10 and a 1/2 hours? Who are they kidding? What were they running pentium pro trying to install win xp professional?
My cousins crappy 1.2 gig celeron processor which he used to surf every pornsite out there was owned by spyware.
Dial-up connection, having to get through all the spyware (going to ad-aware website took me to a bogus place). Luckily I could download mozilla:)
So dialup getting mozilla, spybot S&D and ad-aware. Plus doing all the scans, updates, etc took me about 4 hours.
It's a Pentium II 400 with 128MB RAM, 8MB HD, and Windows 98. She spends $2000 on it.
Please tell me "8MB HD" does not mean 8 Megabyte hard drive. 8 MB cache on a 1 GB hard drive maybe?:)
And yes, she now needs to spend some extra cash to upgrade. Just like if I buy a car in 1999, by 2004 I will have needed to spend money to upgrade (repair) the sucker. The fact that she spent $2000.00 on her computer and only ever utilized it in a limited sense is not the point.
The other option would be to stifle innovation so in 2004 the top of the line computers are Pentium III 800 MGHTZ...
Ok i know what I am doing when i get home from the bar tonight (assuming a girl doesn't pick me up, which is unlikely). Ok so i know what I am doing tomorrow afternoon.
Being a part-time bouncer ROCKS!:)
How did I destroy my own argument? How am I a hippocrit? You need to explain this one because my statement does not contradict itself. fighting? This isn't a war - stop trying to elevate it as such. You have the option, and have had it prior to windows even existing, as to your options of an OS. You can even design your own OS if you want to.
So again, please explain how i killed my argument and how I am a hippocrit.
I never said, nor do I believe Freedom of Choice is *just* a conversation topic - however, I have this freedom so I enjoy it - I enjoy it by using it, not by crying about some perceived loss of freedom - which Bill Gates has not taken away my rights.
Nice of you to assume i am selfish and shallow. No I do not take freedom for granted - however, since I have it - I do not need to dream about it. I have decided to move on with my life and experience its full pleasures.
Step off your perceived, exalted soap-box and stop trying to prove how correct you are with your perceived sense of loss of freedom. If you do not like Bill Gates or Windows - you *have* the *free choice* of NOT using a Bill Gates product. So utilize it.
Do you have the ability to abandon the GUI, however, take ms-dos - there you go.
If you are a good enough programmer find a way to make windows operate without the GUI. It is a component of it that is needed to work - the system is based around it. Just like a car needs someone to press on the pedal to feed it gas. Again, your freedom is not given up - you are trying to make a point using a poor example.
You have plenty of freedom - if you want to see lack of freedom go to some third world - war torn country where people are killed becauase they were not born of the proper religion.
Yes that is the American Dream. The reason why it is the American Dream is because Americans already have freedom of expression and experience. Since I have freedom of expression and experience, it is not a dream but a reality. So what do I have to look forward to - money and lots of it - because money will get me goods and services - this is the same way in every country and every era....those who have money (or tradeable goods) live the grand life how they want.
Nothing is wrong with that at all, and it is purely naive to think it is.
I use windows, I have been using windows since win 95 (prior to that i stayed in Dos mode, and yes i know it was MS-dos), my freedom is not gone. I have not been brainwashed into sending MS half my paycheck each month. I go to the movies, the park, out with girls, etc.
I have a plethora of games, office suites, music players, video players, etc to choose from.
If I do not want a company to receive my data I have software that "gaurentees" me my privacy.
So where is this great loss of freedom for us? Are you being oppressed? I am not, and I would wager that most of us here are not.
In the end MS has done a whole lot of good for this world - our computer industry and economy would not be where it is today if not for MS.
They are a business - they are here for profit - and Bill Gates is 100% pure representation of the American Dream---start from being joe average and becoming the richest man in the world!!!
The money can be gov't based - but the management needs to act like a private company. Meaning a culture change (slash some red tape, hold people responsible with serious penalties, etc.)
