Had Microsoft not existed, these companies might have had a chance to secure more market share.
These guys had plenty of chances to secure more market share...they failed.
It is also speculation that if there were more than two players on the PC realm, interoperability and standards might have been more important and faster in coming.
I mean look at Apple and Windows and Linux. How compatible are they, without using special translation software?
If you refuse to admit they did positive things for the computer community you are either:
1) A complete and utter moron who has his head stuck in the dirt
2) An ignorant son of a bitch who is just trying to bad mouth MS in the attempts of scoring a couple of positive mod points due to the nature of this board liking most things anti-MS
3) Pathetic
Gee, I remember something called the Apple II doing this long before microsoft was the force it was. What a maroon.
Except, as this guy said, Apple products cost a whole lot! Imagine the cost of Apple products if there weren't any Windows products. How does $4000 for a mac mini sound to you?
The fact is, his article has a point - here on/. everyone bashes and looks at the bad of MS, and refuses to look at the good of MS - and they have made a lot of good. I am sure many of the/.'ers here use, and buy (or pirate) Windows and other MS products. I am sure many of the/.'ers here would regret not having windows.
I don't know if i agree totally. Maybe he was just trying to turn the table. After all, many people (especially here on/.) just outrightdismiss Windows because it is a product of MS.
He is correct, MS and Windows did bring a LOT of positive things to the computing community.
Change in the bathroom at work. It takes you all of five minutes. So stop exaggerating so you can curse. And stop being an asshole behind your veil of anonymity.
Where do you get this logic from? Just because you own the uniform does not mean you can act how you please while wearing it. You are expected, and do have a moral obligation, to act within certain boundries while wearing that uniform. You misbehaving could cause harm to the company - will you pay them for that?
Your comments are very nice, and maybe applicable in your work setting - but in most work settings (and I have been in a few) the bosses just say "hey we need you to work those extra hours. When review time comes, we will surely appreciate it. If you are not willing to work at least 50 hours a week, we can find someone to replace you." Come review time your boss is saying "here is 2%. Thanks and have a nice day"
Go on monster...many salaried jobs flat out state you will work more then 40/week.
And it is not about being brave - it is about realizing you need a paycheck and the market may not be so hot (presently it takes about six months to find a new job, and that is not gauranteeing it will be any better).
With one exception...if you decide to wear my company uniform off the clock, you had better be on your best behavior. If you get in a fight with someone, throw a drink at a client (even though you didn't know it was a client), go make comments on the news then yes I have a right to get upset with you and fire you. Take the uniform off and then do whatever you please.
That is acceptable. I do not believe that it is acceptable for an employer to tell me who I can or cannot hang out with. I do agree that a boss should NOT date/see/sleep with/marry a subordinate. This has proven time and time again to be bad news for EVERYONE.
People are so obsessed with the numbers that show on their paycheck that they forget that their work habbits are creeping into their personal lives and causing serious issues.
Yea, easily said. How about this response "You don't like our corporate policies, then quit. Someone else will do your job. Have fun paying the mortgage."
Unfortunately, bosses do have us by the balls. Yes you can look for a new job, but that boss can screw you as well. you just have to get lucky or form your own company (not that easy).
Most companies who have salaried employees equate that to mean you WILL work over 40 hours per week.
I am lucky that in my department, my boss compensates us with some off time. So if I come in on a Sunday, I get about (no hard numbers) 75% of that time in time off at some chosen date. Other departments in my company do NOT get that.
Man my company takes us out for happy hours. I guess we should all sit in separate booths. How do you expect people who spend eight or more hours a day together not to possibly hang out after work? Also, this has got to be constitutionally illegal. I can't talk with someone after work because we work for the same company? What happens if I work in a large (10,000+) company and meet someone coincidentally at a bar...what I have to ignore them? What if my brother gets hired at the company I work for (I work for a small firm,
This is lame, and I am sure unconstitutional (some lawyer on here can probably find a rule better then I can).
Lets not forget - it's my own time - so go FUCK OFF!
If I can go to may local grocer and buy arugula, I ought to be able to go to my local computer store and buy a plain three button mouse.
What does this have to do with our discussion? If I had 5 mod points (haven't seen a mod-point in many months) I would use em all for your last statement. You need to explain it.
