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Putting Star Wars to the MythBusters Test

DangerTenor writes "The cast of the show MythBusters chat about their pasts with ILM, talk about some Star Wars myths (Can you avoid freezing to death in a blizzard overnight by gutting a dead animal like a tauntaun and getting into its carcass?) and why R2-D2 is the perfect sidekick." Not as cool as our interview, but pretty neat.

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  1. That Tauntaun thing... by cnelzie · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...wasn't how they survived the entire evening. It was just to keep Luke warm while Han built the shelter... Geeze.

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    1. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right on. And Luke falling from the AT-AT, well, if you read the novelized version (written by Lucas), it explains that Luke didn't walk away from that unscathed, even though he tried using the Force to slow his fall.

      Star Wars geeks unite!

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    2. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by nbert · · Score: 1

      Exactly my thought. However, I'm wondering how they could imitate this kind of situation. Afterall there's no chance they'll kill some animal in some cold place and put one of their interns in it over night. That would be pretty cruel taking into account that it's just done "to be sure"...

    3. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by IAAP · · Score: 5, Funny
      Afterall there's no chance they'll kill some animal in some cold place and put one of their interns in it over night. That would be pretty cruel taking into account that it's just done "to be sure"...

      You mean would be cruel to the animal. The intern, on the other hand, well, they're interns!

    4. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by nbert · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned about the animal. We kill them for food, but usually we don't do it for entertainment. On the other hand I don't want to be the one sleeping in a bleeding corpse at all, but as you said, those are just interns ;)

    5. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by dfn5 · · Score: 1
      Afterall there's no chance they'll kill some animal in some cold place and put one of their interns in it over night.

      Why Not? They killed a whole bunch of bees all in the name of science.

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    6. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by zephc · · Score: 2, Funny

      "We'll cut it open to keep you alive, Luke"
      "Uhh, Han, we're on Tatooine, and that's a Gungan"
      "Exactly!"

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    7. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't I read that the pygmies used to do that with elephants. Although how cold could it get in da jungle....

    8. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Fishstick · · Score: 3, Informative

      >those are just interns

      They've elevated the others on the show this season. They used to be referred to as "the build team" or "Myth-terns", but they get billing as "MythBusters" the same as Adam and Jamie this season.

      I don't think you're going to get Kari to crawl inside an animal carcas (she's a veggie). She could hardly stand it when they brought back a pig neck/spine with meat still on it to use inside a ballistics gel model.

      The other thing is they seem to do is go out of their way to get animals that have died on the farm of "natural causes" as opposed to going to a slaughterhouse and carting away a freshly-killed carcass. I kind of doubt they are going to go get a horse or cow and kill it for a myth like this.

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    9. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who grew up hunting and skinned many a deer and elk I can say that the insides will stay rather warm for quite some time. While bow hunting you often have to track an animal the next morning because a bow wont kill it right away. While I think Hoth was suppose to be something like -60 or more I know that an Elk will hold heat for well over 12 hours in 0-10degree weather.

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    10. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by nbert · · Score: 1

      ...because it was assumed that there was some practical use to it. But if you do the same because you are interested if some Star Wars plot is "realistic" you are just doing it for entertainment, because there's no real life use to it (not taking the 0.00001% probability into account, that you get lost in some arctic region and manage to kill a deer right before you are close to freezing).

      Personally I don't care much about bees, but they are cold blooded anyways and they are way too small to fit anything inside it after all...

    11. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh and for the record, the Tuantaun spit at Han first.

    12. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is that where the term "Luke Warm" comes from?

    13. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by TekPolitik · · Score: 2, Insightful
      We kill them for food, but usually we don't do it for entertainment.

      They do in Spain

    14. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      They killed a whole bunch of bees all in the name of science.

      No, *THAT* was a revenge killing for what happened at grandma's that one summer.

      -Eric

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    15. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 1
      Personally I don't care much about bees, but they are cold blooded anyways and they are way too small to fit anything inside it after all...
      Not exactly cold blooded--they do practice thermoregulation on a per-hive basis. When it's hot, they ventilate (by using some bees as stationary fans), and when it's cold, they form a bee ball. Sorry not to find a geekier site than "Ask Dr. Universe" . . . .

      As for being too small, here's a link to a report about them killing attacking hornets by surrounding them and raising the temperature to around 45 C (that's 113 in bee degrees, which coincidentally happens to be the same as degrees F).

    16. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by nbert · · Score: 1

      That's why I put the word usually in my post. Btw: I've seen various bull fights live recently, having spend two months in Spain last year. Don't get me wrong, I'm always for the bull, but the way I see it it's a unique exception to the rule and there's nothing justifying the same exception for a popular TV show.
      And if you prefer more comon reason: Many of us have had the "pleasure" to use a magnifier against animals in the garden at bright sunlight when we were kids. But no one with a sane mind would suggest using giant magnifiers against cows, even though it might be entertaining. The bull fights in Spain are a differnt issue, but in general it's not a good justification to do anything just because it has been done before...

    17. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The scene with the gutted animal was probably inspired by the swedish movie Utvandrarna/The Emigrants, in which the main character (a 19:th century swedish farmer who emigrated to America) saves the life of his son when they are caught in a blizzard by killing his only oxe and sheltering his sons body in the carcas.

    18. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by mikek3332002 · · Score: 1

      umm Gungans are from Naboo, not Tatooine. You probablem ment jawas or sandpeople

    19. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by 3263827 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Lucas didn't write The Empire Strikes Back. Donald Glut did.

    20. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, i meant Gungan. Probably not many on that Tatooine, but I didn't imply it necessarily had to be a native species.

    21. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by blazer1024 · · Score: 1

      "No one with a sane mind would suggest using giant magnifiers against cows, even though it might be entertaining."

      Are you saying I don't have a sane mind?

    22. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by InsaneLampshade · · Score: 1

      "We kill them for food, but usually we don't do it for entertainment."

      Well lets start doing it then! TV's been pretty boring recently.

    23. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It's okay to kill animals that aren't cute, for any reason. For example, the Almiqui, this mole, the opossum, and most toads. You won't see any of those on the PETA website. All bugs fall into the ugly category (except butterflies.. awwww), so it's fine to kill them.

    24. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i read somewhere that soldiers in naopleon's army cut open horses to
      stay warm in during the retreat from moscow.

    25. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by masdog · · Score: 1

      According to IMDB, Lucas did the story.

    26. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 0

      My mistake, I was thinking of ANH. You're correct. Either way, the comment stands.

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    27. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "While bow hunting you often have to track an animal the next morning because a bow wont kill it right away.

      That's why experienced hunters let the ARROW do the killing.

    28. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I know someone (a Scandanvian) who was drafted into the German Army toward the end of WWII and spent a winter night in a horse carcass on the Russia Front. He's still alive today.

    29. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call Bullshit! (Unless you met him at bandcamp?)

    30. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just a little tip mate. All large mammals are very similar in basic construction. This is due to a little thing called evolution. They all have the same pain neurotransmitters and physiological structures to sense pain. This means that there is a rather high likelyhood that when you shoot an arrow into an Elk the feeling the elk gets when the arrow pierces it's flesh is pretty damn similar to shooting an arrow into a HUMAN. Think about that for a second you fucken moron. All biological studies suggest that the Elk could feel pain in an extremely similar fashion and intensity to a HUMAN. This is scientifically backed knowledge not some hippy emotional bullshit. Would you shoot a human with an arrow and let them die over a 12 hour period? Have some compassion and empathy for fucks sake. Goddamn.

    31. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by CthulhuDreamer · · Score: 1

      "...no one with a sane mind would suggest using giant magnifiers against cows..."

      I, for one, think this would be seriously cool. I can just see 2000 pounds of pissed-off steer with a singed butt chasing someone around the arena (and the 85-pound magnifying glass is bound to be slowing our contestant down).

    32. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So not only does it keep you alive overnight, it increases your total life expectancy? I gotta find me a dead horse.

    33. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      I don't know, are humans tasty?

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    34. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 1

      Well, I think you're wrong. I wasn't a bow-hunter, but I was a member of an archery club with a bunch of them, and I have looked into the subject of pain a bit.

      In general, the wound path through an animal shot with a razor sharp broadhead tends to cause very little gross physical trauma - hunters are trained to hit the animal in the broadside upper chest, and to attempt to penetrate the heart and lungs. The arrow tends to slice cleanly through tissue and arteries, with many animals, especially pigs, going back to whatever they were doing ( e.g. drinking, eating ) until bloodloss overtakes them and they collapse. Some years ago, Remington ( iirc ) attempted to introduce a spinning, tearing head that would cause gross physical trauma to the animal, accelerating the death from blood loss, but the invention failed to take off due to concerns about animal cruelty.

      I don't necessarily approve ( after all, hunters occasionally screw up and strike bone or what-have-you ), but I don't think the pain in question is as great as it might seem at first blush. The hunters I met and practiced with seemed decent people, and concerned about the environment and it's inhabitants. That's my two cents, anyway.

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    35. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I fell over dead from being to cold (like the Tauntaun), why would my insides be warm at all. It seems like having no inner heat left would be the reason I fell over dead in the first place.

    36. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Surely the intuitive thing to believe is that getting an arrow forced through your internal organs has a good chance of causing a hell of a lot of pain. Taking 12 hours to die from having an arrow piercing your internal organs seems like it has a reasonable chance of causing prolonged and intense suffering.

    37. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Robber+Baron · · Score: 1

      are humans tasty?

      Mmmmmm...long pig...the "other" other white meat!

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    38. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by LarsWestergren · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While bow hunting you often have to track an animal the next morning because a bow wont kill it right away.

      In Sweden, bow hunting is illegal as it constitutes animal cruelty and doing it could land you in jail.

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    39. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll tell ya what, next cheese burger I eat, I'll pray for its soul first....Cruelty to animals is taking them as pets and then not feeding them. Quick reality check, death hurts...Maybe Morphine coded broad points?

    40. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Himring · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While bow hunting you often have to track an animal the next morning because a bow wont kill it right away.

      I grew up deer hunting with my dad. Any bad shot from a bow and arrow or a gun will cause you to need to track the animal. It's not the weapon per se, it's the shot, where you hit it, etc. A gut shot will most likely cause the animal to live for some time and enable it to run far from the site -- no matter what the weapon. A chest shot, the lungs or especially the heart, will usually drop it within yards of where it was hit. My dad actually kept in a spare freezer several hearts wherein there was the distinctive "X" from the razor tipped arrow where he made those excellent shots. But, one thing that amazed me is the sheer will to live of these animals. I've seen deer run a dozen yards with even a shot through the heart -- not always. They are powerful creatures far tougher than humans. It always made me realize how frail and weak we truly are. In our natural state we would surely die in the wilderness. We have no hair for warmth, we can't really defend ourselves against an animal even half our size and our nails and teeth are fairly unimpressive. Anyhow....

      I do not hunt anymore, and have no desire to kill anything. I have contemplated going hunting, doing all the things my dad taught me to find and locate prey, and then using a camera. I am not against hunters. I believe in conservation even though, as my sig shows, someone thought I want to kill baby seals....

      I digress. My dad was an old-world kinda guy, and always taught me to respect the wilderness. He showed me how logging was destroying the forests where we hunted -- as a matter of fact, the mountain where generations of the men in my family hunted is now bare. We hiked and explored much of the mountains in the area -- the Appalachians. People really don't realize what logging companies are doing. My dad always respected the animals and after each kill would discuss with me how Native Americans respected their prey and apologized to it as a brother. He would kiss each deer on the nose afterwards -- yea, maybe campy, but that's how he was. He was a true survivalist/outdoorsman. Me? I prefer my cable tv, computer and sweats....

      K, digressing for real, and I apologize for all of this off topic drivel....

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    41. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure I totally agree - the majority of pain sensing nerves are apparently out on the skin. However, I think we both agree it would be less painful not to shoot the animal in the first place.

    42. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Cat_Byte · · Score: 1

      So is this site a joke? Bow Hunting
      Swedish Bowhunting Association, The
      www.home.swipnet.se/sbjf
      Well actually it says I'm not authorized to view the page so I'm not sure. I found it on yahoo user groups though.

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    43. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by corvenus · · Score: 1

      Gives a whole new meaning to the word "Intern"...

    44. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by coyote_oww · · Score: 1

      Cutting open any Gungan is an improvement to the universe and worthy of praise. Even if it doesn't save Luke.

    45. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what good could it be to feel empathy for animals. Empathy for humans servers a social purpose, for sure, but let's face it: I am not a deer, so I don't give a fuck about how a deer feels.

    46. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Unless you count hunger pain.

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    47. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It's okay to kill animals that aren't cute, for any reason. For example, the Almiqui, this mole, the opossum, and most toads. You won't see any of those on the PETA website. All bugs fall into the ugly category (except butterflies.. awwww), so it's fine to kill them.

      Unless it's a japanese-drawn hentai picture of a beegirl. That was cute. Disturbing, but cute. Proves that all that bees need is better PR department ;).

      Not quite as disturbing as the zombie porn pictures, thought...

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    48. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by malejko · · Score: 1

      She's a veggie?! Crap.. there go my hopes and dreams.

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    49. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Kombat · · Score: 1

      My dad actually kept in a spare freezer several hearts wherein there was the distinctive "X" from the razor tipped arrow where he made those excellent shots.

      That's not normal. I'd keep an eye on your dad, if I were you.

      He showed me how logging was destroying the forests where we hunted. People really don't realize what logging companies are doing.

      Yes, it's really terrible how people are cutting down all the trees, making it so people like your dad can't go in and kill all the animals anymore. What a shame. I mean, killing poor defenseless animals for fun is one thing, but what kind of nature-hating barbarian cuts down trees?

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    50. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't know what good could it be to feel empathy for animals. Empathy for humans servers a social purpose, for sure, but let's face it: I am not a deer, so I don't give a fuck about how a deer feels.


      You are not another human either. Do you give a fuck about what another human feels?
    51. Re:That Tauntaun thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are truly a dumbshit. Take a long walk off a short pier.

      Sincerely,
      Not Parent, who seems genteel enough or smart enough to ignore your stupidity.

  2. Starwars and the crew by HeliumHigh · · Score: 1

    Wow, I would _not_ want to see what Jamie and Adam would do if they had lightsabers. Just imagine the practical jokes!

    1. Re:Starwars and the crew by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Funny

      Practical jokes? I'm thinking the SW angle is an excuse to get Kari into a slave Leia outfit.

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    2. Re:Starwars and the crew by RancidMilk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I kind of like this article on howstuffworks.com, on how light sabers work: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lightsaber5.h tm This is the page on practical uses of the light saber around the home.

    3. Re:Starwars and the crew by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Just think of the possibilities for kancho... >_>

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    4. Re:Starwars and the crew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha, I love it that this is modded insightful.

    5. Re:Starwars and the crew by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      What annoys me about lightsabers is this:

      At some point early on, when the writer didn't know much about lasers, he got the idea for laser swords. Ok, fine, I get that. No problem.

      But later on, when he had time to think about it, and had probably had the whole "lasers are just light, therefore ephemeral" thing pointed out a few hundred times by well-meaning fans, he could have re-thought the idea and come up with an explanation that actually made sense.

