Since when do we determine what a phone is based on physical dimensions? I've seen so many styles of phones - why not just let them be? Can't believe this is on Slashdot, I'd expect to see this on a site like Gizmodo more..
How about this - does it have a phone capability that doesn't require a bluetooth headset? Then I'd say it's a phone. Oh but hey, that is just as arbitrary as your definition.
Failed? By your thinking perhaps - probably not of the GP, nor of Samsungs Sales division. Just because you or me may not want a Note doesn't make it bad (my Nexus 4 is probably as big as I'd want to get) - it just makes us not the target customer.
Been an Android user since leaving my iPhone 3G after a year. Zero infections on my devices (rooted and unlocked, mind you) - Parents are on droid, haven't had to deinfect their phones yet. GF runs Android. No infections. Tablets.... no infections.
Sure, it's possible I'm infected and don't even know it, but then again I also can run tools that tell me what apps are doing (plus I'm warned what they are doing before they install) - can the same be said for iOS? Are you 100% sure Apples caught every security issue? Because I remember a few issues with the App store of theirs making the news..
"Man! That always burns me up to. I mean, once I spec out a system from somewhere else that actually meets the same specification why do the prices always line up? I can't figure that one out either."
Cool. Price me out a Mac Laptop with a non Intel GPU for under $1000. Naw I'll make it easier, under $1500 (prices are Canadian, but I'm not sure US prices would help you much)
I can't find one, so please point me in the right direction, your obviously better at this. Case in point my 13" laptop with nVidia GPU and an i5 processor was $800... Find me that. And if you do find one for $1500, explain what features makes it worth 2x the cost.
"Chrome for iOS has some pretty major technical restrictions imposed by the App Store, such as the requirement to use the built-in UIWebView for rendering, no V8, and a single-process model," explained Google engineer Mike Pinkerton
Those are actually some really good points... well said. Suffice to say I'm glad people smarter than I are in charge of this. If I was what they were looking for and in a different place in my life... I'd definitely consider something like this.
I disagree with your example, but not completely with what your trying to say.
80 is far too old. You'd have to put in to your calculations the odds of someone surviving, and at 80 I would say you have a greater risk of health issues, even if your healthier then most 30 year olds in a lot of respects.
I think a mix of ages would be best.. because your looking at such a long period of time, you woun't have anyone under say 35 probably eligable for this, so I'd say 35-60 or so might be good.
"And this will give ammunition to those who would write off a warming planet as little more than a hoax. Alarmism has no place in a discussion of science. We should leave that to 24-hour cable news pundits."
Really? Price me out a Macbook with a non Intel GPU and tell me they are competitive. Unless somethings changed in the past 8 months, I couldn't find anything for less then $1800 CDN that had something better then Intel for the GPU.
I ended up buying a 13.3" i5 laptop for $800 with an OK nVidia GPU on it. Show me something comparable.
Uhh of course I meant Windows Phone 8 - sorry. In future JB = Jelly Bean, and ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich. I figured by now we'd know what we are referring to, but I was obviously mistaken. Sorry.
No I knew it was coming, but I also knew WP8 was coming before their announcement. I also know Android 5.0 is coming. And WP9. Again, what's your point?
Google never, not once, told the public "hey JB is coming! It's awesome. Oh and we have an SDK, but your not allowed to use it"
Public perception - Google, Apple, hell probably even RIM is doing a better job then MS right now with that.
Anyway - leaving the last comment to you - I'm done responding, but feel free to say what you want after this.
I'd like to say the initial release of the JB SDK was not considered finished - but my Googlefu isn't backing that up. However in the past "Beta" SDK's have been released, I know there was for R20.
What your referring to - OEM partners - doesn't apply. That refers to handsets. Developers, for the most part, don't build handsets. Thats hardware. I'm talking software. I have NO idea who gets access to Microsofts "code" to make their handsets work, but I'd be very surprised if Nokia wasn't first in line..
Regardless - we are actually talking (well I was, and I was who you were responding to) - Announcements. Google announces 4.1 and the SDK followed suit. Microsoft announced Windows 8 - nothing. Google has no problem with me working with an SDK that may not be 100% ready to go. Microsoft says no thanks.
I guess you could say it's Microsoft's fault for releasing details on something that isn't ready to go yet, but I don't think that helps your case out much.
What are you going on about? Your comparing API access to G+ and GMail to an entire platforms SDK? Oranges and Apples. But you seem new to the internets, what with your only 2 posts ever made, so maybe you don't know how things work? Couldn't possibly be a shill..
The day Gingerbread/ICS/JB was announced I could develop for it - ok maybe there was a day or two while it was uploaded - but none of this "oh sorry, only a few developers are allowed to work on JB"
If anything wouldn't you want to get the SDK into developers hands ASAP so that, you know, apps can be written?
