Wow, you really don't know how to read. Yes, the pollen is toxic, the page you linked doesn't deny that. In this situation we're talking about bees that intentionaly go around rolling in pollen, toxic levels would build up quickly. Learn some logical reasoning.
Not sure if this helps, especially since you posted anonymously.
I had a hard time dealing with people as individuals. In my case, i can attribute that to not being able to percieve a persons boundaries, including my own. With my physical eyes, i would focus on an area equivalent to about one thumbs width at arms length.
Imagine you take a portrait of someone, then using white card stock cut out a 1 inch square. Use that aperture to look at the portrait. What do you see? Do you see an object? Or a collection of details?
How can you treat people as individuals, i.e., as seperate from oneself, when you cannot see that they are seperate from yourself?
contact me if you would like any clarification or to discuss the things i did to help me see women as objects (really! That's a good thing!):)
Regarding eyes. I knew, because i was told, that eye contact is important. Yes, my initial attempts at 'eye contact' were disturbing since i was taking the words literally. The way i said it, is the way most people see it now, i.e., 'eye contact' == giving focus to the other person.
I'm actually quite delighted by how much can actually be accomplished with eye contact now, such as asking for the bill, or service, from a waiter, stopping someone from cutting in line, etc...
Funny thing is, that the way most people use the term eye contact, i was never deficient in. Just because i choose to focus on aspects of another person that they didn't want focused on did not mean i was not giving them focus! It seems to mean more, don't observe my faults, don't pay attention to what i'm doing, don't pay attention to the micro-emotions that flit across my face, the anxious ticks that consume my muscles. No, ignore everything that my body is telling you, only listen to what i WANT to tell you with my words.
It's actually quite ludicrous in that while nt's find this inability to learn 'social rules' disturbing in aspies, aspies find it disturbing that nt's go around playing superficial social games and ignore the underlying issues-->That we ALL share. Even funnier that nt's see that aspies don't 'fit in' as peer objects, while aspies see that inside we're all the same, not different. One cannot percieve the structure of the containter and the other cannot perceive that regardless of the shape and movement of the container, it contains all the same pieces.
I have to say that i wouldn't trade either way of perceiving. I must admit that when i assembled a moving model of the solar system in my head to figure out how seasons worked and the moons travel when i was 12, it was a very moving moment (no pun intended). However, learning how to stand properly and figuring out which way was up, and how to use binocular vision, and seeing without glasses, and putting that all together so i can juggle five balls in the air was equally moving. Sure, it might have taken me 33 years to learn how to stand and move properly in the outside world, but hey, i got there! (Well, being a perfectionist, i wouldn't say i'm there, when i've increased my handstands to at least 5 minutes, then i'm probably close enough:) )
You do realize that broadening your horizons does not mean shifting your narrow focus to another field right? You see, what nt's do, is grasp the object and not really care about the details. It's one of the things that we find annoying about them, how they can spout innanities about something that they are obviously clueless about. Broadening your horizons is about standing in the middle of your living room and being able to see the floor, the ceiling, the wall in front of you, the walls to the side of you, all at the same time. It is not about switching from observing one strand of pile on the carpet to observing that beautiful mitred corner in the NE quadrant of the room.
Actually, when you stop emulating and actually understand what people are doing, and do that. You will have changed your personality. haha, i actually get comments from people thinking i've undergone some sort of personality change.
Interesting that you said look people in the eye. Read my other post, although maybe you just forgot to add an s?
It's all about levels of detail. Aspies function on details. Details can be complete in and of themselves. However, social interactions require responding to the whole. The net of an Aspie the holes are too small to let the big stuff in. It's one of the reasons aspies have an obsession with how things work, how the pieces fit together.
I can understand your point, and even agree with it to a certain extent. However, there are some problems in your logic. Just because you don't know of an aspie who has been able to change doesn't mean it's impossible.
I'm somewhat fortunate in that my obsession was the human body. I knew something was different between me and others. For the large part of my life i thought that it was everybody else that was screwed up. Then it switched to me being messed up. Now it's a comfortable balance of both society and i being screwed up.