      Instead, Lucas et al came up with the concept of a laser beam focused through some special crystal. Uh huh. Yeeeeaaah. Good idea, George.

      All he would have had to do was say "Lightsabers are actually plasma weapons, which guide the plasma using a powerful magnetic field emitted at the end of the lightsaber. This is why lightsabers bounce off each other." Or maybe claim that they are actually very small hyperspace generators which curve space in such a way that it superheats and generates a magnetic field. It's so easy to come up with a plausible explanation that doesn't involve lasers.

      It's like they couldn't be bothered to make their technology believable.

      And what about "midichloreans"??? Here's a better explanation for the force: "People are actually three dimensional cross-sections of ten-dimensional beings, and some of us have more of a connection to our larger selves than others. If our connection to our higher-dimensional component is particularly strong, we can actually affect reality in higher dimensions, with effects in this one that appear supernatural." See how easy it is? I just pulled that right out of my butt, and it's better than midichloreans.

      Sheesh.

    6. Re:Starwars and the crew by 1337W422102 · · Score: 1

      Giggiddy giggiddy, giggiddy goo. You must have Force powers, buddy: you read my mind.

    7. Re:Starwars and the crew by bogomipz · · Score: 1

      Yeah, reheating coffee - that just has to be what this practical tool was *really* invented for.

    8. Re:Starwars and the crew by mockchoi · · Score: 1

      I wish I knew if you are being serious or not. If you're not, I think you're hilarious. If you are, I think you're frightening.

    9. Re:Starwars and the crew by virg_mattes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > Instead, Lucas et al came up with the concept of a laser beam focused through some special crystal. Uh huh. Yeeeeaaah. Good idea, George.

      Funny you can pull something out of your butt and label it "better" than something pulled out of someone else's butt. OK, then my take is that firing a laser beam through this special crystal causes a plasma, EM or gravitic reaction in the crystal that creates the energy field we see as the "blade". That works just fine, eh?

      > And what about "midichloreans"???

      I like to look at midichloreans as a kind of "18th century elements" view of the Force. Back in Earth's past, scientists believed that there were only four elements, those being earth, air, fire and water. Drilling a hole produced heat, they said, by releasing the fire element from the material. It was workable, fit the evidence they had at the time, and turned out to be entirely wrong. The fact that Yoda and Obi-Wan never mentioned midichloreans to Luke late in their lives seems to indicate that they discovered that this view of the Force was incorrect, and therefore they rejected it, but in the old Republic's Jedi heyday, it was a popular theory.

      Virg

    10. Re:Starwars and the crew by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      Kari is not all that sexually attractive...pretty in an overly girly way, yes. Hot, no. Scotty, despite the body modifications, was hot. THAT's a real babe (plus she actually has breasts).

    11. Re:Starwars and the crew by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Heh heh... Actually, I'm kidding around, BUT, also trying to make a valid point about the writing.

    12. Re:Starwars and the crew by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the force is stronger in my butt than in George's. :)

      Your lightsaber explanation is closer to mine than the Star Wars one. The point we both have in common is that the sword is not a LASER SWORD, it's using something more believable like a plasma or charged particle effect, something that actually doesn't violate physics. Your idea and mine are relatively compatible. The point is that LASERS don't hiss and crackle, they don't bounce off each other, and they can't be focused so they only reach a finite length. They just can't. Period. The plasma, charged particle, or weird gravity effect explanations work a whole lot better.

      Your defense of midichloreans seems to be "Well... It was just a theory that these jedi had, because even though they had starships, medical robots, advanced physics and the ability to travel faster than light, they couldn't figure out something like telekinesis so they had to guess." Isn't that about right? Your astonishing powers of debate have humbled me. Here is a delicious cookie.

      Anyway, don't take my criticism of the goofy Star Wars universe so seriously. It's a goofy bunch of movies that didn't spend too much time on making the technology realistic. People didn't see Star Wars to watch 2001, they went to see goofy shit and explosions in space. Laugh at it, it's funny.

    13. Re:Starwars and the crew by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > Your defense of midichloreans seems to be "Well... It was just a theory that these jedi had, because even though they had starships, medical robots, advanced physics and the ability to travel faster than light, they couldn't figure out something like telekinesis so they had to guess."

      Try something more along the lines of mistaken causality, if it's important. Perhaps midichloreans are an effect of Force sensitivity, not a cause, but there's no way to know that if you never encounter one without the other. Besides, the Jedi (and the Sith) were more a religious order than a secular scientific group, and were demonstrably full of themselves. Remember the comment the librarian made about Camino? And consider the fact that a bunch of Jedi talked about Anakin bringing balance to the Force and yet none of them did a head count and thought about what "bringing balance" meant to a world with hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith. It's not hard to consider that they considered midichloreans a "dogma" and therefore never really questioned it, but when the Jedi were reduced to just Yoda and Obi-Wan, those two came to reanalyze what they'd learned in the face of the near elimination of the old order.

      > Anyway, don't take my criticism of the goofy Star Wars universe so seriously. It's a goofy bunch of movies that didn't spend too much time on making the technology realistic.

      I wholly agree, but it's fun to debate Moot points. It's good mental exercise.

      Virg

    14. Re:Starwars and the crew by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Good point! And it IS fun to debate moot points. Ok, along those lines,

      I see where you're going with the "jedi as religious/nonscientific types" concept... Ok, I'll buy that. But I liked the first three movies much better than their prequels, because in those, Lucas never tried to explain the force, and allowed it to be a supernatural thing. In doing so, he gave the first three movies a nice, mythical air which I found enjoyable (even if I felt the whole "laser sword" thing was bogus -- along with the blasters whose shots glowed red and seemed to travel slower than rifle shots).

      In the prequels, he tried to get all scientific, without making an effort to make the science plausible, which was just irritating. And NOBODY liked Jar-Jar.

      Say, while we're discussing moot points, let's talk about the voices: what's up with making all the bad Sith and Empire officers British (except Darth Vader, who had a Nazi helmet -- on that note, all the Empire uniforms were kind of nazi-ish), all the Army of the Republic stormtroopers Kiwis, all the 2nd generation stormtroopers American cops (did they get a new clone model???), all the rebels American midwesterners, all the bad aliens asian, and all the good Gungans Rastas??? There's something really bizarre going on in Lucasarts, I think.

    15. Re:Starwars and the crew by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > In the prequels, he tried to get all scientific, without making an effort to make the science plausible, which was just irritating. And NOBODY liked Jar-Jar.

      An argument can be made that the old order tried to "scientificate" their religion, whereas by the time of the Rebellion they had moved to simply accepting the mystical nature of the Force. It would be a weak argument, but I'll take what I can get. And I liked Jar-Jar, as a character. Some of the things that Mr. Lucas made him do were annoying, but that's no different than the annoying things he made other characters do, like forcing Han Solo to try to go romantic, or making Hayden Christensen speak when he was on screen.

      > Say, while we're discussing moot points, let's talk about the voices: what's up with making all the bad Sith and Empire officers British (except Darth Vader, who had a Nazi helmet -- on that note, all the Empire uniforms were kind of nazi-ish)...

      George hired a lot of British actors (Sir Alec Guiness wasn't Empire) so it stands to reason that they'd fill a lot of those roles. The uniforms were just a well-used method for generating dislike in the viewer by making it easy to associate the Empire with the SS. It was actually well done, as an atmosphere-builder.

      > ...all the Army of the Republic stormtroopers Kiwis...

      They were all one guy, gov.

      > ...all the 2nd generation stormtroopers American cops (did they get a new clone model???)

      By the time the Rebellion had begun, they weren't the original clones any more, and there's no mention nor reason to believe that they're clones at all. Remember that both Luke and Biggs wanted to become pilots at the Imperial Academy, and it's reasonable to assume they'd have been issued Stormtrooper uniforms if they'd been accepted. So, the Rebellion-era Stormtroopers were most likely just soldiers, not clones.

      > ...all the rebels American midwesterners...

      Like Lando Calrissian, or Admiral Akbar, or perhaps Chewbacca?

      > ...all the bad aliens asian

      Jabba the Hut wasn't Asian. Nor was Greedo or General Grievous.

      > ...and all the good Gungans Rastas???

      All of the Gungans spoke with a Rastafarian accent.

      > There's something really bizarre going on in Lucasarts, I think.

      Mee-sah tinkin' dey's a bit a prejudice in da viewah, hey?

      Virg

    16. Re:Starwars and the crew by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      Ok, ok, the aliens you mentioned that weren't asian were all from the original three movies. I liked those more than the more recent set.

      Good points on the stormtroopers...

      Ok, I yield. :)

    17. Re:Starwars and the crew by NRP128 · · Score: 1

      The saddest part is that i agree with him...he has valid points and his suggestions make a whole lot of sense as far as physics goes...

  3. Uh...Guh...^H^H^H^H... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not as cool as our interview, but pretty neat.


    That Tauntaun thing...wasn't how they survived the entire evening. It was just to keep Luke warm while Han built the shelter... Geeze.


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  4. The Real Myth by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does talking backward smarter make you sound? Hmmmmm?

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    1. Re:The Real Myth by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 1

      Not smarter. Wiser.

      Everyone knows Intelligence and Wisdom are different.

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    2. Re:The Real Myth by Kesch · · Score: 1

      I agree with parent.

      See right here on my character sheet. Here's the spot for Wisdom, and here's the spot for Intelligence. (I'm a Level 1 Monkey Coder FYI, but I plan to class into Killer Ninja at some point as well. Cookies for those who get the reference.)

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    3. Re:The Real Myth by Jerf · · Score: 1

      .oN

    4. Re:The Real Myth by XenoRyet · · Score: 1
      I belive killer ninja is a prestige class for coder monkeys, so you won't have to cross-class. Just make sure you meet the requirements...

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    5. Re:The Real Myth by haluness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just an interesting point, Yoda's form of speech actually belongs to a class of languages termed OSV (Object Subject Verb) whereas English is VSO (Verb Subject Object).

      In fact there are real human languages that have OSV order.

      More info at ahref=http://www.akerbeltz.org/beagangaidhlig/gram ar/grammar_VSO.htmrel=url2html-20202http://www.ake rbeltz.org/beagangaidhlig/gramar/grammar_VSO.htm> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_order

    6. Re:The Real Myth by MutantHamster · · Score: 5, Informative
      "English is VSO (Verb Subject Object)."

      No, is not English VSO. Is English SVO. Sound VSO languages retarded.

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    7. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out Derzu Uzala if you want to know more about Yoda :)

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071411/

      No wonder George Lucas was (again) inspired by Akira Kurosawa. Btw, Derzu Uzala was released in 1975 and won an Oscar (best Foreign Language Film), and Staw Wars: Episode V was released 5 years later in 198).

    8. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      proper link VSO and Master Yoda

    9. Re:The Real Myth by TekPolitik · · Score: 3, Informative
      Does talking backward smarter make you sound? Hmmmmm?

      As somebody else mentioned already, some languages have the word ordering Yoda uses. Yoda is based on a blend of Japanese mystics, Samurai and martial-arts masters. Guess what word order is used in Japanese.

    10. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sound VSO languages retarded.

      Anglocentricism++!

    11. Re:The Real Myth by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Some do, but not Japanese which is Subject-Object-Verb: "I Tokyo to go" (Watashi wa Tokyo e iku)

      Yoda is Object-Subject-Verb: "Hoth to You go"

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    12. Re:The Real Myth by Pentavirate · · Score: 1

      VSO (Verb Subject Object)

      Kinda like PostScript.

    13. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe you're looking for the term "goodthink"

    14. Re:The Real Myth by sec · · Score: 1

      Is English VSO when you're asking a question? Yes, I do believe that it is.

      On an unrelated note, I wonder if Soviet Russian was an OVS language...

    15. Re:The Real Myth by ChildeRoland · · Score: 1

      I know I've heard it, but I can not place it. Where's it from?

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    16. Re:The Real Myth by the+phantom · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Russian does not depend upon word order to determine the role of a word in the sentence. Rather, it uses case declensions. Certainly, there is a prefered order (generally, SVO), but word order is generally used for emphasis rather than meaning. For instance, "Ya tjebya lublju" and "Ya lublju tebya" both mean "I love you," though the stress in the first would be on the object (you), and the stress on the second would be on the verb (love). Basically, it is the difference between "I LOVE you" and "I love YOU." xander

    17. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **has the shirt**

    18. Re:The Real Myth by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

      That's interesting - I never knew that about Russian. Sounds a bit like Latin. The endings of the words are critical to understanding the meaning of the sentence. Some writers, like Caesar, wrote fairly straightforward prose, generally in SVO order. But when we moved on to epic poetry, like Vergil's Aeneid, the sentence structure went completely out the window. That was an agonizing semester for me! :-)

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    19. Re:The Real Myth by rkanodia · · Score: 1

      If you re-watch the original movies, you'll see that Yoda doesn't always use weird speech patterns; some of his sentences ("You must unlearn what you have learned") are perfectly normal English. It wasn't until the prequels that Lucas had him speak every single line using his 'Zen master' gimmick.

    20. Re:The Real Myth by Inataysia · · Score: 1

      I don't have a reference for this, nor a corpus of Yoda's speech to compare with, but I believe Yoda-speech is SVO (like English), but with V-bar raising.

      The underlying constituents of this sentence:
      "He kicks you."

      can be labeled:
      "[TP [T-bar [T present-tense] [VP [NP He] [V-bar [V kick] [NP You]]]]]"

      then "he kicks you" is extracted from this by a hierarchy of movement rules. Yoda just has one more rule than English speakers, which causes the V-bar to be raised "higher" than usual.

      i apologize to any syntacticians (sp?) -- while i have a BA in linguistics, IANALinguist.

    21. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have had long arguments with PhDs in Linguistics about whether a language which uses morphological inflections (sound thingys you put on words) to determine the subject/verb/object in a sentence has a "normal" word order. In classical writings, these kinds of inflected languages really didn't have a normal word order, but modern languages with subject/object inflections tend to have a common word order. As one example, Esperanto does this, but Esperanto's normal word order is SVO, even though Dr. Zamenoff didn't specify a word order.

    22. Re:The Real Myth by BreadMan · · Score: 1

      Same with Latin. Word order does not matter, but the verb is usually at the end of a sentence\phrase. How the verb is declenated tells you how it is used. However, like Russian, you can move order around to place emphasis or to alert the reader.

      "I love you" in Latin would be Tu amo (sloppy translation: You I love), but would probably be written\spoken Amo tu. Things can get tricky when trying to figure out what adjectives in a sentence modify if the word ordering is non-standard.

    23. Re:The Real Myth by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      Gaelic is an example of a VSO language, which I think are rarer than SVO or SOV languages although its been a long time since I did any linguistics really. Gaelic is IMHO the most beautiful human language I have heard, although it also has the worst spelling of any language I have read, so perhaps there is a balance...

