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Smartphone Screen Real Estate: How Big Is Big Enough?

MojoKid writes "Aside from the terrible nickname (it sounds like a term for the spoiled offspring of fabulous people), phablets are somewhat controversial because they seem to be the epitome of inflated phone sizes. A lot of people wanted bigger, and this is 'bigger' to the extreme. A larger screen on a smartphone is attractive for obvious reasons, but surely there's a limit. So how big is too big? If you're not into parsing out the particulars of form factors and use cases, here's a really easy way to figure out if your phone or phablet is too big: Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone."

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  1. I have a Galaxy Note by maroberts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..and it fits perfectly in my breast shirt pocket. I don't put phones in trouser/pants pockets ever since I broke a screen of one by doing so.

    I love the Note as its large display makes a great GPS device when in its car holder.
    The main thing I want in a smartphone now is enormous battery life as well as the features. I do miss the days when you could charge your phone once a week, but not so much I'm willing to go back to having a basic phone.

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    1. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by gigaherz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope you place it with the screen towards you, at least. I don't know where they place the antennas nowadays, but I wouldn't want a device emitting microwaves onto my lungs/heart... nor my genitals, either.

    2. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by gigaherz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Forgot to say, disable broadband connections (stick to GSM) and WiFi unless you need them, turn down the screen brightness, and avoid having background tasks, specially those with constant internet connections (PUSH notifications use a single service for all the notifications, and it's server-initiated instead of polled, so they don't matter as much). You can triple the battery life that way.

    3. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't worry, it's going to be at least 3 years before phones get big enough to rub your genitals while you're on the phone. For now you have to do that yourself.

      In the meantime, enjoy this vision of the future.

      (Safe for Work)

    4. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by arkhan_jg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Me too. I keep it mostly in my suit jacket inside pocket most of the time, or my coat pocket when casual - I wear slacks instead of jeans, so it goes there (in a case) in summer.

      The bigger screen is glorious for email and web browsing - especially in landscape - going back to my old 4" galaxy s feels like using a toy phone now, it's just so small.

      I can unlock and text with my thumb if I want to (helllllo, swype and now swiftkey flow) and running on cyanogenmod 10.1 the thing is lovely and fast. I do tend to hold it in one hand and type with the other though. I use it more than my nexus 7, simply because I always have it with me, though the mini tablet is ideal for sofa browsing and meetings as it can still be held one handed but gives that bit more screen estate.

      I don't see myself going back to any smartphone that's significantly smaller than 5"; even the galaxy s3 (which is pretty large for a smartphone in its own right) is a bit small for my preference now.

      I guess it's what you use it for; mine is a full blown mini computer, complete with ssh client, that fits in my pocket. Mobile data is where it's at, and actual phone calls are a bit of a rarity. I can get two days out of my note no problem, because the battery is that much wider. Not sure I'd want it much thicker though, would make it harder to span your hand round it, even when you do have big-man hands like me. Just have to hope some of the promised battery tech improvements that keep showing up in research actually start ending up in real devices.

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    5. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Dodgy+G33za · · Score: 1

      Especially if he puts the phone in his shirt pocket.

    6. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can triple the battery life that way.

      So... Three hours?

    7. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I'm not really too fussed about RF radiation, since I'm already older than the half-life of Pu-238 (or that's how it feels sometimes) and sooner or later, something's got to make me croak.

      I put the screen towards me (in my pants pocket) after an experience ~10 years ago when I managed to bugger up the outer screen of a Motorola clamshell while unloading some machinery off a trailer. It would have cost more than the phone was worth to fix it, so the screen stayed broken until the phone came up for replacement.

    8. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I hate push notifications. Especially when my attempts to suspend them don't stick, so the unwanted traffic costs big-time when roaming.

      I set my mail client (K-9 Mail) to poll my 3 most-used addresses via POP3 at differing intervals, to keep traffic to a minimum, and limit the maximum size of the message.

    9. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by erroneus · · Score: 1
    10. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hear hear. I have a Galaxy Note N7000 and think its the best thing since sliced bread.

      I got it when it first came out, and from 2.3 to 4.0 to 4.1 each update has been amazing.

      I started out with a Sony Ericsson P900, P990i, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, HTC Sensation (which I loved) and then Galaxy Note.

      So my last 2 phones I kept getting bigger, and I never looked back.

      I keep my phone in my front jeans pocket and never had a problem with it being 'too large'. Though I must admit, any time I've seen someone holding my phone to their head on a call looked comical and so I guess I must look the same when I am talking on my phone. Oh well. :D

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    11. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      3 hours? Seriously? My Galaxy Note N7000 lasts 4 days - YES 4 DAYS - of a single charge.

      As long as you're not looking at your screen to check your facebook stream or w/e every 2 minutes your phone can acutally last a while.

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    12. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by gigaherz · · Score: 2

      From barely 20-22 hours "idle", to nearly 70, in my case.

    13. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by guises · · Score: 1

      You don't think that the oversized phone is the reason it broke in your pocket? I've never had any problems with that, but I have a strong preference for smaller phones. I use a Nexus One most of the time.

    14. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by SillyPerson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please mod parent up!
      Not because he had anything profound to say, but he spelled 'Hear, hear' correctly.
      (He forgot the comma, but I let that slide).

    15. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by maroberts · · Score: 2

      The phone that I broke in my pocket was a standard size phone. (Samsung G800 IIRC)

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    16. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      khaki pants, wants a 5+" smartphone, no surprise really

    17. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by strikethree · · Score: 2

      I have a Galaxy Note as well and I love it. Almost the perfect size. Small enough to fit into a pocket and large enough to mostly use the web browser in fully functional mode.

      AFAIK, the camera does not work with Cyanogen Mod 10. Have they fixed that problem yet?

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    18. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Xiph1980 · · Score: 2

      Hmm, I think current smartphones are far too big.
      I'd kill for a nicely sized 3.5" android phone like the HTC Rhyme, but then with the innards of a current smartphone, e.g. "high" resolution screen (minimally apple's 960x640), dual- or quad-core snapdragon, good battery life (minimally 2 days high usage), and bonus if it's a core android system, so nexus style, rootable, no proprietary stuff nor bloatware. Extra props if it has that water-proofing those new sony phones have.
      I don't really care about phones being 7.5mm thin, I don't mind having a few millimeters extra if that means I actually have a battery worth its salt, because realistically you don't really notice those two millimeters extra during usage. It's just a bragging thing between producers really. It's not like phones nowadays are the refrigerator models of ye olden days.

      If anything like that is thrown on the market, I'd buy it. Got a SGS2 now, but it's just a bit too large for my taste, and I doubt I'm the only one that thinks this.
      I really wonder why the producers don't offer real choice, instead of having 200 small and underpowered devices, and 10 oversized and nicely powered devices.

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    19. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Wingsy · · Score: 1

      Yes, you certainly do.

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    20. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Galaxy Note - the pocket protector of the 21st century!

    21. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      yeah, but what was old is new again. (work safe).

    22. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is full of Dom Jollys these days.

    23. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, the camera does not work with Cyanogen Mod 10. Have they fixed that problem yet?

      Been working for a while - they fixed most of the hardware bugs for the n7000 around the 10.1 timeframe (the shift to jellybean 4.2), including getting good quality mali drivers for the graphics chip. I tried the official stock 4.1 rom that came out the other week - cyanogenmod is actually smoother than stock now, and I went back - well, strictly speaking, to a a new linaro compiled cyanogenmod 10.1 base, carbonrom that works lovely.

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    24. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Crap. I have the AT&T version. I will check and see if the camera issue is fixed in 10 though. I currently run vanilla CM9.1.

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    25. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by johnlcallaway · · Score: 2

      I stuck with my Skyrocket because I carry my phone in my front pants pocket. I lost my last one carrying it in my shirt pocket, It fell out in some cow field out around Portal, Arizona when I bent down to open a gate to drive through on an off road trip.

      My wife has a Galaxy Note, but she carries it in her purse. I tried it out in my front pants pocket, but I felt it was too big, so I'm staying put. She looked at the newest model, and it fits her purse so she is all about getting the new one now as soon as hers breaks. I foresee a misstep around the pool coming up when it gets warmer out....

      Different needs for different people. That's why we both prefer our Android phones to Apple, many styles and types to choose from instead of white or black.

      I did this test to figure out optimal size. We have a 42" TV, so I sat on the couch and held my phone out in front of me so that the relative width of both the TV and the phone was the same. It was a comfortable distance, which explains why I don't mind watching TV on the phones, even though the sound is much worse than a Dolby Surround system. However, I have to hold it within 4 inches of my face to make the screen the same relative size as my monitor. Which explains why I don't like to use it as a browser much. Based on that test, it would have to be two to three times as wide to make it useful for browsing. Plus typing on it still sucks when compared to a keyboard. At least for me, I type 75 words a minute. Glad I took 'typing' 30 years ago in high school....

      So I don't see much of a need to go bigger, until bigger is big enough to browse. Or is reasonable to use on glasses.

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    26. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      But is it a phone? Where do we draw the line between phone and tablet. I suggest this:

      Can you operate the Galaxy Note with one hand without it feeling like you're juggling? i.e. Resting on your hand, with the tips of your fingers holding the far edge, can your thumb reach the furthest corners of the screen to press a button. If not, it's failed as a phone.

      It might be fine as a mini tablet.

    27. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      If you aren't really using the smartphone that much, you'd almost be better off with a tablet (with a data connection if you want) and a dumb phone. The tablet can stay off until you need it and the phone can last tons longer (saw and article about a Nokia dumb phone that would last 35 days per charge).

    28. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Funny

      I hope you place it with the screen towards you, at least. I don't know where they place the antennas nowadays, but I wouldn't want a device emitting microwaves onto my lungs/heart... nor my genitals, either.

      It's OK, I always keep a pack of cigarettes between the phone and my chest.

    29. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. I, for one, am not intimidated by my large equipment.

    30. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never EVER wear suits and very, VERY seldom wear slacks. It's jeans and t-shirts all the way with me, even in church. I usually don't have a shirt pocket, and I never keep the phone in one because anything in my shirt pocket falls out whenever I bend over. I'm neither female nor European so I don't carry a purse.

      The phone I have now, a motorola feature phone (no, I don't need angry birds), a flip phone with querty keyboard, is too big for my tastes but it's the smallest phone I could find. I miss my old Razr, that was the best phone I ever had. It and my present phone does/did everything I need a phone for -- calling, texting, emailing, surfing the web. If I want to play computer games I'll get on the computer.

      So if you want a mini-tablet, good for you, I'm glad they make them. But I wish they'd make some phones for normal, non-suit-wearing males who carry their phones in pants pockets. The manufacturers seem to have forgotten about 90% of males.

    31. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DiSKiller speaks the truth... My Note2 will last atleast a full day of HEAVY use. Many days with normal use.

      OP was talking about the Note... Notes have fantabulous battery life.

    32. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Krojack · · Score: 1

      I have a Note 2. Yesterday I went out and played Ingress for about 5 hours. Screen & GPS on almost that entire time. My battery went from 95% to 50%. I would say that's pretty good.

    33. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note 2, in my back pocket since release date. Don't think twice about it.

    34. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Yeah, carry a tablet around in your pocket all day, good idea.

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    35. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      AT&T version is totally different, Qualcomm Snapdragon S3 instead of Exynos 4210.

      I'm fairly certain both quincy variants received CM10 stable.

      10.1 is quite a bit behind as Qualcomm took a while to work on 4.2 for MSM8660, and nearly everyone who was working on 8660 devices also had 8960 devices that took priority. :)

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    36. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Check out the RAZR MAXX if you want to sort out the battery life issue. It's also a great phone...

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    37. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Every time I bend over for my corporate overlords (or to pick up something) the phone falls out of my shirt pocket, so I use my trouser pocket.

    38. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The sad bit is that I would buy one of those before a real iPhone 5. Hello measuring tape! Hello decent antenna!

      C'mon Apple. Think differently.

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    39. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it's mostly women who buy Notes because they can carry them in their purse.

      OP has a girl phone, naynaynay.

    40. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you guys like these giant phones, because it drives down the prices for the size I prefer. I currently have a Samsung Exhibit 4g. CM10 runs on it adequately and my thumb can reach the whole screen. And for around $150 (no contract), I can forgive the laggy Google voice command stuff.

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    41. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      iPad mini, Kindle Fire, Nook Tablet. All of these are about as pocketable as some of the phones but have much better battery life (especially if you shut them down instead of put them to sleep) and would provide you with your data consumption needs.

      I'm not saying this is right for everyone, but the poster above was saying that they shut off data and what not and barely use their smartphone in order to conserve battery life. I'd argue that if battery life is that important, switch to carrying two devices -- one for phone and one for data.

    42. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

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    43. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by tcc3 · · Score: 1
    44. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Well here you have it. You're using your phone as a phone.

      I mean, it's good to be open minded, celebrate diversity and all and not make personal judgements based on limited information but I've got to ask.

      Have you talked to any professionals about your little problem?

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    45. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Reapman · · Score: 1

      Since when do we determine what a phone is based on physical dimensions? I've seen so many styles of phones - why not just let them be? Can't believe this is on Slashdot, I'd expect to see this on a site like Gizmodo more..

      How about this - does it have a phone capability that doesn't require a bluetooth headset? Then I'd say it's a phone. Oh but hey, that is just as arbitrary as your definition.

      Failed? By your thinking perhaps - probably not of the GP, nor of Samsungs Sales division. Just because you or me may not want a Note doesn't make it bad (my Nexus 4 is probably as big as I'd want to get) - it just makes us not the target customer.

    46. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as you're not looking at your screen to check your facebook stream or w/e every 2 minutes your phone can acutally last a while.

      So, the only way to extend battery life is to not use the battery? I can get 96+ idle hours on my iPhone if I really want to, but what's the point? An idle phone is nothing more than an expensive paperweight.