In all honesty I am not going to invest time (which would be serious) to research a postal service that is run privately and is universal - in another country. We could look at examples of FedEx, UPS, Airborne express - but they work slightly different then USPS (though I believe FedEx has some flat rate offers).
Well I don't know about the whole research deal. If you think about it we use patents all the time (expired included) without paying for it. How much would it cost me to build a house if i had to research construction methods, design my own lightbuld, my own computer, etc. The fact that it is existing technology being used should not be counted against him.
But how much of this 50 billion was used to research new tech and how much was it to utilize old tech? Lets say 25 billion went for new research (which is still an outrageous figure) - now we are talking 25 billion to 200 million - an outrageous difference. How wrong can Mr. Bigelow be? Lets say he puts in another 200 million (doubling his costs) - that is 400 million compared to 50 billion!!!
As I said before, I do not believe that just because it is a private company it will do it better - but overall - I think private companies do it better. At the very least our govt needs an overhall of its spending culture. Most of these projects will never fall out of gov't jurisdiction - but that doesn't mean the gov't can't manage it like a corporation (with the exception that they are not trying to make a profit, but cut costs!)
And you have provided me with evidence? Give me a link (that is showing me evidence). A link to the USPS website does not qualify - a third party, non-interested party is a good qualifier.
Do you know the definition of Troll? How exactly am I a troll?
I had respect for your arguments, even when you were attempting to be funny, up and until this point. Your credibility has been single handedly destroyed by your three word comment.
I did not say USPS is cooking there books, but anyone who has taken any business courses realizes that a company can make the numbers work for them and still be legitimate. I do not care enough about this topic to go on a research spree.
As for you quoting me, IIRC you are missing a bit, the part where I did explain it. It works because of my example: If you send a letter from Miami to Anchorage they are probably losing money as they charge you 37 cents, but they also charge you 37 cents to send a letter to your next door neighbor - that is why it works. THat and bulk (i.e. if i get 10 letters to my house thats 3.70 cents...which 10 letters a day is not that impossible for a home, let alone a business).
Haliburton is an exception at best. Personally, I do not think any company should be hired that has such a direct relation to the decision makers (or the person who influence this). Everyone saw through the Haliburton choice in less time then it took the ink to dry on the contract!
I agree that companies aren't necessarily efficient because they are private (it would be foolish to think so). But we know that gov'ts, in and of themselves are inefficient at best. They just have crazy expenditures, defunt departments that are still active (legacy), positions created for friends (who come in once a week to collect a pay check), and so forth.
I would love to see each contract handled case by case - but supposedly that is what happens (oversight comittees) and it is not working.
A solution has to be around, maybe my choice is not the correct choice - but when I hear that NASA spends 50 billion compared to another companies 200 million - and the other company is doing it better/faster - that is just scary! Imagine what the guy could do with 50 billion if he were "running" the space agency with the same efficiency as his private company?
Numbers can and are manipulated - so I would have to see the numbers. I remember reading a number of different articles - a few years ago- about post office problems (hence why they raised their rates).
The post office system of a flat charge works because you are paying 37 cents no matter where your mail goes. So if it is going from miami to anchorage (they are not making a profit there) or going from your house to your next door neighbors house - this is how they operate and why it can work.
Thanks for the info on parking insurance. I will inquire about it (though I would need more flexible times then just weekends since I go out randomly).
I also had my life/fixed annuity license for a time, so am familiar with the laws. While the insurance industry *is* heavily regulated -especially with regards to what you can and cannot claim - the insurance industry can still charge you out the nose. If my car/medical/life insurance wanted to they could jack my prices up by 1000% and there would be nothing I could do about it except pay or leave (assuming I do not have a contract with them restricting rate change."
Ripping someone off does not necessarily occur by lying to them - it can occur with a big bright price tag - and that is what happens with car insurance in most states.
