidate (master's degree, 25+ years experience). At least when I'm on the hiring side, I don't see too terribly many resumes with significantly better qualifications. But as we know from Slashdot comments, paper qualifications don't make great programmers, only great programming does that. So maybe I'm on the bottom half of the programmer greatness scale, as my job-seeking history would suggest. Yet, whenever I do manage to land a job, I don't find myself surrounded by people who inspire awe and admiration in my heart - in fact, I find myself surrounded by people who immediately start asking for my help with almost everything.
I don't think 25 year-olds realize how relatively young 40 actually is...
You probably got bonus points for being the only student who showed up. I once showed up for an optional final exam - I needed (I think) a B or better on the final to bump my grade from a B to an A. I was the only one who showed up, so when the professor walked in, hands full of exam papers, he looked at me and said, "what the hell, you get an A. Go home."
The problem with uncensored internet (or uncensored anything, really) is that uncensored means it allows "insert thing that I don't think should exist here". If "thing that I don't like" can be prohibited so can "other thing that I don't care about". As long as the majority of people think that prohibiting "thing that I don't think should exist", we'll have arbitrary censorship.
I've seen how scary some of those robots look. If one of them was chasing me, I'd run, too.
Hire a maid. If you pay her half what your wife is bringing home, you're still WAY ahead. Plus, with a maid, you can complain about the job she did and not end up sleeping alone.
Funny how the people who always insist that software development is "collaborative" are the ones who mean "you do your job, and you do my job, too".