    47. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Deathspawner · · Score: 1

      A lot of people don't realize that simply turning off WiFi alone is enough to make a tremendous difference. I have an aging Sony Xperia that lasts a single day with WiFi enabled, or literally a week with it disabled (which assumes no talk time).

    48. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Since when do we determine what a phone is based on physical dimensions?

      Since we were commenting on a story which asked the question: "Smartphone Screen Real Estate: How Big Is Big Enough?"

      Just because you or me may not want a Note doesn't make it bad (my Nexus 4 is probably as big as I'd want to get) - it just makes us not the target customer.

      As I said, it might be a fine tablet. But but IMHO it fails as a phone if it's too big (or your hands are too small) to operate one handed. As per the test I outlined.

    49. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I think current smartphones are far too big.

      Well, I thought my HTC Dream was about the right size. My current Samsung Captivate Glide is bigger, but still ok (although despite the extra size, the keyboard is nowhere near as nice as the Dream's). I don't think I'd want anything bigger than the Glide though... But this is all personal preference and comes down to what you want out of your phone. The question "are phones getting too big" can simply be answered with "do people buy them?" - if the answer is yes then clearly they fit some peoples' criteria. Isn't the whole point of having lots of different handsets to provide people with a wide choice that allows them to pick the one that best does what they want? There's no point in everyone making identical handsets - there would be nothing to choose between them; instead, so long as there are a wide variety of sizes, styles, etc then everyone's happy, right? (Well, everyone except the iphone fanboys who seem to think that not having to choose and just sucking up whatever Apple puts in front of you is a better option).

      I don't really care about phones being 7.5mm thin, I don't mind having a few millimeters extra if that means I actually have a battery worth its salt

      I do wonder what goes through the heads of the marketing people who make a big noise about how their new tablet is "the thinnest ever" because its 0.3mm thinner than the competition (I'm looking at you Sony) - seriously, you'd struggle to notice the difference if you had the tablets side by side, let alone if you were actually using it...

    50. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, it's going to be at least 3 years before phones get big enough to rub your genitals while you're on the phone

      For those of us with sufficiently big equipment we don't need big phones to compensate.

    51. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Zerth · · Score: 1

      5 hours of Ingress?

      Well I know what phone I'm buying next.

    52. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So that's what Sergey meant when he said they were emasculating! So, I guess Google Glass is going for the "electronic stoner" effect.

    53. Re: I have a Galaxy Note by babybird · · Score: 1

      Your test is a little invalid. you're using it to determine whether it should be considered a phone or a tablet here, but in order to use it as a PHONE, you don't need to be able to reach the whole screen with your thumb while holding the device in one hand. You only need to be able to reach the dialer buttons which only occupy the lower half of the screen at full size, and only one corner of the lower half of the screen when you enable the one-handed operation mode for people with smaller hands.

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    54. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone

      I would add two additional qualities to the list in the summary:

      4) can you dial easily with one hand?
      5) does it fit in your pants pocket comfortably?

      A small user base may want what is essentially the 21st century equivalent of a pocket protector (or a hip holster) but most of us men carry things in our pants pockets. Many women would carry it in purses, which would negate issue (5), but issues (1) through (4) would be even more pronounced.

    55. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      iOS allows you to enable / disable push notifications on a case-by-case basis. it's all in a single setting, so you can toggle all notifications whenever you want. Also, iOS has a setting to disable the data connection when you're roaming, so you can toggle that when you need it as well. options, they're great!

    56. Re: I have a Galaxy Note by Xeranar · · Score: 1

      Yes in some distant land this argument makes sense. Along with carrying a bag to save that 30-40 a month that I imagine for most /. posters amount to 1% of their pay.

      I love my Note II and battery life is about 5-7 hours of continuous use. I can go 2 days between charges with average use but I charge every night.

    57. Re: I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You only need to be able to reach the dialer buttons which only occupy the lower half of the screen at full size, and only one corner of the lower half of the screen when you enable the one-handed operation mode for people with smaller hands.

      You missed the bit about the tips of the fingers holding the far edge. If it's wider than the distance between the top joint of your fingers and the crook of your thumb, then you are not gripping it. And when you lift your thumb to move from one button to another on the screen, the device would fall out of your hand.

      I accept that the literal definition of a phone involves voice telephony. What I'm saying is it's a failure of a mobile phone - a bad mobile phone - if you can't hold it and operate it in one hand.

      If you're walking with a case, or strap hanging in a train, you should be able to take your phone out and call someone, without the likelyhood of the phone falling out of your hand.

      Once again, I'm not saying failing that makes it a bad device. It might be fine as a mini-tablet. But it's not a good phone.

    58. Re: I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't actually miss it, I only said your thumb doesn't have to reach all the way across the screen to be usable with one hand.

      Your points are valid, but I would also add that it's only a failure in the design of a mobile phone if no one could operate it in that manner, otherwise it's really more a failure of the user's choice or prioritization than the design of the device.

    59. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      Good criteria - my LG p698f is a phone, using this.

    60. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by kipling · · Score: 1

      This, this

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    61. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Xiph1980 · · Score: 1

      I know, I have looked at it, but Motorola is hard to get a hold on in the Netherlands, if you want it bundled with the contract. Would've gone for that one otherwise. :-)

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    62. Re: I have a Galaxy Note by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      I have very small hands (17cm from wrist to tip of middle finger, 9cm long middle finger from base of knuckle to tip, 11cm from wrist to tip of thumb.) I can comfortably use a Note II with one hand. I tend to naturally palm the edge to help hold it up when I want to reach from one corner to the other. The movement doesn't feel odd to me, though I'm sure it would to some people.

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    63. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by magarity · · Score: 1

      and I have a Note 2 because totally unlike the whippersnapper in the article with his prissy list of "small enough" tests, my main criteria is whether or not the screen is big enough to see it easily.

    64. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a stupid fucking comment.

    65. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell phones don't emit Microwaves dumb-ass go live in a hippie enclave with no electricity if you don't know the difference between ionizing and non-ionizing and think every little EM field will harm you.

    66. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Bryan+Bytehead · · Score: 1

      4) can you dial easily with one hand?
      5) does it fit in your pants pocket comfortably?

      On #4, I use my Note two handed. Which isn't that big a deal. I use Swype, so I'm not tapping out individual keys, and I would still have trouble using Swype with a smaller phone, as my digits aren't wired that way to hold and try to Swype with my thumb. And the previous device I used, a Palm TX, was certainly used two handed, so I really don't have an issue of using it two handed. Even my daughter's GS 2, I have to use two handed, and that's a fairly small phone.

      On #5, it fits in all of my pants pockets comfortably, at least the front ones. I'd probably break the Gorilla Glass front if I kept it in any of my back pockets. I tend to break the unbreakable combs somehow, already.

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    67. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      I got the Note 2 and I can use it one handed just fine.

      But, your test is actually invalid, because it makes wrong assumptions.

      with the tips of your fingers holding the far edge

      That's not needed, finger tips just needs to be beyond the balance point at the middle of the back. Combine that with resting the phone edge to theflat of the hand, and you actually got a pretty decent grip.

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    68. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      That's not needed, finger tips just needs to be beyond the balance point at the middle of the back. Combine that with resting the phone edge to theflat of the hand, and you actually got a pretty decent grip.

      The famous last words uttered before: *SMASH* shit!

      There's a big difference between holding a phone and balancing a phone.

    69. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't hold your breath, I've had this phone since November, and I still haven't lost it while holding it that way.

      Maybe I'm just not as clumsy as other people, but hey, no one is judging.

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    70. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      "It hasn't happened to me in 4 months" has never been the arbiter of what is safe. People who balance their phone in their hand rather than hold it are far more likely to drop it. It's hardly rocket science.

      Of course you think it won't happen to you personally. Everybody thinks that till it does. It's one of the fundamental flaws of human risk perception.

      Before it happens you assume people that it happens to are "clumsy". After, you'll say it could have happened to anyone and curse your bad luck.

    71. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      I do miss the days when you could charge your phone once a week, but not so much I'm willing to go back to having a basic phone.

      Why? are you near an electrical outlet only once per week?

      --
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    72. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      But it does hold more data than your "It's so unsafe it will fall down and break horribly any moment now" statement :)

      Anyway, it's a habit, and my personal experience tells me it's far less of a problem than your guessing says it should be.

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    73. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great way to drop a phone in the toilet. Yes this happened on IT crowd, but it happened to me and killed my 2002ish nokia shitphone. Couldn't imagine loising a smartphone this way...

    74. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Just remember to take it OUT of your pocket before the wife throws your jeans in the washer. On that note, dehumidifiers actually do.

    75. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by fredthomsen · · Score: 1

      Seen lots of contractors use them. They can take notes and hold them with one hand, so there is a good market for them. At for myself, I don't have nfl receiver-sized hands and for a regular phone I think 4.5 in size is more than enough

    76. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by dintech · · Score: 1

      You might want to get that looked at ma'am.

    77. Re:I have a Galaxy Note by operagost · · Score: 1

      My first cell phone was one of the early digital Nokia phones with the stubby antenna (5190?). Too chunky to put in a pocket, so I had to have the belt holster. Engineers worked long hours to bring us the original RAZR-- smaller than Captain Kirk's communicator-- and now we're back to clunky phones. I don't really want to go back to that. As it is, My LG E-970 is on the edge of being too big. We'll find out once I've had it a few more months whether its fate is to snap in half when I bend over to tie my shoelaces.

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  2. Galaxy Note II would be the limit by a_hanso · · Score: 2

    I've played with the device quite a bit (I'm planning to buy one) and I think the Galaxy Note II would be about the limit for devices that need to fit into trouser pockets and can be held to the ear without looking like a clown.

    Unless future fashion changes to accommodate "handsets" and handsets become more about the functions other than voice calls.

    1. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just got my a GalaXy Note ll two days ago. writing this with the stylist. Way better than typing. I was worried that hand writing was on its way out, but this is great.

    2. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Same here.

      It's grown over the years (ooer missus)
      At first I thought the original iPhone was huge, and got used to that. Then I thought the HTC One X and Samsung S3 were huge, and got used to my One X. I think that's a wonderful size. I think the GNII is huge, but could get used to that.
      Anything bigger than the GNII wouldn't fit in my pocket, so I think that's the limit. In fact the HTC is about the sweet spot for me as I can fit it in the same pocket as my wallet leaving the other pocket free for a camera.

      But recently I've toyed with the idea of carrying a 7 inch 3G tablet (which gets into the realms of "fairly comfortable to make internet posts on") and reverting to a dumbphone so I can get more than 5 minutes of battery life. 7in tablets fit into a standard jacket inner/map pocket. This idea would fall over on warm summer days when you wouldn't wear a jacket, but I'm posting from the UK and our last warm summer day was in 2006 so I'm not too worried.

    3. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by a_hanso · · Score: 4, Funny

      writing this with the stylist. Way better than typing.

      Ouch. But I do agree with you.

    4. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      I bought a Galaxy Tab 7, used it for a few months and ended up selling it. It's in the wrong place between tablets and smart phones. I always end up leaving it at home. Or I take my laptop or netbook.

    5. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      YMMV - I use my Nexus 7 very heavily (especially at the pub, being antisocial as I am) and find its book-like format perfect. While my full size iPad sits gathering dust.

    6. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      The Nexus family is a completely different story. They're a joy to hold -- they (especially the 10) fit smugly into your hand. Feels light too.

    7. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      There's only a submit button on the mobile version of /., no preview button. I guess I'll have to get out of the habit of hitting preview to read my post before submitting.

      Plus I can't spell.

    8. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just got my a GalaXy Note ll two days ago. writing this with the stylist.

      Yes... we can tell :-)

      (Hint - try enabling 'complete recognition' - this is squirrelled away under Settings > Personal > Language and Input > Samsung keyboard > Handwriting - I find it more reliable and makes catching mistakes easier).

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    9. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      Awesome, works even better plus, I was also able to increase the nonrecognition time so the message doesn't time out in the middle of a word.

    10. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a Galaxy Tab 7, and I use it exclusively while traveling. It has enough screen real estate for comfortable reading, email, and watching movies on the airplane, and I don't need a square foot of screen to play the occasional game. Battery life is great (I do a lot of international travel, long flights) and I wouldn't be without it. Gave the iPad to the wife, too hard to carry, and I hated the hoops you have to go through with the iTunes app.

      And I always use two hands to text on my phone, faster and easier.

    11. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree wholeheartedly! I have an old "dumb phone" that I use for all phone calls, a little hard-to-break phone that drops in my pocket, bag, etc. I have a Nexus 7 wifi only, and I use it a LOT. It's much easier on the eyes than the wife's iphone, and it fits in my coat/jacket pockets just fine. Plus I tether it to my DSLR and use camera control software - plenty of free software to do that if you get an OTG cable. I get to preview my pics on a much larger screen while I'm taking them, and even touch them up with various tools. GPS is great, and I pre-download Google maps for the areas I'm in when I have wifi connections, so I don't need connections on the road. The only thing I miss is not having email everywhere, but I'm not really willing to pay for a data service to get it.

    12. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the phone that the submitter tries to do marketing for (the iPhone) tends to make weird spelling mistakes all the time, despite being better suited for one handed operation.

    13. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the limit of what fits in your jeans pocket comfortably probably depends somewhat on your fashion sense. I think it's safe to assume that many /.ers might dress like a bunch of lesbians. I might be slightly more metro than some, but for some of my jeans, my new Droid RAZR HD is too big to fit in my front pocket comfortably.

      I have pretty large hands and even for me this phone is slightly too large to touch the top of the screen with my thumb when I'm one handing it without a slight fear of dropping the thing. I dislike apple as a company, but my work phone is an iPhone 5 and that form factor is about perfect for me.

    14. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Got mine about 2 weeks ago and couldn't agree more. However I just can't get use to the stylus writing yet. I'm also rather bummed that the stylus doesn't work on the "Menu" and "Back" buttons at the bottom. Sucks when you're out in the cold with gloves on using the stylus.