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    24. Re:The Real Myth by z4r4thu5tr4 · · Score: 1

      According to Fromkin and Rodman, (who list English as SVO, Irish as VSO), "the most frequent word orders in languages of the world are SVO, VSO, and SOV" (p. 532). They list more obscure languages as examples of OVS, OSV, and VOS, and I know that somewhere Larry Trask (historical linguist of Basque) lists these types as exceedingly rare. English is VSO when you ask a question, but the interrogative is a marked case, and the standard sentence form is what the typoligst (linguists who classify languages) would look at first, so it would be more accurate to say that English is a SVO language. As Fromkin and Rodman say, "The correlations between language type and the word order of syntactic categories are preferred word orders, and for the most part are violable tendencies. Different languages follow them to a greater and lesser degree" (p. 533)

    25. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      This would be the perfect place for the following old joke (source: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/96/May/yoda.html ).

      >>Ever wonder if there are others of Yoda's race, and if they speak the same way?
      >Oh, the horror.

      Imagine the yoda-men in the office, around the water cooler.

      Yoda 1: Hello, Bill.
      Yoda 2: Morning, Hank.
      Yoda 1: Finish that proposal, you did?
      Yoda 2: Yes, finally. Quite a chore, it was.
      Yoda 1: That Henderson, he is a slave driver, eh?
      Yoda 2: Yes. To kick his ass I'd like. "There is no try, only do." Asshole he is.

    26. Re:The Real Myth by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      Despite being tonal, Thai as an SVO language was pretty easy to learn for me, but SOV Korean is raking me over the coals and it's enjoying every minute of it, too.

    27. Re:The Real Myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And don't forget that archaic word orderings are still comprehensible to modern English speakers, and are used poetically.

    28. Re:The Real Myth by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Correction: "I love you" in Latin would be "Te Amo," Te being the accusative direct object form of the personal pronoun "Tu," or "You."

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    29. Re:The Real Myth by plover · · Score: 1
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    30. Re:The Real Myth by defile · · Score: 1

      Just an interesting point, Yoda's form of speech actually belongs to a (found in many eastern languages), but I didn't look into it too hard.class of languages termed OSV (Object Subject Verb) whereas English is VSO (Verb Subject Object).

      Essential to Star Wars' success was its introduction of foreign ideas to mainstream Western audiences. ``The force'', a balance between good and evil, Yoda's grammar, etc.

      Since Yoda's grammar was unfamilar, I just assumed he was speaking in SOV, which is found in many eastern languages. *shrug*

  5. Deathstar by damonlab · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does the Deathstar run Linux?

    1. Re:Deathstar by crumshot · · Score: 1

      I take it you didn't see Episode 6. You know that huge ball that went up in flames? Yeah, that was this Star of Death you mention. So to answer your question, no it doesn't run Linux... anymore.

    2. Re:Deathstar by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 5, Funny
      Does the Deathstar run Linux?
      No, but if the rebels had only had an Apple laptop they could have uploaded a virus and bypassed that whole shoot down the cooling vent thing.
    3. Re:Deathstar by bherman · · Score: 1

      No, but it did use those old IBM hard drives. That's why it blew up.

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    4. Re:Deathstar by soft_guy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, it clearly runs Windows.

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    5. Re:Deathstar by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      No, if it ran windows, it wouldn't have that big gaping hole straight to the core that's somewhat easily accessible.

    6. Re:Deathstar by MajinBlayze · · Score: 1

      Clearly not, it only had 1 security hole.

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    7. Re:Deathstar by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 1

      Well since Darth Vader and Bill Gates both belong to the Dark Side. . . no.

    8. Re:Deathstar by goldenorfe · · Score: 5, Funny

      The death star runs Gentoo, which is why they were behind schedule building it.

    9. Re:Deathstar by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      I always thought it ran VMS.

      I don't have a good reason. It just seems like that's what the Empire would use.

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    10. Re:Deathstar by uberjoe · · Score: 1

      No, it had to run windows 95. Nothing else would be so insecure enough. How eles could R2D2 own the network so throughly, that he could shutdown garbage collectors from the docking bay?

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    11. Re:Deathstar by Darby · · Score: 1

      The death star runs Gentoo, which is why they were behind schedule building it.

      Hah!
      I just put gentoo on my brand spanking new Opteron 175 machine last night and a full clean kernel compile took just under 4 minutes. Not that it discounts your joke or anything. I'm just stoked with my new computer ;-)

    12. Re:Deathstar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of--

    13. Re:Deathstar by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Didn't BSD have an ad showing BSD destroying the AT&T Death Star logo? Wouldn't that mean that Death Star used an AT&T version of UNIX?

    14. Re:Deathstar by Master+Ben · · Score: 1

      I think Jeff Goldblum would be a requirement as well.

    15. Re:Deathstar by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 1
      I think Jeff Goldblum would be a requirement as well.
      "Ah, yes, young jed-fly!" Oops. Wrong movie.
    16. Re:Deathstar by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I always thought it ran VMS.

      Deathstar ==> Natural choice for Deathstar operating system. (Note early attempts at commercialization involved use of childish semiotics in advertising in order to conceal Imperial origins).

      Duh.

    17. Re:Deathstar by MrCopilot · · Score: 1
      I always thought it ran VMS. I don't have a good reason. It just seems like that's what the Empire would use.

      Surely they use a combination of Windows Vista XPExtreme and SCO Unix.

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    18. Re:Deathstar by TheUnknownOne · · Score: 1

      I have a proliant named DeathStar running slackware, does that count?

    19. Re:Deathstar by Perey · · Score: 1

      "Many say that DOS is the dark side, but actually UNIX is more like the dark side: It's less likely to find the one way to destroy your incredibly powerful machine, and more likely to make upper management choke." Lore Sjoberg, in the Book of Ratings So it doesn't apply so strictly to Windows and Linux these days. This was a long time ago, in... you know.

    20. Re:Deathstar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the Deathstar runs Windows. Just look at all the unpatched security thermal exhaust holes it has! Once a malicious proton torpedo gets in, the system crashes and / or explodes!

    21. Re:Deathstar by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      No, but if the rebels had only had an Apple laptop they could have uploaded a virus and bypassed that whole shoot down the cooling vent thing.

      That was not the real problem. The Empire was a large government and they obviously went with the cheapest contractor to build the DeathStar.

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    22. Re:Deathstar by linuxpyro · · Score: 1
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    23. Re:Deathstar by aasania · · Score: 1

      I think, given that the death star had a fatal flaw which was easy to exploit, a flaw which the creators (the Empire) apparently couldn't be bothered to fix, it's obvious the death star ran on Windows.

  6. Water cores by slavemowgli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could you pilot a submarine through a planet's core?

    "If it were possible to have a water core at the center of a planet, then perhaps, but the pressures would be significant," Imahara explains. "That would have to be some submarine."

    "Would the inside of a planet be water?" Savage asks. "I don't think so."

    Indeed, the pressure *would* be significant, and the water would either be in a solid or supercritical liquid phase - it'd be pretty unlikely that you'd find it possible to drive a submarine through it in either case, though, even if the submarine itself would be constructed to withstand the pressure and temperature at the core.

    Of course, IANAP, though, so YMMV.

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    1. Re:Water cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


      Could you pilot a submarine through a planet's core?

      "If it were possible to have a water core at the center of a planet, then perhaps, but the pressures would be significant," Imahara explains. "That would have to be some submarine."


      The canopy to the submarine was an energy force field.

      When the sub lost power, the canopy force field would have shut down (along with everything else), drowning the occupants.

    2. Re:Water cores by andrew_j_w · · Score: 1

      I guess that's literally YMMV...

    3. Re:Water cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing we're not talking about Science Fiction .

    4. Re:Water cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the planet wasn't as big as earth it would be easier. If the submarine didn't need to hold people in a gas environment it would be easier. Hell a submarine made out of lead should be able to get to the centre pretty easily, it's just getting back out that would be the hard part.

    5. Re:Water cores by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Good thing we're not talking about Myth Busters , either...

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    6. Re:Water cores by benwb · · Score: 1

      You realize that when you apply pressure to ice it melts?

    7. Re:Water cores by XenoRyet · · Score: 1
      The canopy force feild was clearly on a redundant power system, for exactly such circumstances.

      Man is my inner SW geek coming out in this topic...

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    8. Re:Water cores by 7macaw · · Score: 1

      >Indeed, the pressure *would* be significant, and the water would either be in a solid or supercritical liquid phase - it'd be pretty unlikely that you'd find it possible to drive a submarine through it in either case, though, even if the submarine itself would be constructed to withstand the pressure and temperature at the core.

      Well, you just need to construct the submarine with a huge drill at her nose. It may be useful when targeting surface ships as well.

    9. Re:Water cores by StarvingSE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am sure that they did not go through the planets core during that sequence of TPM. I was always assuming they were just traveling through some kind of deep water caves that cut through the land as a short cut to their destination.

      Its like how some people might call the deep water trenches in the Pacific the "planet core" to emphasis how deep they are.

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    10. Re:Water cores by ILikeRed · · Score: 1

      The general idea is stupid, but I would point out a problem with your reasoning. Water, unlike most chemicals, EXPANDS when frozen - which is why the bottoms of our oceans don't freeze. (i.e. the pressure at the bottom of the ocean prevents the water from freezing.) You can test this yourself, fill a bottle all the way up with water, put it in your freezer, and see if the bottle expands or contracts.

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    11. Re:Water cores by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      But I thought that solid water (ice) was less dense then the liquid form. Therefore, if you compress water enough, it cannot turn into a solid.

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    12. Re:Water cores by XenoRyet · · Score: 1

      That's what I always assumed as well. Makes particular sense given that the statement came from the gungans, who aren't particularly scientificaly, or geologicaly savvy. To a gungan deep cave == planet core.

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    13. Re:Water cores by pclminion · · Score: 5, Interesting
      But I thought that solid water (ice) was less dense then the liquid form. Therefore, if you compress water enough, it cannot turn into a solid.

      There are twelve known physical types of ice. Look at the phase diagram carefully. Even at 10,000 gigapascals there are forms of ice. Most of these types are denser than water. What we typically think of as "water ice" is specifically called Ice-1 (there are two subtypes, cubic and hexagonal). Ice-2 through Ice-10 are all denser than water, with Ice-10 being 2.5 times as dense. That's some heavy ice. Ice-11 is less dense than water, but Ice-12 is again denser.

      Our observations of water here on earth are not really representative of all the forms of H2O in nature. On the contrary, a big part of the reason why life is able to exist on this planet is that we are almost exactly at the triple point of water. By the weak anthropic principle, we only observe those forms of water that are conducive to the existence of life.

    14. Re:Water cores by pegr · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are twelve known physical types of ice. Look at the phase diagram carefully. Even at 10,000 gigapascals there are forms of ice. Most of these types are denser than water. What we typically think of as "water ice" is specifically called Ice-1 (there are two subtypes, cubic and hexagonal). Ice-2 through Ice-10 are all denser than water, with Ice-10 being 2.5 times as dense. That's some heavy ice. Ice-11 is less dense than water, but Ice-12 is again denser.

      Just stay away from me with that Ice 9, alright?

    15. Re:Water cores by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      I thought that too. Besides, if it really was that deep, the pressure would crush those giant fish swimming around. Considering the ease the fish have in moving through the water, my guess is the pressure isn't that great, and therefore it's not really that deep.

      The Gungans are pretty stupid, and it makes more sense that they would call a water cave "the planet core" then it to actualy be a planet core.

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    16. Re:Water cores by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      Or beer.

      I've often left cans of beer in the freezer to cool them, and occasionally I forget and leave them in there a few hours too long. The beer remains liquid as long as it's still under pressure, but when you open the can it freezes into an unpourable slush in seconds.

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    17. Re:Water cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Of course, IANAP, though, so YMMV.

      Well, I am a planet and my mileage does vary!

      In fact I am a very soft-core planet and lots of interstellar submarines have already crossed my luke-warm core! So bugger of with your fairy tales about temperatures and 'significant' pressures, puh-lees...

    18. Re:Water cores by the.o.ster.66 · · Score: 1
      you could do it if the submarine were made of Dolomite.

      It's DOLOMITE, Baby!

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    19. Re:Water cores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I was born in a water moon. Some people, especially its inhabitants, called it a planet, but as it was only a little over two hundred kilometres in diameter 'moon' seems the more accurate term. The moon was made entirely of water, by which I mean it was a globe that not only had no land, but no rock either, a sphere with no solid core at all, just liquid water, all the way down to the very centre of the globe..." Iain M. Banks

    20. Re:Water cores by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
      There are twelve known physical types of ice [lsbu.ac.uk]. Look at the phase diagram carefully. Even at 10,000 gigapascals there are forms of ice. Most of these types are denser than water. What we typically think of as "water ice" is specifically called Ice-1 (there are two subtypes, cubic and hexagonal). Ice-2 through Ice-10 are all denser than water, with Ice-10 being 2.5 times as dense. That's some heavy ice. Ice-11 is less dense than water, but Ice-12 is again denser.

      you just totally blew my mind

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    21. Re:Water cores by AlienSlav · · Score: 0

      Simple battery back up, didn't you notice the 10 gauge wire sparking when Obi-wan hot wired the panel? AlienSlave

    22. Re:Water cores by Livius · · Score: 1

      Could you pilot a submarine through a planet's core?

      Easily, if it wasn't the actual geological core, but an ordinary ocean trench with a melodramatic name.

    23. Re:Water cores by Anakron · · Score: 1
      ...canopy force field would have shut down ...drowning the occupants
      I think they would have been crushed first.. But then again, they weren't actually in the core, were they?
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    24. Re:Water cores by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Water, unlike most chemicals, EXPANDS when frozen - which is why the bottoms of our oceans don't freeze. (i.e. the pressure at the bottom of the ocean prevents the water from freezing.)

      That's true up to a point, but if you lowered the temperature sufficiently and kept the pressure the same you'd end up with ice.

    25. Re:Water cores by ILikeRed · · Score: 1

      And how do you propose keeping the pressure the same, by expanding the container, or by removing some water so the remainder will stay at a constant pessure while it expands?

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    26. Re:Water cores by ILikeRed · · Score: 1
      Our observations of water here on earth are not really representative of all the forms of H2O in nature. On the contrary, a big part of the reason why life is able to exist on this planet is that we are almost exactly at the triple point of water. By the weak anthropic principle, we only observe those forms of water that are conducive to the existence of life.

      and therefore, on any planet where a human-like creature could survive and walk, that planet will be near the triple point of water, and the only natural forms of water will be ice and snow (cubic and hexagonal ice I) and the only naturally occuring forms of ice will be ones that expand when frozen.

      QED
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    27. Re:Water cores by pclminion · · Score: 1

      Yes, but we're discussing the core of some fictional water planet here. Probably not a planet where humans could evolve and/or walk. My point is that on such an alien world, we need to consider physics that is outside of our common experiences.

    28. Re:Water cores by Zoshnell · · Score: 1

      It's all good as long as you have a bag of holding to contain Ice-9.

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  7. Animal Guts by AviLazar · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yea they do stink, a lot (ever hit a deer, your car will stink for at least a year)....But, an animal of that size (essentially an animal that is big enough to act as a mount for a human) would probably retain enough warmth to keep a person (inside of it...yuck) at a decent temperature for 4-5 hours.