I'd be pissed if Google did this with Android 5.0, so why shouldn't developers for Win8 also be annoyed?
I've had the SDK installed since Google I/O - this is just a "final" revision to it. Really, not that big of a news item. I've gotten tons of updates on my phone that appear to be JB related - which is probably just the dev's targeting this release and testing it still works (And fixing what's required, which was probably pretty minimal)
Back in Dec I was looking for a new Laptop to replace my aging Macbook - I knew I wanted dedicated graphics to game (turns out I missed that more then I thought), and an i5 processor. 13" or maybe 14", not 15"
The MacBook at the time started at $1600 I believe if I wanted dedicated graphics. Instead I bought an Acer (I know I know) on sale for $700 (Canadian Prices) - 6G RAM, 750G SATA, 13.3", thin, no optical drive, camera, i5 CPU, nVidia 540M that has played everything I've tossed it's way. Regular price was $999.
If you can show me a MacBook (And now with the new ones, maybe you can) that give me that for $700 - please match the specs up, all the specs - I may honestly consider buying it. For Dev I'd like to target OSX, but not for that price. I took a quick peak, and looks like if I wanted dedicated GPU I need to get a 15" (or possibly a Retina starting at $2100, didn't bother to look at those).
I'd mod you interesting if I could - sounds quite heart breaking. In a way I'm a bit suprised, a lot of those guys making games back then did it out of love. Sure you had greedy bastards too, but I can't believe you didn't find any, or enough, of the guys that don't really care anymore to not go ahead with what your saying.
The GP may be on to something - the go away price. Some of these guys may have frankly not understood, or cared enough to read enough to understand, what you were asking.
I'd have definitely paid some (like you said, not D3) money for something like this. Tis a pity.
"People with common sense are minority. They should rule. People without common sense, dumb people, idiots, hillbillies, their name is Legion, should not have ANY say. That's all there is to it."
Do you realize how many crimes in the past have been done for words such as these?
"They are unable to take care of ourselves, it is in their best interest if we provide them civilization and a roof over their heads" - Paraphrase of what most slave owners would say back in the day.
Uh the only apps that have access to my contacts are apps that it make sense (text app, etc).
If everything you install requires access to all of those, your doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. You want to revolt against them? Great, start by NOT SUPPORTING THEM and NOT INSTALLING THE GAMES.
Of course, ranting about it on Slashdot probably makes you feel better.
Yeah, just like all the spying and such that went on between the US and Soviet Union - everytime someone was caught it ended up in a new world war.
Oh wait no it didn't. Just because the tools changed doesn't mean much else has. This sort of thing has gone on as long as nations have existed (if not longer), and will go on. If any of this is new or exciting for you, you need to get out more.
Enemy nations spy on each other. Friendly nations spy on each other. It's what nations do. It's not a "ZOMG this proves (nation I hate) is evil!" material.
Where'd you read that? Your comment is the first I've seen about this - and trust me I'm VERY interested in this and would love for it to be true. Considering the amount of time and effort Moz puts into their Android port, and how Dolphin even supports the Playbook, I somewhat doubt what you say but please prove me wrong.
Note I last looked for this info a week ago and couldn't find anything.
didn't mean it how you took it - but I see how what I wrote wasn't very clear. Point taken:)
Your absolutely correct I remember trying Opera Mini on I think even my Moto RAZR back in the day - I actually really like what Mini does (but haven't used it in years) All I ment was the reason Mini is allowed is because it uses a completely different technology style - one that doesn't download or execute external code using Apples words.
Your definition and mine of what a browser is are COMPLETELY different obviously. Sorry but if I write a front end and use some existing "library" as the rendering engine (AKA, the hard work / key part that makes the browser a browser and not a video game or a spreadsheet), and call myself a browser developer, that's kinda sad IMO. UI Developer? Sure! Absolutely. Browser? Nope.
Even if I say your right about your definition (which I don't think is correct), Apple is still restricting and locking out other parties from using their own browser technology. You have to use THEIRS.
So I guess your admiting that Apple restricts browsers, since you have to qualify your statement with "(and use built-in WebKit libraries)." Your iOS Rage not withstanding.
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Since when do we determine what a phone is based on physical dimensions? I've seen so many styles of phones - why not just let them be? Can't believe this is on Slashdot, I'd expect to see this on a site like Gizmodo more..
How about this - does it have a phone capability that doesn't require a bluetooth headset? Then I'd say it's a phone. Oh but hey, that is just as arbitrary as your definition.