I still don't get why insurance company Progressive wants to charge me three times what Nationwide does (my carrier). They are trying to rip me off - they are offering the same product - at an more expensive price.
And ? They cannot actually do any harm without first gaining physical access to the machine (unless some idiot really did plug it into the Internet). Since the machine is located right next to me, if they gain physical access to the machine, they gain physical access to me, and couls simply stab me to death.
Not every malicious hacker operates from his/her bedroom. Some are actually sadistic enough to go on site, especially if they have an agenda (a type of hitman).
Why ? I, for one, would want any program my life depends on to be checked by as many people as possible. When a blue screen of death really means that, any possible bugs must be found and corrected.
While I agree that I want as many people checking the code, it all depends on the people - who they are.
And what valuable data would that be ? The machine is not going to experiment on me to find new radical treatments, is it ? Or is this why you want it closed source and networked - to perform crazy medical experiments on patients ?-)
"Dr, we have Rick Jones from Utah, lets see if we can access his medical records...Just in from the network, he is allergic to Penicillan, is diabetic, and underwent chemo therapy 10 years ago." ---- Valuable information that can be sent all over the world in an 'instant'.
I, like you do, love the open source community - but sometimes - too many cooks spoil the broth.
I have a feeling that me and you will go back and forth about this to no end, so I will make this my last post with regards to this --- thanks for a good debate UltraNova
I calculated the cost of rentals. Renting a car for one or two days each week will cost me more then my insurance is per month
Saying "get rid of your car" does not solve the problem. That is, in all honesty, just a cop-out to the situation at hand.
I am not saying insurance is not useful, I fully believe that insurance is useful and advocate that anyone who doesn't use it is foolish - BUT that does not mean the insurance companies are right for ripping us off. Why should I pay just as much as my neighbor when I drive 1/10th of what he drives? Why should I pay 35% of my car's value each year? The insurance companies need to be regulated -and for the most part they are not.
Again, the answer of "get rid of your car" does not answer the problem.
What is parking insurance?
Is that your reply to my answer to your question? Because of so, you did nothing but helped prove that you are wrong.
Give an adult answer, get a childish response.
It's a ripoff because you MUST have it to be allowed to drive, AND (except for some states) there is no price ceiling (the companies can charge whatever).
I pay a low rate for where I live, but my insurance - yearly - comes to 35% of my car value. I drive my car once a week at most (i live in the city so my car is parked most of the time since I walk everywhere).
I have a perfectly clean driving record, my car is 8 years old and I have been with the same insurance company since i started driving 11 years ago (they are the cheapest for me).
That is why it is a ripoff.
What is this driving in "safe areas?" Is it anything like people who live in Philadelphia pay twice as much as people who live in the suburbs of Philadelphia? If it is, then yes it will be in effect - however, it will require GPS technology and with all the cars out there won't that be a burdeon on GPS satellites? I think people will fight the "Tracking" aspect of it more then the rate aspect.
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10 and a 1/2 hours? Who are they kidding? What were they running pentium pro trying to install win xp professional? :)
My cousins crappy 1.2 gig celeron processor which he used to surf every pornsite out there was owned by spyware.
Dial-up connection, having to get through all the spyware (going to ad-aware website took me to a bogus place). Luckily I could download mozilla
So dialup getting mozilla, spybot S&D and ad-aware. Plus doing all the scans, updates, etc took me about 4 hours.
I remember upgrading from 4 MB of RAM to 8 MB of RAM (bought a 4 MB stick) it cost me $200.00 :)
It's a Pentium II 400 with 128MB RAM, 8MB HD, and Windows 98. She spends $2000 on it. :)
Please tell me "8MB HD" does not mean 8 Megabyte hard drive. 8 MB cache on a 1 GB hard drive maybe?