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    1. Re:Animal Guts by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Funny

      (ever hit a deer, your car will stink for at least a year)

            Of course you could always try washing it...

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    2. Re:Animal Guts by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Of course you could always try washing it...

      The deer guts manages to find itself into various areas that is near impossible to wash without taking the car apart. In my case, because I had to drive my car home, enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.

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    3. Re:Animal Guts by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you track sand into them, you'll never get it out.

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    4. Re:Animal Guts by butterwise · · Score: 0

      In my case, because I had to drive my car home, enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.

      That's why, whenver I hit a deer, I butcher it at that moment, on the spot.

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    5. Re:Animal Guts by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      enough of the deer stuff got in the ventilation system.

            Crickey, how fast were you going? :)

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    6. Re:Animal Guts by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      Crickey, how fast were you going? :)

      LOL. I was doing about 60...the people slightly in front and in the right lane hit the deer and it bounced off their car and i drove over the reindeer. Luckily the damage was not that extensive (needed a new bumper for a Ford Tauras which is made from plastic)...but the smell, good god the smell. Freezing or burying myself in an animal for warmth would be a tough call, a really tough call.

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  8. Sounds like a social occasion by sczimme · · Score: 1


    ...wasn't how they survived the entire evening.

    "Oh yes, we spent the evening in a most delightful tauntaun... The neighborhood was just beastly, though - I don't know how we survived."

    I suppose the viability of the tauntaun-as-pita approach (smell not withstanding) would depend in large part on the [overall] specific heat of tauntaun innards. (I'm assuming here that the insulatory qualities of the fur would be pretty good.) The light sabre would be necessary to cauterize the incision, lest [even more] unpleasant leakage occur.

    To sum up: eewww.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by hazem · · Score: 1

      My guess is that it would have been much better to leave the tauntaun alive and just snuggle up against it. While it's alive, it will continue to metabolize its fats and produce heat. A dead tauntaun is just a wet gooey blanket.

      At best, maybe Han should have shaved off part of the hair so that Luke could get closer to the tauntaun's skin...

    2. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by Fallingcow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The tauntaun was already dead.

    3. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      But hadn't the thing just fallen over dead anyway?

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    4. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by miller701 · · Score: 1

      As someone else mentioned, the tauntaun had already keeled over.

      Han may be a space pirate (who shoots first!) but he wouldn't kill a tauntaun just to save Luke, just ride the tauntaun back.

    5. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by hazem · · Score: 1

      That's possible... but I know that I've fallen over a few times in my life and appeared mostly lifeless. I would have been terribly disgruntled if someone split me open to keep warm (would have ruined my buzz!).

      The Tauntaun fell over, but may not have died yet for sometime. Until that time, it would have still produced heat.

      If the animal were dead, I'll bet it still would have been better to cut the skin off and wrap Luke up fur-side towards him and goo-side out.

      Plus, if it was just until Han got the shelter set up, it probably would have just as good to put Luke next to the beast and not inside it.

    6. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by susano_otter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I assume, for the sake of argument, that the Tauntaun was more-or-less suited to the ice planet envirnment. If it had been out in the elements long enough to die, then Han probably (and reasonably!) figured that Luke had been out in the elements too long already. Thus, his first priority was to put several layers of insulating Tauntaun fat, flesh, and innards between Luke and the elements. Especially since the core of the Tauntaun's torso would be the last thing to cool off, and Luke would stay warmer longer the closer he was to it.

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    7. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by Dausha · · Score: 1, Funny

      "The tauntaun was already dead."

      - He's not dead. He's resting.
      - Resting?
      - Yeah. He's tired after a long squall.
      - Alright. If he's resting we'll just wake him up then. POLLY! Polly Parrot! Wake up! Polly. I've got a nice cuttle fish for you. *bang* *bang* POLLY!
      - Now he's stunned.

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    8. Re:Sounds like a social occasion by blincoln · · Score: 1

      My guess is that it would have been much better to leave the tauntaun alive and just snuggle up against it. While it's alive, it will continue to metabolize its fats and produce heat. A dead tauntaun is just a wet gooey blanket.

      When you're facing hypothermia, the most important thing is to insulate your body and isolate it from the weather. Snuggling up to a Tauntaun would keep that one part of you warm, but the rest of your body would be acting like a heat sink.

      Cutting it open and stuffing Luke inside was the best way to keep him alive, fantasy story or no. Basically it would be acting like a really thick, gooey, smelly sleeping bag.

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  9. Talk like this, I do by everphilski · · Score: 5, Funny

    because third grade english, pass I did not.

    1. Re:Talk like this, I do by idonthack · · Score: 1

      Really too bad, that is. Love it, high school teachers do. Creative inverted sentence structure, they say.

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  10. Subtitle *Should* be..... by gmletzkojr · · Score: 0

    Kari-who-is-your-daddy

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  11. The only good wars... by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Contrary to what you've just seen, war is neither glamorous nor fun. There are no winners, only losers. There are no good wars, with the following exceptions: The American Revolution, World War II, and the Star Wars Trilogy. If you'd like to learn more about war, there's lots of books in your local library, many of them with cool, gory pictures." -- Bart Simpson

    1. Re:The only good wars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article relates to Star Wars. The quote relates to Star Wars. It's an oblig. Simpsons quote. I can see by your ID you must be new here...

  12. A 50 footer? by Otter · · Score: 5, Informative
    Could you survive a 50-foot fall into a snow bank like Luke Skywalker did?

    Huh? Jamie Pierre just broke the skiing cliff-drop record with a 245-footer in Grand Targhee. I haven't seen the video yet, but supposedly he didn't even land it cleanly. (The New Zealander who previously held the record hit a 225-footer into slush, landing on his back with a backpack full of foam.)

    C'mon, a 50-footer won't even get you into a movie nowadays unless you throw at least a 720...

    1. Re:A 50 footer? by VikingBerserker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even without skis or a snowboard, at least 130 feet is plausible without injury.

    2. Re:A 50 footer? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      C'mon, a 50-footer won't even get you into a movie nowadays unless you throw at least a 720...

      Yeah. Anybody who's flipped through a volume of Accidents in North American Mountaineering could tell you that people have survived MUCH longer falls than 50 feet, and people have survived long falls (80+ feet) onto solid rock as well. It is highly dependent on your orientation when you land. You probably aren't going to get up and walk away from something like that, but survivable? Absolutely.

    3. Re:A 50 footer? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      20,000 foot drop is plausable, but I wouldn't count on it!

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    4. Re:A 50 footer? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      And oddly enough, I fell 8 feet from the edge of my roof onto soft grass, and ended up shattering my wrist into over a dozen peices. That was 6 years ago and it still bugs me.

      My guess is that if I was Skywalker, I would have survived the 50 foot drop just long enough to bankrupt me and my family with medical bills before the doctors gave up.

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    5. Re:A 50 footer? by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      To make it even worse, from the description I read he couldn't keep his skis under him more than half way down and landed head first. Still no injuries.

    6. Re:A 50 footer? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      130 feet is plausible without injury.

      No, 130 feet is POSSIBLE without injury. It's also pretty damn UNLIKELY.

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    7. Re:A 50 footer? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      And oddly enough, I fell 8 feet from the edge of my roof onto soft grass, and ended up shattering my wrist into over a dozen peices. That was 6 years ago and it still bugs me.

      I know a story about a rock climber who had just struggled up a several hundred foot face, was in the process of mantling over the final edge to get on top, slipped and fell 6 inches, cracking three of his ribs on the lip of the cliff.

      Another guy had a few drinks too many, decided to solo an 80-footer, fell right near the top, and managed to pull off a stunt roll as he hit the ground, suffering nothing more than some severely bruised ligaments.

    8. Re:A 50 footer? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny you should mention that. When people ask me about falling off the roof, they assume I had to have been drinking. Sadly, I had only prepared to drink (on the roof), and had yet to begin. I later learned from the doctor that had I been drunk during the fall, I wouldn't have instinctually tried to break the fall with rigid arms, and instead I would have been fine.

      The moral of the story is, if you're going to fall, try to have a few drinks in you first.

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    9. Re:A 50 footer? by TheRealGrendel · · Score: 1
    10. Re:A 50 footer? by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      C'mon, a 50-footer won't even get you into a movie nowadays unless you throw at least a 720...

      Or a backflip.

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    11. Re:A 50 footer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/ffallers.html

      A whole family of unlikely survivors.

    12. Re:A 50 footer? by stud9920 · · Score: 1
    13. Re:A 50 footer? by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A cop once told me that's why many drunk drivers escape bad accidents with minor injuries, while the sober occupants of the other car are killed or severely injured.

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    14. Re:A 50 footer? by CaseyB · · Score: 1

      You should have added a backflip, then you might have been OK.

    15. Re:A 50 footer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. "Lieutenant I. M. Chisov of the former Soviet Union was flying his Ilyushin 4 on a bitter cold day in January 1942, when it was attacked by 12 German Messerschmitts. Convinced that he had no chance of surviving if he staged with his badly battered plane, Chisov bailed out at 21,980 feet. With the fighters still buzzing around, Chisov cleverly decided to fall freely out of the arena. It was his plan not to open his chute until he was down to only 1000 ft above the ground. Unfortunately, he lost consciousness en route. As luck would have it, he crashed at the edge of a steep ravine covered with 3 ft of snow. Hitting at about 120 mi/h, he plowed along its slope until he came to rest at the bottom. Chisov awoke 20 min later, bruised and sore, but miraclously he had suffered only a concussion of the spine and a fractured pelvis. Three and one-half months later he was back at work as a flight instructor." Hecht, Eugene. Physics: Calculus. 2nd ed.

    16. Re:A 50 footer? by damsa · · Score: 1

      Mythbusters already did this myth. Not sure what the conclusions were though.

    17. Re:A 50 footer? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Informative
      Your post got me wondering about the actual height of the ATAT. Estimates put it at roughly 22-23 meters tall.

      In the process of googling it...I came across this site that has WAAAY too much information on those sorts of vehicle specs. It is actually quite a fascinating read since they don't just give the height....they give about 10 in-depth bullet points of movie and merchandise analysis to scientifically try to determine the actual height.

      And that's just the height....they try to figure out dimensions for the crew compartment, its weaponry, how big its feet are...etc.

      And that's just the AT-AT section. And I thought that I had way too much time on my hands.

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    18. Re:A 50 footer? by permaculture · · Score: 1

      "A cop once told me that's why many drunk drivers escape bad accidents with minor injuries, while the sober occupants of the other car are killed or severely injured."

      Hmmm. A vehicle airbag / beer bong that can make a man drunk in a few thousandths of a second? I'll have to get back to you about this one.

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    19. Re:A 50 footer? by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      Again, yes it is POSSIBLE and, yes, it is also damned UNLIKELY.

      -Eric

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  13. My favorite ... by WankersRevenge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could you survive a 50-foot fall into a snow bank like Luke Skywalker did?

    "It's plausible, depending on the exact conditions," Imahara explains. "You could survive, but you'd be pretty badly hurt. Let's just say you probably wouldn't be jumping up on a tauntaun and riding to the next outpost, if you know what I mean."

    *cough*cough* ;)

    1. Re:My favorite ... by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A guy who lived across the hall from me in college, in the dorm, had a roof outside his second floor window. He conjured up a snow shovel, made a pile, went to the fourth floor, and jumped.

      He did it again from the fifth floor. 3 stories is what, 40 feet? He was fine, physically anyway.

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    2. Re:My favorite ... by Otter · · Score: 1
      A guy who lived across the hall from me in college, in the dorm, had a roof outside his second floor window. He conjured up a snow shovel...

      And then Professor Snape took five points away from our House. Which proved crucial when Gryffindor (now, here's a shocker!) picked up a pile of last-second points to win again.

    3. Re:My favorite ... by maxume · · Score: 1

      He lived in a 15 x 15 X 10 box with another guy. Perhaps 'conjured' is a bit of an odd word choice, but he didn't just have it laying around.

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  14. I must be weird by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I must be weird. I just watch the movies and don't talk about them much if at all. Tech and stuff in Star Wars is just too much of a stretch, what I'd refer to as fantasy, rather than Sci-Fi. Trying to explain stuff from Fantasy, down that path madness lies.

    so, y'see, if greedo shot first, han wudda been blinded anyway, so...

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  15. The lightsaber myth... by Vexler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can a weapon like a lightsaber actually exist?

    Even the most uninformed fan knows that it's not just the light, but it's plasma being shaped into a cylindrical shape approximately 1 meter in length (according to the Episode III novel) that gives the lightsaber its power. (Yes, and the Force, but let me just talk about the saber for the moment...)

    One of the problem has to do with the state of the plasma, often called the fourth state of matter. It is by no means solid, and yet the fact that the lightsaber has a distinct shape when activated and the fact that two lightsabers can clash in a duel mean that there is a solid-like boundary to the blade that is inviolable. On the contrary, often we see the blade cutting through other objects and body parts with frightening ease. (Just ask Count Dooku.)

    Which brings me to another issue: The power required to confine the plasma in a blade-like configuration (be it magnetic or otherwise) may well exceed the power to generate the blade in the first place. It seems almost redundant for a weapon of this type to be built, as the builder can control and direct the flow of plasma with a device no more than 30 centimeters in length. As someone else said regarding construction of Dyson Spheres, "If you can build it, you don't need it."

    1. Re:The lightsaber myth... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Funny
      Can a weapon like a lightsaber actually exist?

      Ah, but of course!

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    2. Re:The lightsaber myth... by radtea · · Score: 4, Funny

      the fact that two lightsabers can clash in a duel mean that there is a solid-like boundary to the blade that is inviolable

      Clearly there is some kind of quantum coherence going on in the plasma that effectively makes each lightsaber a single giant fermion. Then the Pauli exclusion principle keeps any two lightsabers from occupying the same space. This is why the only thing (other than Chuck Norris) that a lightsaber can't cut through is another lightsaber.

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    3. Re:The lightsaber myth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Even the most uninformed fan knows that it's not just the light, but it's plasma being shaped into a cylindrical shape approximately 1 meter in length (according to the Episode III novel) that gives the lightsaber its power.


      Hold on there, Poindexter - a lot of us are fans of the (original) movies and the action figures without researching the technicalities of the construction and operation of a lightsaber. My only examination of such things came when I was playing with my brother's plastic lightsaber. If you substitute "relatively uninformed massively over-interested or overly-critical Star Wars geek" for "uninformed fan", your statement would be much more accurate.
    4. Re:The lightsaber myth... by NickeB · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, often we see the blade cutting through other objects and body parts with frightening ease. (Just ask Count Dooku.)

      Body parts? Obi-Wans mentor nearly succeeds in melting his way through a blast door, who cares about some fragile body parts?
    5. Re:The lightsaber myth... by robgamble · · Score: 1

      I for one am sickened by what I found while perusing your link, sir! The callous mockery made of Lord Vader in this... this.....

      Behold, the pinnacle of heresy, Darth Tater!

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    6. Re:The lightsaber myth... by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Huh huh. You said "fermion".

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    7. Re:The lightsaber myth... by SETIGuy · · Score: 5, Informative
      Even the most uninformed fan knows that it's not just the light, but it's plasma being shaped into a cylindrical shape approximately 1 meter in length (according to the Episode III novel) that gives the lightsaber its power. (Yes, and the Force, but let me just talk about the saber for the moment...)

