no not really, considering my fingers rest on my mouse (ever so lightly). Now a touch mouse? Bad enough that touchpad on my dell laptop always gets hit by the underside of my thumb.
Just make a freaking normal mouse people.
I won't claim to be a market expert with statistics sitting around, but I will disagree with you on what people care about. People do care - just like Mac people care about using Macs. We, here on/., and other geek communities may denounce Windows for all its flaws - but most of the world has no problems with it. You do realize for all the holes, bugs, viruses, etc. that affect windows...deep down inside, after the problem is fixed, the common person blames some geeky kid sitting in his parents basement, not WIndows right? They blame some evil spammer driving a Ferrari. They do not blame MS. They see MS as this company trying to make a product and someone is taking advantage ofthem. Geeky kid in parents basement = bad. Geeky kids love to talk about Linux. Thus Linux = bad.
Why? Probably because it is big. We do not know enough about it to know when it was formed. Though if we can spot planets millions of light years away, I can't imagine this being THAT hard - other then the edge of our solar system is pretty dark.
Time will tell. I have no problem with a 10th planet being discovered.
After carefully reviewing your application to join the United Federation of Planets, we have determined that you are inelligible to join. We based this decision on the fact that we would have to re-write one-too many episodes. While we could do this with a time jaunt, we realize our viewers are sick and tired of time skipping ever since it was abused on Enterprise.
Sincerely Yours,
Admiral J.T.K.
P.S. Go to PriceLine where you can name your own price!
Actually, eBay and other major online vendors DO care. Most people are shy and scared of putting the CC's on the net. With news popping up "all the time" with regards to identity theft, the commercials (i.e. IBM and AOL) with regards to identity theft (remember the cute, but air-head, blonde with the apple crumb cake?), these companies need to build immense amount of trust! Lets not forget about the "My brothers friends, cousins, sister had their CC numbers defrauded 10 years ago" stories.
W/o the trust of the people, eBay, Amazon, etc's business model goes out the window and they shut their doors.
They care about their security to protect their money by protecting *YOUR* money.
I tend to think that if the following machines were next to eachother at CompUSA, the Linux one would get a good chunk of sales compared to the windows one:
Why would you think the Linux box would get more? Because it has 1 year 24/7 support posted on it? People will buy what they know, and people know Windows (barely). People already have a hard enough time playing with Windows, do you think they will stand a chance against linux?
Good point. And some company will offer this. "Buy a 12$ raffle ticket."
10$ (up to 50 million) goes to Russia. $1 per ticket goes to the company. The rest goes to charity? I would buy a ticket. And hey, they could also say "If we get enough for two trips, then there will be two winners."
I don't know...that sounds a bit altruistic of me. More likely some company will sell the tickets for 15/pop and pocket any profits above the 50 mil.
This is nothing new...Russia was the first to offer civilians the opportunity to fly in fighter jets.
I think this is a terrible deal, however. If the module was a bit bigger (read: i can move around, and give this weightless thing a shot) then cool. For food...biscuits? For what a weeks travel? Come on, what about the MREs...can I bring them with me...at least they are good.
NASA could do what it does for a fraction of the cost if gov't contracts weren't such a ripoff to the people.
But we are loosing our free culture. The current copyright owners are plundering the public domain for profit, without contributing any further works into it.
Read up some of Lawrence Lessig's articles.
Come on, I think I just saw your statement stretching out at the gym. We are not losing any culture, by any means. Hell half the people on here call the stuff the **AA's put out as crap anyhow.
Public domain stuff is free anyhow. Take a public domain song and you can u/l and d/l it w/o any retribution. You cannot, however, do that with non-public domain material.
As for Lawrence Lessig's articles...I am honestly not interested for the very reason it is someone's opinion, which if based on the statement you gave, I am not interested in. I am sure someone else wrote a counter-article or book.
I, presently, agree with the copyright laws and the enforcement. Do I like the **AA's no..why? Because, imho, they price gouge/fix. Can I fight them - sure, but I do not believe stealing is the proper form to fight someone who has yet to be proven as breaking the law.
Copyright, while a powerful tool to protect the intergerity of a piece of media (written, performed, etc), it is not an absolute right either.. It can be removed by lawmakers and the legal system at any time.
Well duh, ANY law can be removed and modified by lawmakers - even our Constitution. However, it is a current law, a supported law. So whats your point?