But to respond to your arugula. I love Israeli mayoneasse. It is very different then American Mayoneasse. There is a large Israeli food section in a SuperMarket close to me. They do not have what I want. They say they do not have it because there isn't a high demand for it. They are not trying to screw me - they just realize they will incure more costs importing a product that very few people want. But as I posted, there are plenty of links to buy three button, plain white mice. As for, if your local store has a plain three button mouse, I cannot answer that as I do not know where you shop. I know MicroCenter near Philadelphia does.
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Yea, as opposed to beating them or rewarding them for being bad.
And your welcome oh wise one.
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I won't give my kids everything they want. They have to earn it in some way (acting nice, getting good grade, etc.) - but during X-Mas/Channakuh, unless the kids are really hellions, they expect and deserve a gift and they get nice gifts. At least in my life, $360 (for console and game) is not that big of a deal to make my kids happy. I spent more then that on my laptop, my desktop, my tv, dvd/vcr combo, etc.
Besides, who could deny the look of rapture you get from your kid as they see that wonderful new toy. Yes it lasts for 2.1 seconds, but it is teh b3st 2.1 s3conds EV4R:)
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Do you understand that buying this, as well as lots of overpriced games, is entirely optional?
Democrats overwhelmingly opposed CAFTA, arguing that free trade agreements negotiated by both the Clinton and Bush administrations prompted the flight of American jobs overseas. They also said the labor rights provisions in CAFTA were too weak to protect workers in impoverished Central American countries from exploitation.
More jobs to go overseas, to someone making 50 cents a day. In the mean-time, the products will remain the same prices...this extra profit will go to the company owners. So yes, people will benefit - they tend to be the upper crust who are anyway very well off.
In this trade agreement they should say "You have to pay your employees the same wage that a similar employee in the US makes." and if they do not, they get the difference taxed. The money can then go to the people of our country.
These prices are very very standard. The PS2 when it came out cost 300, and so did the X-BOX. Games costing 59.99 - yea those prices have been that high since Bonk hit the market many years ago. Those prices are also, generally, for the FIRST run of games (to help recoup some serious costs), they also tend to be for the more popular games. The "weaker" games tend to be cheaper. Once a game has been on the market for a month or so, the price drops a lot and you can find them cheaper at various online vendors.
I hope the next Playstation is this cheap if not cheaper.
So if my corporation goes bust, you can't come and sue the living pants off of me, the CEO. There are positive and negative aspects of this mindset. It is, overall a good mindset. Now, there is nothing to say that other laws can't have the CEO prosecuted for negligence.
The person/people who will go to jail (in China) are probably those who gave the orders. So the minimum wage guy who copied the disks won't go to jail....but his bosses boss who had the bright idea to do this will.
Now the Corporation identity protects the CEO and shareholders (and employees) from being personally sued. So the victim company can sue the company, but not the people who work for the company.
The price of freedom is a good checkbook. We can rant and scream (on/. no less) all we want... you want a point made, line the pockets of the politicians you voted into office.
You know I saw this and was like "I caught my first dupe ever." I read/. often enough, but I have never actually seen (w/o someone pointing it out) an article that was a dupe of another article I read.
I was so excited, and then CmdrTaco let me down:( Oh well. Anyhow, how many times do we have to talk about this thing?
I am not sure of your definition for planet: "Anything that moves in the sky compared to the background stars" That sounds like a Nebula would be defined as a star, a comet, a piece of dust, the ISS, etc.
To have definitions would be to assign absolutes, and there are always exceptions. I think a general guideline is:
Revolves around a star on a regular cycle
Has a specific size category
The best people to ask would be those in astromy.
The moons of jupiter (i.e. Titan) do not revolve around the Sun. They revolve around the planet, and are thusly considered Moons.
The fact is, they have a scientific committee that makes this decision, and that is fine by me. Just because it is not automated, does not mean it is incorrect or flawed.
Thats a flawed statement and you know it. First off, this is not sales, this is pre-sales. We are talking high-end decision making marketing, production, design. These guys look at the bottom line and determine if they will make a profit that they deem reasonable.