    15. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Vanderhoth · · Score: 1

      'm also rather bummed that the stylus doesn't work on the "Menu" and "Back" buttons at the bottom.

      Yes, that's one of my primary complaints as well. It kind of breaks the usage flow when you're clicking around with the stylus then you have to move it away from the screen so you can use you're thumb or finger to hit the menu or back.

      I think they could make much more use of the button on the stylus. As far as I know the only time you'd use it is if you wanted to take a screen capture by pressing the button and holding the stylus down on the screen. It would be nice if it could be setup so pressing the button and taping the screen would bring up a context menu or allow gesturing for back or menu options.

    16. Re: Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just got my a GalaXy Note ll two days ago. writing this with the stylist. Way better than typing. I was worried that hand writing was on its way out, but this is great.

      Now I'm afraid that my lack of style has held me back all these years. I wish I could afford a stylist. *sighs*

    17. Re:Galaxy Note II would be the limit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that too, until i got a 6". I wont go to a 7" however. That wont fit in my pocket.

  3. Ok! by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    MojoKid, go back to your job, milking mice with your tiny hands.

    We're good.

  4. So... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    You are saying we need to put a grip like a hand gun on it in the bottom right (or left) corner so you can hold it. Swipe an arch with your thumb and have all the text in a semi arch keyboard near the corner. Then we can have a 20" screen for our phone?

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah OP is a troll. "here's a really easy way to figure out if your phone or phablet is too big..." Who died and made this garbage The Rules? Obvious iPhan is obvious. Here's an easy way to figure out if your phone or phablet is too small: Can you hold the device in one hand and type out a text message with your thumb? If you can, you're ENDANGERING OTHER DRIVERS. PUT DOWN THE GODDAMN IPHONE.

    2. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are saying we need to put a grip like a hand gun on it in the bottom right (or left) corner so you can hold it.

      If we add a grip, then we would have to worry about the assault phone ban.

    3. Re:So... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I disagree with the premise that you have to be able to type with your thumb. I use both thumbs when I am typing, and in landscape mode. if people need to type with one thumb, they could do it in portrait mode, so the screen width is not as big and make it 2 inches wide by 300 feet tall, so that users can reach all of the keyboard. Or as you point out, put all of the button-y keyboard-y things in one small area and make the screen as big as you want. I think the max size of the phone should be whatever size fits in your hand. That would be different from person to person. For me, it would be about 8 inches wide, by however tall they want to make it.

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    4. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assault phones with pistol grips need to be banned. And nobody needs more than a 10" screen (7" in New York).

    5. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be in the market for one of these

  5. Presupposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The criteria presuppose that you *want* to be able to use your phone with only one hand. I am mal-coordinated enough that I can only use my phone with two hands, no matter how big or small it is, so surely the criteria for me are: 1) does it fit in my pocket? 2) can I hold it up to my ear and make a telephone call comfortably? 3) can I hold it in one hand and use it with the other comfortably? 4) is the screen large enough that it can display what I want to see at a reasonable resolution?

    1. Re:Presupposition by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      I am mal-coordinated enough that I can only use my phone with two hands, no matter how big or small it is

      If your phone is big enough, it's not a problem. I grew up with phones like this where you could wedge the handset between your head and shoulder, and use a pencil or a pinkie to work the dial. Of course, for many years, mobile phones didn't really look that much different: just push-buttons instead of a dial, and no wire between the phone and the wall.

      I've been seriously considering getting another such machine, since I live some distance from regular power supplies, and these phones never needed batteries.

    2. Re:Presupposition by illaqueate · · Score: 1

      It also presupposes phone primary functionality on a device that is an internet connected general purpose computer. What if you watch videos on the train? What if you like to browse the web? What if you like to play games? Any of those things can make one want to use a larger device and ignore the existence of substitutes for the phone criteria (like using a bluetooth headset). The person doing a lot of one handed texting and value that over other things will want a smaller device but even in that case I think it's exaggerated as I see people all the time holding the phone in one hand and typing with the other. Further those keyboards like the one in iOS are slow and inefficient in the first place and are not ideal input devices. I can probably type twice as fast as an iOS user with a swiping style keyboard (those can also be used one handed - just pointing out that the status quo isn't as ideal as it's made out to be)

    3. Re:Presupposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree. I love my 2-handed Galaxy Note 2. One-handed usage is how phones get broken.

  6. Clamshell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still waiting for a modern clamshell formfactor phone. Has to be small enough to fit into my pocket easily.

  7. What?? by Cenan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone.

    None of the above points are arguments for/against screens of any size. All of those "problems" can be solved without even thinking about the size of the screen on a device.

    1) unlocking schemes for phones can take on any number of different forms, not all requiring you to swipe from edge to edge to unlock.

    2) usability of the virtual keyboard has nothing to do with screen size, but a matter of placing it in the correct location on the screen

    3) adjusting the volume on a phone has nothing to do with screen size, and everything to do with placement of the rocker button.

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    1. Re:What?? by jadv · · Score: 1

      Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone.

      None of the above points are arguments for/against screens of any size. All of those "problems" can be solved without even thinking about the size of the screen on a device.

      1) unlocking schemes for phones can take on any number of different forms, not all requiring you to swipe from edge to edge to unlock.

      2) usability of the virtual keyboard has nothing to do with screen size, but a matter of placing it in the correct location on the screen

      3) adjusting the volume on a phone has nothing to do with screen size, and everything to do with placement of the rocker button.

      You mean, TFA authour is holding it wrong? Steve, is that you? I thought you were dead!

    2. Re:What?? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      All of these "points" are not even points at all, just a matter of personal usage preferences.

      Humans have got two hands, why not use them both? I am perfectly able to use my HTC HD2 with one hand only, but I don't do that, because using both hands is - for me - much more comfortable.

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    3. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grandpa, why are you texting with one hand?

    4. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree.

      For me the answer is very simple: It's too big when I can't carry it with me at all times.

      As I don't always wear a jacket. It's too big when it doesn't fit in my trouser/pants pocket. And if by doing so it breaks, then it's too fragile.
      There's hope for bigger screens with future smartphone woth folding screen.

    5. Re:What?? by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That may be part of the problem. People using iPhones aren't used to the idea that you can change basic features like lockscreens, keyboards, and have a variety of options for the physical layout of buttons, etc. The iPhone (and any other phone) involves a series of design choices and compromises and isn't going to be perfect for everybody. This is one of the big advantages of having multiple hardware providers and a more open OS. If it's not perfect for you, try something else.

    6. Re:What?? by Sique · · Score: 1
      1) and 3) are ok with me, but for 2) I beg to differ.

      I use the virtual keyboard always with both thumbs, holding the phone in both hands. I am not an one-hand-typer, typing with only one hand (or one finger) feels uncomfortable to me. This would effectively double the maximum screensize for me, compared with one-thumb-typers.

      On the other hand, I am lefthanded anyway, so any scheme that expects the user to hold the phone in the right hand is flawed for me.

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    7. Re:What?? by Cenan · · Score: 2

      Well, I use my phone much like you describe, yet I fail to see how 2) applies to your situation.

      The size of the screen (barring screens that are too small) has nothing to do with the usability of the virtual keyboard. The placement and size of the keyboard on said screen does impact usability. On too small a screen you would have to do something like the old phone keyboards, with multiple letters on each button. Once a screen reaches a certain size you can use a full qwerty-type keyboard always, as long as you (the developer) do not assume that it needs to span the entire screen width at all times. The assumption that a keyboard needs to span the entire width of the screen is what is breaking usability for one handed typers, not the size of the screen.

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    8. Re:What?? by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 2

      Exactly. All of these points are completely subjective and some even lead me to believe the author is stuck mentally in the dumbphone era. I mean 2. wtf? This is something teens did in the early 2000's, texting with thumbs and even most of them did it with two thumbs. It'd probably need a _bigger_ screen to even be able to do this as my thumbs are large and I'd probably hit more than key most of the time.

      As of 1), I have an actual lock for my unlocking, aka a pattern as I'd really really really hate to lose my phone AND have all my personal information, accounts etc totally unprotected. I'd really don't understand why this doesn't worry more people.

      And 3 is a placement issue more than anything else, as parent already pointed out.

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    9. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grandpa, why are you texting with one hand?

      Look away ... and help me find the exclamation point!

    10. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, right? Talk about arbitrary. The thing is, once you've abandoned these arbitrary metrics of usability, and accept you can't necessarily do all these things, you *may as well* have a larger phone.

      The limit for me is how comfortably it fits in your pocket.

    11. Re:What?? by lxs · · Score: 0

      Or you can show some mental flexibility, deal with the fact that not everything in the world has to be tailored to your particular quirks to be functional and adapt.

    12. Re:What?? by MurukeshM · · Score: 1

      Grandpa, why are you texting with one hand?

      Look away ... and help me find the exclamation point!

      There it is!

    13. Re:What?? by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or you can show some mental flexibility, deal with the fact that not everything in the world has to be tailored to your particular quirks to be functional and adapt.

      Are you saying iPhone users are better at fitting the mold, adapting instead of changing the world?

      If you are, I would agree with you.

    14. Re:What?? by lxs · · Score: 1

      No, I am saying that grownups don't waste their time on raging against UI flaws or having petty tribal arguments based on the brand of sneakers...I mean telephone you prefer.

    15. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      = waaaah! my feewings is hurt because i love my iphones

    16. Re:What?? by Sique · · Score: 2

      Yes, but for me typing with both thumbs, it makes sense to have the keyboard span the whole screen, otherwise the keys would be unnecessary small. A keyboard for me doesn't have the limit of a thumb's length, it can have the double width.

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    17. Re:What?? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Except that is exactly what you're doing, suggesting that the user is at fault for wanting something that Apple won't provide and further suggesting that the user doesn't have any mental flexibility for buying something non-Apple that offers an experience more to their liking.

    18. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Typical Apple Fanboi response. Effectively "You should adapt to the iPhone rather than use a phone that adapts to you".
      You guys are *really* sad.

    19. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's right. Grownups are too busy murdering each other over which invisible sky-daddy they follow or which village their great great great great great grandfather came from. They don't have time for petty tribal arguments.

    20. Re:What?? by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or you can show some mental flexibility, deal with the fact that not everything in the world has to be tailored to your particular quirks to be functional and adapt.

      Erm ... why? No really ... Why! The vast majority of accommodations we are talking about are software features. These are adjustments and settings which can be customised. Remember when it was announced that Vista would have a non-customisable startup sound? People went mental. To what extent are you willing to flex? Should all phones look and sound 100% identically? Should we all be forced to fit in one mould of a turleneck wearing sociopath?

      Maybe the vendors can show some flexibility. Some people like swipe to unlock, some like pin to unlock, some pattern unlock, some face detection, and some don't lock at all and pressing any button simply wakes the phone at the home screen. My phone gives me that choice, and why shouldn't it for a measly few lines of code.

    21. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that what he just wrote? "If you don't like it, try something else"?

    22. Re:What?? by lxs · · Score: 2

      Wow I thought that I owned an Android phone, turns out that I own an iPhone. The wisdom of the crowds is truly amazing. Just because I don't share your opinion doesn't automatically mean that I'm in the opposite camp.
      If you enjoy these pointless discussions you should visit the XKCD forums. The current comic has seven pages and counting on the proper way of writing down dates.

    23. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      Erm ... why? No really ... Why! The vast majority of accommodations we are talking about are software features. These are adjustments and settings which can be customised.

      You're talking about a company which sells a computer OS which is mainly used on laptops, but where there is no toggle for whether closing the screen puts the laptop into sleep mode. It's a trivial feature found on all other OS's, but Apple seemingly can't be bothered to include it, and the people who buy the $999 Facebook machines adapt their usage patterns to their computers, not vice versa.

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    24. Re:What?? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      "Apple: Free yourself from the tyranny of choice."

    25. Re:What?? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      28-Feb-2013, Feb-28-2013, or 2013-Feb-28 is the only true answer... anything else is ambiguous :)

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    26. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the GGP makes a valid point.

      The Android philosophy is "We give you the tools to make this thing exactly the way you want it, but you have to do all that customizing yourself because we don't know your preferences".

      The Apple philosophy is: "Here's a device that's already configured the way you'll end up wanting it configured so we've taken the liberty of not letting you change anything so you don't accidentally mess it up"

      The former philosophy fails in that all users need to dig in and customize before they get a satisfying experience, whereas the latter fails when you don't happen to agree with Apple on what the optimal tradeoffs are. Personally I like the Apple philosophy better because I use my phone as means to an end not an end in itself so any time spent tinkering with my phone to get it "set up right" is a waist in my eyes.

    27. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, grownups talk about platform issues that affect us all because of the choices of the many.

      You* almost allowed APL to force devs to charge the same price in app and everywhere else (not on that platform): http://www.marco.org/2011/02/21/subscriptions-and-the-new-in-app-purchase-requirement

      If Android wasn't swallowing the majority of markets, you can bet your dollar they would have actually gone through with it and everyone would have had to pay an extra 20% even though you've never touched that platform.

      *generic "you", i.e. people in general

    28. Re:What?? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      2) usability of the virtual keyboard has nothing to do with screen size

      I think you're very wrong here...

    29. Re:What?? by Cenan · · Score: 1

      634976802060943180

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    30. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      a computer OS which is mainly used on laptops, but where there is no toggle for whether closing the screen puts the laptop into sleep mode.

      It's the same with my fridge. Stupid Electrolux not having a toggle for having the light on when the door is closed.

      and the people who buy the $999 Facebook machines adapt their usage patterns to their computers, not vice versa.

      Laptop open = I'm clothed, shaved, my mistress isn't there, I've cleaned away last nights pizza. I'm ready for video chat.

      Laptop closed = If you really need me, I have a phone, where I can pretend not to be naked and covered in jam and sprinkles.

    31. Re:What?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because my physical disability is something I just have to "get over".