Copyright is about protecting the integerity of the work, not a mean to enforce a profitable venture. That is a secondary right, that can be removed if lawmakers see fit. The right to maintain the integerity of the work however is NOT a removable right. That is guarenteed.
And it doesnt't matter if it is a tertiary right. It is part of the protection gauranteed. You are not allowed to get a copy of the protected work without the permission of the copyright holder. The copyright holder is not bound by any rules as to providing you with this work. The copyright hodler wants X dollars plus your agreement to follow restrictions, all for you to have a copy of the work. You have the choice to get the work or not get the work by paying this cost.
Of course this is the spirt in which the laws were created not the way the have been applied in recent years.
This is where I disagree with you (and many others). The law is being used as created. To protect the copyright owners. If you want it, then buy it, if you don't want to buy it - well then you don't want it enough.
You may not agree with copyright, but it is not your place to break the law. It is not like you are losing some civil liberty. It is not like you are being oppressed or stopped from pursuing life libert, etc et al.
I never said do not advocate that something is wrong. I said do not d/l or u/l illegal music in the attempt to use that as an advocating method. In the end the **AA's will say "look at that guy. He is denouncing us by stealing our product. How would you like if he stole your product because he didn't like how much you charged?" And you know what, they are right. You do not have to agree with their pricing - but that does not give you any right to steal their product.
Well with regards to scarcity, I think you are wrong in this case. In all honesty, I have NEVER had a problem getting my hands on a movie/cd even the day it was released (i am thinking Lord of the Rings, when Metallica came out with their Load CD in 1996, etc.) So that is out of the question.
Then we get to price fixing - and the **AA's were sued for this, but they won. They obviously did not get the big hoopla as the current cases are getting because the media is not supporting them.
Getting the music/movies illegally, as a justification for the price fixing (I will not argue this point since I agree with you, but it should be noted you do not have legal support on this assumption) is not morally or legally correct. Breaking a law to get back at someone who is *potentially* breaking the law is not excusible. It is like being a vigillante. Yea "The Punisher" was killing drug dealers, but do you think the cops want some guy running around the streets blowing up buildings and so forth?
If you want to hurt the **AA's, do not support them. Do not go to the movies, buy their CD's/DVD's, posters, books, etc. Fill out product cards on items that you purchase and state how you found their advertising. Write other companies and say you will not buy their products because they support the **AA's. Write your government representatives.
There is a ton of things you can do, and if the majority of the populace agree with you, it will happen. Stealing is not the way.
You're confusing things here so let me help you sort it out:
The RIAA is not the same as the police and shouldn't be enforcing laws.
I don't download music illegally so I'm not doing anything wrong by advocating that others shouldn't either.
People should not support a conglomorate that claims they are losing millions to these pirates yet spend thousands in legal fees trying to prosecute them.
You are correct:
The RIAA should not be enforcing laws, and they are not. They are spending their money to track the uploaders. And then sending the legal courts after them (for criminal) and sending their lawyers after them (for civil). Now who would you prefer footing the cost of this? Our tax dollers or the RIAA?
I never said you d/l'd music illegally. And why would it be wrong to advocate other people should not download illegal music?
People will support what they want. Apprantly the **AA's are making a ton of money, so the majority of people do not care what you or I care about.
By chasing down people for using P2P they just cement my opinion that we should be downloading free music via legal alternatives like etree, dimeadozen, etc.
Yes thats it, the RIAA/MPAA are enforcing their copyrights by seeking legal justification and that makes them evi. Well yea, why didn't I think of that. Sort of like the police who are enforcing the local/state/federal laws - that must make them evil too.
Can the **AA's do a better job, certainly. Can they stop recklously slinging statements that all P2P programs are the root of all evil, well duh. Should they stop trying to protect their copyrights - that is their decision, but if I was in their place I would say "fuck off, you steal from us, and don't be shocked if you get a knock on your door."
Luckily for the d/l'rs, the **AA's go after the u/l'rs.
I'm ignoring for the sake of brevity your confusion over the OEM and retail prices of windows, since it's irrelevant. Ditto your bizarre idea that it's legal to install a copy of Windows on three machines
Not really, check out the boxes, they label it. I bought winXP home for a friend of mine and the box stated it could be installed on three computers.