Failed? By your thinking perhaps - probably not of the GP, nor of Samsungs Sales division. Just because you or me may not want a Note doesn't make it bad (my Nexus 4 is probably as big as I'd want to get) - it just makes us not the target customer.
Been an Android user since leaving my iPhone 3G after a year. Zero infections on my devices (rooted and unlocked, mind you) - Parents are on droid, haven't had to deinfect their phones yet. GF runs Android. No infections. Tablets.... no infections.
Sure, it's possible I'm infected and don't even know it, but then again I also can run tools that tell me what apps are doing (plus I'm warned what they are doing before they install) - can the same be said for iOS? Are you 100% sure Apples caught every security issue? Because I remember a few issues with the App store of theirs making the news..
"Man! That always burns me up to. I mean, once I spec out a system from somewhere else that actually meets the same specification why do the prices always line up? I can't figure that one out either."
Cool. Price me out a Mac Laptop with a non Intel GPU for under $1000. Naw I'll make it easier, under $1500 (prices are Canadian, but I'm not sure US prices would help you much)
I can't find one, so please point me in the right direction, your obviously better at this. Case in point my 13" laptop with nVidia GPU and an i5 processor was $800... Find me that. And if you do find one for $1500, explain what features makes it worth 2x the cost.
Thanks.
From a few posts down:
"Chrome for iOS has some pretty major technical restrictions imposed by the App Store, such as the requirement to use the built-in UIWebView for rendering, no V8, and a single-process model," explained Google engineer Mike Pinkerton
Those are actually some really good points... well said. Suffice to say I'm glad people smarter than I are in charge of this. If I was what they were looking for and in a different place in my life... I'd definitely consider something like this.
I disagree with your example, but not completely with what your trying to say.
80 is far too old. You'd have to put in to your calculations the odds of someone surviving, and at 80 I would say you have a greater risk of health issues, even if your healthier then most 30 year olds in a lot of respects.
I think a mix of ages would be best.. because your looking at such a long period of time, you woun't have anyone under say 35 probably eligable for this, so I'd say 35-60 or so might be good.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/11/18/if-youre-27-or-younger-youve-almost-certainly-experienced-many-colder-than-average-months/
"And this will give ammunition to those who would write off a warming planet as little more than a hoax. Alarmism has no place in a discussion of science. We should leave that to 24-hour cable news pundits."
Really? Price me out a Macbook with a non Intel GPU and tell me they are competitive. Unless somethings changed in the past 8 months, I couldn't find anything for less then $1800 CDN that had something better then Intel for the GPU.
I ended up buying a 13.3" i5 laptop for $800 with an OK nVidia GPU on it. Show me something comparable.
What about it?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Honeycomb-and-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-source-code-released-early_id23768
Uhh of course I meant Windows Phone 8 - sorry. In future JB = Jelly Bean, and ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich. I figured by now we'd know what we are referring to, but I was obviously mistaken. Sorry.
No I knew it was coming, but I also knew WP8 was coming before their announcement. I also know Android 5.0 is coming. And WP9. Again, what's your point?
Google never, not once, told the public "hey JB is coming! It's awesome. Oh and we have an SDK, but your not allowed to use it"
Public perception - Google, Apple, hell probably even RIM is doing a better job then MS right now with that.
Anyway - leaving the last comment to you - I'm done responding, but feel free to say what you want after this.
I'd like to say the initial release of the JB SDK was not considered finished - but my Googlefu isn't backing that up. However in the past "Beta" SDK's have been released, I know there was for R20.
http://www.landofdroid.com/2012/developers-android-r20-beta/
What your referring to - OEM partners - doesn't apply. That refers to handsets. Developers, for the most part, don't build handsets. Thats hardware. I'm talking software. I have NO idea who gets access to Microsofts "code" to make their handsets work, but I'd be very surprised if Nokia wasn't first in line..
Regardless - we are actually talking (well I was, and I was who you were responding to) - Announcements. Google announces 4.1 and the SDK followed suit. Microsoft announced Windows 8 - nothing. Google has no problem with me working with an SDK that may not be 100% ready to go. Microsoft says no thanks.
I guess you could say it's Microsoft's fault for releasing details on something that isn't ready to go yet, but I don't think that helps your case out much.
Huh? Google io. I watched it and downloaded the SDK that day. You seriously need a citation for that?
WP8 was announced this Summer. Where's your Confusion?
LOL at your insinuation that Microsoft's code is more open then Googles tho. That was gold.
What are you going on about? Your comparing API access to G+ and GMail to an entire platforms SDK? Oranges and Apples. But you seem new to the internets, what with your only 2 posts ever made, so maybe you don't know how things work? Couldn't possibly be a shill..
