Hey, they did it to MS and now they are doing it to Apple. Now I want to see all you MS naysayers jumping on Apple's back. Cause you know, half the people who argue with me about MS being a monopoly always say "But the gov't ruled they were a monopoly, so there"...like the gov't knows it's face from its ass.
Apple iPOD/iTunes is not a monopoly because there are OTHER options (Napster music download for one, other MP3 players like Rio,Sony, take your pick). The same thing with MS - they are not a monopoly because there are OTHER options.
I'd offer up organs for a lot of things, this just happens to NOT be one of them. Maybe for a Lamborghini, a mansion, some super-model to love me and hold me and squeeze me - but yea, not a touch screen.
Now if we were talking true VR (think matrix) then yea they could have my organs.
Brian Cooley, Editor at Large, CNET
9-inch amber monitor (using a TV as a monitor made the thing feel like a toy). Unlike most C64 users, I couldn't care less about gaming;
My first machine was a Commodore 64 (got it in the 1988 about). It had a color monitor and my dad bought it for me at, dum da da dum, Toys R Us. I got with it a cool tank simulator game (where you could play a Bradly, M1-A1 Abrams, and a few others...though non of them were worth it as they sucked). And I also got Apollo 13 and Apache Longbow Simulator....I also got a wicked word processing program that was something version 6.0....my friend have 5.1 which did not have a menuing system, but mine was a gui system:)...well once you were in the program.
I hate to tell you this, but in this day and age (and for many years) ALL employees who are not generating direct revenue are liabilities. As a non-revenue generating employee you are nothing but a cost-of-doing business. You may be an invaluable liability - with a skill that few have or can outperform, but you are still a liability. Any other thinking is just plain wrong and wishful thinking on your part.
Because these 'tard companies always bitch about employees not being loyal to the company - except the employees are not loyal because they want to change jobs every 2-3 years, they are not loyal because companies treat them like dogshit. They give medeiocre raises (cost of living sound familiar), work their employees insane hours, not much in the way of appreciation (actually money is the only real form of appreciation imho) oh and the CEOs are still raking in MILLIONS/year! Defend the corporates all you like - they are bunch of assholes. This is the reason why unions were made - unfortunately, white collars don't typically get unions.
You know, I was just about to say that. Damn, what a bunch of fucktards. I can understand if they lay people off and then merge with a company or get bought out - but to buy another product? How irresponsible. As I said to a friend of mine last week - in this day and age employees are treated like liabilities not assets. As the saying goes "If you are not in sales, then you're overhead"
Robots are great if all you want to do is collect soil samples and take photos, but to really get the feel of a place, to perform real experiments in that environment - nothing, currently, is better then sending up an astronaut. More expensive yea - but face it, the price NASA pays is insanely high and that is the fault of our government. Space exploration could be much cheaper and safer but our government loves getting ripped off. Also, astronauts are not forced to go into space - they are selected (a very difficult process). Each astronaut knows any trip to space may be the last thing they do - they know the risks, and they accept them - willingly. If I had the brains, connections, etc I would love to be an astronaut - even at the current risk level.
I do not mind if they edit obvious mistakes (i.e. Wiki says the person voted Yay on a topic when he actually voted Nay, or the persons college GPA is incorrect, etc.) Facts are fine, anything else should not be touched by people with vested interests - in this case the person the article is referring to, their employees, or family.
You are 100% correct, they are not allowed to work together which is collusion - and as such they are working together. But they are also rich as hell, so they can bend the laws to their favor. Let us hope the other guys - who in this fight are the good guys - will fight for us (and themselves)
First time in my life, except maybe when i was like 10 years old and younger that I have skipped the state of the union...and only because i can't tolerate to listen to him anymore.
Here is an interesting excerpt on the forth paragraph "In a system of two parties"
As every independent party member out there is like "huh, are we out of a group now?" Mind you I am a Democrat, but come on, even I don't alienate the Green party...I may think they are retards (joking for the impaire) but I realize they exist...and so do the other parties.
You know, now that I've posted that and realise just how small I really am in the financial world...
If you'll excuse me I think I need to go... do... something.
Don't quite know what yet but snorting cocaine is climbing up the list quite quickly...
hmmm....
Yea, I think this is the most sensible post I have ever seen on/. And for a person who does not do anything more then drink alcohol, that is saying a lot. Man, it makes me wish I could do something like save Bill's life...then when he rewards me I could retire:) If you were the richest man in the world, someone just saved your life - would giving 5 mil be that bad?:)
Do you REALLY want the IRS to use the latest and greatest technology with all of it's bugs? it is the same thing with NASA. They don't use the latest processors (I believe I read a long time ago on/. they use PIIs) because they want proven technology. This is one case where I am happy with our gov't using old technology...hell the gov't can't seem to get voting ballot machines to work correctly, it's amazing they got services like the IRS to work.
