"I do not think that word means what you think it means"
Yes, I think your correct. However my point still stands in my view. Apple does explicitly prevent 3rd party browser engines on their devices. Saying that browser X is unique because it has a different front end is like saying that my Ford is just like that Ferrari cuz it's red and has windows. It's a completely different car/browser.
I'm reminded of doing help desk and someone says their computer won't work, and it's because their monitor is dead. "Oh that box down there? that's where the power goes in! is it important?"
particular browser? show me a browser that doesn't require Safari, and does rendering on device (you know, a real browser, unlike Opera Mini). Link to the Apple store please.
Show me one. Even one would be enough. I originally wrote a car analogy, but perhaps the words from an actual developer at Mozilla might help:
"I am a developer on the mobile Firefox team at Mozilla.
We currently have an iPhone App called Firefox Home, which lets you sync your Firefox tabs, history and bookmarks to your iOS device. You can get it from the app store, or read more here: http://www.mozilla.com/mobile/home/
We have no plans to release the full Firefox browser for Apple iOS devices. The current iOS SDK agreement forbids apps like Firefox that include their own compilers and interpreters:
“3.3.2 An Application may not download or install executable code. Interpreted code may only be used in an Application if all scripts, code and interpreters are packaged in the Application and not downloaded. The only exception to the foregoing is scripts and code downloaded and run by Apple’s built-in WebKit framework.”
ok. if other browsers are allowed then please recompile (or ask someone else to) Mozilla Firefox for iOS and submit to Apple for submission. What do you anticipate happening?
Either browsers are allowed and Mozilla can launch Firefox for iOS, or browsers are not allowed and they can't. Letting me skin a browser isn't an alternative web browser. That would be like saying IE6 didn't rule the interwebs back in the day because you could install 3rd party varients of it!
And the answer "I don't want Firefox" isn't a valid answer. We're not talking what you want to do, we're talking what you CAN do. Installing a non Safari based browser is not allowed (note Opera is the Mini version and gets around it by offloading the rendering to the cloud)
Sorry but I'm really tired of this "BUT THEY DO ALLOW IT!" comments I keep seeing on here. Show me Mozilla Firefox or Chrome or IE or something that doesn't need Safari on the phone AND does it's rendering on the phone and I'll believe it. Until then.. wrong. Apple will deny the app.
You can put Videos inside a PDF document now?!?! Please tell me your kidding.
That's like when I get those annoying "joke" emails that are in Powerpoint with loud music and walls of text. Or an Inventory system that uses a workbook in Excel.
If I was the Hulk, this is the kind of stuff that would turn me green.
Look closer. What you'll find are Opera Mini (off device rendering, no competing browser renderer installed on the iOS device) and front ends for Safari.
If someone can show me something like Firefox on iOS (Firefox Home isn't even remotely a browser) I'd be impressed.
Er... maybe when your in Google Docs you can.. uh only work with Google Docs?
"Naturally, Google's flexing its search muscles in as many ways as possible; if you scan in a newspaper clipping, a simple Search All within Drive will allow results to appear directly from said clipping. If you upload a shot of the Eiffel Tower, it'll show up whenever you search for the aforesaid icon. Moreover, Drive will allow folks to open over 30 types of documents directly from a web browser, including HD video, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop and more -- "even without the software installed on your computer." For those concerned about access, the new platform will have the same infrastructure as any other Google Apps services, giving admins a familiar set of management tools on that end." http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/24/google-drive-official-cloud-storage-details-docs/
I wouldn't say it's a DropBox killer or anything, Google needs to do a few changes for that to be true, but saying it only works with Docs or you require an Apps account I can't seem to find any basis for. After you enabled it in your Apps admin account, did you go back to drive.google.com or just to docs.google.com?
Actually that's all pretty much wrong.. it supports a lot more then Google Docs formated files - in fact even shows thumbnails apparently of a lot of standard file types when browsing. Integration seems to be it's sweet spot.
Don't need an Apps account - works fine on regular users (although it seems to be a phased rollout - it told me that my (Canadian) account will be enabled soon.
Don't remember telling you if you should care or not. Question was asked and I provided the answer. If that offended your fanboyism I apologize.
But while on the topic - We all know how well only having one Web browser (IE6) worked out for everyone. And if you're providing anecdotes - Safari runs like crap on Windows.
All alternate browsers must use the Safari rendering engine - in short you can get a fancy front end, but not a new backend (like say Firefox's backend, or Opera, etc) Note that Opera's Mini browser gets a pass since most work doesn't occur on the device, but Opera's backend servers. You can't get the "real" Opera browser on the phone.