    32. Re:What?? by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      and the people who buy the $999 Facebook machines adapt their usage patterns to their computers, not vice versa.

      Laptop open = I'm clothed, shaved, my mistress isn't there, I've cleaned away last nights pizza. I'm ready for video chat.

      Laptop closed = If you really need me, I have a phone, where I can pretend not to be naked and covered in jam and sprinkles.

      See, here I thought having a portable computer was so I could carry it around. Rather than carrying it in two hands like some holy relic ("But it's an Apple!" I know...), I like to close the screen and not have to worry about someone coming around a corner and knocking it around or breaking it. So why not be able to put this supposedly portable device in a designed carrying mode when carrying it around for brief periods without having to change its operating state twice in less than a minute?

      Another thing to note. People are all different. Making the assumption that everyone should use a general purpose tool in a single way is inherently flawed. This thing is somewhat more complex than a hammer, and even that has at least two ways it can be used.

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    33. Re:What?? by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      Closing the laptop can be for several reasons:
      Want the laptop in sleep mode.
      Want the laptop in hibernate.
      Want the laptop to power off.
      Want the laptop to stay on with the screen off, say because I'm downloading/rendering something overnight.

      Different people may have different default desires.

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    34. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      So you're saying if I buy a Mac, I have to give up on letting my code compile/run while my laptop is in my backpack on the way home? And that if I want to plug it into my stereo system and listen to music, I can't close it and put it in the shelf, but that it must take up space on the table?

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    35. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      So you're saying if I buy a Mac, I have to give up on letting my code compile/run while my laptop is in my backpack on the way home?

      IN your backpack? You do realise that CPUs run hot when they are hard at work. And compiling is one of those things that put them to hard work? You do realise that laptops have fans, and those fans only function properly if the vents are clear?

      You just detailed an extremely good reason why you shouldn't be given the option to do something stupid.

      It's not that the Macbook is incapable of operating with the lid closed. It does indeed have a lid closed operational mode for when it's connected to an external monitor, power and slide navigation device (external mouse or keyboard). But those things make it unlikely that you've done something as stupid as trying to run it inside a backpack.

      As usual, not putting an option there is a design choice with a reason, not laziness nor lack of thought.

    36. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Closing the laptop can be for several reasons:
      Want the laptop in sleep mode.
      Want the laptop in hibernate.
      Want the laptop to power off.

      They're not reasons. They are marginally different technical states that the computer can be in whilst you're not using it. Not only that but 99.9% of the users of a computer don't know what the difference between "sleep" and "hibernate". You're not even beginning to think about the user, let alone his reasoning.

      The reason a user closes a laptop lid is because he's finished interacting with it. There's the odd edge case where that's not the case, such as possibly doing a presentation on a projector, or using a docking station. And in both cases, the Macbook can be operated with the lid closed.

      Want the laptop to stay on with the screen off, say because I'm downloading/rendering something overnight.

      That's a reason. But one that is easily accomplished by pressing the screen brightness down button on the keyboard.

      Different people may have different default desires.

      Sure, and there's a couple of desktop OSs who's designers think that where ever you could have a different desire, extra options UI should be added to give you a choice. Even if the choice is irrelevant, or even a bad choice. Mac OS isn't one of those, it's one of the reasons why it's easier and more pleasant to use than the other two desktop OSs.

      What happens when you have an option for everything? This:
      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E2rnnlp7qqI/T65rBxDThwI/AAAAAAAAB1I/5zK-VscMU-I/s1600/power+setting3.jpg

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8oJxidXG9As/T65teya0SnI/AAAAAAAAB1Y/EK6MAfkoPjc/s576/power%2520setting2.JPG

      Power plans? 5 tabbed pages of what to do about power when I'm not using the computer? Some of them so long they have scroll bars. Scroll bars on a tabbed page of a power options contol panel section. I kid you not.

      WTF? This is not better. It's far, far worse.

      Good design. It's as much about what you leave out as what you leave in.

    37. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      To clarify:
      Point 1: I've never owned a Macbook, but I have friends who've been annoyed by this inability to close the lid while running.
      Point 2: My current computer, a 4-core Dell Precision something-or-other, has compiled lots of code in my bacpack. I use my water bottle to ensure that the fan intakes on the bottom are free, and I open my backpack zipper on the side where the fan outlets are. Works like a charm (I logged the CPU temperature with a small script the first few times I tried it).

      TL;DR:
      I don't want my computer "protecting" me from doing something that could maybe be stupid. I want it to shut down if overheating, that's a much better solution that all laptops implement.

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    38. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I don't want my computer "protecting" me from doing something that could maybe be stupid.

      Then as you know you have other choices of laptop than a Macbook. Not every product has to be aimed at you. Macs are for people that want their computers to do the sensible thing. And ALWAYS being in sleep or hibernate when being put in a case or backpack is one of those sensible design decisions Mac users enjoy.

    39. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      When it's only sensible for 70% of the use cases, there should be a software switch. How would it be a worse design decision to have the default behaviour as it is today, but a way to toggle it in the system settings? The original point in this thread was that users should be given maximum flexibility, especially when it's a matter of twenty lines of code in the OS. Apple fails to implement this, which is why many of us geeks use something else (cf. smartphones).

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    40. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      How would it be a worse design decision to have the default behaviour as it is today, but a way to toggle it in the system settings?

      Already answered here.

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501713&cid=43043993

      TL;DR version: Putting options to delegate decisions to users often sound fine in isolation. But if you include them all, you end up with a horrible mess of an options UI, that most people don't understand or get lost in. For an extreme, have you ever looked as Azureus options?

      http://turbo.paulstamatiou.com/uploads/2005/10/azureus_pt3_3large.jpg

      And it's not 70%. It's 99%. In 99 cases out of 100, closing the laptop lid means "I've done with it for now. You can conserve power."

      In most of the remaining 1% of cases too. As a developer wanting your laptop to compile in your backpack as you go, you're not even a rounding error. Even amongst developers.

    41. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      But if you include them all, you end up with a horrible mess of an options UI, that most people don't understand or get lost in.

      Ah, but Apple, who are generally regarded as being a few orders of magnitude better at UI design than a random torrent-client devteam, should not have a problem here. A simple tickbox to enable "advanced settings" under the "Power management" tab in "System settings" (or whatever it is called) solves that problem. See e.g. VLC for a good demonstration - if you don't toggle from Simple to All in the settings window, there is no option for "which packetizer preprocesses the stream before muxing" and a million other such things. How many people do you think prefer to control the packetizer when looking at a movie? A grand total of ten out of six billion?

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    42. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Ah, but Apple, who are generally regarded as being a few orders of magnitude better at UI design than a random torrent-client devteam, should not have a problem here.

      They are a few orders of magnitude better. And indeed they don't have a problem here. As I've explained, design is as much about what you leave out as what you put in. And this particular issue has the answer: leave it out.

      If you think VLC is any kind of example of a good UI, you know nothing about UIs. Its shit. It's almost as bad as the Azeureus example I gave. And follows the same same broken pattern of having options grown so out of control they need to put an option toggle to display all the options that shouldn't be there in the first place. A broken pattern you seem to think is a good thing!

      What me to reel off a few of the things that makes the current VLC one of the worst UIs out there? ... but it is a bit off topic.

      How many people do you think prefer to control the packetizer when looking at a movie? A grand total of ten out of six billion?

      Indeed. Approximately none. That option has no place in a UI. It's there because some developer wanted to tinker with the setting and was too much of a wanker to take it out, or just include it in debug builds. Possibly he, like you, thinks that there's no such thing as a bad option, or too many options.

      Good designers make choices. Bad designers can't make up their minds and pass the buck down to users. Most programmers think UIs are just about squeezing as many functions as possible onto whatever screen space is available. They need executing.

    43. Re:What?? by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      Good designers make choices. Bad designers can't make up their minds and pass the buck down to users.

      Look, it's not as if OSX has five toggles in the system menu, it has 29 separate tabs each with many options. It even has a tab called "Energy Saver", where this option would fit naturally. Stop trying to frame this omission as a conscious "design" choice when it's clearly not.

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    44. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Well 28. Growl isn't OSX.

      At no point did I ever say that there shouldn't be options. Of course there should. But they should be minimal. Again you show you haven't a clue when you say it's not a conscious "design" choice. EVERY option in OSX has been fought over. A lot of them many times in the 30 years history of the Mac UI. Options are only there if they really HAVE to be. They don't just appear or not at random.

      The lack of a option in System Preferences to have the computer switched on whilst the lid is closed isn't because no one ever thought of it, any more than it can't be done. It's a choice. Not only of UI, which we are now talking about, but also my earlier technical point about the stupidity of some people putting switched on laptops in backpacks. And undoubtably other considerations.

      Now to your point. 28 preferences tabs in an entire modern OS. Each one contained in a window significantly smaller than the screen, with no scrolling. My earlier example - Azeureus (Vuze) - a single app. 54 tabs. Many of which require scrolling, even when the window is maximized.

      Your example, VLC, whilst not as bad has 6 just for a video player. That's one fifth the tabs of an entire OS.

      For completeness - Windows 8 appears to have 48 vs OSXs 28. Again the Windows ones scroll, the OSX ones don't.

      And yet, still I agree with you. 28 is too many. OSX is not perfect.

      A good UI designer thinks of every option that has to stay in the software as a little point of failure. The ideal software doesn't need options. It just does the right thing.

    45. Re:What?? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Please quote the exact sentence where I say you own an iPhone or else fuck off. Fucking pedantic Slashdot bellends.

    46. Re:What?? by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      No, it's about where you put things as well.
      Don't have 5 pages of power plans. Have either an "advanced settings" mode that can be toggled somewhere which shows extra settings for those users who want them, or a second settings configuration system (Gnome used to do the second, but I've not used it in a while.) The average user shouldn't see tons of confusing choices, and there should be sensible defaults. The advanced user should be ABLE to change what they want, but no one should be required to do so. And if an option in a "hidden" configuration menu/file is something users commonly access, either in testing or via anonymized usage tracking, you should probably make that setting easier to access.

      The goal is to have the simplest interface be the most visible with the most commonly accessed functions, and the more complex interface accessible but not in your face. Google's homepage is a perfect example of this sort of design, it's quite simple, the most common function (search) is the majority of the interface, other services along the top, with the less accessed ones in the "more" menu and the least accessed ones relegated to "even more." There's even a way to get directly to each of the less-accessed functions: type or bookmark their URLs. Their account settings are similar.

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    47. Re:What?? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      No, that doesn't do it either. Take Azureus (Vuze). They had so many options they did a tree view of pages. And then it was still too complicated, so they created an entirely new interface, but still allowed access to the old "classic" interface.

      Now it used to be that my Aseureus installation used to download 4 files at once. But now it only downloads one at a time. I'm pretty sure, at one time when I was trying to get a download working faster, I changed something in the advanced options to make it do that. And now I can't find it.

      Yes, there are 48 pages of options, several of which will affect how many downloads you have, and I can't find the one that I changed before.

      It's not good enough to have options hidden in "Advanced" sections, because they get changed, maybe by the main user, perhaps by someone borrowing the machine. Possibly by someone supporting the machine who thought he was helping. And then someone has to find what option was changed and change it back.

      Here, read this.
      http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog0000000059.html

  8. 3" to 3.5" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think between 3 and 3.5 inches is perfect, assuming you have good eyesight to be happy with small fonts on a very high resolution display.

  9. YMMV by waddgodd · · Score: 2

    I grew up when a Trimline, so I expect a phone to take up a certain amount of space on my face when I'm talking. Given that "candy bar" phones are shrinking like nobody's business lately, phablets are where my comfort zone exists nowadays. I kinda want to have the pickup at least somewhere where my mouth is, and I'm not an alien being, so my mouth isn't behind my ear, and hinges break, so no clamshells for me. I've found that the 7" phablets are a nice fit on the face, if a bit wide for my taste.

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  10. Why do you care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care that I need two hands to do any of those things... Why don't you just go on with our life and let me have my big screen and battery?

  11. As big as I need -Tablet Size by thatDBA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those are some of the dumbest, most arbitrary reasons to tell someone their phone is too large - is he/she being paid by Apple? I want a phone with a screen large enough for me to read web pages comfortably and not need a tablet. I would be fine with a 7 inch phone - not everyone has the hand size and lifting strength of a teenage girl.

    1. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      I would be fine with a 7 inch phone

      Until you wanted to make a phone call. I can just barely hold my Kindle one handed phone-style (between thumb and fingers around vertical edges, and my hands are bigger than average. Your 7" phone would be like holding a Kindle to your face.

      Saying that, though, a mixture of Pebble /smart watch and Bluetooth headset might just tip me over into swapping from a phone with a big screen to a phablet / tablet with voice capability. That's a whole different question, though

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    2. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you wanted to make a phone call.

      Are Bluetooth headsets that unusual?

    3. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm young and normal/cool/popular/whatever enough to use my phone as the marketing machine would probably want, and I have to tell you that people under 25 don't generally ever use the phone as a phone, and when they do it's either (a) for just a few seconds, or (b) on speaker phone. So as long as it fits in your pocket (although a lot of my friends just carry them in their bags, but then this is in college and I guess older people don't like messenger bags) without making you look like an asshole, who cares how big it is? Holding it in one hand to speak on it almost never comes up. Now one-handed texting/tweeting/etc is a different story, but people use their tabs to post to facebook and twitter during class all the time so the one- or two-handedness must not really be that important

    4. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      The pebble idea might be a workable solution, separate the device from the mic and speaker would it be strange to talk using a device attached to your wrist. Maybe even better would be some form of bluetooth headset which clipped to a wrist band yet could detach and sit over your ear when needed.

      In my car I don't need to know where my phone is since it is linked by bluetooth to my car stereo. It would be better thou if I had voice command via the car stereo so I could just press a button and say call whoever, that functionality requires me to handle my phone as it stands. On the positive side you can decide when to make a call so it's a minor niggle.