      I have a device that is very much like a light saber that uses no power at all. It consists of a thermal electron plasma which is contained by a matrix of positively charged ions. I can't get it to glow like a "light saber" unless I supply a lot of energy to it, but doing so weakens the ion matrix to the point where it might fail to stand up use.

      Electrostatic repulsion and the strength of the ion matrix prevent it from penetrating another saber of similar design, but the same electrostatic repulsion, when focused to specific parts of the blade, is quite adept at slicing through flesh.

      There is a picture of a saber of the type I describe right here.

    8. Re:The lightsaber myth... by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      So presumably heavy armour (like on the AT-AT walker Luke had to use a grenade on) is made from Chuck Norris? Awesome.

    9. Re:The lightsaber myth... by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      So presumably heavy armour (like on the AT-AT walker Luke had to use a grenade on) is made from Chuck Norris? Awesome.


      Nah. AT-AT armor is incredibly tough, but not lightsaber proof. Watch the scene again. Luke cut open the belly access hatch with his lightsaber and threw a grenade inside.

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    10. Re:The lightsaber myth... by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

      I think it's more along the lines of why people dueled when they could just shoot each other in the back. It's a weapon for a gentleman where skill keeps you alive not raw power.

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    11. Re:The lightsaber myth... by Jardine · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is why the only thing (other than Chuck Norris) that a lightsaber can't cut through is another lightsaber.

      What about cortosis?

    12. Re:The lightsaber myth... by zoloto · · Score: 1

      As someone else said regarding construction of Dyson Spheres, "If you can build it, you don't need it."

      Here's what I think. Obi Wan Kanobi said that a light saber was a more elegant weapon and reinforced a true jedi's skill. Regardless of that statement of "if you can build it, you don't need it", it was more for the focus of a jedi in his transcendence within the force and also a part of his training.

      good god i am a geek

    13. Re:The lightsaber myth... by AlienSlav · · Score: 0

      I can see my little padawan learner that you are close to understanding the light saber, but to become a Jedi you must build it then your training will be complete. AlienSlave

    14. Re:The lightsaber myth... by CaptainBJones · · Score: 1

      ...hat gives the lightsaber its power. (Yes, and the Force,...

      But if it requires the force to use how is Han able to use it to cut open the tauntaun?

    15. Re:The lightsaber myth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow!

      None of the moderators spotted this massive joke??

    16. Re:The lightsaber myth... by mink · · Score: 1

      He clearly kept rolling a 6 on the wild die until he got above 20 as a result did not critically injure himself using it.

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  16. Skip the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No pictures of Keri.

  17. Re: by Mathiasdm · · Score: 2, Informative
    It obviously ran Windows! Wikipedia:

    The first Death Star held 27,048 officers, 774,576 crew including troopers, pilots and crewers, 400,000 support workers and over 25,000 Imperial stormtroopers. It also carried assault shuttles, Skipray Blastboats, strike cruisers, drop ships, land vehicles, and support ships as well as 7,200 TIE fighters.

    As one can see, it's heavily armed. Imagine a botnet of Death Star zombies!

    For surface protection it sported 2,000 Turbolaser batteries, 2,500 ion cannons and at least 700 tractor beam projectors, plus, of course, the superlaser.

    There we have it! Anti-spyware protection, anti-virus protection, anti-adware protection... The whole lot!

    Clearly, we're talking about Windows.

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  18. Death Star? by jollyroger1210 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Would it be possible to have something as big as a death star? How about Star Destroyers?

    Imagine, a Beowulf Cluster of Death Stars.

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  19. Don't read if you love Star Wars by Microsift · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm going to ruin it for you... In episode IV, the Storm Troopers set their blasters for stun and fill the room up with blaster energy (it was represented as concentric circles), and capture Princess Leia. Why on Earth wasn't this the default setting? Much is made in the movies about the Jedi's ability to block blaster fire with their light sabers, (and in Vader's case his hand). It seems like the obvious tactic against a Jedi is set for stun, knock the Jedi out, set for kill, kill the Jedi. No muss, no fuss. But they never do this...

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    1. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by XenoRyet · · Score: 1

      That's easy. A Jedi would easily be able to resist the effects of the stun setting. There are numerous Jedi tricks (both Cannon and EU) that can be used to maintain conciousness under adverse conditions.

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    2. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by kailoran · · Score: 1

      There could be a zillion possible reasons, including:
        - lightsabers might block stun blasts just as well
        - range, accuracy and effectiveness) of stun mode could be unusable in real combat
        - the jedi could be immune to the stun blasts (the force) (although I think it would take quite a jedi to withstand a lot of hits. they aren't all-powerful after all)
      etc.

    3. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by AeroIllini · · Score: 2, Funny

      Much is made in the movies about the Jedi's ability to block blaster fire with their light sabers, (and in Vader's case his hand).

      Much is also made in the movies about the Jedi's ability to detect such subtle nuances of mood and body language that they can tell when someone is lying. So why is it that they can't see when a supposedly non-Jedi senator is very obviously and transparently plotting to take over the Republic and wipe out an entire culture using his Sith powers? It seems to me that if the Jedi really had any Force powers at all, they would get cramps every time Palpatine entered the room, seeing as he's positively dripping with the Dark Side.

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    4. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by glwtta · · Score: 1
      There are numerous Jedi tricks (both Cannon and EU)

      It seems unlikely that a cannon would be the weapon of choice for a Jedi. And are you saying that the Jedi from the European Union don't use cannons?

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    5. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hard to see the Dark Side is.

    6. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course, being all-powerful and all that, he could easily hide the oozes of darkness dripping out of his ears

    7. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      That's irrelevant. Princess Leia was not yet a Jedi when they 'stunned' her. Luke explains to her in Episode VI that she has the power.

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    8. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by xtieburn · · Score: 2, Funny

      You seem to have looked in to it a bit too much.

      There is an easier way to ruin the whole thing, a good old fashioned machine gun.
      Fire a spray of three bullets and unless they happen to all be in exactly the same line one will get through. Have an army of Storm Troopers firing bullets and your Jedi will be riddled with holes. Even if the Jedi were capable of blocking them with some super fast lightsaber action theyd melt in the beam so no deadly deflections.

      Man the Emporer would kick himself if someone mentioned that idea to him. Guess the're so newfangeled they forgot about a good ol Uzi.

    9. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      Oh, but bullets can easily be defeated by the force, no need to do any lightsaber deflecting at all, if you can lift a plane out of a swamp, controlling a little bits of metal shouldn't be any problem.

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    10. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw the uzi, gimme a nice streew sweeper, basically a fully aytomatic shotgun, try dodging a bunch bb's throw at you at the same time....

      Jedi can't win against a street sweeper.

    11. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the Jedi cunning mind power training renders them immune or resistant to blaster stun? Just a guess, but that's how I'd fudge it were it my script.

      And if trooper armour provides protection against the stun effect, and droids are similarly protected, then it'd be a pretty crap default setting, wouldn't it.

    12. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      Holy crap that was funny. Thank you.

      Virg

    13. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > It seems to me that if the Jedi really had any Force powers at all, they would get cramps every time Palpatine entered the room, seeing as he's positively dripping with the Dark Side.

      Two things. Firstly, perhaps a part of the power of the Dark Side is the ability to disguise its own presence, or suppress the ability of those around you to react to it. Secondly, you'll remember that a number of the more powerful Jedi were very uneasy regarding the Chancellor, and some of them didn't seem to know quite why. Perhaps they were sensing his Sith nature, but not strongly enough to realize that.

      Virg

    14. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      > try dodging a bunch bb's throw at you at the same time....

      No need. Once you've mastered the Force well enough to throw a robot into a wall hard enough to disable it by pointing at it with your palm, stopping a shotgun blast the same way is duck soup. Besides, Jedi are able to sense things happening before they occur, so they'd just be gone before you leveled the weapon to begin with. Seems simple enough to me.

      Virg

    15. Re:Don't read if you love Star Wars by mink · · Score: 1

      I'm more bothered by his creepy uncle, child molester vibe then the sith vibe.

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  20. It is easy to drop 50 feet and be fine... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    assuming you can use The Force.

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    1. Re:It is easy to drop 50 feet and be fine... by giant_toaster · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is the only site where using the force is considered insightful!

    2. Re:It is easy to drop 50 feet and be fine... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      well, in this discussion I think it is. I mean he is a Jedi in training, so I would assume he could use the force to slow a fall.
      However he is no where nere the power of older Jedi, which explains why he didn't just remove all the bolts from the walkers legs by waving his hand. . .

      now, when I mention using the force in any non star warsd post, please reply and tell me I maybe edging a little to far down dork lane.

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    3. Re:It is easy to drop 50 feet and be fine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gravity also may not be 1G...

  21. Water Phase Diagram by everphilski · · Score: 4, Informative

    Water Phase Diagram

    Note regions VIII-XI. With enough pressure yes, water will solidify. HOWEVER there is a temperature point at which the water will no longer solidify (not shown on this scale although you can see the "liquid dome" is increasing as temperature increases. Eventually if you go far enough to the right there is a point where only vapor exists, regardless of pressure.

    So while GP is correct that pressure will solidify water there is also extreme temperature that will counteract the pressure. One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...

    1. Re:Water Phase Diagram by fjf33 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a temperature at which you don't have water anymore. In the presence of the right catalyst you may have a core that creates H2 and O2 if you get the pressure and temperatures right. You may not even need the catalyst.

    2. Re:Water Phase Diagram by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Funny

      With enough pressure yes, water will solidify.

      Awesome! At my next party, I'm going to have forged ice cubes! And I'll put 'em in the grill and fry steaks with them!

      One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...

      Oh but they do!

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    3. Re:Water Phase Diagram by hesiod · · Score: 2, Informative

      > One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...

      Well, perhaps the answer lies in how the planets formed to begin with. If it started off as mostly rocks and gaseous vapor (including water vapor) collecting together, the denser materials would collect towards the center of mass -- assuming the objects were collectively spinning with enough speed to create a force to draw the pieces together into a sphere/larger rock. Also, the water would remain a vapor until the solid rock nearby was cool enough for the water to condense. By that time, much material would have collected to form the core.

      Keep in mind that I don't know jack about astrophysics and could be completely wrong.

    4. Re:Water Phase Diagram by TekPolitik · · Score: 1
      >One must wonder why water cores don't exist in real life...
      Well, perhaps the answer lies in how the planets formed to begin with.

      At least one star system in the Star Wars universe (Corellia - Han Solo's home system) was constructed artificially in the long-forgotten past. While Corellia involved relocating planets from other star systems, it seems reasonable to assume planet construction may also have been an option, and given Naboo seems to be a tranquil paradise it may well have been constructed for wealthy beings in pre old-republic days.

      On the other hand we don't know for sure that there are no water-core planets "in real life" - in fact all we know about is the limited planets around an insignificant yellow star in an unfashionable area of the galaxy, together with the existence of a few gas giants and even fewer rocky worlds around some nearby stars.

    5. Re:Water Phase Diagram by san · · Score: 1

      Note regions VIII-XI. With enough pressure yes, water will solidify. HOWEVER there is a temperature point at which the water will no longer solidify (not shown on this scale although you can see the "liquid dome" is increasing as temperature increases. Eventually if you go far enough to the right there is a point where only vapor exists, regardless of pressure.
      That's not really true; there may be a temperature where water as a molecule ceases to exist, but there is no critical point for freezing transitions: hard spheres crystallize under pressure, because at a certain density the entropy is actually higher in the ordered crystalline phase. There is a density at which water will always be solid.
      It is true, however, that there is always a temperature where a solid at a given pressure will melt; exactly for the reasons you specify: the temperature will counteract the pressure. But inner core temperatures for the earth (a few thousand kelvins) will almost certainly not be enough to counteract the enormous pressure down there.

    6. Re:Water Phase Diagram by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      How many planets do we know of that have enough water to form a core? Mars has some water, but would it have been enough to form a core?

    7. Re:Water Phase Diagram by raodin · · Score: 1

      Water cores don't exist because of density. Rock and metal are significantly denser than water, so they naturally will sink to the middle of the ball of collapsing planet stuff.

  22. nice try, but faulty. by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    by then there weren't any Jedi around. It being a sad ancient religon and all.

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    1. Re:nice try, but faulty. by Penguinshit · · Score: 5, Funny


      I find your lack of faith disturbing...

    2. Re:nice try, but faulty. by geekoid · · Score: 1

      gurgle choke gurgle gurgle.

      the scary thing is, I heard it in Darth Vaders voice as I was reading your post.

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  23. While we are on the subject by technoextreme · · Score: 1

    Take a lot at the Museum of Science's exhibit about Star Wars. They have plenty of props and there is also some exhibits that are related to the movie.
    http://www.mos.org/doc/1857

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  24. Real myth needs busting by squidfood · · Score: 5, Funny
    Given the angle of attack, exit wound, etc., did Han shoot first?

    (Personally I suspect some post-Imperial propagandist doctored the data).

    1. Re:Real myth needs busting by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1
      did Han shoot first?

      Yes.

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    2. Re:Real myth needs busting by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 1

      I watched the famed 'Lucas Film' frame by frame. Back and to the left. Back and to the left. . .

      The shot Guido made just doesn't look right. I suspect foul play.

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    3. Re:Real myth needs busting by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      Given the angle of attack, exit wound, etc., did Han shoot first?

      Next week, on CSI:Mos Eisley

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    4. Re:Real myth needs busting by nightznoe · · Score: 1

      No No No! It was the third gunman behind the grassy knowl that shot first. Han missed!

  25. REMOVE Animal Guts by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think the real goal would be to dump the animal's viscera and use the large rib cage and fat/hide as a sort of shelter or smelly windbreak. The damp gutsy stuff in an opened-up belly would very quickly be a big old heatsink in the sort of wind and temps portrayed in the movie.

    If you really a fun portrayal of this sort of thing, watch the evade-the-British-captors scene in the 1995 version of Rob Roy, starring Liam Neeson. That's a great movie, even without light sabers. Ye Old Ferrous Cutlery does just fine for those Baroque combatants. Tim Roth does a particularly slimy job as the primary villain. Highly recommended.

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    1. Re:REMOVE Animal Guts by Darby · · Score: 1

      If you really a fun portrayal of this sort of thing, watch the evade-the-British-captors scene in the 1995 version of Rob Roy [imdb.com],

      Or for another quite amusing portrayal, you could read this

      Being a dog owner, you might a real kick out of it.

  26. Fifty foot fall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    My dad was in the paratroopers (I was born at Ft Campbell). On one jump, one of his fellow paratrooper's chute didn't open, and neither did the reserve.

    Dad says the fellow fell 2000 feet (divide by three for meters), landed in a muddy, plowed field, and didn't break a single bone! He was in the hospital for his bruises for only 2 days (this was in 1951).

    OTOH my Grandfather worked for Purina, and went four floors down an elevator shaft onto a concrete bottom (roughly fifty feet) in 1959. He lived, but he would have beeen better off if he'd died; he was a complete cripple and severely brain damaged, but he lived. But he didn't land in snow or a plowed, muddy field.