In a previous post you mentionned aspies lacking awareness of social interaction. What aspies, and everybody in general, do not lack is awareness. What is different, is where they choose to focus their awareness. Read that carefully. It's very important.
What most people don't realize is that for the most part, aspies and neurotypicals are exactly the same, i.e., they were born with the ability to focus awareness on certain aspects of life, whether they be external or internal. So you see, the real goal is not to teach aspies how to focus their awareness on the external social world. The goal is to teach EVERYONE how to first free their awareness and then focus it on whatever they wish.
Learning how to remove my internal focus and control my awareness has greatly changed the way in which i am capable of perceiving the world. Only in the last year have i realized how akward my posture, movement, and social interactions were. It's definitely not an easy road, but the rewards are well worth it. I can now walk down the street and see both sides at the same time. If you're NT that probably means nothing to you, because you see it as a given. I am still capable of focusing so that all i see is one detail, such as a single eye. It was actually one of my most confusing dilemnas in trying to approximate 'normal' social behaviour. Yes, i knew people look each other in the eyes. I simply couldn't understand or decide upon which eye to look at!!! The problem went away as soon as i learned that i can see a whole head as an object with eyes embedded in the object, you don't have to pick and choose which eye, you can see both at the same time!
There lies the major problem with autism and 'treatment'( i dislike the word, because from everything i've seen nt's and aspies are both just stuck somewhere on a continuum, the goal being not to change positions on the continuum, but to be able to glide to any spot on the continuum.). The researcher and the patient perceive the world in totally different ways, and until each understands how the other perceives then no real dialogue can take place.
Don't forget that our solar system isn't a closed system.
Wonder what part of the galaxy we're traveling through right now. People tend to forget that the earth is basically like a space ship hurtling through space, traveling in ever larger groups, solar system, galaxy, universe?
If we're cold outside, walk inside and it's warm, do we automatically assume that our body is suddenly ramping up it's heat production?
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haha, i've seen the docu, however that isn't why i stated that. You see, i've actually eaten mcdonalds in the past!! Used to taste good when i was sick, now the healthier i get the sicker it makes me:)
Remember folks, while body fat and BMI CAN be correlated with health they are NOT health indicators.
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You sound somewhat level headed. Unfortunately, your body will not thank you for the mcdonald's hamburgers. There are better alternatives out there that WILL ensure that you'll be around to spend time with friends.
What you stated is one of the biggest problems we have with our society. People think they have control.
If an external stimuli dictates what you do (defensive action of avoidance in this case)then you do not have control. If people knew how to make 'real choices' (where true control lies) we wouldn't have these problems.
I notice that my reaction times are faster when i don't use binoculor vision,ymmv. People who deal more with 2d details will have faster times than those who have focused on data crunching strategies for 3d objects where more 'extraneous detail' needs to be discarded.
So says you. You can't stop at one layer of the problem. Lack of control of your mind and body permeates every single decision you make or are incapable of making. Avoidance creates the problem that you need to be in a state of avoidance. Exchanging one energy drain for another isn't a solution.
On a crazy side note. I've noticed that while i was exercising every day i wasn't losing fat. Then i got rid of a whole bunch of specific food desires and i lost fat. Note, my eating habits didn't really change, i ate all the time, i was just no longer concerned about when/where/what i would be eating. Not my usual comment since it's totally anecdotal without any science i can think of but it's what happened. I'm sure the crazy new agers would say it's because fat stores energy and desire is energy, but they're just a bunch of crazies.:) Repeatability not so easy as most people don't/can't/won't get rid of their desires.
What are you ranting and raving about? I'm not even christian. Haha, which probably shows since most christians don't know very much about the bible, haha, then again, neither do the bible bashers.
Your example is poor and ill thought out. Do you believe that money is a reward, something that puts one person above another? You have no clue what life is about if you think money gives one an advantage. Didn't jesus say that it would be easier for the rich to squeeze through the eye of a needle than enter the kingdom of heaven?