Also, I bought a Dell laptop, and then went to install the windows disk on my desktop. It required me to call MS to get the activation key. I called MS and the lady asked how many computers this OS was installed on. I told her it was installed on my Dell laptop, where i got the disk from, and I installed it on my home desktop. She gave me the numbers. I am pretty sure if I was doing something wrong she would have not given me the numbers.
Dell also gets the OS from MS a lot cheaper then you and me. They probably get one disk, and a license to make X number of installs with it, in return they give MS a flat fee which runs a lot cheaper then what you or me get it at a store. Hell probably cheaper then what the store gets it when they buy a boxed set. Then, you add in all the bundles from other companies, and it is not hard to see why the cost gets lower and even to the point where Dell can give away the OS. This is not illegal, it is smart.
Do not accuse MS of doing something illegally unless you can back it up. My example was prime and legitimate, and until you can prove otherwise saying they are doing something illegal is irresponsible on your part.
Well a few things. I am pretty sure Windows based PC comes out of the box without any viruses. There might have been, at some point, some person at a factory who installed viruses - but I am pretty sure you get none. I am also sure Linux has viruses associated with it.
You are also neglacting the image aspect of it. More people know about windows then linux and it *IS* a trusted name brand. The owner being the richest man in the world doesn't hurt either. Hey, if he got that rich from his product, it can't be that bad...that is people's mentatlity. Also, those non-computer geeks who know of Linux (read: heard of it) probably think its one of those things you need a PhD in computer programming to operate. That is a daunting thing.
Oh please, lets stop with the banter. People always want something for free, and will usually take free over not-free...if that is the case, and Linux is free and windows is not. Why does windows win? Becuase it is a known brand. Yea we geeks know about linux, but do you think my mom knows about linux? Do you think your mom knows about linux? (rhetorical ? for the comprehension impaired). Those non-geeks who do know about it probably say "Oh its one of those computer programmer thingys."
If you want programs like Linux, FreeBSD and others to gain more market share, they need to advertise. MS is number 1 for all the good that comes and goes with it. If another company wants to be number 1, they have to fight for it. They have to prove that they are better.
Another thing that hinders Linux is the plethora of linux versions. It is daunting; which do you want: RedHat, mandrake, suse, fedora, debian, etc. It is confusing especially for the non-computer geek.
Make something simple, stupid, cheap and get the word out to the masses in a positive way (marketing/advertising) and you will see a real market share increase.
I would rather see a front-load cost then back-end. If they transfer the data, now, to a current format they can put this raw data on the net and let the world have at it. These guys seem to be proposing to convert the data, study the data, release the data....that middle-step is adding cost and delaying the information release. I would rather they ask for money to convert the data to a new format and release it to the public. That would be just fine and dandy- and would not cost anywhere near 250k.
Can't the tapes be put onto a different format, say DVD's...or backed up to triple redundant hard drives. I would MUCH rather have to access a fast SCSI drive then reels of tape.
Ok, now for those who say "but the vinal sounds so much better then that digital crap"...why are they bothering to dismantle this ancient computer? Why not just leave it in a warehouse or just donate to some organization (like this one) who can then play with the data? Come on, it is not like they will really use the parts on newer computers. To take it apart is a waste of money (unless it has national security components, which at this age, I doubt).
See, i totally agree. I didn't mind the static ads, even the interactive ones...like the coke cans that you can shoot, or the computer (in Counter Strike Office board) that looks remarkably like a Dell Desktop. Thats fine. If it makes the gaming companies more money - go for it. Hopefully this will either keep game costs down or bring better titles (or both).
If, in the middle of a game, a big add appears that disrupts my game then I will return it to the store instantly. If they want to have a tv screen in the game (i.e. projector room of Counter STrike) and it is running ads - fine. Hopefully it won't be a resource hog. Again, as long as I get a benefit (what I consider a benefit) I do not mind.
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no not really, considering my fingers rest on my mouse (ever so lightly). Now a touch mouse? Bad enough that touchpad on my dell laptop always gets hit by the underside of my thumb.
Just make a freaking normal mouse people.