You are not turning away 10% of the market, and I highly doubt this is 10% of the market that absolutely abhore the scroll wheel. Maybe there are people who do not use it...but how many are "fed-up" with mice because they can't find a three button non-scroll mouse? I DOUBT very many. But for your assumption, a company is creating a product for 90% of the market. The other 10% are forced to deal with it. Also, where is this statement "it's considered smart, chick,..." coming from? Just because they are not catering to you and a minority group does not mean they are not running smart marketing tactics. In the end, a company wants to make a profit. The only thing "smart, chick," etc is to make a profit.
As for the reason you can't buy a plain vanilla, three button mouse - maybe because not enough people want it?
But I am feeling altruistic these days. Here is a link to Yahoo Shopping. Sort the list by price, and the top five mice are three button, white and do not have a scroll wheel. I hope you enjoy.
Some might say: Setup a submission form, give the source a tracking number (reference number for the submission), and then delete the logs every hour so there is no IP trace.
But this is where the solution doesn't work: Reporters have to be able to verify their sources. To make sure it isn't a quack. If it is completely anonymous - what is to stop me from sending a note saying I am a top White-House aid and I got the inside scoop?
IMHO if the data given involves national security (i.e. the name of an undercover CIA agent), compromises peoples lives then the newspaper should be held morally and legally responsible to NOT publish it - and in fact must contact the department this is reporting on. At the very least to give some kind of warning. Stuff like whistleblowing is covered under the Whistle Blower laws - but risking someones life (i.e. that CIA agent who was made public) is wrong. We know there are spooks, and they work. If you do not like the idea of undercover ops then stop it at the system level - have it made illegal...but to risk someones life is inexcuseable.
Because a large enough percentage want it, a secondary size of the population doesn't care, so that leaves people like you who are in the minority. To mass produce, even on a small scale, is exhorbinately expensive. Would you be willing to pay $50+ for a mouse that has very few features? You can always check to see if you can disable the mouse wheel, so if you accidentally hit it, you will not get a computer reaction.
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Had Microsoft not existed, these companies might have had a chance to secure more market share.
These guys had plenty of chances to secure more market share...they failed.
It is also speculation that if there were more than two players on the PC realm, interoperability and standards might have been more important and faster in coming.
I mean look at Apple and Windows and Linux. How compatible are they, without using special translation software?
If you refuse to admit they did positive things for the computer community you are either:
1) A complete and utter moron who has his head stuck in the dirt
2) An ignorant son of a bitch who is just trying to bad mouth MS in the attempts of scoring a couple of positive mod points due to the nature of this board liking most things anti-MS
3) Pathetic
Gee, I remember something called the Apple II doing this long before microsoft was the force it was. What a maroon.
/. everyone bashes and looks at the bad of MS, and refuses to look at the good of MS - and they have made a lot of good. I am sure many of the /.'ers here use, and buy (or pirate) Windows and other MS products. I am sure many of the /.'ers here would regret not having windows.
Except, as this guy said, Apple products cost a whole lot! Imagine the cost of Apple products if there weren't any Windows products. How does $4000 for a mac mini sound to you?
The fact is, his article has a point - here on
I don't know if i agree totally. Maybe he was just trying to turn the table. After all, many people (especially here on /.) just outrightdismiss Windows because it is a product of MS.
He is correct, MS and Windows did bring a LOT of positive things to the computing community.
Change in the bathroom at work. It takes you all of five minutes. So stop exaggerating so you can curse. And stop being an asshole behind your veil of anonymity.
Where do you get this logic from? Just because you own the uniform does not mean you can act how you please while wearing it. You are expected, and do have a moral obligation, to act within certain boundries while wearing that uniform. You misbehaving could cause harm to the company - will you pay them for that?
Your comments are very nice, and maybe applicable in your work setting - but in most work settings (and I have been in a few) the bosses just say "hey we need you to work those extra hours. When review time comes, we will surely appreciate it. If you are not willing to work at least 50 hours a week, we can find someone to replace you." Come review time your boss is saying "here is 2%. Thanks and have a nice day"
Go on monster...many salaried jobs flat out state you will work more then 40/week.
And it is not about being brave - it is about realizing you need a paycheck and the market may not be so hot (presently it takes about six months to find a new job, and that is not gauranteeing it will be any better).