Unless somethings changed in the last year, I can't port Opera or Firefox or Chrome over, etc
Really, your going to determine who gets medical treatment based on beliefs?
How is that better then when a religion does it? Oh wait let me guess, the difference is your way is the One True Way, and the others are wrong and most be shown the Light?
"Is this any different than requiring you to affirm your faith in god before taking comunion" Your comparing communion to medical treatment?
Not believing in science is DUMB. Granting medical access based on beliefs? Beyond dumb.
Microsoft Koolaid? Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm saying that the parent is wrong to say Windows 7 is more secure, it just hasn't been proven yet. Yes.. I'm attacking Microsoft by defending Microsoft. That's a new one.
Security through Obscurity DOES in fact exist. It's a crappy method, and unadvisable, but it exists. Are there vulnerabilities? Sure, there's just less people looking for them.
To be honest, the reason I feel that you see less exploits for Win7 Phones over iOS or Android is it's newer and has a MUCH smaller user base. Security through Obscurity. Assuming Win7 EVER breaks through, I expect to see more and more exploits / security issues for it as well.
Want a secure Mobile OS? Start with the user. Don't install a ton of apps, verify the permissions (if viewable) it is requesting is in line with what the app actually does (sending text is fine if it's a texting app, not so fine if it's some Wallpaper app, ugh), and go from there.
Look into those phones that run 2 OS's - one for "Work" (or Secure) and one for "Home" (or Play).
BTW - I've ran Palm, iOS and Android phones, never had an exploit on either. In both cases I chalk that up to luck and not being an idiot with installing stuff.
It should. I know there's Ubuntu running on the original Transformer (that's what I have) - don't have the dock or I'd have given it a go. Check out the Transformer XDA Forums for more info on it. It'll probably take a bit of work to get it going on this newer hardware, but I'd be suprised if it's not ported fast (Purely my own speculation, however)
Just remember it's still ARM.. not a full powered Intel/AMD chip running inside.
Sooo a discussion about Apple's 4S (which notably does not have 4G, and is stated as a Good Thing by many Apple fans due to the murder it does to batteries) vs Samsung (which in this case DOES do 4G).. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that this was yet another "4G sucks because the battery sucks" type comment.
Not to mention 2 of Jo42's previous few comments have been comparing Android to Hemorrhoid. Again, not really a stretch to consider his post a flame.
Another vote for TomatoUSB over DD-WRT - open source and very feature rich. The Asus RT-N16 runs great on Tomato - that's what I use and love it but like mentioned above it's only single band.
I think you should take some time, live in Iran for 5 years, then switch and live in the US for 5. I'd be curious if you'd consider the US a "dictatorship ruled by religious fundamentalists of the worst kind" after that.
Your other argument is highly flawed - having 1 nation with enough Nukes to destroy the world.. yeah that's bad. However we don't need Iran to step in and make sure the other guys don't nuke. We already have France, Britain, US, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc etc. At a point there's such a thing as too much. I think we already proved in the 50 previous years that the US and Russia/USSR was sufficient to keep a stalemate in check. Countries like Iran will likely never have enough nukes to counter the "dictatorship" of the US anyways - if the US is really so scary they are better off siding with China or the Russians.
Besides, if I was American (And I'm not) I wouldn't honestly be worried about Iran nuking me. However if I was in the middle east I'd be EXTREMELY concerned.
So basically your saying that assuming these hackers have gone in, recovered your password, AND you used the same password for your email, it's safe to assume they didn't change your password to lock you out?
Although no answer is perfect, in your solution you are requiring that the original WineHQ accounts are still uncompromised which is an unsafe assumption. Assuming the email is still safe is generally the safer of the two options. Using the email the only people that MIGHT get burned are those that used the same password on both. Both options involve risk.
Soooo I thought what you said was interesting, and I took a look around. The MiG31 is a 1975 design. The 29 was first flown in 1977. The Su series is, near as I can tell, designs based on the Sukhoi Company a major arms (warplane) builder. So saying the "SU series" is kinda dumb, since that includes designs from the 30s.....
Since you didn't bother to qualify any of your statements with anything, short of you providing proof, I'm going to have to label you troll. Nice try tho.
When I first decided to switch from iPhone to Android I had, for various reasons, 2 options open to me. SE's X10 and an Acer Liquid E. Similar stats, same processor (underclocked on the Acer) etc etc. However the X10 was rocking Android 1.6, while the Acer just went from 2.1 to 2.2 at the time. SE was slow and painful with their upgrades.