I won't claim to be a market expert with statistics sitting around, but I will disagree with you on what people care about. People do care - just like Mac people care about using Macs. We, here on /., and other geek communities may denounce Windows for all its flaws - but most of the world has no problems with it. You do realize for all the holes, bugs, viruses, etc. that affect windows...deep down inside, after the problem is fixed, the common person blames some geeky kid sitting in his parents basement, not WIndows right? They blame some evil spammer driving a Ferrari. They do not blame MS. They see MS as this company trying to make a product and someone is taking advantage ofthem. Geeky kid in parents basement = bad. Geeky kids love to talk about Linux. Thus Linux = bad.
Just my two electrum pieces.
Why? Probably because it is big. We do not know enough about it to know when it was formed. Though if we can spot planets millions of light years away, I can't imagine this being THAT hard - other then the edge of our solar system is pretty dark.
Time will tell. I have no problem with a 10th planet being discovered.
Dear 10th Planet,
After carefully reviewing your application to join the United Federation of Planets, we have determined that you are inelligible to join. We based this decision on the fact that we would have to re-write one-too many episodes. While we could do this with a time jaunt, we realize our viewers are sick and tired of time skipping ever since it was abused on Enterprise.
Sincerely Yours,
Admiral J.T.K.
P.S. Go to PriceLine where you can name your own price!
I appauld Microsoft for this effort although it might be a result of necessity rather than goodwill. ;)
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Actually, eBay and other major online vendors DO care. Most people are shy and scared of putting the CC's on the net. With news popping up "all the time" with regards to identity theft, the commercials (i.e. IBM and AOL) with regards to identity theft (remember the cute, but air-head, blonde with the apple crumb cake?), these companies need to build immense amount of trust! Lets not forget about the "My brothers friends, cousins, sister had their CC numbers defrauded 10 years ago" stories.
W/o the trust of the people, eBay, Amazon, etc's business model goes out the window and they shut their doors.
They care about their security to protect their money by protecting *YOUR* money.
I tend to think that if the following machines were next to eachother at CompUSA, the Linux one would get a good chunk of sales compared to the windows one:
Why would you think the Linux box would get more? Because it has 1 year 24/7 support posted on it? People will buy what they know, and people know Windows (barely). People already have a hard enough time playing with Windows, do you think they will stand a chance against linux?
Good point. And some company will offer this. "Buy a 12$ raffle ticket."
10$ (up to 50 million) goes to Russia. $1 per ticket goes to the company. The rest goes to charity? I would buy a ticket. And hey, they could also say "If we get enough for two trips, then there will be two winners."
I don't know...that sounds a bit altruistic of me. More likely some company will sell the tickets for 15/pop and pocket any profits above the 50 mil.
This is nothing new...Russia was the first to offer civilians the opportunity to fly in fighter jets.
I think this is a terrible deal, however. If the module was a bit bigger (read: i can move around, and give this weightless thing a shot) then cool. For food...biscuits? For what a weeks travel? Come on, what about the MREs...can I bring them with me...at least they are good.
NASA could do what it does for a fraction of the cost if gov't contracts weren't such a ripoff to the people.
But we are loosing our free culture. The current copyright owners are plundering the public domain for profit, without contributing any further works into it.
Read up some of Lawrence Lessig's articles.
Come on, I think I just saw your statement stretching out at the gym. We are not losing any culture, by any means. Hell half the people on here call the stuff the **AA's put out as crap anyhow.
Public domain stuff is free anyhow. Take a public domain song and you can u/l and d/l it w/o any retribution. You cannot, however, do that with non-public domain material.
As for Lawrence Lessig's articles...I am honestly not interested for the very reason it is someone's opinion, which if based on the statement you gave, I am not interested in. I am sure someone else wrote a counter-article or book.
I, presently, agree with the copyright laws and the enforcement. Do I like the **AA's no..why? Because, imho, they price gouge/fix. Can I fight them - sure, but I do not believe stealing is the proper form to fight someone who has yet to be proven as breaking the law.
Copyright, while a powerful tool to protect the intergerity of a piece of media (written, performed, etc), it is not an absolute right either.. It can be removed by lawmakers and the legal system at any time.
Well duh, ANY law can be removed and modified by lawmakers - even our Constitution. However, it is a current law, a supported law. So whats your point?
Copyright is about protecting the integerity of the work, not a mean to enforce a profitable venture. That is a secondary right, that can be removed if lawmakers see fit. The right to maintain the integerity of the work however is NOT a removable right. That is guarenteed.