    5. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      What I meant by pebble / bluetooth combination was that I could use the pebble as a discreet interface for checking text messages and other quick notifications, and use it to answer the phone (which would be directed to the bluetooth headset) as necessary. With that, I would be happy having a tablet with phone capabilities in my pocket to use as a full device, and not considering it for use as a phone handset. The only issue would be outgoing calls, but then I suppose once you've selected the contact you could put it away. If only voice dialing was accurate enough.

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    6. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by Sabah+Arif · · Score: 1

      Why would Apple bother to bribe a Slashdot contributor? That trope should die just on the basis of logic.

    7. Re:As big as I need -Tablet Size by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      its getting better the voice dialing , you can install a number of 'siri' like assistants which can read your sms out loud to you which could be useful or embarrassing depending on the text...

  12. Stupid questions deserve stupid answers by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Too big" is when not enough people will want to buy it to make it worthwhile to produce.
    Anything else is just subjective.

    To me, a 9.7" tablet is too big, but iPad's continued sales prove that this is merely my subjective (minority) opinion.

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    1. Re:Stupid questions deserve stupid answers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, it is too subjective.

      I would assume that most people find 10" too big as a phone - it is uncomfortably heavy to hold in your hand for long periods of time, and you really need to put it down.

      For a tablet, I would really like to see more in the 11"-13" range - that is what I would like to see. 7" seems ridiculously small to me, 10" is getting useful, and more would be better.

      Once you use it as a touch screen PC, obviously bigger is better, and at least for me 27" is the current sweet spot.

  13. texting by Spacr · · Score: 1, Funny

    r u sirius? txtg is soo yesrdy ;-)

  14. Phone is for talking by billyswong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The number ONE question should have been:

    Can you comfortably phone someone or receive phone call without resorting to earplug?

    1. Re:Phone is for talking by rikkards · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the question they are answering is:
      Would you have a phone if your tablet was capable of making and receiving phone calls

    2. Re:Phone is for talking by bostonul · · Score: 1

      A mobile phone it was only for talking long time ago. You can still buy that kind of mobile phone, you can not judge anyone for how they decide to use a phone. You have loads of choices on the market for the right phone for your needs.

    3. Re:Phone is for talking by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      "Phone is for talking". Really? What decade are you from? If that's the case why have anything other than a cheap Nokia dumbphone? The rest of us have realised that phones have multiple uses.

    4. Re:Phone is for talking by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      If it's my only phone (and it is), then the device is first and foremost a telephone. Everything else can come second.

    5. Re:Phone is for talking by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I'm not big on holding a tablet to my face, doesn't really sit well. I also don't have a good pocket typically for carrying a tablet. For me a tablet smaller than 10" is too small to use (for my purposes) and a phone larger than ~4" is just to large to carry around in jeans and a t-shirt.

      Personally I second a post further up about using a pebble watch and bluetooth headset with a smartphone. I'd add to that a 10" touchscreen display that can wirelessly connect to my cellphone should I want a bigger screen. Basically the ASUS Padfone with wireless rather than physical connection.

    6. Re:Phone is for talking by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      But I like bluetooth headset on my right ear as I can be cable free and I don't need to pull phone (any phone) from pocket/pack just to answer to call or make a call OR listen music.. And when you have Google maps it gives good navigation guides just with voice and no need to watch screen when driving.

      I have Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" what is the true "phablet" (what Notes and others are not) and with 7" screen it is very comfortable to use when I really need to use a handheld computer for reading or writing.

      And yes, it does fit perfectly to my jackets pockets, my jeans pockets or I can even place it to my backpack when I need to use such to carry something else.
      And yes, I have made phone calls with it holding it on my ear and NO ONE has ever in stores looked long or weird way. As this far, people have custom to people have a mobile phones and handsfree without thinking "That person is talking to himself"

    7. Re:Phone is for talking by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      No....

      I had smartphones what display sizes were 3.5", 3.8", 4.2" and 4.5" and in that order. Before buying a smartphone, I just had a featurephone and I didn't use it to anything else than to make calls and SMS while it was capable for other things.
      Since Android I have moved away from SMS and actually phone calls almost totally. And I wanted bigger screen because I used device more to other things than SMS/Calls. And with Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7" I finally came to conclusion in my habits that I don't need a small smartphone. Because then when I am jogging, hiking, working outdoor, biking etc. I don't want to carry any big screen phone with what is fragile. Then I will take a small 20 dollar basic Samsung clamp phone what is well protected and standby is one month and fits very well to pocket and isn't heavy causing it jumping.

      So Why not throw away whole stupid smartphone screen problem and take 7" size what is awesome to use for the "smart" part and have a phone with me for those few normal phone calls.

      And one of the main features for me has been demand for great maps and navigation (had Nokia C7 tested as well) and as Google maps is best one out there, it is pleasure to get 7" to car or bike.
      And when Galaxy Tab 2 7" standby time is one month, it is great for outdoor mapping as well if wanted to get digital map for hiking.

      Placing 7" device to dashboard in car makes it better than any other smartphone.

    8. Re:Phone is for talking by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Can you comfortably phone someone or receive phone call without resorting to earplug?

      Why is an earplug a "resort"? When I'm using my phone, I pretty much always either have it connected to a headset (anywhere there's other people around) or on speaker (everywhere else). I don't think I've held a phone to the side of my face for years.

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    9. Re:Phone is for talking by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

      If you include having a decent speakerphone mode, you can go pretty large indeed. The 5.3" galaxy note phablet is still fine to use normally though, even if I do feel a bit like Dom Joly sometimes.

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    10. Re:Phone is for talking by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So Why not throw away whole stupid smartphone screen problem and take 7" size what is awesome to use for the "smart" part and have a phone with me for those few normal phone calls.
      I think that is just what the manufacturers want. Why sell you one device to do everything when they could sell you two devices to do different things for twice the money.

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  15. I'm a minority, kill me now by Torp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But the iPhone 4 is just the right size for me. The 5 feels already too long. I'm worried that if Apple jumps on the 'my phone is bigger than your phone' bandwagon I'll be left with no replacement, as all the Android small phones are el cheapo versions with slow hardware.
    Btw, I'm male, and I don't have particularly small hands. I can reach around a 4-4.3" screen with one hand, I just don't want one.

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    1. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'll assume you haven't used an Android phone lately.

    2. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've used a Galaxy Mini 2 recently. Slow-ish, no camera flash.
      Show me a 3.5" screen Android phone with most of the iPhone 4S features please.

    3. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2

      Comparing a flagship Apple product to a mid-range Apple product. Good job. Here's 30 which are more comparable

      3.5" screen max, 512MB RAM, 1GHz CPU minimum, Android OS, available now. You can choose other options to suit you.

      If you're talking about features exclusive to the iPhone (Siri, Retina display, iTunes sync) then you're an idiot.

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    4. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by guises · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. If I were female I could put a big phone in my purse, but as long at it needs to fit in my pocket I'd rather have something pocketable. Thing is, I also hate iOS so I'm stuck with my Nexus One.

      Was thinking about biting the bullet for the Nexus Four, but haven't gone down that road yet.

    5. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average geek has much larger pants than you or I it would seem. I personally don't want something larger than my 4S in my pocket.

    6. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I like the slightly larger droid bionic myself as it feels like they built the device around the screen rather than the other way around but I do agree fully on no liking massive screens.

    7. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Nobody can fault you for that... the "best" phone is the one that YOU like best... not what anyone else says is the best.

      Actually, I applaud your honesty. I had a friend who used to say that about the iPhone 4. It's the best size, perfect size, perfect perfect perfect. And when he learned of the Galaxy S3's upcoming screen size he went on a long tirade: fail, epic fail, lame lame lame... big for big's sake. iPhone 4 is perfect size, anything bigger is just stupid.

      THEN when he learned the iPhone 5 was bigger he went on and on about: genius, it's great. THIS is perfect. It's just so obvious, make it slightly bigger. Much better than the 4. He went on and on about how "innovative" Apple was for making a larger screen.

      I didn't bother pointing out his hypocrisy... you just can't win against people that are so zealously in love with some product / company.

    8. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

      Honestly, Retina isn't THAT huge of a deal. The Samsung Galaxy S3 has a larger screen WHILE at the same time keeping the dpi ALMOST at Retina's level.

    9. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can reach around a 4-4.3" screen with one hand, I just don't want one.

      Bugger, you have two already... amputation's going to cost you like hell.

    10. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. However, it's also got a diagonal screen size greater than 3.5". I was trying to keep to the OP's specification as much as possible, to which the S3, Nexus 4 etc don't qualify.

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    11. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Galaxy S3 has more pixels, therefore can display more content than the so-called "retina" iPhone 4.
      High DPI doesn't allow you to see more content. High pixel count does.

      If you don't beleive me, try reading a web page on that 2" 400 DPI display.
      Now try reading the same web page on a 30" 100 DPI display.

      On the first one you will need to scroll.

    12. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Well, duh and or hello

      I'm just saying, the grandparent mentioned Retina. And, as some of my friends who go on and on about Retina and "Samsung doesn't have Retina" I just pointed out that... ok it doesn't have retina but the DPI is close AND it has a bigger screen.

      Which is one of the things I liked the most about my S3... the larger screen. It's a lot easier to read and type, while still maintaining a solid resolution

    13. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1

      Nah, you are not a minority, simply in the wrong market.

      If you wish for (relatively)decent speced but smaller phones, check out the Androids made to cater for Asia-Africa etc.

      Try the gsmarena phone finder, you can tweak the search quite narrowly: http://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3

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    14. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the Nexus 4 might be too big, take a look at the Motorola Razr M or Razr I.

      For a few years, I'd been test-driving many of the popular smartphones that my wife brought home from work, but never found one I liked. I ended up buying a gray market import Razr I, from the UK, to use on T-Mobile USA pre-paid. I am very happy with it after ~5 months. I'm not sure if CM10 will get ported to it or not, but its stock Android is pretty close to what I saw on Nexus phones so it isn't a big issue to me.

    15. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      The average geek has much larger pants than you or I it would seem. I personally don't want something larger than my 4S in my pocket.

      Perhaps you are not aware that they make holsters for phones. I can't imagine putting my phone in my pocket. What a pain that would be. I don't wear saggy pants like most of the kids, so I actually would have to stand up to dig the phone out of my pocket if I needed it. Plus it would get scratched up and broken.

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    16. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I absolutely agree. (And I say this as someone who never bought and will probably never buy an iPhone.)
      3.5" is just sort of the sweet spot.
      I was happy around 2003 or so when regular phones got super small. Then after a few years (with smartphones) the process reversed and we're back to huge 90s size phones again. It makes me feel like we're missing something.

    17. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft - i was saying i *don't* want a larger phone...

    18. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by guises · · Score: 1

      Hm, thanks. Those do look pretty good.

    19. Re:I'm a minority, kill me now by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Samsung might not have "retina" (tm) but Apple doesn't even have "HD".

  16. Meh. I've tried different phone sizes. by TigerPlish · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My preference is still the iphone up through version 4. After that it gets bothersome to carry and use. I'm still reluctant to get a 5 with it's 1/2" longer screen. The old dimensions were just about perfect.

    I have a company-issued Galaxy SII. It sits unused on my kitchen counter, calls forwarded to my iphone. I can't stand the SII's size -- and it's really not that much larger than an old iphone - maybe 1/2" all around. I think it's excessively large. I used it almost exclusively for a month and gave up on it. This time any "cool" value of being "different" (android vs. ios, anyone else vs. apple) was destroyed by the way the phone feels in my hand and pocket. Sorry. It just doesn't work for me, and I honestly feel it's the extra size.

    It's not like I have tiny hands or anything -- and I'm sure everyone's different -- but I don't want a big phone. I'm sure there are others who think the same thing.

    As for the satnav argument presented before, meh and double meh. Why should I put up with the compromises of even a large phone when I have a perfectly good top-shelf TomTom with humongous screen and a speaker that makes itself extremely intelligible at 65% volume even with the music going fairly loudly? That's something neither of my phones can do. For every job, a proper tool, yes?

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  17. without looking by ssam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about another metric:
    Can you dial a useful number without looking at your phone?
    On a trusty old nokia 3310 (or similar) I could unlock, dial the last used, dial the top number in my phone book, dial emergency services and various other tasks without looking. There are few circumstances where this could be very useful (or save your life).

    I dont think i could do it on any smart phone.

    1. Re:without looking by k2r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Can you dial a useful number without looking at your phone?

      "Siri, call Sam's business number!"

    2. Re:without looking by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      just for scoring's sake, Android can do the same :-p

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    3. Re:without looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, your life may depend on other features:

      http://m24digital.com/en/2013/01/02/the-whatsapp-saved-the-lives-of-7-hikers-lost-on-a-hillside-in-spain/

    4. Re:without looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you dial a useful number without looking at your phone, without sending a recording of your own voice to Apple both containing your voiceprint and the information that you wish to call Sam?

      I know virtually the entire menu system of my phone by heart, and I can navigate them without looking. Of course, I can also call people, text people, set alarms, set reminders and everything else I commonly do on my phone without looking. And it runs Symbian, has no Java, has no camera and has no bluetooth. In short: efficient, secure (unless you compare with SEAndroid) and cheap.

    5. Re:without looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried Siri on somebody else's phone a few weeks ago - it was useless.

      "Siri - Get me a beer! Siri - send some hookers my way!"

      It looks like my monkey butler still has a job for the foreseeable future.

    6. Re:without looking by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      > Can you dial a useful number without looking at your phone?

      "Siri, call Sam's business number!"

      Unless you have an American accent:

      .... "do you mean Sam's in his humber?"

    7. Re:without looking by RackinFrackin · · Score: 1

      You can with an iPhone 4. The voice commands work well and don't send anything to Apple.

  18. meh by kiddygrinder · · Score: 1

    i want the biggest screen i can get without looking like an idiot for holding it to my ear. i do all the stuff he mentioned 2 handed anyway

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  19. size counts by secondhand_Buddah · · Score: 2

    I think that 15.6" with a fold out keyboard should just about do it.