Only when you're free of desires are you truly free. Money may help buy desires but it doesn't help one bit in getting rid of them.
using dianetics techniques (which actually work) doesn't mean you have to swallow the tripe they wrap it in. Just like you don't have to be christian to use love to make your life better.
Knee damage isn't permanent. When any joint is compressed your body will start wearing away the inside of the joint(cartilage) to create more space. Our joints need space to move. When you return to open joints and proper movement then your body has a chance to repair itself.
It's very simple. Anybody who knows anything about medicine knows that all healing comes from the body.
Do you know what bad knees are from? If you don't know how to use your body properly you're going to damage it. If it's damaged it's not capable of working efficiently and actually requires more energy input to do the same activities. You can figure the rest out yourself.
umm, just remember that he didn't just find some random hungry people. People came out to hear him speak and that's the reason why they were hungry. He had to take responsability because they were hungry due to his actions.
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Wow, you really don't know how to read. Yes, the pollen is toxic, the page you linked doesn't deny that. In this situation we're talking about bees that intentionaly go around rolling in pollen, toxic levels would build up quickly. Learn some logical reasoning.
society is just the outward manifestation of the subjective realities of those who comprise it.
I had a hard time dealing with people as individuals. In my case, i can attribute that to not being able to percieve a persons boundaries, including my own. With my physical eyes, i would focus on an area equivalent to about one thumbs width at arms length.
Imagine you take a portrait of someone, then using white card stock cut out a 1 inch square. Use that aperture to look at the portrait. What do you see? Do you see an object? Or a collection of details?
How can you treat people as individuals, i.e., as seperate from oneself, when you cannot see that they are seperate from yourself?
contact me if you would like any clarification or to discuss the things i did to help me see women as objects (really! That's a good thing!) :)
Funny thing is, that the way most people use the term eye contact, i was never deficient in. Just because i choose to focus on aspects of another person that they didn't want focused on did not mean i was not giving them focus! It seems to mean more, don't observe my faults, don't pay attention to what i'm doing, don't pay attention to the micro-emotions that flit across my face, the anxious ticks that consume my muscles. No, ignore everything that my body is telling you, only listen to what i WANT to tell you with my words.
It's actually quite ludicrous in that while nt's find this inability to learn 'social rules' disturbing in aspies, aspies find it disturbing that nt's go around playing superficial social games and ignore the underlying issues-->That we ALL share. Even funnier that nt's see that aspies don't 'fit in' as peer objects, while aspies see that inside we're all the same, not different. One cannot percieve the structure of the containter and the other cannot perceive that regardless of the shape and movement of the container, it contains all the same pieces.
I have to say that i wouldn't trade either way of perceiving. I must admit that when i assembled a moving model of the solar system in my head to figure out how seasons worked and the moons travel when i was 12, it was a very moving moment (no pun intended). However, learning how to stand properly and figuring out which way was up, and how to use binocular vision, and seeing without glasses, and putting that all together so i can juggle five balls in the air was equally moving. Sure, it might have taken me 33 years to learn how to stand and move properly in the outside world, but hey, i got there! (Well, being a perfectionist, i wouldn't say i'm there, when i've increased my handstands to at least 5 minutes, then i'm probably close enough :) )
You do realize that broadening your horizons does not mean shifting your narrow focus to another field right? You see, what nt's do, is grasp the object and not really care about the details. It's one of the things that we find annoying about them, how they can spout innanities about something that they are obviously clueless about. Broadening your horizons is about standing in the middle of your living room and being able to see the floor, the ceiling, the wall in front of you, the walls to the side of you, all at the same time. It is not about switching from observing one strand of pile on the carpet to observing that beautiful mitred corner in the NE quadrant of the room.
Interesting that you said look people in the eye. Read my other post, although maybe you just forgot to add an s?
It's all about levels of detail. Aspies function on details. Details can be complete in and of themselves. However, social interactions require responding to the whole. The net of an Aspie the holes are too small to let the big stuff in. It's one of the reasons aspies have an obsession with how things work, how the pieces fit together.