    So yes, it's completely plausable to not only fall fifty feet into a snowdrift, but to get up and ride that funny looking horse.

    -mcgrew

    1. Re:Fifty foot fall by TychoCelchuuu · · Score: 1

      When I was little my dad told me ice cream was "grownup food" and that I wouldn't like it at all. He still laughs about it when he remembered the first time I tried ice cream. While this anecdote may imply it, I am not exactly saying that you can't fall from a plane into mud and be fine. I'm just, you know, trying to be reasonable about this. People lie sometimes :D

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    2. Re:Fifty foot fall by tahuti · · Score: 1

      These are 2 examples that I knew from other sources (before Internet if you can imagine) Vesna Vulovic was a stewardess on a Yugoslav DC 9 jet airliner that blew up in January of 1972 (probably as the result of a terrorist bomb). She fell more than 33,000 feet in the wreckage of the plane, which hit a snow-covered slope. The only survivor, she was badly injured and was paralyzed from the waist down, but later recovered and now can walk. On Christmas Eve of 1971, a commercial airliner over Peru was struck by lightning and broke up during a storm. A teenage girl, Juliane Koepcke, fell two miles, still strapped in her seat. She survived, but her ordeal had just begun. Despite a broken collarbone and other injuries, she walked for 11 days through the Amazon rain forest and finally found help. Her story has been the subject of two films, the most recent being a Werner Herzog documentary called Wings of Hope. from http://www.greenharbor.com/fffolder/wreckage.html

    3. Re: Fifty foot fall by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > My dad was in the paratroopers (I was born at Ft Campbell). On one jump, one of his fellow paratrooper's chute didn't open, and neither did the reserve. Dad says the fellow fell 2000 feet (divide by three for meters), landed in a muddy, plowed field, and didn't break a single bone! He was in the hospital for his bruises for only 2 days (this was in 1951).

      There was a story in Readers Digest many years ago, about world record fall survivors. (I mention how long ago it was, because they may not still be the record heights.)

      The very highest was a stewardess who was strapped in a seat in the back of a plane when a bomb blew it up, and she survived the fall in the tail section.

      The second was a WWII paratrooper who had to bail out during a bombing run, and his parachute didn't open. He hit the glass roof of a train station just as a bomb went off inside; some kind of equalization of pressure thing saved him.

      The third was another military aviator whose chute didn't open. He survived because he hit deep snow on the steep embankment of a ditch or canal, and the combination of snow padding and angular deflection saved him.

      Presumably the drag from the unbillowed chutes slowed the two parachutists' falling speed somewhat.

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    4. Re: Fifty foot fall by dcam · · Score: 1

      Reading Curahee recently, he describes how during training at least one person fell without their parachute opening and survived, but I think this was a relatively low training jump.

      Also surely once you reach terminal velocity, surely this becomes moot. I don't know how how you have to go before you reach terminal velocity, but surely after you reach that height, you have an equal chance no matter how much farther up you go. There might be some other unpleasant effects as you go higher (like frostbite). Maybe I am missing something here.

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    5. Re:Fifty foot fall by swb · · Score: 1

      I could have sworn that there was a news story in the past 10 years about a skydiver (in Australia?) whose primary and reserve parachutes did not open. He landed without any significant injuries.

  27. I think Stun was a new setting for blasters by Jurrasic · · Score: 1

    Developed only after the Jedi were already exterminated, since there is no sign of this setting prior to episode IV. Neener!

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  28. Wasnt this already done? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like their was a show on the science channel about the science of star wars and star trek. Hardly a myth.

  29. Re: by LehiNephi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    2000 Turbolasers and 2500 laser cannons isn't that much when you consider the size of the deathstar. A sphere with a diameter of 120km (according to Wikipedia) would have a surface area of over 45,000 sq.km. That leaves more than 10 sq. km. per weapon.

    I guess that's why Darth Vader had to send out the TIE fighters...

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  30. I spent the night in a Tauntaun by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I spent the night in a Tauntaun and all I got was this lousy lightsaber!"

  31. Re: by UltraAyla · · Score: 1

    plus, it blew up

  32. Been done with Buffalo by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly my thought. However, I'm wondering how they could imitate this kind of situation. Afterall there's no chance they'll kill some animal in some cold place and put one of their interns in it over night. That would be pretty cruel taking into account that it's just done "to be sure"...

    My understanding is that Buffalo were shot and gutted as emergency shelters in pioneering days, a bio lean-to, but maybe that's urban, uh no, non-urban myth. Further, that was to get out of the wind and rain, which seems quite plausible, not to get at a blanket of guts which seems to contradict the general survival rule of don't get wet.

    As far as getting a Buffalo carcass, that may actually be easily. Some Buffalo are raised and harvested as meat on private ranches. Catalina Island for example, not far from the Los Angeles area, offers Buffalo burgers at some of the local shops.

    1. Re:Been done with Buffalo by Onuma · · Score: 1

      Franchises like FuddRucker's often offer the Buffalo Burger. I worked at one in New Jersey when I was in high school and we served Buffalo and Ostrich too. They're way better than beef, albeit more expensive. I'm not sure how many buffalo ranches there are in New England, but I'd assume they can ship the meat from anywhere in the country and keep it fresh.

      Mmmm...buffalo-y

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  33. Does Leia prefer StormTroopers? by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 2, Funny

    What's creepier -- flirting with her brother, or flirting with the guards?

    1. Re:Does Leia prefer StormTroopers? by NullStmt · · Score: 1

      Umm, I would say the open mouth kiss with her brother in The Empire Strikes Back definitely qualifies as creepier.

    2. Re: Does Leia prefer StormTroopers? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      > What's creepier -- flirting with her brother, or flirting with the guards?

      How about coming out of the Ewok's pad wearing her pajamas?

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    3. Re:Does Leia prefer StormTroopers? by AlienSlav · · Score: 0

      Um...........ah......well try yahoo image search with the filter off and starwars as one word. hehehe yeh chewy DUDE \M/! AlienSlave

  34. At first... by darthservo · · Score: 1, Funny
    Actually, the Empire did look to Linux at first. However, they ran into a few complications:

    The drivers for a superlaser were unfortunately closed source, and the Empire didn't want to bother with reverse engineering or tools such as ImpDSWrapper.

    I think there were also problems in implementing ACPI with the huge reactor core. Every now and then, the tractor beams went into standby mode, and garbage crushers would unexpectedly shut off.

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  35. Ridiculous by seven+of+five · · Score: 0, Troll

    Star Wars is pure myth and eye candy with a pseudo sci fi coating. Analyzing or myth-busting it is just silly. What's next, Sound of Music? Wizard of Oz?

    1. Re:Ridiculous by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Sound of Music?

      Myth: The Hills are alive.

    2. Re:Ridiculous by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Actually... The Sound of Music was based in real facts.

    3. Re:Ridiculous by Kaioshin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sound of music? Yes, that's quite a good idea, really. I'd finally be able to find out once and for all if the absurd myth of children obeying other people can possibly be true.

    4. Re:Ridiculous by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      Star Wars is pure myth and eye candy with a pseudo sci fi coating. Analyzing or myth-busting it is just silly. What's next, Sound of Music? Wizard of Oz?

      The Flying Nun. That's a myth that really needs to be busted. I mean, what possible scientific justification is there for a nun that just flies over the hillsides? I mean, sure, her habit looked like it had little wings, but it's just not realistic, and it's high time the MythBusters or somebody like them took this on and debunked it.

    5. Re:Ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Wars is pure myth and eye candy with a pseudo sci fi coating. Analyzing or myth-busting it is just silly. What's next, Sound of Music? Wizard of Oz?

      Wizard of OZ you say... I have always wanted to drop a house on my mother in law ;P

  36. A bitter cold wind snapped across my face... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...as my eyes drifted to my faithful kanine of 20 years. The burning twisted sheets of metal left from my snow plow in the Artic were quickly fading like a flickering candle. Me and Sparky huddled closer together as the relentless pounding of sub zero weather tugged at our nutts like some twisted foreplay by the grim reaper's hands...

    The radio was dead. I could even feel my blood hardening like frost as I drew Sparky near. I knew what I had to do. I pulled out my buoy knife, gave Sparky a remorseful kiss on the forehead, and gutted him like a voodoo China Man cleaning a chicken and grinding it's magical liver into fertility powder. As Sparky's intenstines oozed all over me, sending bits of warm steam into the dark midnight sky, I couldn't help but recall the good times we had while eating grass together in the backyard. But it was over. I had done the unthinkable. No companion had served me so reliably and faithfully since that Cabbage Patch doll I took the closet and banged like a bunny rabbit as a teenager...

    Twenty three long hours had passed, and I knew Sparky would want me to fight on. So, I skinned his hide like removing the peeling from an apple and fastened myself a dog skin parka. Even the head was left intact and I could peer through the white haze of snow through his own two sockets I had just scraped clean. With one hand shielding my dog face against a stiff biting wind, I used the other to munch on some of Sparky's old frozen testicles like a cold marshmellow. I thought to myself, I can do this. I can make it. I WILL FIND A WAY!

  37. About the snow bank question.... by mblase · · Score: 1

    Could you survive a 50-foot fall into a snow bank like Luke Skywalker did?

    Sure you could. You could fall up to 130 feet if there was enough snow.

    1. Re:About the snow bank question.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, an airman from a British bomber during the second world war was reported to have fallen 40,000 feet...into a snowdrift...and survived. I'm guessing this beats the "130 feet".

    2. Re:About the snow bank question.... by Gadgycough · · Score: 1


      My father fell 700ft into snow in the Cairngorm mountian range whilst working for the MRT and walked away, and he was a Sky[e]-Walker, from Sky[e].

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  38. Re: by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Funny

    as well as 7,200 TIE fighters.

    "Sir. We are being attacked by approximately a dozen rebel fighters. But they're so small they're avoiding our turbo lasers"

    "Very well. We will attack them ship to ship. Launch 6 Tie Fighters"

    "6 sir? You do realise that we have another 7194 don't you?"

    "Good point. Get another 3 ready for launch".

  39. Sure, and the eagles could have just carried Frodo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a story.

    Relax. ;)

  40. have you ever smelled the insides of a dead animal by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can you survive overnight in a blizzard by gutting a dead animal and getting into its carcass?

    "It would have to be a pretty big animal, but have you ever smelled the insides of a dead animal?" Belleci asks. "I think I'd rather freeze to death."

    Hmmm, yes I have. It smelled like chicken or fish, depending on whether i was smelling a dead chicken or a dead fish.

    Boy, that was a tough one but I think we have that myth busted!

  41. What about hyperspace by gwatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about ftl (faster-than-light) travel? I think they might want to ask about that.

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    1. Re:What about hyperspace by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Easy. Einsteins theories only say that traveling as fast as light is impossible (unless mass = 0)... but from someones vantage point, particles that are always traveling faster than light could exist...

    2. Re:What about hyperspace by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      Einstein's theories (I assume you mean general relativity) are nice, but unfortunately, they're also incompatible with quantum mechanics. That's not to say they're totally invalid, of course, but clearly, they're not the end of it all, either.

      (That being said, I would be surprised if information transfer with speeds >c would be possible in any new theory that successfully integrates GR and QM.)

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  42. Ha Ha by advs89 · · Score: 0

    Ha ha ha... "Luke" warm!!

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  43. Change for a nickel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  44. Re: by Moofie · · Score: 1

    That's a grid of, what? Three kilometers between turrets? Seems dense enough, considering the size of the thing.

    What's the range of a turbolaser? Approximately half the lasers could bear on any given target? How many lasers do you need?

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  45. And I thought they smelled bad... on the outside by Dream1979 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You are right, its not like han squeezed in there too, and as much as Han is the man I doubt he would survive the night out in the opened on Hoth.

    Now a side note from a pissed off Star Wars fan. Why is it that R2 has these really cool thrusters in the past (Ep 1-3) but then he falls in the swamp on Dagobah? Why didn't he just fly to land? That has been bothering me since I saw him with the thrusters. Someone please tell me or I will have to personally hunt george lucas down.

  46. Breathing Inside of a Giant Spaceworm - Possible? by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    The Empire Strikes Back IMO was the best of all Star Wars movies, and I always wondered about Han & Crew on the Mynock Hunt breathing (using only flimsy masks and oxygen tanks) inside of a giant alien worm's mouth. I think they would have decompressed and died instantly...Oh well, I guess that's one myth that may never be busted.

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  47. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    ...wasn't how they survived the entire evening. It was just to keep Luke warm while Han built the shelter... Geeze

    Well, two things.

    One, the warmth was more useful in that he was already partially frozen and his core temperature was much reduced, in trying to avoid frostbite.

    Second, putting him inside a warm animal reduced the wind chill to nil by protecting him from the bitter cold - until the temperature of the animal insides dropped significantly.

    The concept is that a cold-weather animal would have a hide that reduced heat loss more than his current heat state.

    I suggest we field test it using Emperor Bush and Lord Cheney in the coldest climate we can find and see if either survives a 72-hour period of temperatures below -40 centigrade/celsius/fahrenheit.

    I'm willing to risk it if we use them as test subjects.

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  48. Midichlorians. by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No mention of the absolute Worst. Star Wars tech. Ever. I suppose midichlorians are so bad they needn't be dignified with a debunking.

    I nearly walked out on Episode I because of them. Reducing The Force to a symbiotic critter in your bloodstream is just plain wrong. I don't know what kind of crack Lucas was smoking when he came up with that concept. But I suspect it would do permanent brain damage, hence the quality of the Prequel Trilogy.

    Lack of exposure to this substance would explain why Genndy Tartakovsky actually did a good job on the Clone Wars shorts.

    Midichlorians. I hate those guys.

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    1. Re:Midichlorians. by bryantthesmith · · Score: 1

      You're just jealous because that little brat Anakin has a higher Midiclorian count than you do. I bet if you had an ultra-high count like him you wouldn't be bad-mouthing the little critters.

    2. Re:Midichlorians. by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      I nearly walked out on Episode I because of them. Reducing The Force to a symbiotic critter in your bloodstream is just plain wrong. I don't know what kind of crack Lucas was smoking when he came up with that concept.

      One crackpot theory I've heard is that "midichlorians", which you apparently get from your mother, are a thinly veiled parallel to the Jews-- their "god's chosen people" stuff-- and the matrilinear inheritance rule in orthodox Judaism. Sounds like typical "Jews run Hollywood" conspiracy theory to me.

      Whatever it is, I tatally agree. Midichlorians took what was once an immensely gratifying bit of play-mysticism that was theoretically accessible to all, wherein any child with sufficient imagination could see themselves developing Jedi powers through hard work and practice, and reduced it to "either you got the bugs in yer blood, or you don't". One of many ways that jackass Lucas took our childhood dreams and smeared crap all over 'em.

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    3. Re:Midichlorians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, it could just be referring to Mitochondria ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria ) which:

      1. You inherit from your mother.
      2. According to modern theory, were formerly symbiotic bacteria, though now they've co-evolved with lifeforms enough to be simply organelles instead.
      3. Have their own DNA, completely seperate from human nuclear DNA.
      4. Convert organic materials (food) into energy (ATP) for cellular consumption.