Fast forward to now, and I finally dropped the Acer and it's horrible build quality and went.. Sony Xperia (Play). I've gotten 2 firmware upgrades since getting it, and it even has a lot of nice touches specific to Sony like a Home Launcher that doesn't suck and features like xLoud. It's hard to believe this is the same SE that launched the X10 and then forgot about it. I've always liked the hardware, and now even the Software seems to be getting up to snuff.
I'm still a bit leary, I mean in a year they seemed to do a 180, and in a year they could do it again and go back to the old ways, but so far I'm liking it. What they really need to start doing however is releasing some dual core phones to keep up with the competition (that new Galaxy S 2 looks amazing), maybe even a newer Xperia Play that supports HDMI out (big screw up on their part in the original)
Thanks for the response:) My friend has the A, and shares your experiences - he recommended me the DIR-655 actually, and if it wasn't for this one bug I'd agree with him that it's a decent router. His works fine tho.. I guess the B stands for Bad?:( I agree I rather like the computer name feature to select from the list... there ARE things I like about the 655, but this is a deal breaker for me.
As I mentioned in my post, it isn't this post that I'm responding to - it's the 5 or 6 responses PER GOOGLE ARTICLE he has negatively towards Google and positive towards Apple that makes me wonder why he cares so much.
Seriously - every time I'm reading comments on Android I can almost guarantee I see him pointing out the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. It's just as annoying if you swap Apple and Google's names around.
I guess I don't know why anyone would care THAT much about, well, anything - and so wanted to know why.
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"I do not think that word means what you think it means"
Yes, I think your correct. However my point still stands in my view. Apple does explicitly prevent 3rd party browser engines on their devices. Saying that browser X is unique because it has a different front end is like saying that my Ford is just like that Ferrari cuz it's red and has windows. It's a completely different car/browser.
I'm reminded of doing help desk and someone says their computer won't work, and it's because their monitor is dead. "Oh that box down there? that's where the power goes in! is it important?"
particular browser? show me a browser that doesn't require Safari, and does rendering on device (you know, a real browser, unlike Opera Mini). Link to the Apple store please.
Show me one. Even one would be enough. I originally wrote a car analogy, but perhaps the words from an actual developer at Mozilla might help:
"I am a developer on the mobile Firefox team at Mozilla.
We currently have an iPhone App called Firefox Home, which lets you sync your Firefox tabs, history and bookmarks to your iOS device. You can get it from the app store, or read more here: http://www.mozilla.com/mobile/home/
We have no plans to release the full Firefox browser for Apple iOS devices. The current iOS SDK agreement forbids apps like Firefox that include their own compilers and interpreters:
“3.3.2 An Application may not download or install executable code. Interpreted code may only be used in an Application if all scripts, code and interpreters are packaged in the Application and not downloaded. The only exception to the foregoing is scripts and code downloaded and run by Apple’s built-in WebKit framework.”
Other browsers for iOS use the built-in WebKit libraries (like Skyfire) or do not execute any JavaScript on the device itself (like Opera Mini, which uses a proxy server). But unless Apple removes these restrictions, full browsers like Firefox are not allowed on iOS."
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/will-firefox-mobile-ever-be-released-for-ios-devices-no-blame-apple/10770
this is back in 2010, did something change? If so, show me the updated information.
ok. if other browsers are allowed then please recompile (or ask someone else to) Mozilla Firefox for iOS and submit to Apple for submission. What do you anticipate happening?
Either browsers are allowed and Mozilla can launch Firefox for iOS, or browsers are not allowed and they can't. Letting me skin a browser isn't an alternative web browser. That would be like saying IE6 didn't rule the interwebs back in the day because you could install 3rd party varients of it!
And the answer "I don't want Firefox" isn't a valid answer. We're not talking what you want to do, we're talking what you CAN do. Installing a non Safari based browser is not allowed (note Opera is the Mini version and gets around it by offloading the rendering to the cloud)
Sorry but I'm really tired of this "BUT THEY DO ALLOW IT!" comments I keep seeing on here. Show me Mozilla Firefox or Chrome or IE or something that doesn't need Safari on the phone AND does it's rendering on the phone and I'll believe it. Until then.. wrong. Apple will deny the app.
You can put Videos inside a PDF document now?!?! Please tell me your kidding.