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    1. Re:size counts by Fri13 · · Score: 2

      And it would be bonus if we could use them on lap instead always using some kind kickstand for them or hold them in hands.
      We could call them as toplaps...

  20. #4 by rikkards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    #4 Can you buy a bluetooth headpiece and pair it with your phablet?

    If so then the first 3 arguments are moot. I think most people who are buying them recognize that in most cases the "ablet" portion is more important for them than the "ph" portion but don't want to have a phone and a tablet.

  21. Me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • I have the Samsung Galaxy Note (1) and love it. Nice for reading most material, and I like and use the stylus (kids seem to have endless fun with it too as some overpriced etchasketch). The Note II seems to have improved quite somewhat on the stylus and apps.
    • Yes, I have started to wear mostly cargo pants. It fits the back pocket on my jeans, but you shouldn't sit down like that. (Plus side: zip off legs for summer afternoons.) Some changes to the standard cargo pant pattern might be helpful though: slightly smalled cargo pockets so the thing does not fall over to "landscape" orientation, and moved slightly forward and up so you don't squash the contents behind your knee when squatting.
    • I have acromegaly, like André the Giant pictured in the article, though not as advanced as he. Two words: fat fingers. Hands don't get so much longer as they get broader, in my experience. Pity the Swype keyboard does not do my first language, it's quite awesome in English.
  22. HP Veer 4G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After HP bought out Palm, but before they ran it into the ground, they released the HP Veer 4G.

    Tiny phone. 2.8" inch screen. Vertical slider with a physical keyboard that was on the small side of usable. More than sufficient for banging out an SMS or the occasional e-mail. Wireless inductive charging. A tiny phone, great when paired with a tablet.

    So, how big is big enough? 2.8" for me. Wishing that someone would bring out a modern smartphone in that form factor... but it seems like the smallest smartphone at 3.5" is the iPhone 4...

    1. Re:HP Veer 4G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm often tempted to go back to my Palm Pixi Plus. No other phone, smart or otherwise, has felt so comfortable in my pocket. The 2.6" screen was plenty big for texting and email, which is all I really care about. Fantastic keyboard, too.

  23. From the Department of the Bleedin' Obvious by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone.

    Gee, thanks Professor! I never coulda worked that one out for myself.

    Smartphone Screen Real Estate: How Big Is Big Enough?

    The answer is: Big Enough is Big Enough, the definition of which varies from person to person and is usually obvious to said person within about five minutes of trying out the phone.

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  24. Resizeable phones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clearly, we need resizeable phones. The phone should unfold to be the size of a tablet when it's in our hands, of course. We also need it to be seamless -- no unsightly hinges or gaps, please. But then when we make a call, we need it to squeeze down to be about 2-2.5 inches wide in our hand, and no more than 6-8 inches long. At a different time, the camera mode should have something about 5 inches by 3 inches, and a good half inch thick would be perfectly acceptable.

    Don't laugh at me! *chuckle* But seriously, when we get flexible electronics, flexible displays, and a gel-like glass/plastic screen.. we're mostly there. Then the "phone" will truly be a one device for everything gadget, that expands, quite literally, to fit its current use. Add a slight electrical charge to make its current form rigid after it adjusts to the needed size.

    Ok, there's the idea. Get on it, inventors!

  25. Hyperopia and sausage fingers rule the world? by elal1862 · · Score: 1

    I can understand the need for 4.2" - 5" screens from a 'sausage finger and less-than-20/20-vision perspective'.
    But that leaves us geek girls horribly disenfranchised by the industry!
    I'd rather have the same amount of pixels stuffed in a 3" max. (yes, THREE inch) screen. Everything larger feels as completely unnecessary bulk and only makes the design more prone to breakage. And... you need to be extremely 'gifted' to stuff a Galaxy Note in your bra!

    Yes, there are some activities that work better with more physical screen space and in those cases anything less than 10" is cramped. But I already have a device for that; it's called a tablet. Horses for courses, DUH

    1. Re:Hyperopia and sausage fingers rule the world? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm a big guy who likes big phones myself, but the one market opportunity I see most are for small phones that don't suck. For some reason small = underpowered these days, which is silly since many people, girls or guys alike, want small phones with top specs.

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    2. Re:Hyperopia and sausage fingers rule the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes more engineering effort to fit high-end guts into a small package. Outside of Apple and Blackberry, no-one seems to care to bother.

    3. Re:Hyperopia and sausage fingers rule the world? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
      Indeed. And, since marketing persuaded the world that they wanted all-touchscreen phones, BlackBerry has been in the doo-doos. Yet I played with the most basic BB the other day - the 9320. It's built like Nokia used to be and it has a surprising amount of functionality. I didn't expect the GPS to work on such a cheap phone, but it was accurate. It's a little bit slow, but far more capable than a cheap Android phone. I now want a Q10, when it comes out.

      The volume industry is driven by fashion, not function.

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    4. Re:Hyperopia and sausage fingers rule the world? by elal1862 · · Score: 1

      The volume industry is driven by fashion, not function.

      Well, isn't it ironic that the more fashion-conscious end of the market gets the raw deal?

  26. Nexus 4 - 4.7in - is as big as I would want by s7uar7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Nexus 4 is my first touch-screen phone and I wouldn't want anything larger. I can just stretch my thumb across the whole screen while holding it with one hand; any larger and I would either need to use two hands or be prone to dropping it.

  27. What if... by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What if phones came in a range of shapes and sizes so you could choose the size that suited you.

    If only we lived in such a world...

    NB: Samsung links for illustrative purposes only - different sized phones are available from other manufacturers - I believe Apple will sell you a rather fine phone if you believe that there is Only One True Phone Size. Odd, because Apple offer every other product line they do in a range of form factors...

    Seriously folks - the right size of phone depends on your personal priorities. If you're a heavy voice/txt user then maybe a smaller, thumb-friendly phone is for you. If you only send the occasional voice call or txt, but want web, email, navigation, games in your pocket then phablets are more attractive. The Galaxy Note II is about the minimum size to be useful with a stylus and/or split screen multitasking - but maybe you don't want to use those (Samsung's split-screen multitasking is impressive, but I admit that the only reason I ever use it is to show people how impressive it is...)

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    1. Re:What if... by MultiPak · · Score: 1

      I never get my stylus out in public, all those different hands on it, urrggghhhh, and certainly not just to impress people.

    2. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if phones came in a range of shapes and sizes so you could choose the size that suited you.

      It would be awesome, but they don't. Small screen size is usually accompanied by a slow processor, tiny amount of RAM and sub-standard specs. The first one you link to comes with Android 2.2 FFS. So it would be great if we could by the same overall phone in different form factors, but that's not yet the reality we live in.

    3. Re:What if... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      The first one you link to comes with Android 2.2 FFS.

      Sorry - I meant to link to the Galaxy SIII Mini, not that one. (While choice is good, the 10 zillion similarly-named models that Samsung produce show that you can have too much of a good thing).

      However, smaller phones have less space for batteries, less pixels to wrangle and will typically be used for less demanding apps, and are less suitable for multitasking - so less powerful processors make sense.

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    4. Re:What if... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Did Samsung pay you to post all those Samsung links?

    5. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Apple will sell you a rather fine phone if you believe that there is Only One True Phone Size.
       
      What about people who think the Apple is a fine phone just because it's what they want and aren't over zealous like some Fandroids who have to put in a disclaimer to hide their obvious fanboi love affair with Samsung?

    6. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, smaller phones have less space for batteries, less pixels to wrangle and will typically be used for less demanding apps, and are less suitable for multitasking - so less powerful processors make sense.

      It does make sense and I suspect that's half the reason why most smaller smartphones are way less powerful than the large ones. However each user has their own preference - for example my mom prefers smaller phones (I think she finds them less intimidating to work with). So I suspect a high-quality powerful small phone has at least as much merit and potential user base as a huge tablet-like phone.

      I'm not sure about some of your logic about the hardware though - smaller batteries are actually offset by smaller screens (which use up most of the battery life). Also most modern smartphones have a separate graphics chip, so I don't think processor speed has much to do with drawing fewer or more pixels (i.e. angry birds will take as much processor power on a smaller phone as on a large one). Not to mention that multitasking is mostly about RAM, since on Android processes in the background don't usually do all that much work.

    7. Re:What if... by Mr_Silver · · Score: 1

      What if phones came in a range of shapes and sizes so you could choose the size that suited you.

      Unfortunately this isn't quite so rosy when you find out that all the Android phones with screens under 4.2" are generally gimped.

      Want a 4" Samsung phone that is more powerful than the Galaxy S3 Mini? No such luck.

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    8. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The samsung phones you linked... they show exactly what is the problem here. The high-end hardware is only available in the bigscreen phones, there are no good, decent performance phones with a smaller form factor.

    9. Re:What if... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that multitasking is mostly about RAM, since on Android processes in the background don't usually do all that much work.

      This is changing - the Note II has a split-screen mode that lets you have two applications running side-by-side and can also play video in a small window overlaid on another app.

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    10. Re:What if... by tepples · · Score: 1

      The Galaxy Note II is about the minimum size to be useful with a stylus

      Then how did Palm PDAs and the Nintendo DS become popular with a screen smaller than that of the GN2?

  28. Much, much smaller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using a Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini Pro (the second version). It's very small but chunky when closed (sort of the same size as the old ericsson handsets), has a good touchscreen, but slides open to show a really good small keyboard, leaving the entire screen clear. Sits in my pocket very easily, and is fast enough for whatever I need.

    I think one-thumb typing is one of those silly arbitrary things - is it quicker to do that? If it isn't, why do it, unless it's for sending texts when you should be concentrating on something else.

    I was never a blackberry user (did have a Nokia E61 before my last phone, an original HTC Magic). I do like to send emails, and properly punctuated, grammatically correct text messages (not old hat, whatever anyone tells you).

    However, the entire mobile phone industry seems to have decided, even in the UK, that phones with keyboards are unmarketable old hat. Sony, having bought out Ericsson, is the last to fall: apparently nobody wants them.

  29. Its all about ergonomics and the individual by jools33 · · Score: 1

    For me its all a matter of ergonomics and the individuals hand size. Sure applications developers can develop for folks with larger phones and small hands - but in general they don't give a damn. I have a Galaxy S2 - and sometimes I do find it a stretch when using the device one handed - and I have dropped the phone on more than one occasion - so I guess I don't want too much bigger than an S2 - but people with bigger hands will want bigger devices. It definitely is easier on the eyes to read from a larger screen.

  30. 5.5in seems like the sweet spot (for me at least) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a Galaxy Note II and admittedly it took a while to get used to the large screen size, but after a few weeks I had to borrow the wifes iPhone and it felt like a puny childs toy in comparison. I love the big screen for browsing the web, playing games and reading e-books...not sure I'd want to go any bigger than a Note II though, I think anything larger would start to get a too unwieldy to use as a phone. I'd love to see an upgraded version that has the same screen size, but better support for windowed applications so I could hook it upto my TV/monitor and use it as a PC. It already does HDMI out with surround sound and you get can a receiver that adds a few USB ports, so the hardware is there, it's just the operating system that is lacking.

  31. Who cares ? by obarthelemy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are phones of every size from 2" to 8" (and even 10" with a bit of hacking).

    Some people call a lot, some don't
    Some people text a lot, some don't
    Some people read a lot on their phones, some don't. And some have good eyesight, others not.
    Some people spend a lot of time in transit, some don't
    Some people have big hands, some don't

    There's a right size for every customer and use case.

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    1. Re:Who cares ? by ledow · · Score: 2

      And, personally, I'd be quite happy to have "just a phone" that was absolutely miniscule.

      What does a phone need? A way to connect a headset (Bluetooth), a way to answer an incoming call (a button on the headset, normally), and a way to dial a contact number (e.g. jogwheel and tiny 10-character display which can double up as caller-ID, but even a tiny watch-size LCD would be okay).

      Gimme a phone the size of the smallest iPod nano's and it's fulfilled its purpose.

      I'd rather carry that and then a phone-size tablet only for the times I need it, so long as the tablet can't auto-dial out (though using the Bluetooth to share a 3G connection on the nano-phone might be helpful occasionally) and the phone doesn't try and run games / apps / whatever.

      Feature creep makes us want to carry one thing that does everything well and that can cause problems (apps spending money, dialling out, interfering with calls, etc.). Gimme a nano-phone and, when I want it, a mini-tablet about the size of the smaller Galaxy handsets. Take the 3G etc. functions out of the tablet and let it do what it does best. Take the app-crap and touchscreens out of the phone and let it do what it does best.

      Hell, if you did it right, the pair could probably join together physically smaller than a conventional smartphone if you really wanted them to.

      I spend my working life managing computer devices that try to do everything and be everything. I'd much rather not have to deal with that in my personal life too, when I just want to make a phone call. Last time I picked up my phone, it told me that apps needed updating, an OS update was ready and it was running out of internal memory.

      Make computers computers, and make phones phones. Make them join, we have perfectly good protocols and cabling for that. But make them specialise in getting out of the user's damn way.

    2. Re:Who cares ? by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 1

      There's a right size for every customer and use case.

      That's not what she said, admit it.

    3. Re:Who cares ? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I have big hands, sausage fingers, and honestly don't talk THAT much on the phone. But I do have to check and respond-to emails and texts a bunch. So something like the Galaxy S3 is a perfect size for me since it fits in all of my pockets and lets me type easier. I haven't tried the Notes but I haven't ruled them out.

      Meanwhile one of my friends is short in stature, has small hands, and talks a lot. He only switched from a flip-phone to an iPhone because he liked the fewer-moving-parts aspect (no hinge to break, buttons to get stuck, etc)

      Different people == different priorities.

    4. Re:Who cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, I still don't use a smartphone and my old Motorola flip phone is the perfect size for a phone as far as I'm concerned.