Yea, and Bill gates pays more taxes in one year then you and me earn in ten years. Talk about putting things into perspective.... Oh and my numbers are probably very very conservative.
I highly doubt it. Billy may be the richest man in the world, but the IRS - frequently - deals with large numbers ranging in the billions and trillions. Considering the IRS does consolidation reports to report to their bosses - so their bosses can say "This year, Americans earned XYZ dollars". Billy G is a drop in the hat...yea larger then what we put in the hat...by an insane amount....but still a drop in the bucket.
LOL. I was doing about 60...the people slightly in front and in the right lane hit the deer and it bounced off their car and i drove over the reindeer. Luckily the damage was not that extensive (needed a new bumper for a Ford Tauras which is made from plastic)...but the smell, good god the smell. Freezing or burying myself in an animal for warmth would be a tough call, a really tough call.
The deer guts manages to find itself into various areas that is near impossible to wash without taking the car apart. In my case, because I had to drive my car home, enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.
Yea they do stink, a lot (ever hit a deer, your car will stink for at least a year)....But, an animal of that size (essentially an animal that is big enough to act as a mount for a human) would probably retain enough warmth to keep a person (inside of it...yuck) at a decent temperature for 4-5 hours.
In any case M$ marketing is about as biased as they come. You think they should have a privileged position?
Every marketing department is "as biased as they come". As for privileged position - actually they are in a privileged position right now - they are forced to release their code....World of Warcraft is not forced to do this, neither is Counter Strike, or any other closed source company that I am aware of
Your comparison is meaningless. Google is not an entrenched monopoly
I wasn't comparing, I was trying to get you to think a little different since you are biased against M$. Obviously you are not capable of doing this.
Where, other than purely artificial law, does it say that group X is allowed to keep secrets from group Y?
A better question - where does it say group x is NOT allowed to keep secrets from group y?
They have an entrenched desktop monopoly with major structural problems for any potential competition
If someone is unhappy with the product...they can download OSS, format their computer and install the new product. If you don't like it, stop using it and stop supporting the company - otherwise the people who still support MS should STFU.
If you're going to pretend you don't understand that you're probably an M$ marketing sock puppet.
You never completed this sentence...If I am going to pretend I am an MS marketing sock puppet then what?
Again, nonsense. Releasing the source code costs nothing. It's all copyrighted, nobody can take their work
That is complete nonsense and you knowit. With the source code out there it becomes that much more easier to hack their stuff. Plus they might just have innovative code in there that gives them an edge in some way (like Google's search algorithms, which is one of the reasons Google delayed going public).
Yes. It means that they're obeying the technicality but not the spirit of the ruling.
This cost will will lock out large sections of society who want to interroperate in various unforeseen ways.
The reality is increasing the monetary (or reverse engineering) cost of anything has, in the limit, exactly the same effect as a legal ban.
Though European law now says M$ can no longer block interroperability M$ is still trying to use the technical, monetary and legal tricks it's used for decades to block a free, open and competitive market. Rather than competing on product and price.
Try and think without your anti Microsoft biasness. Try and imagine if this was google forced to give up their secrets.
Where, other then pure artificial law, does it say group X has to give group Y their secrets? If MS doesn't want to give up their secrets, and thusly have a "worse" product for it - that is their problem. Again, who says you have to buy it?
Also, Windows has been interoperable for years without them having to release their source code. Otherwise, how else would we use non-MS products with Windows?
And nobody seems to care about the legitimate concerns of the source code being released (illegally) to the masses. Which as more groups get a hold of the source code it is more likely to be released (voluntarily or involuntarily)
Well, the fact that they're forcing third parties to sell their software with machines preinstalled, (well, maybe not forcing, but still, there's strong-arming going on) And the shitty interoperability is elements of a monopoly.
I don't know about you, but if it walks like a duck..
And the third parties are obligated why? Is there a gun put to their head? They can sell whatever they want - the third parties just realize it is a boon to their bottom line to sell MS products. The third parties chose to do it...nothing is stopping them from putting free Linux on their machines...except there isn't that big a market share for Linux as their is Windows.
Again, it is not a monopoly - a monopoly by definition is ONE and there is more then one OS company out there.
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Hey, they did it to MS and now they are doing it to Apple. Now I want to see all you MS naysayers jumping on Apple's back. Cause you know, half the people who argue with me about MS being a monopoly always say "But the gov't ruled they were a monopoly, so there"...like the gov't knows it's face from its ass.