That's like when I get those annoying "joke" emails that are in Powerpoint with loud music and walls of text. Or an Inventory system that uses a workbook in Excel.
If I was the Hulk, this is the kind of stuff that would turn me green.
Look closer. What you'll find are Opera Mini (off device rendering, no competing browser renderer installed on the iOS device) and front ends for Safari.
If someone can show me something like Firefox on iOS (Firefox Home isn't even remotely a browser) I'd be impressed.
fair enough... i can't access it either (assuming rollout over next few days / week i hope google?), so only going off 3rd party.
hopefully, for Google's sake, this is just growing pains on the first day..
Er... maybe when your in Google Docs you can.. uh only work with Google Docs?
"Naturally, Google's flexing its search muscles in as many ways as possible; if you scan in a newspaper clipping, a simple Search All within Drive will allow results to appear directly from said clipping. If you upload a shot of the Eiffel Tower, it'll show up whenever you search for the aforesaid icon. Moreover, Drive will allow folks to open over 30 types of documents directly from a web browser, including HD video, Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop and more -- "even without the software installed on your computer." For those concerned about access, the new platform will have the same infrastructure as any other Google Apps services, giving admins a familiar set of management tools on that end."
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/24/google-drive-official-cloud-storage-details-docs/
I wouldn't say it's a DropBox killer or anything, Google needs to do a few changes for that to be true, but saying it only works with Docs or you require an Apps account I can't seem to find any basis for. After you enabled it in your Apps admin account, did you go back to drive.google.com or just to docs.google.com?
Why would you trust ANY 3rd party host for storing this unencrypted?
Actually that's all pretty much wrong.. it supports a lot more then Google Docs formated files - in fact even shows thumbnails apparently of a lot of standard file types when browsing. Integration seems to be it's sweet spot.
Don't need an Apps account - works fine on regular users (although it seems to be a phased rollout - it told me that my (Canadian) account will be enabled soon.
Don't remember telling you if you should care or not. Question was asked and I provided the answer. If that offended your fanboyism I apologize.
But while on the topic - We all know how well only having one Web browser (IE6) worked out for everyone. And if you're providing anecdotes - Safari runs like crap on Windows.
All alternate browsers must use the Safari rendering engine - in short you can get a fancy front end, but not a new backend (like say Firefox's backend, or Opera, etc) Note that Opera's Mini browser gets a pass since most work doesn't occur on the device, but Opera's backend servers. You can't get the "real" Opera browser on the phone.
Unless somethings changed in the last year, I can't port Opera or Firefox or Chrome over, etc
Really, your going to determine who gets medical treatment based on beliefs?
How is that better then when a religion does it? Oh wait let me guess, the difference is your way is the One True Way, and the others are wrong and most be shown the Light?
"Is this any different than requiring you to affirm your faith in god before taking comunion"
Your comparing communion to medical treatment?
Not believing in science is DUMB. Granting medical access based on beliefs? Beyond dumb.
Microsoft Koolaid? Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm saying that the parent is wrong to say Windows 7 is more secure, it just hasn't been proven yet. Yes.. I'm attacking Microsoft by defending Microsoft. That's a new one.
Security through Obscurity DOES in fact exist. It's a crappy method, and unadvisable, but it exists. Are there vulnerabilities? Sure, there's just less people looking for them.
To be honest, the reason I feel that you see less exploits for Win7 Phones over iOS or Android is it's newer and has a MUCH smaller user base. Security through Obscurity. Assuming Win7 EVER breaks through, I expect to see more and more exploits / security issues for it as well.
Want a secure Mobile OS? Start with the user. Don't install a ton of apps, verify the permissions (if viewable) it is requesting is in line with what the app actually does (sending text is fine if it's a texting app, not so fine if it's some Wallpaper app, ugh), and go from there.
Look into those phones that run 2 OS's - one for "Work" (or Secure) and one for "Home" (or Play).
BTW - I've ran Palm, iOS and Android phones, never had an exploit on either. In both cases I chalk that up to luck and not being an idiot with installing stuff.
It should. I know there's Ubuntu running on the original Transformer (that's what I have) - don't have the dock or I'd have given it a go. Check out the Transformer XDA Forums for more info on it. It'll probably take a bit of work to get it going on this newer hardware, but I'd be suprised if it's not ported fast (Purely my own speculation, however)
Just remember it's still ARM.. not a full powered Intel/AMD chip running inside.
Sooo a discussion about Apple's 4S (which notably does not have 4G, and is stated as a Good Thing by many Apple fans due to the murder it does to batteries) vs Samsung (which in this case DOES do 4G).. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that this was yet another "4G sucks because the battery sucks" type comment.