    5. Re:Who cares ? by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      The telling thing is that you *can* have that (get a cheap Nokia or some such), and yet you don't ?

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    6. Re:Who cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing this falls under the "News for nerds" part of slashdot. That or once again we are discussing tech gossip. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    7. Re:Who cares ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that all the high-end new phones are constantly getting bigger. If you want a smaller phone you end up with inferior technology.

    8. Re:Who cares ? by ledow · · Score: 1

      I had a cheap Nokia. Had it for years (probably nearly a decade). It's the size of every other phone I've ever had, and has Java, a webcam, a radio, a camera, and god-knows-what-else on it (i.e. that's how "simple" it is). It ran out of internal memory every 100 texts or a few dozen camera shots (not that I ever used it) and had no external storage.

      Binned it when it became almost impossible to find batteries and chargers for it, for the least-smart smartphone available I could get without basically ending up with the same thing (thought that the smartphone side might be helpful in my job - so far I've played several games and binned one subnet calculator app for taking longer to operate than just working it out myself). Spend more time managing the damn thing than I do calling on it.

      If you don't see how "carrying an old crap 'pre-smart-phone' phone around" or "using a smartphone" is different to what I'm saying, you've misunderstood.

      Next question?

  32. Why are you so interested in my big phablet? by MultiPak · · Score: 1

    Why are you so interested in my big phablet (Galaxy Note)? The endless tirade from you busy bodies (U Know Who You Are!) with nothing better to do. Comment such as: Is that a phone in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me; Nice TV; Shouting hello into a pretend massive phone; ... If you do not want one, or you don't want mine, fine, it is only a matter of time till you succumb. My note is perfect and I can operate mine one handed. The answer to this question is to look at the sales boom in the year of the phablet. However, to be fair, the following dimensions are far too big. 147 x 83.5 x 9.8 mm A better question would be how do you secure your phablet, I use F-Secure.

  33. Presbyopia says go big or go home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "phablet" needs to be small enough I can carry it like a book or in a coat pocket.

    Otherwise it needs to be as big as possible so I can see text with my aging eyes
    and not miss keys and buttons with my fat fingers.

    7 or 8 inches is OK. Bluetooth ear candy is your friend - no need to hold your "phablet" to your ear.

    I already have a Nexus 7 with 3G for data - it would be good enough if it also did voice calls over 3G.

    4 inch phones are for kids.

  34. audio and microphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pretty much explains itself. don't need to hold the phone to your ear

  35. Happy Note 2 owner here!! by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 3, Informative

    Last Xmas I gave myself a Galaxy Note 2, upgrading from an aging HD2. I'm a big screen whore so it was a no brainer.

    Yes, at first it's cumbersome and unwieldy and I took a couple weeks of daily usage to get used to it. All reviews pointed this out, so I knew what I was getting into.

    Now I can operate it one-handed (ok, I have big NBA-player hands) and it fits in any pocket if I remove the rubbery cover I got at DX.

    Any S3 or iPhone 5 is tiny by comparsion. I just don't see mysef going back to small screens.

  36. Bolted to the wall... by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

    I am old enough to remember the old wooden block phones that looked like a Dalek bolted to the wall and which required two hands to operate: One to hold the ear piece, one to wind the ringer and then you get "Number please???" from the lady at the exchange.

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  37. Nexus 4 is my limit by erroneus · · Score: 1

    I am an old school geek. I wear my phone in a pouch on my hip. Keys, and change go in my pocket... wallet in hit pocket.

    Can't put those giant larger phones on my hip... it's getting ridiculous enough with the Nexus 4. I do appreciate the higher screen resolutions, but the Nexus 4 delivers that well enough for now. But I also like my Nexus 7 for those other functions like GPS and such... though admittedly, the last time I was doing GPS, it was my Nexus 4.

  38. Re:Meh. I've tried different phone sizes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's longish but not unmanageable. The weight difference, on the other hand, is staggering. iPhone 5 is like a feather in your hands.

  39. Fit in my pocket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Small enough to fit in my pocket.

    Otherwise, it will end up as a desk phone, just like all the iPhones and Android phones at work, that stay on the owners desk while they go elsewhere, and when they ring, either the owner will rush through the office, or not be around, and the phone will just be a noisy interruption to everyone else. Just like the land line used to be.

    1. Re:Fit in my pocket by billyswong · · Score: 1

      So true.

  40. Please, please, please... by ex01 · · Score: 2

    Don't perpetuate that name. Yuck.

    ph***ets

  41. In soviet russia by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    your smartphone carries you.

    That would be "big enough", even if you won't call it smartphone, maybe gundam would be appropiate. But wearing it should be the future.

  42. convenience carrying by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    The phone spends the majority of its time in my pocket, so it needs to meet a number of compromise goals:
    1) fit in a reasonable pocket. I carry mine in a front pocket, and usually wear jeans or dockers, and am male, so it can be fairly large in x/y dimensions.
    2) survive in a reasonable pocket: in my pocket, there's a significant risk of flexing as I sit, run, whatever. It's got to be thick enough (or durable enough) to resist damage from flexing.
    3) utility: I like the biggest possible screen, without a lot of space wasted on frame/bezel. A big screen is easier for just about anything from movies to books to showing something to someone to using it as an in-car nav system.

    I have a galaxy s3 with a 4.8" screen which is great and while I was quite concerned with its durability at first (it's pretty thin) i've been favorably impressed.

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  43. As big as Apple tells me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... DUH!

  44. Interesting criteria by MDillenbeck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're not into parsing out the particulars of form factors and use cases, here's a really easy way to figure out if your phone or phablet is too big: Can you hold the device in one hand and 1) unlock the phone, 2) type out a text message with your thumb, and 3) adjust the volume with the rocker without using your other hand? If not, you might need a smaller phone

    That is a big assumption on my usage. I do not typically use my Galaxy SIII one handed - I typically use it with both hands. What do I typically use my smartphone for?

    I text far more often now to communicate with family, but since I can't get a phone with an integrated keyboard and I have yet to custom build a case that holds a small bluetooth keyboard, I need a bigger screen - because I need buttons that fit the size of my short stubby fingers AND I have having only one or two lines of text displayed when typing.

    However, I far more often use my phone for internet browsing, reading Slashdot and Reddit, reading email, watching Netflix or Youtube videos on the go, checking weather, and as an alarm clock. My type of usage is becoming more common.

    (Oh, as to using Netflix on a phone I often get "why would you want to watch Netflix on such a tiny screen" to which I say "that's why I want a larger screen" - and then they say "why would anyone want a larger screen on a phone" and I say "because I mainly use it to watch Netflix and browse the web on the go or when on vacation." My coworkers mocked me getting a 3.8" smartphone as being "huge" - and yet within the year they all had 4" screens and didn't see a problem with it.)

    Next, all three aspects are not a function of the size of the smartphone but design decisions. You can place the volume rocker, the unlock, and make a one handed virtual thumb-board for texting on even the largest of devices - but you have to break the traditional model and move the stuff around. Why are the volume and power buttons towards the top of smartphones when people more often hold them towards the bottom? Why do virtual keyboards mimic physical ones rather than coming up with a novel and more functional layout for one handed usage? They don't have to be designed that way - there was an active choice.

    As to the Galaxy Note II (my next phone when I can afford it) - that uses a wacom pen input. As a long time user of what use to be called Tablet PCs but now are called either slates or convertable tablet PCs (as a coworker who now works at Microsoft insisted on since a tablet means an iPad styled device only to him and his Microsoft cohorts *rolls eyes*), I love a pen interface. What is more natural than writing a to-do list or taking a note with a pen? That is definitely not a one-handed activity, and thus there is no need to keep it to a size that is one-handed.

    Finally, the pocket issue. How many times do I have to hear this one? First it was we all needed Razrs or at least flip phones because the candybar form factor was too bulky for a pocket. Then physical keyboards or extended batteries made a phone too big for a pocket and too thick to hold in a hand... but nothing felt better then sliding out a keyboard and using my Galaxy S (and the SIII is so thin that a slide out keyboard really wouldn't have been that horrible to add). Now its the large screen makes them too big for all but cargo pants. I don't buy it - I have plenty of space in the pockets of my slacks or jeans with my SIII in a case - even with the "larger screen" (something I was told by coworkers would be too "unpocketable" but was a non-issue). I've looked at the Note II and it will fit fine also. Even if it didn't, then I could get pants with larger pockets - and I don't mean cargo pants. Again, a non-issue.

    CONCLUSION: With all that said about it being a design choice and preference - if a person finds a "phablet" like the Note II to be too big for them - that's fine. Just recognize it as a choice. I am saddened that those who want small flip phones and

  45. Kids these days... by Solandri · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The ideal size for a phone is for one end to reach your ear and the other end to reach your mouth. If you look at corded and cordless phones throughout history, you'll find they (or their handset) are all this size. It's only recently, in the last 20 years, that phones began to get smaller in an attempt to make them more portable. In fact flip phones were invented to maintain the ear-to-mouth length while collapsing into a smaller size for carrying. For a while it was a contest to see who could come out with the smallest phone, so they kept shrinking (often compromising voice quality during calls because the microphone was further from the mouth, causing the phone to pick up more ambient noise).

    Then phones merged with PDAs and suddenly you wanted a bigger screen. So phones started to get bigger again. For people who just want a phone, a smaller size will do. For people who want to do more computer stuff on their phone, the screen is more important so they'll prefer the bigger screen. The whole premise that small is good and big is bad on a phone is a recent phenomenon, and outdated because it's based on when all you did with a mobile phone was make calls. Today it's a tradeoff between portability (smaller is better) and comfortable screen size (bigger is better).

    The summary asks when is a phone too big? But an equally valid question is when is a smartphone too small?

  46. When can we move past "one phone per number"? by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    I would love to be able to have both something like this Nokia candybar phone with its pleasing form factor and epic battery life, as well as a small tablet that also happened to handle cellular phone calls, if they could both send/receive calls using the same number. I can have more than one phone with the same number in my house, what's so unreasonable about having more than one cellular device with the same number?

    .

    1. Re:When can we move past "one phone per number"? by kannibal_klown · · Score: 1

      Well, you KIND of can with Google Voice. Get a Google Voice number and set it up to ring mobile phones 1 through X.

      But, you'd still need to have plans on all of your mobile phones with their own number. Which costs money. But at least you'd still have the 1 main number that rings and texts all of your phones.

  47. Bigger is better by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I just have someone else carry it for me. I'm getting a 22" phone.

  48. Obligatory Firesign by bmo · · Score: 1

    Franklin: "There, it's done and printed! The first American dollar bill! What do you think of it Tom?"

    Jefferson: "It's too big...I mean, really, an 8x10 of George, it's hard to put in your wallet."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL01B5DC0C984EFA2D&feature=player_detailpage&v=o2v9A-PZ5wA#t=297s

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  49. Market should drive design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people don't buy it, then you might want to rethink the the design. Otherwise, let the people decide on things like size, and how they want to use the device.

    Think Different!

  50. Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a galaxy note, which fits just fine in my pants pocket, and can easily be used one-handed.

    I look forward to moving to an 8" Samsung tablet with phone support when they come out, which will reside in a jacket pocket.

    Talking is not my primary usage of smart phone, and hasn't been for years.

    1. Re:Galaxy Note by ryzvonusef · · Score: 1
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  51. No such thing by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as too big

  52. That's why I liked the Nokia N800 idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A larger (for the time) screen tablet-like thingy that was pocketable and large enough to use for the internet, inherently expecting to be used with another phone meant to be for phoning, and you pair the two.

  53. phones are for talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't need screens. Screens are the reason all the douchebag kids are crashing into people. Modern devices are being designed by cunts for cunts, and I'm not just talking about dildos. Bluetooth is what you're gonna have after i punch your stupid fucking face.

  54. PC Replacement by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    Keep in mind that for many people a smartphone will be their only computer. Personally (like many slashdotters) I have a dual monitored desktop, a 15" laptop, an iPad, an e-ink bookreader, and an iPhone. So I can pick the exact screen size I want to match my needs exactly; thus I want my smart phone to stay fairly small. But if I only had one screen and it were to be my smart phone I would want that screen to be bordering on the absurd. I wouldn't want to hold an iPad mini to my ear but pretty close. Plus get a bluetooth headset and you won't look like a dumbass with this brick up against your ear.

    So it makes total sense for people to get huge smartphones. People blah blah about the post PC era, which for joe non-technical is rapidly approaching. This post PC world will probably make larger screens quite logical.

    One other market is the Baby Boomer: With failing eyesight the bigger the better when it comes to screen/font sizes. "Oh I don't have the coolest phone? Don't care because I can read the screen."

  55. Looking for an objective answer? by ctrlshift · · Score: 1

    To a very very subjective question? This seems like an odd thing to ask -- as though there is some perfect, golden size for a phone. How big are your hands? How long is your thumb? Do you use an earpiece all the time? What about a ThingSling? Are you principally wearing slacks or jeans? How big is the pocket on your coat that corresponds to your principle hand? How much weight is comfortable on that hand? Do you also own a tablet? Does your phone need to fit easily into a dash mount? How good are you with voice recognition? Do you text with the frequency of a gregarious teenager, or do you have a compulsion to show people YouTube videos at random moments? Or both?

    I really hope the industry doesn't take all the data it gathers on its best-selling phones and decide "Yup, X inches is definitely the best, commence mass-production." We're all different.

  56. Well, let's see! by damnbunni · · Score: 1

    My phone's much smaller than a 'phablet', but can I do it?

    Can I unlock it with one hand? Yeah, I just flick the screen open to expose the keyboard.

    Can I type a text message with my thumb? Uh, theoretically yes, but it would be really awkward to balance my phone across my hand and tap out a message on the hardware keyboard that way. If I needed to send a text after my other hand was chopped off or something, I guess I'd hit the Vlingo icon and say 'Text Bob, AAAAUGH SOMEONE CUT OFF MY HAND!'