And it doesnt't matter if it is a tertiary right. It is part of the protection gauranteed. You are not allowed to get a copy of the protected work without the permission of the copyright holder. The copyright holder is not bound by any rules as to providing you with this work. The copyright hodler wants X dollars plus your agreement to follow restrictions, all for you to have a copy of the work. You have the choice to get the work or not get the work by paying this cost.
Of course this is the spirt in which the laws were created not the way the have been applied in recent years.
This is where I disagree with you (and many others). The law is being used as created. To protect the copyright owners. If you want it, then buy it, if you don't want to buy it - well then you don't want it enough.
You may not agree with copyright, but it is not your place to break the law. It is not like you are losing some civil liberty. It is not like you are being oppressed or stopped from pursuing life libert, etc et al.
I never said do not advocate that something is wrong. I said do not d/l or u/l illegal music in the attempt to use that as an advocating method. In the end the **AA's will say "look at that guy. He is denouncing us by stealing our product. How would you like if he stole your product because he didn't like how much you charged?" And you know what, they are right. You do not have to agree with their pricing - but that does not give you any right to steal their product.
Well with regards to scarcity, I think you are wrong in this case. In all honesty, I have NEVER had a problem getting my hands on a movie/cd even the day it was released (i am thinking Lord of the Rings, when Metallica came out with their Load CD in 1996, etc.) So that is out of the question.
Then we get to price fixing - and the **AA's were sued for this, but they won. They obviously did not get the big hoopla as the current cases are getting because the media is not supporting them.
Getting the music/movies illegally, as a justification for the price fixing (I will not argue this point since I agree with you, but it should be noted you do not have legal support on this assumption) is not morally or legally correct. Breaking a law to get back at someone who is *potentially* breaking the law is not excusible. It is like being a vigillante. Yea "The Punisher" was killing drug dealers, but do you think the cops want some guy running around the streets blowing up buildings and so forth?
If you want to hurt the **AA's, do not support them. Do not go to the movies, buy their CD's/DVD's, posters, books, etc. Fill out product cards on items that you purchase and state how you found their advertising. Write other companies and say you will not buy their products because they support the **AA's. Write your government representatives.
There is a ton of things you can do, and if the majority of the populace agree with you, it will happen. Stealing is not the way.
You're confusing things here so let me help you sort it out:
The RIAA is not the same as the police and shouldn't be enforcing laws.
I don't download music illegally so I'm not doing anything wrong by advocating that others shouldn't either.
People should not support a conglomorate that claims they are losing millions to these pirates yet spend thousands in legal fees trying to prosecute them.
You are correct:
The RIAA should not be enforcing laws, and they are not. They are spending their money to track the uploaders. And then sending the legal courts after them (for criminal) and sending their lawyers after them (for civil). Now who would you prefer footing the cost of this? Our tax dollers or the RIAA?
I never said you d/l'd music illegally. And why would it be wrong to advocate other people should not download illegal music?
People will support what they want. Apprantly the **AA's are making a ton of money, so the majority of people do not care what you or I care about.
By chasing down people for using P2P they just cement my opinion that we should be downloading free music via legal alternatives like etree, dimeadozen, etc.
Yes thats it, the RIAA/MPAA are enforcing their copyrights by seeking legal justification and that makes them evi. Well yea, why didn't I think of that. Sort of like the police who are enforcing the local/state/federal laws - that must make them evil too.
Can the **AA's do a better job, certainly. Can they stop recklously slinging statements that all P2P programs are the root of all evil, well duh. Should they stop trying to protect their copyrights - that is their decision, but if I was in their place I would say "fuck off, you steal from us, and don't be shocked if you get a knock on your door."
Luckily for the d/l'rs, the **AA's go after the u/l'rs.
I'm ignoring for the sake of brevity your confusion over the OEM and retail prices of windows, since it's irrelevant. Ditto your bizarre idea that it's legal to install a copy of Windows on three machines
Not really, check out the boxes, they label it. I bought winXP home for a friend of mine and the box stated it could be installed on three computers.
Also, I bought a Dell laptop, and then went to install the windows disk on my desktop. It required me to call MS to get the activation key. I called MS and the lady asked how many computers this OS was installed on. I told her it was installed on my Dell laptop, where i got the disk from, and I installed it on my home desktop. She gave me the numbers. I am pretty sure if I was doing something wrong she would have not given me the numbers.