Not to mention 2 of Jo42's previous few comments have been comparing Android to Hemorrhoid. Again, not really a stretch to consider his post a flame.
With the 4G on probably less then when he has the 4G off?
Battery life a Samsung phone with 4G on: I'd say poor
Battery life a Samsung phone with 4G off: I'd say good to great
Battery life of an iPhone with 4G on: 0, because you aren't allowed to
Battery life of an iPhone with 4G off: great
Yeah, that's Apple winning right there. Let me guess when the iPhone 5 comes out with 4G, 4G will then be awesome?
Another vote for TomatoUSB over DD-WRT - open source and very feature rich. The Asus RT-N16 runs great on Tomato - that's what I use and love it but like mentioned above it's only single band.
I think you should take some time, live in Iran for 5 years, then switch and live in the US for 5. I'd be curious if you'd consider the US a "dictatorship ruled by religious fundamentalists of the worst kind" after that.
Your other argument is highly flawed - having 1 nation with enough Nukes to destroy the world.. yeah that's bad. However we don't need Iran to step in and make sure the other guys don't nuke. We already have France, Britain, US, China, Russia, Pakistan, India, etc etc. At a point there's such a thing as too much. I think we already proved in the 50 previous years that the US and Russia/USSR was sufficient to keep a stalemate in check. Countries like Iran will likely never have enough nukes to counter the "dictatorship" of the US anyways - if the US is really so scary they are better off siding with China or the Russians.
Besides, if I was American (And I'm not) I wouldn't honestly be worried about Iran nuking me. However if I was in the middle east I'd be EXTREMELY concerned.
So basically your saying that assuming these hackers have gone in, recovered your password, AND you used the same password for your email, it's safe to assume they didn't change your password to lock you out?
Although no answer is perfect, in your solution you are requiring that the original WineHQ accounts are still uncompromised which is an unsafe assumption. Assuming the email is still safe is generally the safer of the two options. Using the email the only people that MIGHT get burned are those that used the same password on both. Both options involve risk.
Soooo I thought what you said was interesting, and I took a look around. The MiG31 is a 1975 design. The 29 was first flown in 1977. The Su series is, near as I can tell, designs based on the Sukhoi Company a major arms (warplane) builder. So saying the "SU series" is kinda dumb, since that includes designs from the 30s.....
Since you didn't bother to qualify any of your statements with anything, short of you providing proof, I'm going to have to label you troll. Nice try tho.
When I first decided to switch from iPhone to Android I had, for various reasons, 2 options open to me. SE's X10 and an Acer Liquid E. Similar stats, same processor (underclocked on the Acer) etc etc. However the X10 was rocking Android 1.6, while the Acer just went from 2.1 to 2.2 at the time. SE was slow and painful with their upgrades.
Fast forward to now, and I finally dropped the Acer and it's horrible build quality and went.. Sony Xperia (Play). I've gotten 2 firmware upgrades since getting it, and it even has a lot of nice touches specific to Sony like a Home Launcher that doesn't suck and features like xLoud. It's hard to believe this is the same SE that launched the X10 and then forgot about it. I've always liked the hardware, and now even the Software seems to be getting up to snuff.
I'm still a bit leary, I mean in a year they seemed to do a 180, and in a year they could do it again and go back to the old ways, but so far I'm liking it. What they really need to start doing however is releasing some dual core phones to keep up with the competition (that new Galaxy S 2 looks amazing), maybe even a newer Xperia Play that supports HDMI out (big screw up on their part in the original)
Thanks for the response :) My friend has the A, and shares your experiences - he recommended me the DIR-655 actually, and if it wasn't for this one bug I'd agree with him that it's a decent router. His works fine tho.. I guess the B stands for Bad? :( I agree I rather like the computer name feature to select from the list... there ARE things I like about the 655, but this is a deal breaker for me.
As I mentioned in my post, it isn't this post that I'm responding to - it's the 5 or 6 responses PER GOOGLE ARTICLE he has negatively towards Google and positive towards Apple that makes me wonder why he cares so much.
Seriously - every time I'm reading comments on Android I can almost guarantee I see him pointing out the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. It's just as annoying if you swap Apple and Google's names around.
I guess I don't know why anyone would care THAT much about, well, anything - and so wanted to know why.
Agreed... a WRT54G with WirelessN and Gig ports would be about as perfect as perfection can be as far as I'm concerned.