Apple iPOD/iTunes is not a monopoly because there are OTHER options (Napster music download for one, other MP3 players like Rio,Sony, take your pick). The same thing with MS - they are not a monopoly because there are OTHER options.
I'd offer up organs for a lot of things, this just happens to NOT be one of them. Maybe for a Lamborghini, a mansion, some super-model to love me and hold me and squeeze me - but yea, not a touch screen.
Now if we were talking true VR (think matrix) then yea they could have my organs.
Brian Cooley, Editor at Large, CNET 9-inch amber monitor (using a TV as a monitor made the thing feel like a toy). Unlike most C64 users, I couldn't care less about gaming; :)...well once you were in the program.
My first machine was a Commodore 64 (got it in the 1988 about). It had a color monitor and my dad bought it for me at, dum da da dum, Toys R Us. I got with it a cool tank simulator game (where you could play a Bradly, M1-A1 Abrams, and a few others...though non of them were worth it as they sucked). And I also got Apollo 13 and Apache Longbow Simulator....I also got a wicked word processing program that was something version 6.0....my friend have 5.1 which did not have a menuing system, but mine was a gui system
I hate to tell you this, but in this day and age (and for many years) ALL employees who are not generating direct revenue are liabilities. As a non-revenue generating employee you are nothing but a cost-of-doing business. You may be an invaluable liability - with a skill that few have or can outperform, but you are still a liability. Any other thinking is just plain wrong and wishful thinking on your part.
Because these 'tard companies always bitch about employees not being loyal to the company - except the employees are not loyal because they want to change jobs every 2-3 years, they are not loyal because companies treat them like dogshit. They give medeiocre raises (cost of living sound familiar), work their employees insane hours, not much in the way of appreciation (actually money is the only real form of appreciation imho) oh and the CEOs are still raking in MILLIONS/year! Defend the corporates all you like - they are bunch of assholes. This is the reason why unions were made - unfortunately, white collars don't typically get unions.
I never mentioned legalities, where did this come up (someone else mentioned it). I know they are not doing anything illegal.
You know, I was just about to say that. Damn, what a bunch of fucktards. I can understand if they lay people off and then merge with a company or get bought out - but to buy another product? How irresponsible. As I said to a friend of mine last week - in this day and age employees are treated like liabilities not assets. As the saying goes "If you are not in sales, then you're overhead"
Sorry, no, according to this you do not exist. Go back you foul demon, back I say!!!!
Robots are great if all you want to do is collect soil samples and take photos, but to really get the feel of a place, to perform real experiments in that environment - nothing, currently, is better then sending up an astronaut. More expensive yea - but face it, the price NASA pays is insanely high and that is the fault of our government. Space exploration could be much cheaper and safer but our government loves getting ripped off. Also, astronauts are not forced to go into space - they are selected (a very difficult process). Each astronaut knows any trip to space may be the last thing they do - they know the risks, and they accept them - willingly. If I had the brains, connections, etc I would love to be an astronaut - even at the current risk level.
I do not mind if they edit obvious mistakes (i.e. Wiki says the person voted Yay on a topic when he actually voted Nay, or the persons college GPA is incorrect, etc.) Facts are fine, anything else should not be touched by people with vested interests - in this case the person the article is referring to, their employees, or family.
You are 100% correct, they are not allowed to work together which is collusion - and as such they are working together. But they are also rich as hell, so they can bend the laws to their favor. Let us hope the other guys - who in this fight are the good guys - will fight for us (and themselves)
First time in my life, except maybe when i was like 10 years old and younger that I have skipped the state of the union...and only because i can't tolerate to listen to him anymore.
Here is an interesting excerpt on the forth paragraph "In a system of two parties"
As every independent party member out there is like "huh, are we out of a group now?" Mind you I am a Democrat, but come on, even I don't alienate the Green party...I may think they are retards (joking for the impaire) but I realize they exist...and so do the other parties.
You know, now that I've posted that and realise just how small I really am in the financial world... If you'll excuse me I think I need to go ... do ... something.
Don't quite know what yet but snorting cocaine is climbing up the list quite quickly...
hmmm....
/. And for a person who does not do anything more then drink alcohol, that is saying a lot. Man, it makes me wish I could do something like save Bill's life...then when he rewards me I could retire :) If you were the richest man in the world, someone just saved your life - would giving 5 mil be that bad? :)
Yea, I think this is the most sensible post I have ever seen on
Do you REALLY want the IRS to use the latest and greatest technology with all of it's bugs? it is the same thing with NASA. They don't use the latest processors (I believe I read a long time ago on /. they use PIIs) because they want proven technology. This is one case where I am happy with our gov't using old technology...hell the gov't can't seem to get voting ballot machines to work correctly, it's amazing they got services like the IRS to work.