Honestly, your statements are vacuum sealed.
With one exception...if you decide to wear my company uniform off the clock, you had better be on your best behavior. If you get in a fight with someone, throw a drink at a client (even though you didn't know it was a client), go make comments on the news then yes I have a right to get upset with you and fire you. Take the uniform off and then do whatever you please.
That is acceptable. I do not believe that it is acceptable for an employer to tell me who I can or cannot hang out with. I do agree that a boss should NOT date/see/sleep with/marry a subordinate. This has proven time and time again to be bad news for EVERYONE.
People are so obsessed with the numbers that show on their paycheck that they forget that their work habbits are creeping into their personal lives and causing serious issues.
Yea, easily said. How about this response "You don't like our corporate policies, then quit. Someone else will do your job. Have fun paying the mortgage."
Unfortunately, bosses do have us by the balls. Yes you can look for a new job, but that boss can screw you as well. you just have to get lucky or form your own company (not that easy).
Most companies who have salaried employees equate that to mean you WILL work over 40 hours per week.
I am lucky that in my department, my boss compensates us with some off time. So if I come in on a Sunday, I get about (no hard numbers) 75% of that time in time off at some chosen date. Other departments in my company do NOT get that.
Man my company takes us out for happy hours. I guess we should all sit in separate booths. How do you expect people who spend eight or more hours a day together not to possibly hang out after work? Also, this has got to be constitutionally illegal. I can't talk with someone after work because we work for the same company? What happens if I work in a large (10,000+) company and meet someone coincidentally at a bar...what I have to ignore them? What if my brother gets hired at the company I work for (I work for a small firm,
This is lame, and I am sure unconstitutional (some lawyer on here can probably find a rule better then I can).
Lets not forget - it's my own time - so go FUCK OFF!
Yea but don't worry, 25% of /.'ers already know how to "FLAME ON"!
If I can go to may local grocer and buy arugula, I ought to be able to go to my local computer store and buy a plain three button mouse.
What does this have to do with our discussion? If I had 5 mod points (haven't seen a mod-point in many months) I would use em all for your last statement. You need to explain it.
But to respond to your arugula. I love Israeli mayoneasse. It is very different then American Mayoneasse. There is a large Israeli food section in a SuperMarket close to me. They do not have what I want. They say they do not have it because there isn't a high demand for it. They are not trying to screw me - they just realize they will incure more costs importing a product that very few people want. But as I posted, there are plenty of links to buy three button, plain white mice. As for, if your local store has a plain three button mouse, I cannot answer that as I do not know where you shop. I know MicroCenter near Philadelphia does.
Yea, as opposed to beating them or rewarding them for being bad.
And your welcome oh wise one.
I won't give my kids everything they want. They have to earn it in some way (acting nice, getting good grade, etc.) - but during X-Mas/Channakuh, unless the kids are really hellions, they expect and deserve a gift and they get nice gifts. At least in my life, $360 (for console and game) is not that big of a deal to make my kids happy. I spent more then that on my laptop, my desktop, my tv, dvd/vcr combo, etc.
:)
Besides, who could deny the look of rapture you get from your kid as they see that wonderful new toy. Yes it lasts for 2.1 seconds, but it is teh b3st 2.1 s3conds EV4R
Do you understand that buying this, as well as lots of overpriced games, is entirely optional?
You obviously do not have kids.
Democrats overwhelmingly opposed CAFTA, arguing that free trade agreements negotiated by both the Clinton and Bush administrations prompted the flight of American jobs overseas. They also said the labor rights provisions in CAFTA were too weak to protect workers in impoverished Central American countries from exploitation.
More jobs to go overseas, to someone making 50 cents a day. In the mean-time, the products will remain the same prices...this extra profit will go to the company owners. So yes, people will benefit - they tend to be the upper crust who are anyway very well off.
In this trade agreement they should say "You have to pay your employees the same wage that a similar employee in the US makes." and if they do not, they get the difference taxed. The money can then go to the people of our country.