    Can I adjust the volume rocker one-handed? Sure. I can do that on my tablet, too. And my DSi XL, which is bigger than any 'phablet' when open. For that matter, it only takes one hand to adjust the volume on my record player, though I'll admit that usually isn't in my pocket.

    What a bizarre set of things to rate a phone on!

  57. Re:Meh. I've tried different phone sizes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agree 100%.

    I don't have an iPhone, I'm running my circa 2010 LG Optimus S - and it's positively tiny compared to many of the phones out there. I've played with the Galaxy SII/III - too big. The Lumia 920 - too big. The sad thing is that the trend is going even -bigger-. Sigh. But - my OpS fits in my pocket easily, has good battery life (2 days normal use between charges), and is running CM9 (4.0.2) and it runs great.

    An iPhone 4 is about the same size (little thinner) and wouldn't be bad IMHO, but the Galaxy SIII is a full inch taller and half inch wider. It's just too damn big.

  58. Smartphone != Phone by throckmorten · · Score: 1

    Any 'phone' where I have to do more to call someone that press 11 buttons (10 for the number and 1 to dial) isn't a phone, it's a micro-tablet that can also make phone calls.
    So at that stage all we're arguing over is your personal preference, and there is no 1 correct answer.

    1. Re:Smartphone != Phone by jjsimp · · Score: 1

      You do know, if you are calling domestically from the US on a wireless phone, you do not have to put the prefix 1 on the beginning of the phone number. I noticed that with my first cell phone over 10+ years ago.
      And every time I use a landline, I get annoyed with the operator message that I need to use a 1 to dial a long distance. You would think if I didn't enter more than ten digits they would know to dial domestically.

  59. The real solution by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Old people with bad vision just need to spend some money and go to the eye doctor for modified glasses. That aside, the real solution is the same size or smaller screen with a physic keyboard on a slider type of assembly underneath it. My Samsung Character R640 has that and I can type faster than any touch-based one including a full sized iPad. Once you can type on it and see it, save the battery life and stop making the screen (and GPU) bigger.

    1. Re:The real solution by jjsimp · · Score: 1

      I don't mind them manufacturing slider phones, I just do not want one. It adds too much extra bulk to a phone.

  60. Size is only part of the equation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to add that size is only part of the equation. Screen resolution is equally as important. Resolution dictates how much data can be displayed. Each pixel is a data point. If you have 1080p you have approximately 2 million data points. Screen size comes into play in that you must be able to see and distinguish the data. I've found that I have no problem reading 1080p on a 5in screen. When I hold my phone up while watching a 60in TV, they are about the same size. The Note II has 1 million pixels on a 5.5in screen. That may be good if eye sight is less than perfect, but you are carrying a bigger, heavier phone to display half the data of say a Droid DNA. I hear there may be an iPhone with a 5in screen, but it will have the resolution of the iPhone 5. This maybe helpful for someone with less than perfect vision, but the 5in screen will not show any more data than the 4in screen.

  61. Dilemma... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you need a second hand to adjust the a volume cause you're holding the phone with your first hand, you have no hand left to jerk yourself off due to the large screen size.... that... that REALLY sucks...

  62. Thumb typing? No. Home-row bumps, please? by jabberw0k · · Score: 0

    Your thumb is for the space-bar. Your fingers are for typing. If you are giving us screens big enough to actually type, how about at least giving us transparent little home-row tactile-feedback bumps where the 'f' and 'j' keys are?

  63. My Samsung Galaxy Note II has the size i want. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

    While 5.5" may sound way to big it really is a pretty good size for what i use it for. No problems holding it on call and at the same time enough screen to be able to do anything on the web with ease and watch movies etc comfortably. Imho its just a matter of taste really and what you use your mobile for. If all you do is making calls then a large screen will of course suck.

    Personally im still waiting for the mobile that can replace my desktop. I suppose any phone with an intact Linux distribution in it would fit the bill rather nicely.

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  64. They're stupid by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Seriously, get a tablet if you want something big. iPhone 5 is a bit too big but the S3 and others are even bigger. The iPhone 4S is the perfect size, imo.

  65. The 80's boombox reborn by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    I don't see any end in sight. I figure in two or three years we'll see people walking around with 27" phones on their shoulders.

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    1. Re:The 80's boombox reborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least then they would have decent speakers!

    2. Re:The 80's boombox reborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any end in sight. I figure in two or three years we'll see people walking around with 27" phones on their shoulders.

      It seems that you are waiting for this:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct1_r_61sk8

    3. Re:The 80's boombox reborn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see any end in sight. I figure in two or three years we'll see people walking around with 27" phones on their shoulders.

      I'm totally waiting for a photoshop of a hipster and a 27" iMac on a shoulders trap swinging to the side.

  66. Army/combat trousers by Lennie · · Score: 1

    Or whatever they are called, they have these large side pocket.

    My prediction is they are going to be the next trend ;-)

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  67. Put a phone to your ear?? How quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bigger the display the better. Get a 7" screen phone and use a bluetooth headset for phone calls.

  68. sign me up for the 27" tablet/phone by Angturil · · Score: 1

    seriously, I'd buy one the instant it comes on market.

  69. Phones are already too large by jjsimp · · Score: 1

    IMO, the perfect size was a 4" screen.

    However, I have a shorter than average height. I currently have the GNex, and find it a little large. I have to use two hands to steady the phone while using it.

    It would be ideal if I could power on the phone with my pinky resting on the bottom to keep it from slipping out of my hand. As it is now, I can do that, but my thumb/index finger is stretching all the way up to the power button (right, top of phone) and usually my pinky will slip off the bottom before I reach it.

    I also used to be able to swipe and type one handed with the OG Nexus. Now I hold the phone with my left hand and type with my right.

    It's shame they can't offer people different sizes of the same phone (especially nexuses? nexii?). Give people the option of the 4", 4.5", and 5" screens.

  70. Re:Put a phone to your ear?? How quaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The bigger the display the better. Get a 7" screen phone and use a bluetooth headset for phone calls.

    Awesome, then everyone can look like a giant douche.

  71. That's a bullsh^H^H^H^H^H^H subjective test by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    If it comes down to doing things with one hand, then even the 3.5" ones will fail with me. Touchscreen in same hand that's holding it, has just too high of an error rate for me. Real buttons can be used that way, but touchscreens fail. (It would help if the designers would use decent-size batteries, questing for something useful rather than extreme thinness. Use a real battery and the device will weigh more, and be more stable when held in one hand! Fuckwit designers, grumble grumble.)

    Fortunately, it doesn't really come down to doing things with one hand. To me, it's all about size relative to front trouser pocket. Your milage may vary; we all have different ways of doing things.

    BTW, I'm seeing a trend I didn't notice before: people are saying that if a device is too big, then somehow it looks silly when you hold it up to your ear like a phone. I think that's a matter of totally arbitrary taste. I was watching The Prisoner (1967) again a few weeks ago, and they had some enormous phone props, and you know what? They actually looked kind of cool (I'm not saying they would be practical, just that the aesthetics worked out ok). If you think a large phone looks silly, then either the problem is with you, or there's some elusive stylistic aspect to phones, above and beyond size. Personally, I think the problem is in the eye of the beholder, but if I'm wrong about that, then I'm probably right in thinking that someone can make a good-looking large smartphone. It just won't be one of us tech-heads.

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  72. Note 2 Owner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use my note 2 one handed all the time, and I consider myself to be have relatively small hands for a guy my height(6 feet). I use the bodyglove TPU for protection and a better grip, and it still fits just fine in my front pocket even in my slim fit works pants.

    I will admit however that I can't see myself using a bigger phone than this, to me it's the sweet spot for screen size and usability.

  73. tyu657u5656756756uy67tu. by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

    Bigger isn't better.

    I had the big Samsung phone, and after the screen broke, I felt that it was too big.

    I have a Xperia active now because I like the water resistance of it and tougher screen, battery life is a bit small, but ok if you're not gps recording activities for more than 4-5 hours per day.

    The smaller screen is fine, mostly because for any real information gathering I use my Ipad.

    I'd recommend to restrict to only what you really need for your phone, and then let a tablet work for the rest of your mobile IT needs.

  74. not a deterrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first, I thought huge phones would be a good idea, as it would deter use while driving. Doh! Yesterday a driver next to me was using her 10" tablet, holding it in the air with one hand and touching the screen with the other, while driving. Never mind...

  75. hi website socail maketting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  76. I got tired of my iPhone 4 (smallness) by aussersterne · · Score: 2

    last year and sold it.

    For a full two months I just used my iPad 2 and Google Voice on speaker for phone calls (my longtime number was ported to my Google Voice account ages ago, so I didn't have to switch numbers or anything).

    I *strongly* considered just sticking to the iPad for phoning and being done with it.

    In the end, I decided to get a dedicated device, but screen size is a big deal for me—the iPhones are just too small. I was trying to decide between an iPad Mini and a Galaxy Note II as my primary phone.

    Finally decided on the Note.

    But I can totally see how for some people an iPad might be a perfectly acceptable phone.

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  77. why are we looking at the phone? by froth-bite · · Score: 1

    why not have a shimmering full size Catherine Zeta Jones following you around, telling you when people want to converse with you (amusingly in 'their' voice), and letting you read emails on her back, or wrist...don't get me started on touch enabled gestures for unlocking! Pity about all those folk with Steve Jobs following them, though.

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  78. No right answer by symbolset · · Score: 1

    The nice thing about the plethora of choices in the Android world is that there doesn't have to be one size that fits all. Want a 7 inch phone display? Fine. Here you go. A smartphone that's in the form factor of a box of Chiclets? Sure. You're not limited by the design choices that work for others.

    This is the way it should be, as with a number of Android device buyers rapidly approaching a billion a year there are more than enough customers to drive a variety of options.

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  79. Cell number multiple device presentation by swb · · Score: 1

    None of this would be an issue if the cell phone vendors and the cell phone companies worked out a VoIP setup for the phones that would allow cell phone numbers to have a presentation on multiple devices simultaneously.

    If they could do this, then you would just pick which device you want to bring with you and you could answer and make calls on whatever was handy. Going on a trip and want to pack light? Bring the 7" tablet. Going out? Bring the 4" phone. Sitting on the couch with the 10" tablet, but left the phone in the bedroom? Answer the call on the tablet.

    1. Re:Cell number multiple device presentation by surd1618 · · Score: 1

      I was meta-moderating and I came across this comment. IDK..., I couldn't make up my mind. This would be cool, but it would open avenues for a whole new class of exploits. On the other hand, it would allow organizations a viable way to opt out of supporting "burners", since they could keep you on the same number across devices.

    2. Re:Cell number multiple device presentation by swb · · Score: 1

      It's hard to see how they don't go this way within 10 years. IIRC, at some point LTE native phones are supposed to be VoIP over LTE anyway, meaning all access is via VoIP anyway.

      I'm sure, though, if it does become available it would be some kind of thing they upcharge the hell out of or lock down to be an Apple only feature or something.

  80. A screen's size is fixed at installation by tepples · · Score: 1

    the Note II has a split-screen mode that lets you have two applications running side-by-side

    Only if the applications are opted-in to this mode, because otherwise, that would violate existing applications' assumption that a screen's size is fixed at installation. Apparently application developers can opt-in to multi-window functionality by setting a flag in the manifest, but good luck getting Samsung devices into the hands of the developers of all the applications that you use so that you can convince them to test their applications while opted-in.

  81. Size gap between a tablet and a laptop by tepples · · Score: 1

    There's a product sized between a phone and a tablet; it's called a "phablet". There used to be a product sized between a tablet and a laptop; it was called a "netbook". Advantages of netbooks included supported for split-screen multitasking from day one. But companies stopped making these 10" laptops at the end of 2012. What's the canonical replacement for netbooks that runs all applications that I ran on my netbook?

  82. Purses for men by tepples · · Score: 1

    If I were female I could put a big phone in my purse

    There exist purses for men, called MessENger bags.

  83. Classic /. still has the preview button by tepples · · Score: 1

    There's only a submit button on the mobile version of /.

    After trying to get mobile Slashdot to behave on my Nexus 7 tablet, I discovered I like the "classic" version (slashdot.org) a lot better than the new mobile interface (m.slashdot.org). Classic still has the same preview button as desktop Slashdot.

    1. Re:Classic /. still has the preview button by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It's an OCD must-have.

  84. Pocket Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is my personal 'line'. If it fits, its a phone, if it doesn't its a tablet.. I currently am using a 6" phone. And no, i don't hold it to my head to talk to people. Bluetooth for me. ( or speakerphone )

  85. I use my tool with two hands by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Okay thats enough of the double entendres.

    However even with a small phone, I rest it in the palm of my hand and prod out the digits with a finger from the other. So I don't regard the one hand test as invalid.

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  86. Ideal (for me anyway) by smithmc · · Score: 1

    Having lived with a GS3 for several months, I like the resolution but it's a little too big. I think the perfect balance would be a 1280x720 screen, but a little smaller - say 4.3 to 4.5 inches. I would also like to see a tablet around 6 to 7 inches with the same PPI as the 720p smartphones, i.e. around 1600x900 pixels. Why are the current 7" tablets so pixel-deprived compared to the 4-5" phones and the 10" tablets, one of which is now up to a ridiculous 2560x1600 pixels??

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  87. Original Galaxy Tab is a phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the original Galaxy Tab which was the first Android 7" "phablet". I hear it actually did quite poorly in terms of sales, perhaps it was too ahead of its time. I have tried to upgrade to a newer handset but after like two years I can't get over how small all the screens are including the Note II. I'm waiting until some manufacturer sees the light and makes another 7" phone. FYI fits (barely) in the pockets of most male clothing, and if you are female I suppose there's your purse.

  88. These are cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4.0" , 4.3" , 4.7" , smallest to biggest. At least I have a case for these.

  89. Reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really it is a very nice share regarding Smartphone real estate