The day Gingerbread/ICS/JB was announced I could develop for it - ok maybe there was a day or two while it was uploaded - but none of this "oh sorry, only a few developers are allowed to work on JB"
If anything wouldn't you want to get the SDK into developers hands ASAP so that, you know, apps can be written?
I'd be pissed if Google did this with Android 5.0, so why shouldn't developers for Win8 also be annoyed?
Wow... Banyan VINES... now there's a name I haven't heard in a long long time. That was a pretty impressive system, back in the day.
I've had the SDK installed since Google I/O - this is just a "final" revision to it. Really, not that big of a news item. I've gotten tons of updates on my phone that appear to be JB related - which is probably just the dev's targeting this release and testing it still works (And fixing what's required, which was probably pretty minimal)
Back in Dec I was looking for a new Laptop to replace my aging Macbook - I knew I wanted dedicated graphics to game (turns out I missed that more then I thought), and an i5 processor. 13" or maybe 14", not 15"
The MacBook at the time started at $1600 I believe if I wanted dedicated graphics. Instead I bought an Acer (I know I know) on sale for $700 (Canadian Prices) - 6G RAM, 750G SATA, 13.3", thin, no optical drive, camera, i5 CPU, nVidia 540M that has played everything I've tossed it's way. Regular price was $999.
If you can show me a MacBook (And now with the new ones, maybe you can) that give me that for $700 - please match the specs up, all the specs - I may honestly consider buying it. For Dev I'd like to target OSX, but not for that price. I took a quick peak, and looks like if I wanted dedicated GPU I need to get a 15" (or possibly a Retina starting at $2100, didn't bother to look at those).
I'd mod you interesting if I could - sounds quite heart breaking. In a way I'm a bit suprised, a lot of those guys making games back then did it out of love. Sure you had greedy bastards too, but I can't believe you didn't find any, or enough, of the guys that don't really care anymore to not go ahead with what your saying.
The GP may be on to something - the go away price. Some of these guys may have frankly not understood, or cared enough to read enough to understand, what you were asking.
I'd have definitely paid some (like you said, not D3) money for something like this. Tis a pity.
The fact you got moded up at all is pretty scary.
"People with common sense are minority. They should rule. People without common sense, dumb people, idiots, hillbillies, their name is Legion, should not have ANY say. That's all there is to it."
Do you realize how many crimes in the past have been done for words such as these?
"They are unable to take care of ourselves, it is in their best interest if we provide them civilization and a roof over their heads" - Paraphrase of what most slave owners would say back in the day.
You are how oppresion begins.
Uh the only apps that have access to my contacts are apps that it make sense (text app, etc).
If everything you install requires access to all of those, your doing it wrong. Very, very wrong. You want to revolt against them? Great, start by NOT SUPPORTING THEM and NOT INSTALLING THE GAMES.
Of course, ranting about it on Slashdot probably makes you feel better.
You've never seen Google bashing on here. Seriously? What do we also love Sony?
Yeah, just like all the spying and such that went on between the US and Soviet Union - everytime someone was caught it ended up in a new world war.
Oh wait no it didn't. Just because the tools changed doesn't mean much else has. This sort of thing has gone on as long as nations have existed (if not longer), and will go on. If any of this is new or exciting for you, you need to get out more.
Enemy nations spy on each other. Friendly nations spy on each other. It's what nations do. It's not a "ZOMG this proves (nation I hate) is evil!" material.
Where'd you read that? Your comment is the first I've seen about this - and trust me I'm VERY interested in this and would love for it to be true. Considering the amount of time and effort Moz puts into their Android port, and how Dolphin even supports the Playbook, I somewhat doubt what you say but please prove me wrong.
Note I last looked for this info a week ago and couldn't find anything.
didn't mean it how you took it - but I see how what I wrote wasn't very clear. Point taken :)
Your absolutely correct I remember trying Opera Mini on I think even my Moto RAZR back in the day - I actually really like what Mini does (but haven't used it in years) All I ment was the reason Mini is allowed is because it uses a completely different technology style - one that doesn't download or execute external code using Apples words.
Your definition and mine of what a browser is are COMPLETELY different obviously. Sorry but if I write a front end and use some existing "library" as the rendering engine (AKA, the hard work / key part that makes the browser a browser and not a video game or a spreadsheet), and call myself a browser developer, that's kinda sad IMO. UI Developer? Sure! Absolutely. Browser? Nope.
Even if I say your right about your definition (which I don't think is correct), Apple is still restricting and locking out other parties from using their own browser technology. You have to use THEIRS.
So I guess your admiting that Apple restricts browsers, since you have to qualify your statement with "(and use built-in WebKit libraries)." Your iOS Rage not withstanding.