These prices are very very standard. The PS2 when it came out cost 300, and so did the X-BOX. Games costing 59.99 - yea those prices have been that high since Bonk hit the market many years ago. Those prices are also, generally, for the FIRST run of games (to help recoup some serious costs), they also tend to be for the more popular games. The "weaker" games tend to be cheaper. Once a game has been on the market for a month or so, the price drops a lot and you can find them cheaper at various online vendors.
I hope the next Playstation is this cheap if not cheaper.
So if my corporation goes bust, you can't come and sue the living pants off of me, the CEO. There are positive and negative aspects of this mindset. It is, overall a good mindset. Now, there is nothing to say that other laws can't have the CEO prosecuted for negligence.
The person/people who will go to jail (in China) are probably those who gave the orders. So the minimum wage guy who copied the disks won't go to jail....but his bosses boss who had the bright idea to do this will.
Now the Corporation identity protects the CEO and shareholders (and employees) from being personally sued. So the victim company can sue the company, but not the people who work for the company.
The price of freedom is a good checkbook. We can rant and scream (on /. no less) all we want... you want a point made, line the pockets of the politicians you voted into office.
a) a lot of us here should really get a life if we get all worked up about a mouse
It's the little things in life that keep us going by amusing us.
You know I saw this and was like "I caught my first dupe ever." I read /. often enough, but I have never actually seen (w/o someone pointing it out) an article that was a dupe of another article I read.
:( Oh well. Anyhow, how many times do we have to talk about this thing?
I was so excited, and then CmdrTaco let me down
I am not sure of your definition for planet: "Anything that moves in the sky compared to the background stars" That sounds like a Nebula would be defined as a star, a comet, a piece of dust, the ISS, etc.
To have definitions would be to assign absolutes, and there are always exceptions. I think a general guideline is:
Revolves around a star on a regular cycle
Has a specific size category
The best people to ask would be those in astromy.
The moons of jupiter (i.e. Titan) do not revolve around the Sun. They revolve around the planet, and are thusly considered Moons.
The fact is, they have a scientific committee that makes this decision, and that is fine by me. Just because it is not automated, does not mean it is incorrect or flawed.
Thats a flawed statement and you know it. First off, this is not sales, this is pre-sales. We are talking high-end decision making marketing, production, design. These guys look at the bottom line and determine if they will make a profit that they deem reasonable.
..." coming from? Just because they are not catering to you and a minority group does not mean they are not running smart marketing tactics. In the end, a company wants to make a profit. The only thing "smart, chick," etc is to make a profit.
You are not turning away 10% of the market, and I highly doubt this is 10% of the market that absolutely abhore the scroll wheel. Maybe there are people who do not use it...but how many are "fed-up" with mice because they can't find a three button non-scroll mouse? I DOUBT very many. But for your assumption, a company is creating a product for 90% of the market. The other 10% are forced to deal with it. Also, where is this statement "it's considered smart, chick,
As for the reason you can't buy a plain vanilla, three button mouse - maybe because not enough people want it?
But I am feeling altruistic these days. Here is a link to Yahoo Shopping. Sort the list by price, and the top five mice are three button, white and do not have a scroll wheel. I hope you enjoy.
Some might say: Setup a submission form, give the source a tracking number (reference number for the submission), and then delete the logs every hour so there is no IP trace.
But this is where the solution doesn't work: Reporters have to be able to verify their sources. To make sure it isn't a quack. If it is completely anonymous - what is to stop me from sending a note saying I am a top White-House aid and I got the inside scoop?
IMHO if the data given involves national security (i.e. the name of an undercover CIA agent), compromises peoples lives then the newspaper should be held morally and legally responsible to NOT publish it - and in fact must contact the department this is reporting on. At the very least to give some kind of warning. Stuff like whistleblowing is covered under the Whistle Blower laws - but risking someones life (i.e. that CIA agent who was made public) is wrong. We know there are spooks, and they work. If you do not like the idea of undercover ops then stop it at the system level - have it made illegal...but to risk someones life is inexcuseable.
Because a large enough percentage want it, a secondary size of the population doesn't care, so that leaves people like you who are in the minority. To mass produce, even on a small scale, is exhorbinately expensive. Would you be willing to pay $50+ for a mouse that has very few features? You can always check to see if you can disable the mouse wheel, so if you accidentally hit it, you will not get a computer reaction.