Dell also gets the OS from MS a lot cheaper then you and me. They probably get one disk, and a license to make X number of installs with it, in return they give MS a flat fee which runs a lot cheaper then what you or me get it at a store. Hell probably cheaper then what the store gets it when they buy a boxed set. Then, you add in all the bundles from other companies, and it is not hard to see why the cost gets lower and even to the point where Dell can give away the OS. This is not illegal, it is smart.
Do not accuse MS of doing something illegally unless you can back it up. My example was prime and legitimate, and until you can prove otherwise saying they are doing something illegal is irresponsible on your part.
Well a few things. I am pretty sure Windows based PC comes out of the box without any viruses. There might have been, at some point, some person at a factory who installed viruses - but I am pretty sure you get none. I am also sure Linux has viruses associated with it.
You are also neglacting the image aspect of it. More people know about windows then linux and it *IS* a trusted name brand. The owner being the richest man in the world doesn't hurt either. Hey, if he got that rich from his product, it can't be that bad...that is people's mentatlity. Also, those non-computer geeks who know of Linux (read: heard of it) probably think its one of those things you need a PhD in computer programming to operate. That is a daunting thing.
Never forget image...that is very powerful.
You neglected the other portions of my post. As for Dell/MS strategy (as well as other companies) it seems to be working for them.
Oh please, lets stop with the banter. People always want something for free, and will usually take free over not-free...if that is the case, and Linux is free and windows is not. Why does windows win? Becuase it is a known brand. Yea we geeks know about linux, but do you think my mom knows about linux? Do you think your mom knows about linux? (rhetorical ? for the comprehension impaired). Those non-geeks who do know about it probably say "Oh its one of those computer programmer thingys."
If you want programs like Linux, FreeBSD and others to gain more market share, they need to advertise. MS is number 1 for all the good that comes and goes with it. If another company wants to be number 1, they have to fight for it. They have to prove that they are better.
Another thing that hinders Linux is the plethora of linux versions. It is daunting; which do you want: RedHat, mandrake, suse, fedora, debian, etc. It is confusing especially for the non-computer geek.
Make something simple, stupid, cheap and get the word out to the masses in a positive way (marketing/advertising) and you will see a real market share increase.
Well when you buy it from Dell (or other PC vendors) here is the difference:
Dell buys in bulk, and thusly gets special prices
Dell's Windows version is only allowed on one (sometimes two) computers
Dell also puts in other programs from other companies which they get paid for (like anti-virus software, online services like aol, etc)
When you buy the box windows version from the store you are:
Not getting bulk rates
Are not getting advertiser discounts
Getting a version of Windows that allows you to install on three computers.
That is why there is a price difference (and other's that I am missing).
Commodore 64....ahh the fond memories I have of playing Tank Steel (or some such name).
I would rather see a front-load cost then back-end. If they transfer the data, now, to a current format they can put this raw data on the net and let the world have at it. These guys seem to be proposing to convert the data, study the data, release the data....that middle-step is adding cost and delaying the information release. I would rather they ask for money to convert the data to a new format and release it to the public. That would be just fine and dandy- and would not cost anywhere near 250k.
Can't the tapes be put onto a different format, say DVD's...or backed up to triple redundant hard drives. I would MUCH rather have to access a fast SCSI drive then reels of tape.
Ok, now for those who say "but the vinal sounds so much better then that digital crap"...why are they bothering to dismantle this ancient computer? Why not just leave it in a warehouse or just donate to some organization (like this one) who can then play with the data? Come on, it is not like they will really use the parts on newer computers. To take it apart is a waste of money (unless it has national security components, which at this age, I doubt).
See, i totally agree. I didn't mind the static ads, even the interactive ones...like the coke cans that you can shoot, or the computer (in Counter Strike Office board) that looks remarkably like a Dell Desktop. Thats fine. If it makes the gaming companies more money - go for it. Hopefully this will either keep game costs down or bring better titles (or both).
If, in the middle of a game, a big add appears that disrupts my game then I will return it to the store instantly. If they want to have a tv screen in the game (i.e. projector room of Counter STrike) and it is running ads - fine. Hopefully it won't be a resource hog. Again, as long as I get a benefit (what I consider a benefit) I do not mind.