What most people don't realize is that for the most part, aspies and neurotypicals are exactly the same, i.e., they were born with the ability to focus awareness on certain aspects of life, whether they be external or internal. So you see, the real goal is not to teach aspies how to focus their awareness on the external social world. The goal is to teach EVERYONE how to first free their awareness and then focus it on whatever they wish.
Learning how to remove my internal focus and control my awareness has greatly changed the way in which i am capable of perceiving the world. Only in the last year have i realized how akward my posture, movement, and social interactions were. It's definitely not an easy road, but the rewards are well worth it. I can now walk down the street and see both sides at the same time. If you're NT that probably means nothing to you, because you see it as a given. I am still capable of focusing so that all i see is one detail, such as a single eye. It was actually one of my most confusing dilemnas in trying to approximate 'normal' social behaviour. Yes, i knew people look each other in the eyes. I simply couldn't understand or decide upon which eye to look at!!! The problem went away as soon as i learned that i can see a whole head as an object with eyes embedded in the object, you don't have to pick and choose which eye, you can see both at the same time!
There lies the major problem with autism and 'treatment'( i dislike the word, because from everything i've seen nt's and aspies are both just stuck somewhere on a continuum, the goal being not to change positions on the continuum, but to be able to glide to any spot on the continuum.). The researcher and the patient perceive the world in totally different ways, and until each understands how the other perceives then no real dialogue can take place.
Wonder what part of the galaxy we're traveling through right now. People tend to forget that the earth is basically like a space ship hurtling through space, traveling in ever larger groups, solar system, galaxy, universe?
If we're cold outside, walk inside and it's warm, do we automatically assume that our body is suddenly ramping up it's heat production?
Remember folks, while body fat and BMI CAN be correlated with health they are NOT health indicators.
You sound somewhat level headed. Unfortunately, your body will not thank you for the mcdonald's hamburgers. There are better alternatives out there that WILL ensure that you'll be around to spend time with friends.
If an external stimuli dictates what you do (defensive action of avoidance in this case)then you do not have control. If people knew how to make 'real choices' (where true control lies) we wouldn't have these problems.
I notice that my reaction times are faster when i don't use binoculor vision,ymmv. People who deal more with 2d details will have faster times than those who have focused on data crunching strategies for 3d objects where more 'extraneous detail' needs to be discarded.
On a crazy side note. I've noticed that while i was exercising every day i wasn't losing fat. Then i got rid of a whole bunch of specific food desires and i lost fat. Note, my eating habits didn't really change, i ate all the time, i was just no longer concerned about when/where/what i would be eating. Not my usual comment since it's totally anecdotal without any science i can think of but it's what happened. I'm sure the crazy new agers would say it's because fat stores energy and desire is energy, but they're just a bunch of crazies. :) Repeatability not so easy as most people don't/can't/won't get rid of their desires.
Your example is poor and ill thought out. Do you believe that money is a reward, something that puts one person above another? You have no clue what life is about if you think money gives one an advantage. Didn't jesus say that it would be easier for the rich to squeeze through the eye of a needle than enter the kingdom of heaven?
Only when you're free of desires are you truly free. Money may help buy desires but it doesn't help one bit in getting rid of them.
using dianetics techniques (which actually work) doesn't mean you have to swallow the tripe they wrap it in. Just like you don't have to be christian to use love to make your life better.
I believe that's chaotic stupid, or is that the current one?
How's your 3d depth perception? You wear glasses with different strength lenses?
Stop looking at the surface. You need to ask why.
Avoidance doesn't make a problem go away.
It's very simple. Anybody who knows anything about medicine knows that all healing comes from the body.
I'd suggest yoga to fix that shoulder.
Do you know what bad knees are from? If you don't know how to use your body properly you're going to damage it. If it's damaged it's not capable of working efficiently and actually requires more energy input to do the same activities. You can figure the rest out yourself.
There are many points of view
haha, oh, forgot to mention. I was usually reading or drawing at the same time. :) Less time away from my pursuits :)