      The difference? Mitochondria exist, Midichlorians do not. Midichlorians also give Jedis access to The Force.

    4. Re:Midichlorians. by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      suppose midichlorians are so bad they needn't be dignified with a debunking.

      I nearly walked out on Episode I because of them. Reducing The Force to a symbiotic critter in your bloodstream is just plain wrong. I don't know what kind of crack Lucas was smoking when he came up with that concept.

      It's really very simple. Lucas put The Force into the first three movies. The Force is an inherently supernatural concept, and it's part of the appeal of the movies. But by the time the prequels rolled around, Lucas was embarrassed by the fact that he'd put a supernatural element into the movies. So, he did his best to explain it away to ease his embarrassment. The fact that the midichlorian explanation was exceedingly contrived and bogus didn't deter him, because the goal of eliminating any reference to the supernatural was a high priority.

      Just why this is I don't know. It could be because his personal views in that area had changed. Or it could just be that he realized expressing any belief in the supernatural had become unfashionable.

    5. Re:Midichlorians. by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

      Simple. Lucas played way too much Parasite Eve. ;-)

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    6. Re:Midichlorians. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An easy way to solve this inconsistancy in the universe is to retcon it that obi-wan didn't know what he was talking about when explaining them as he isnt a scientist and midichlorians are actually microorganisms that only can live in a force sensitive individual, a high count indicating a high level of force ability.

    7. Re:Midichlorians. by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      Reducing The Force to a symbiotic critter in your bloodstream is just plain wrong.

      I never understand why people are so upset about this. Isn't this actually consistent with what Obi Wan told Luke? "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field, created by all living things." Well, if it's created by living things, then how exactly is it created? Turns out that all living things have these midichlorians in them, and that's where it comes from.

      There never was (IMHO) any intent to imply that The Force was totally unknown, magical, and "Just There." We've known for nearly 30 years that living beings themselves somehow create The Force. What remains mystical is how people can control it and that ability, more than anything, is probably what makes Jedi Jedi.

    8. Re:Midichlorians. by Tiny+Elvis · · Score: 1

      What? hold on! Belief in the supernatural has become unfashionable? You better tell that to like 80% of Americans because belief in all kinds of supernatural bullshit is rampant here. Skepticism is what has become unfashionable.

    9. Re:Midichlorians. by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      Or, you know, it could just be referring to Mitochondria

      Well yeah, it's patently obvious that the biological basis of midichlorians is a poorly disguised knock-off of mitochondria. The crackpot theory is more about the philosophical aspect of the force, i.e. that capacity for Jedi powers are something you are born with, rather than something anyone can achieve through study.

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  49. Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by TechieHermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Dig a cave in a snowbank, pack the snow down nice and hard, wrap up in as many blankets as you can, and light candles. The temperature will get up around 40 or 50 and you'll be ok. It's an old trick, but a good trick -- snow is an excellent insulator.

    An alternate technique, if the snow is deep enough, is to dig a circular pit around a tree, down to the base of the tree, and tie a tarp around the top of the hole to keep the wind out. The snowbank trick is better, though, especially because you can pile up your own snowbank, pack it, and tunnel into it. :)

    1. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can dig a tunnel in deep snow (without it collapsing) this is better than packing it. The more air you trap, the better the insulator.

    2. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by viksit · · Score: 1

      But what about oxygen? Won't it be restricted? And if its a blizzard, you can get buried...

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    3. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by Forbman · · Score: 1

      You want dry snow to do this with as well. The wet stuff that falls typically in the Cascade Mts isn't too good at this. At 40-50 degs, it'll be melting rather quickly, you'll get wet and get hypothermia anyways. It wouldn't do you well in a good ol' Dakota/Wyoming/Montana Blizzard, though, if you were out in the open, because any stacked up snow would blow away rather quickly, and unless there already was snow pack, there wouldn't be too much snowpack to dig into.

      Plus, you're assuming you have blankets with you...

      As far as the horse guts go, I imagine the bacterial action in their intestines working to break down any ingested hay still keeps working for some time, putting out enough heat to keep you warm enough.

    4. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dig a circular pit around a tree, down to the base of the tree, and tie a tarp around the top of [...]

      I guess "Use the Tree" just didn't sound as catchy as "Use the Force".

    5. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a decent ammount of air in snow. People have survived avalanches by creating a small air pocket infront of their face and breathing the air out of the snow.

      Generally if you were using this type of snow shelter in a blizzard it would be in an emergency situation and you would not be sleeping. So there is plenty of time to clear snow so that you won't get burried. In a non emergency you would use a better shelter that would have a vent hole that would stay clear.

    6. Re:Actually, if you want to survive a blizzard... by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      I think the idea is to make the hole big enough so that the air up by the snow wall isn't 40-50 degrees... There'll be a warm area in the middle, and as you move further out it'll get cooler (we're only talking about a candle, here, not a campfire). If you build it right, the air isn't going to be moving around that much, other than a little convection from the candle.

      Wet snow implies that you're right around 32 degrees, not in the subzero cold I'm talking about. If you're in cold, WET conditions you're basically screwed right from the get-go. No solution is perfect, ha ha.

      As far as windswept plains go, well, you'd probably not be stuck under those conditions, right? Cars travel fairly well when they're not buried. And people usually don't wander around windswept plains, anyway. Still, I suppose you could dig a foxhole and use your tent to trap air, and warm it with your candle. That'd probably work.

      About the blankets and candles: if you're travelling in an area in which you might get stuck in a blizzard, wouldn't you have an emergency kit (shovel, blankets, candles, etc) of some kind in your car or backpack? We're not talking about expensive stuff, here. Most people who live in cold areas prepare for this sort of thing. I've got a ton of stuff in MY trunk.

      By the way, a friend of mine who lives up by the Canadian border actually built a snow shelter with his daughter for fun, out in his yard. It was under 10 degrees outside, but she had it nice and comfortable in the shelter with a single candle. They piled up a big mound of snow, packed it nice and tight, and tunneled into it. Sort of a poor-man's igloo. He said he was totally comfortable in his shirtsleeves inside. Interesting stuff.

      Cheers! ;)

  50. This might take a while by glwtta · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Can laser beams travel so slowly that you can see their progress?

    Can mobs of various primitive, semi-sentient beings repeatedly defeat large imperial armies (presumably with state of the art training and equipment), by throwing random objects at them?

    Can ships exploding in space not only make a lot of noise, but also not annihilate other ships in close proximity?

    Can you really cover the same distance in varying numbers of parallax seconds?

    Can all religion be explained with symbiotic micro-organisms?

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    1. Re:This might take a while by AlterTick · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Can laser beams travel so slowly that you can see their progress?

      They're not lasers. There's a variety of speculative explanations for the name "turbolaser", most common among them being semantic drift-- i.e. a turbolaser is no more a laser than one of us "dialing" or "hanging up" a cell phone involves spinning a numbered plastic dial or hanging a heavy earpiece on a spring loaded hook. From StarDestroyer.net:

      Turbolasers fire intense blasts of energy at their targets. There is some debate as to whether turbolasers are lasers or some sort of particle-beam weapon such as a plasma cannon (either function would be consistent with the word "turbolaser"). The SWVD states that blasters and turbolasers "use high-energy gas as ammunition, activated by a power cell and converted into plasma. The plasma is released from a magnetic bottle effect to fire through collimating components as a coherent energy bolt". Obviously, this strongly suggests that the plasma-weapon interpretation of turbolaser operating principles is valid.

      Can mobs of various primitive, semi-sentient beings repeatedly defeat large imperial armies (presumably with state of the art training and equipment), by throwing random objects at them?

      (from StarDestroyer.net:

      Training: According to the SWE, stormtroopers live in a totally disciplined, militaristic environment, and their intense dedication and training means that they cannot be bribed or blackmailed. Their marksmanship is generally very good and is sometimes superb. If you monitor their combat effectiveness in ANH, TESB, and ROTJ, you will note that they regularly score hits at ranges of more than 20 metres while shooting from the hip, which is as much as anyone can reasonably expect. One stormtrooper missed Han Solo's head by less than an inch in the ANH detention centre battle, and stormtroopers hit Leia and R2D2 with snap-shots from all the way across the clearing in ROTJ. They also inflicted heavy casualties on the Ewoks in ROTJ despite the Ewoks' advantages of surprise, terrain familiarity, large numbers of traps, small size, and camouflage colouration.

      In fact, they were clearly and decisively winning the battle despite being caught unawares without any heavy weapons or preparation (there is a strong possibility that their helmet threat identification systems didn't even pick up on the Ewoks at all). The film shied away from showing most of the Ewok casualties for obvious reasons (much as early WW2 propaganda footage glossed over the magnitude of D-Day casualties), but the novelization made it quite clear that after the complacent troops were ambushed, they quickly regained their composure and began to inflict heavy casualties, despite the forested terrain (which is naturally hostile to high-tech warfare) and their poorly chosen white suits (camouflage suits are also available, but they didn't use them).

      Can (a)ships exploding in space not only make a lot of noise, but also (b)not annihilate other ships in close proximity?

      (a) The explosion sound is either dubbed in later by the persons assembling historical footage with no sound, or it is the sound of EM noise from turbolaser hits heard and recorded via the common "guard" frequency of all ship radios. Yeah, cheap cop out arguments, but they're vaguely plausible. If you're going to attack the realism, you have to work from the premise that the footage was taken by combat photographers and put together by imperial or rebel propaganda departments.

      (b) Apparantly so. They have shield technology, so why not?

      Can you really cover the same distance in varying numbers of parallax seconds?

      For the famous "Kessel run/parsecs" quote, it has been explained that the run in question is littered with an assortment of dangerous stellar objects. The safest

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    2. Re:This might take a while by geekoid · · Score: 1

      What lasers? I saw a lot of blasters.

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    3. Re:This might take a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Blasters aren't lasers, they're plasma bolts.

      Stormtroopers are conscripts and are thus given the worst tech and training possible aside from the brainwashing.

      Assuming weaponry of the future continues to advance, if a star destroyer's shields can take repeated blaster blasts, it can take a few antimatter explosions. Can energy shields exist? Quantum physics says yes. Does that means it's true? Maybe.

      It's not the same distance, if you mean the Kessel run. It's a black-hole maze, and you can safely pass closer to the black holes if you are going faster.

      No, only Jedi-ism, buddhism, shintoism, kaballah, norse paganism, north american paganism, and scientology.

      Next.

    4. Re:This might take a while by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Can (a)ships exploding in space not only make a lot of noise, but also (b)not annihilate other ships in close proximity?"

      It has been said since star wars came out, that it would make sense to have a system that interpets things in space and give the listener audio clues about their suroundings.

      Also, if the ship can travel faster then light speed, it had beter be able to withstand the explosion of a near by ship. Because a 1 kilo rock hit at light speed creates a pretty big explosion.

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    5. Re:This might take a while by AlienSlav · · Score: 0

      One more can an small exploding star fighter create and sustain a huge blossoming fire ball in a vacuum. AlienSlave

    6. Re:This might take a while by Forbman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can mobs of various primitive, semi-sentient beings repeatedly defeat large imperial armies (presumably with state of the art training and equipment), by throwing random objects at them?

      Well, if they're motivated enough. Look at how well it's working in Iraq...

    7. Re:This might take a while by a_peckover · · Score: 1

      Do ships in Star Wars have navigational deflectors like they do in Star Trek ?

    8. Re:This might take a while by CZA2006 · · Score: 0
      Can laser beams travel so slowly that you can see their progress?
      You wouldn't 'see' their progress unless your eyes were the target, as the light wouldn't spread or get scattered into your eyes. If you were the target, well, I think you'd have other things to do than 'see' its progress.
    9. Re:This might take a while by m50d · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you're going through hyperspace - the whole point is to get there faster by covering a shorter distance at the same speed.

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    10. Re:This might take a while by AlterTick · · Score: 1
      Do ships in Star Wars have navigational deflectors like they do in Star Trek ? Of course. Like the man said, even sublight navigation would be very short and end badly without some way to deflect small physical objects. There is no specific mention of "navigational deflectors", but that's largely because Star Wars writing tends to be less about the "particle of the week" and pseudo-tech mumbo-jumbo. Nevertheless, particle shields do exist in the SW universe. From stardestroyer.net:
      Not only are particle-shields referenced in the SWEGWT as well as every other official source, but we saw specialized particle-shields in TPM such as the Gungan "hydrostatic" field that kept water out of the Otoh Gunga underwater city-spheres as well as the "Bongo" personal watercraft. Furthermore, the canon ANH novelization clearly states that the Falcon's deflector shields saved it from instant destruction when it emerged from hyperspace into the "meteor shower" that was Alderaan.
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  51. Chewbacca defense by stud9920 · · Score: 1

    next thing, the mythbusters will check if there are wookiees on Endor's moon.

  52. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

    Wait; is your suggestion along the lines of stuffing Bush into Cheney? Or the other way around?

  53. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Artoo was in top shape in the new trilogy. He worked on the Queen's flagship in Ep 1, and served alternatively a senator and a Jedi in Eps2 and 3. By Ep 4 he had spent twenty-some years on the Tantive IV and was full of dents (check out the dome in the beginning of ANH). I have no doubt that he was practically falling apart by the time that Luke took him over. And Luke wasn't the mechanic that Anakin was. He couldn't even hack a way to see the whole damned recording!

    Or it just could be that the boosters were removed because they weren't needed on the Tantive IV. I can't imagine that setting off thrusters on a small spaceship would be a good idea.

  54. If bullfighting is art... by bufalo_1973 · · Score: 2

    ...cannibalism is gastronomy.

    Bullfighting is like Gladiators and the day it disappears I'll be happy. And I'm Spaniard.

  55. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Wait; is your suggestion along the lines of stuffing Bush into Cheney? Or the other way around?

    No, that would be an invalid experiment. Neither, to my knowledge, has sufficient body hair to test the hypothesis. I was thinking more along the lines of a cold-weather adapted large animal or two, such as a polar bear, especially since they're dying off anyway due to global warming and using them in the experiment might help them adapt to reduced resources.

    However, the problem arises in finding the controls. I suggest we just randomly pick up some US citizens and use them, since they seem to have no problems in giving up their rights, as the controls.

    We should also retest using non-haired large animals (like seals), and non-insulated non-cold-weather-adapted animals (like say giraffes).

    Should all the test subjects (human) die during the trials, we could note if they survived the first (optimal) trial with the large hairy cold-weather animals.

    Admittedly, since the T count is fairly low, we couldn't call this statistically significant, but we could use it to design a larger study if there appears to be a possible effect.

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  56. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by idonthack · · Score: 1
    non-haired large animals (like seals)
    Seals have fur. Try something like a dolphin, or a small whale.
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  57. Don't skip the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plenty of pictures of Tory :-)

  58. Crazy mods by idonthack · · Score: 1

    Insightful? Come on. It would be obvious to a monkey that's the entire point, why does it need to be explained?

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  59. Re:Breathing Inside of a Giant Spaceworm - Possibl by OK+PC · · Score: 1

    Farnsworth: "This is a chance for Fry to test out my experimental anti-pressure pill."
    Fry: "I can't swallow that!"
    Farnsworth: "Well then, good news! It's a suppository."