Yea, and Bill gates pays more taxes in one year then you and me earn in ten years. Talk about putting things into perspective.... Oh and my numbers are probably very very conservative.
I highly doubt it. Billy may be the richest man in the world, but the IRS - frequently - deals with large numbers ranging in the billions and trillions. Considering the IRS does consolidation reports to report to their bosses - so their bosses can say "This year, Americans earned XYZ dollars". Billy G is a drop in the hat...yea larger then what we put in the hat...by an insane amount....but still a drop in the bucket.
Crickey, how fast were you going? :)
LOL. I was doing about 60...the people slightly in front and in the right lane hit the deer and it bounced off their car and i drove over the reindeer. Luckily the damage was not that extensive (needed a new bumper for a Ford Tauras which is made from plastic)...but the smell, good god the smell. Freezing or burying myself in an animal for warmth would be a tough call, a really tough call.
Of course you could always try washing it...
The deer guts manages to find itself into various areas that is near impossible to wash without taking the car apart. In my case, because I had to drive my car home, enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.
Yea they do stink, a lot (ever hit a deer, your car will stink for at least a year)....But, an animal of that size (essentially an animal that is big enough to act as a mount for a human) would probably retain enough warmth to keep a person (inside of it...yuck) at a decent temperature for 4-5 hours.
from crackberry-addicted
:)
This is just the first time I have ever heard someone use the term "crackberry" other then my friend and myself...Thank god
Try to think without your pro-M$ zealotry
I'm a zealot about $, not M$
In any case M$ marketing is about as biased as they come. You think they should have a privileged position?
Every marketing department is "as biased as they come". As for privileged position - actually they are in a privileged position right now - they are forced to release their code....World of Warcraft is not forced to do this, neither is Counter Strike, or any other closed source company that I am aware of
Your comparison is meaningless. Google is not an entrenched monopoly
I wasn't comparing, I was trying to get you to think a little different since you are biased against M$. Obviously you are not capable of doing this.
Where, other than purely artificial law, does it say that group X is allowed to keep secrets from group Y?
A better question - where does it say group x is NOT allowed to keep secrets from group y?
They have an entrenched desktop monopoly with major structural problems for any potential competition
If someone is unhappy with the product...they can download OSS, format their computer and install the new product. If you don't like it, stop using it and stop supporting the company - otherwise the people who still support MS should STFU.
If you're going to pretend you don't understand that you're probably an M$ marketing sock puppet.
You never completed this sentence...If I am going to pretend I am an MS marketing sock puppet then what?
Again, nonsense. Releasing the source code costs nothing. It's all copyrighted, nobody can take their work
That is complete nonsense and you knowit. With the source code out there it becomes that much more easier to hack their stuff. Plus they might just have innovative code in there that gives them an edge in some way (like Google's search algorithms, which is one of the reasons Google delayed going public).
Yes. It means that they're obeying the technicality but not the spirit of the ruling. This cost will will lock out large sections of society who want to interroperate in various unforeseen ways. The reality is increasing the monetary (or reverse engineering) cost of anything has, in the limit, exactly the same effect as a legal ban. Though European law now says M$ can no longer block interroperability M$ is still trying to use the technical, monetary and legal tricks it's used for decades to block a free, open and competitive market. Rather than competing on product and price.
Try and think without your anti Microsoft biasness. Try and imagine if this was google forced to give up their secrets.
Where, other then pure artificial law, does it say group X has to give group Y their secrets? If MS doesn't want to give up their secrets, and thusly have a "worse" product for it - that is their problem. Again, who says you have to buy it?
Also, Windows has been interoperable for years without them having to release their source code. Otherwise, how else would we use non-MS products with Windows?
And nobody seems to care about the legitimate concerns of the source code being released (illegally) to the masses. Which as more groups get a hold of the source code it is more likely to be released (voluntarily or involuntarily)
Yes, this planet is definitly not Menshara class.
Sounds like Slashdot to me.
Well, the fact that they're forcing third parties to sell their software with machines preinstalled, (well, maybe not forcing, but still, there's strong-arming going on) And the shitty interoperability is elements of a monopoly. I don't know about you, but if it walks like a duck..
And the third parties are obligated why? Is there a gun put to their head? They can sell whatever they want - the third parties just realize it is a boon to their bottom line to sell MS products. The third parties chose to do it...nothing is stopping them from putting free Linux on their machines...except there isn't that big a market share for Linux as their is Windows.
Again, it is not a monopoly - a monopoly by definition is ONE and there is more then one OS company out there.