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  60. Ok.. let's get serious now... by jbuilder · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do ANY of the myths they debunk involve Kari wearing that bronze bikini princess leia wore in Ep 6? If not then I really don't see the point in any further discussion.

    And if any of the discussion DOES involve that bikini for GOD sake please take pictures!

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  61. Star Wars people are not human by elstumpo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In their experiments, did they consider that the characters in Star Wars are not human beings, but members of an alien race with unspecified physiologies?

  62. Re:Breathing Inside of a Giant Spaceworm - Possibl by Detritus · · Score: 1
    You can make a workable space suit out of an elastic leotard and a pressurized helmet. The suit does not have to be air tight. The elasticity of the leotard produces pressure on the skin that duplicates the effect of normal atmopheric pressure. The pressurized helmet is needed to keep gas exchange in the lungs functioning properly.

    People do not blow up when exposed to a vacuum. They rapidly lose consciousness due to lack of oxygen and outgassing through the lungs.

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  63. CAUTION by geekoid · · Score: 1

    If it gets 2 warm, you will die. The snow will melt and you well get wet and die.

    DId I mention you could DIE!

    good. This knowledge would have saved a troop of scouts from freezing to death.

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    1. Re:CAUTION by TechieHermit · · Score: 1

      You DO realize we're only lighting a candle, not a thermite charge, right?

      Yeeeesssssss.... So take it easy with the strange capitalization. People have been doing this technique for hundreds of years, and they generally don't suddenly "get wet and die".

  64. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 1

    could of ran out of fuel and had them removed so he couldn't escape the scrappers

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  65. Yes, in the Winter of the deep snow, 1830.. by the_rajah · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here in Central Illinois, the story is well known of a circuit riding preacher who was caught out in the sub-sero temperatures of the initial blizzard that started on December 20th, 1830. He managed to survive the night by killing his horse and using it's body warmth. For over two weeks the temperature stayed below -12 degrees F. The article here doen't have that story, but it does describe the conditions that Winter.

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  66. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by dswensen · · Score: 1

    I always just assumed his next owner stripped him for parts.

  67. Superman! by ylikone · · Score: 1

    Wow, did the guy that survived a 2000 foot drop continue on to become a superman and save the world from evil villians?!

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  68. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "You are right, its not like han squeezed in there too, and as much as Han is the man I doubt he would survive the night out in the opened on Hoth. "

    correct, which is why he set up the shelter.

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  69. Mitochondrion by csirac · · Score: 1

    "Midicholorion" is based on the real cellular biology term "Mitochondrion", but you probably already knew that.

    From wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midichlorian
    The word "midi-chlorian" appears to be a blend of "mitochondrion" and "chloroplast", two organelles found in real cells and thought to have evolved from bacteria as endosymbionts inside other cells, as purported in the endosymbiotic theory. Lucas has indeed stated that the midi-chlorians are based on the endosymbiotic theory, and it appears that in the story of Anakin Skywalker, he wanted to create a more modern "virgin birth" in the Star Wars saga that was as much based in science as in philosophy and religion, with the mythic "givers of life" being microscopic lifeforms, rather than gods.

    More at BBSpot: Lucas Confirms Midichlorian Inquiry

  70. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

    Anakin himself added most of those quirky mods to R2-D2. After he was out of the picture, R2-D2 and C-3P0 were assigned to Captain Antilles on the Tantive IV, where there was probably little use for some of those oddball (and probably high-maintenence) additions.

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  71. obligatory.... by conteXXt · · Score: 1

    I believe the empire *DID* have plans for a beowolf cluster though.

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  72. Re: by Galvatron · · Score: 1

    Clearly they don't consider a small, one man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense.

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  73. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bur with global warming, you're not going to be able to find any (naturally occuring) temperatures below -40

  74. Polly Tauntaun by ePhil_One · · Score: 1

    Though I think a better name would be Tommy Tauntaun

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  75. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by TechieHermit · · Score: 4, Funny

    BORING! Why don't we do the first round of tests MY way:

    HYPOTHETICAL SATIRICAL SITUATION:

    Lab Technician: "Hello, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, are you ready to participate in the test?"

    Bush: "I dunno. Guess so."

    Cheney: "Get on with it!"

    Lab Tech: Yessss.... Allllrighty, then. Here are your implements, gentlemen..." (Hands each of the men a plastic serrated butterknife and a spork).

    Bush: "What're these for? Is it lunchtime? I like lunchtime."

    Lab Tech: "NOT exactly, although it COULD be. It depends. We'll see how it goes. Ok, gentlemen, in your hands are a plastic picnic knife and spork. Once I leave the room, we'll dial the temperature down to around 50 below, and you'll use your implements to cut open and prepare a large, hairy animal to use as an emergency sleeping bag. We'll open the doors in the morning. Good luck!" (dashes out of the room and slams a door).

    Cheney: "Hey, FUCK YOU! What the hell's going on around here? This was supposed to be a meeting with lobbyists!"

    Bush: "I'm ascared, Mr. Cheney. Somethin's not right around here..."

    Cheney: "Oh, for God's sake, grow a spine already. HEY! LAB NERD! WHAT ARE YOU UP TO UP THERE??"

    Lab Tech (in a glass enclosed observation deck): "Ah! You noticed me! Well, I'm preparing your sleeping bag."

    Cheney: "What the hell are you babbling about?"

    Lab Tech: "Look to your left, gentlemen, I'd like you to meet Mama Jones. She's a 1,000 pound polar bear who has been chased out of her environment by your energy policy. She hasn't been fed in several weeks and we've put her cubs in a room a few hundred yards from here. We took the liberty of spraying you with some of their scent, just to make things more interesting."

    Bush: "Wait; you what?"

    Cheney: "Bullshit! This is nuts. Open the door or I'm going to rip your nuts off and feed them to you!"

    Lab Tech: "That's the spirit! Well, good luck, gentlemen. Ah, here's Mama Jones now."

    Mama Jones: "ROOOOOAOR!"

    Lab Tech (to fellow grad students): "Ok, I've got twenty to one that Cheney shoves Bush at the bear within the first five minutes, do i have any takers? Yes! Apu, for fifty! I can cover that...

  76. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to put Bush into Dick? Did you fail sex ed?

  77. Re:PETA and insects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong dumbfuck. PETA on bees:
    http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=12 2
    PETA on silkworms, and spiders(probably the least cute insect imagineable):
    http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=12 1

    It's tempting to try to try to grasp at others imagined inconsistencies when you yourself know deep down the inconsistency in yourself. You try to tell yourself that you are against inflicting torturous suffering for no good reason, but then you can't give up your little addiction to the yummy taste of burgers or the nice feel of wearing leather shoes etc.

  78. Re:have you ever smelled the insides of a dead ani by Forbman · · Score: 1

    Actually, ruminant entrails smell like...ruminant entrails. Definitely not like chicken or fish (or rotting chicken or fish).

  79. You know.... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    > Wrong dumbfuck. PETA on bees:
    > PETA on silkworms, and spiders(probably the least cute insect imagineable):

    If you're going to go around someone a "dumbfuck", you probably ought not to make such a grade-school mistake as conflating spiders with insects.

    cya,
    john

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    1. Re:You know.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stand corrected, spiders are not insects. The thrust of my argument remains valid.

  80. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by rylin · · Score: 1
    The warranty on the thruster-parts ran out. Honestly!
    The magazine, Star Wars Insider Issue 62, explains that R2's manufacturers at Industrial Automation had limited their factory warranty on astromech rockets to about 20 years, which would explain why R2 doesn't have his rockets in the Original Trilogy. He also had another set of rockets in a cut scene in The Phantom Menace, where he falls off a Coruscant landing platform, only to be saved by his rockets.
    Google-cached wikipedia entry
  81. Light Sabre Jacuzzi by triclipse · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always wondered why Luke didn't just stick his light sabre in the snow to create a nice, toasty light sabre Jacuzzi.

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    1. Re:Light Sabre Jacuzzi by virg_mattes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, assuming that the lightsaber radiates enough heat to melt a door (as seen in the "Negotiations" scene of The Phantom Menace, you'd have several problems. First, containment. What holds the hot water? The surrounding ice? That would melt too, and your "Jacuzzi" would lose its shape. Second, temperature differential. To melt the snow/heat the water, you'd need to plunge the lightsaber into it, which would create a super-hotspot in the water. Sure, you could stir it around, but you'd risk scalding to the extreme. Third, steam. Plunging a lightsaber that can melt metal into a snowbank would result in a steam jet that could potentially cook your goose before you could get out of its way.

      So, no go.

      Virg

  82. A Fighting Chance by CustomDesigned · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Normally, the bull would be butchered out of sight and made into steaks and hamburgers. Hopefully, the butcher tries to make this relatively painless for the bull. However, at a bull fight, while the bull usually dies a more painful death, it is also more exciting - and there is a small but significant chance that he can gore the bull fighter first.

    Questions for you as a Spaniard:

    • What happens to the bull when it wins? Do they kill it anyway, or does it get to go out to pasture or something?
    • What happens to the bull when it loses? Does it get eaten, or thrown away.

    While I would rather skip the bullfight also, my ethical sense says that a winning bull should go to pasture (like a few lucky turkeys here in the States that get a "pardon" from the President every year), and that a losing bull should get eaten rather than wasted - as pet food if health regulations won't allow it for human consumption.

    1. Re:A Fighting Chance by KermitJunior · · Score: 1

      IANAS (I am not a Spaniard) however... if the bull wins, he gets a second chance at life and is put to pasture.

      If he loses, he is eaten... some places give him to the less fortunate in the area.

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    2. Re:A Fighting Chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the parent poster, but I'm also from Spain. The answers to your questions are:

      a) The bull never wins. Even if it manages to kill the bullfighter, there are plenty of assistants to finish it. However, it can be indulted if its performance is specially good. In that case (after it recovers from the wounds), it's used as a stallion. Not a bad future, I suppose. If you're not familiar with bullfighting, let me tell you that one of the main reasons the bull is not usually able to successfully attack the fighter is that before the fight it is hit with an awfully long blade (called "pica" or "puya", I don't know the word in English) from a horse.

      b) It gets eaten.

    3. Re:A Fighting Chance by mmaddox · · Score: 1

      I recommend you read Hemingway's Death in the Afternoon. Ernest Hemingway was a great fan of the fights--even recognized as an aficionado by the Spanish. This book provides an intimate account of the fights and the participants--an excellent first resource for someone interested in the spectacle.

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  83. Re:Things to know about Chuck Norris: by splatterboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Things to know about Chuck Norris: 1. Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried. 2. Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits. 3. Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs. 4. The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain. 5. Chuck Norris defines love as the reluctance to murder. If you're still alive, it's because Chuck Norris loves you. 6. Chuck Norris isn't hung like a horse. Horses are hung like Chuck Norris. 7. If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you can't see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death. 8. Rather than being birthed like a normal child, Chuck Norris instead decided to punch his way out of his mother's womb. 9. There are no disabled people. Only people who have met Chuck Norris. 10. Chuck Norris can win a game of Monopoly without owning any property. 11. There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.

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  84. Re:have you ever smelled the insides of a dead ani by Stealth+Potato · · Score: 1

    I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that "The Ruminant Entrails" would be a great name for a rock band.

  85. Re:have you ever smelled the insides of a dead ani by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 1

    If you don't cut the digestive tube open it should'nt smell much different.

  86. Yoda's native language by dido · · Score: 1

    While we don't know exactly where he came from or seen others of his species, it may be that Yoda's native language does make use of the OSV pattern that he tends to use, and he winds up reverting to that word order from time to time (he doesn't always speak like that, by the way).

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  87. Enough of this. Someone post some Kari Pictures by boot1973 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thank you

  88. Your arguments are all good and valid by Timberwolf0122 · · Score: 1

    But I think it is worth all of us to remember the words of Joel and Mike from the Saterlite of Love.

    "If your wondering how he eats and breaths and other science fact, just say to your self it's just a show and should realy just relax."

    That said I recon a light saber uses a magneticaly confined plasma stream that flows over a force feild thus giving it plasma cutting power with a solid core.

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    1. Re:Your arguments are all good and valid by Kitanis · · Score: 1

      Earch to all those who took this discussion "to heart" IT WAS A FREAKING MOVIE!!!! Why the Mythbusters would choose this subject is beyond me. But now my geekeness comes out and I have to make the comment.. "A Long Time Ago.. in a Galaxy Far Away........."

  89. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the explaination on the UK's Channel 4's big fat quiz of the year at Christmas. Someone said it's as if R2D2 had a nervous breakdown between the films, going from an action hero who can fly to someone who just goes around slowly beeping.

  90. What about the guns WW II bomber style??? by deadweight · · Score: 1

    I remember, even as a little kid, thinking the manually aimed guns that seemed to stick out of open windows like a B-17 machine gun from WW II would be pretty hard to aim at space ships closing in at several thousand MPH as well as one hell of an air leak.

    1. Re:What about the guns WW II bomber style??? by virg_mattes · · Score: 1

      Take a closer look at the movie again. The chairs in the Millenium Falcon were not directly attached to the turret guns outside on the hull, and they both had and used targeting computers to aim.

      Virg

  91. Re:And I thought they smelled bad... on the outsid by Yusaku+Godai · · Score: 1

    I would also note that even if the thrusters were still working by Ep. V, we're talking a relatively short fall here, with no more than a second to engage the thrusters. I'd have to go back and check exactly how long it takes, but I'd imagine that when he does use them he has a little more time.

  92. Re:That Tauntaun thing... how to test it by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Seals have fur. Try something like a dolphin, or a small whale.

    Dolpins aren't arctic-climate. How about an orca?

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  93. Re:PETA and insects by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    It's tempting to try to try to grasp at others imagined inconsistencies when you yourself know deep down the inconsistency in yourself. You try to tell yourself that you are against inflicting torturous suffering for no good reason, but then you can't give up your little addiction to the yummy taste of burgers or the nice feel of wearing leather shoes etc.

    It's just a joke. It's okay to kill ugly animals, for any reason?!? If you took me seriously, you're seriously stupid.

  94. Re:Midichlorians and Anakin's conception by chiefnerd · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine had an interesting theory related to the basically "immaculate conception" of Anakin by midichlorians. Remember when Sidious/Palpatine was describing his former master, Darth Plagueis, he mentioned that he was able to create life. What if the conception of Anakin was caused by Plagueis or Palpatine's use of this power?

    Interesting thought...

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  95. Re:Midichlorians and Anakin's conception by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I believe this is precisely what they were insinuating.

    I don't necessarily *like* it, but it does seem to be what they were insinuating.

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  96. Re:PETA and insects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before you call me stupid, you need to brush up on your comedy skills. There are plenty of people who think that ugliness in an animal is justification for killing it. There are also plenty of people who believe that PETA are only interested in animal rights because animals are cute.

  97. Re:PETA and insects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, PETA is just a magnet for super crazy kill everyone but "The Enlightened" asshats and should not be suffered to live.

    Posting Humously for those promised Karmic rewards, sweet sweet karma.