And yes, she now needs to spend some extra cash to upgrade. Just like if I buy a car in 1999, by 2004 I will have needed to spend money to upgrade (repair) the sucker. The fact that she spent $2000.00 on her computer and only ever utilized it in a limited sense is not the point.
The other option would be to stifle innovation so in 2004 the top of the line computers are Pentium III 800 MGHTZ...
Ok i know what I am doing when i get home from the bar tonight (assuming a girl doesn't pick me up, which is unlikely). Ok so i know what I am doing tomorrow afternoon. :)
Being a part-time bouncer ROCKS!
Open source is the way to bring SkyNet online.
And here I always thought SkyNet was Windows revenge for BSOD'
How did I destroy my own argument? How am I a hippocrit? You need to explain this one because my statement does not contradict itself. fighting? This isn't a war - stop trying to elevate it as such. You have the option, and have had it prior to windows even existing, as to your options of an OS. You can even design your own OS if you want to.
So again, please explain how i killed my argument and how I am a hippocrit.
I never said, nor do I believe Freedom of Choice is *just* a conversation topic - however, I have this freedom so I enjoy it - I enjoy it by using it, not by crying about some perceived loss of freedom - which Bill Gates has not taken away my rights.
Nice of you to assume i am selfish and shallow. No I do not take freedom for granted - however, since I have it - I do not need to dream about it. I have decided to move on with my life and experience its full pleasures.
Step off your perceived, exalted soap-box and stop trying to prove how correct you are with your perceived sense of loss of freedom. If you do not like Bill Gates or Windows - you *have* the *free choice* of NOT using a Bill Gates product. So utilize it.
Do you have the ability to abandon the GUI, however, take ms-dos - there you go.
If you are a good enough programmer find a way to make windows operate without the GUI. It is a component of it that is needed to work - the system is based around it. Just like a car needs someone to press on the pedal to feed it gas. Again, your freedom is not given up - you are trying to make a point using a poor example.
You have plenty of freedom - if you want to see lack of freedom go to some third world - war torn country where people are killed becauase they were not born of the proper religion.
Yes that is the American Dream. The reason why it is the American Dream is because Americans already have freedom of expression and experience. Since I have freedom of expression and experience, it is not a dream but a reality. So what do I have to look forward to - money and lots of it - because money will get me goods and services - this is the same way in every country and every era....those who have money (or tradeable goods) live the grand life how they want.
Nothing is wrong with that at all, and it is purely naive to think it is.
Are you free to drive the car without the engine? Does that mean the car companies have taken your freedom?
I use windows, I have been using windows since win 95 (prior to that i stayed in Dos mode, and yes i know it was MS-dos), my freedom is not gone. I have not been brainwashed into sending MS half my paycheck each month. I go to the movies, the park, out with girls, etc. I have a plethora of games, office suites, music players, video players, etc to choose from. If I do not want a company to receive my data I have software that "gaurentees" me my privacy. So where is this great loss of freedom for us? Are you being oppressed? I am not, and I would wager that most of us here are not. In the end MS has done a whole lot of good for this world - our computer industry and economy would not be where it is today if not for MS. They are a business - they are here for profit - and Bill Gates is 100% pure representation of the American Dream---start from being joe average and becoming the richest man in the world!!!
Is this a fact or a theory?
The money can be gov't based - but the management needs to act like a private company. Meaning a culture change (slash some red tape, hold people responsible with serious penalties, etc.)
In all honesty I am not going to invest time (which would be serious) to research a postal service that is run privately and is universal - in another country. We could look at examples of FedEx, UPS, Airborne express - but they work slightly different then USPS (though I believe FedEx has some flat rate offers).
Well I don't know about the whole research deal. If you think about it we use patents all the time (expired included) without paying for it. How much would it cost me to build a house if i had to research construction methods, design my own lightbuld, my own computer, etc. The fact that it is existing technology being used should not be counted against him.
But how much of this 50 billion was used to research new tech and how much was it to utilize old tech? Lets say 25 billion went for new research (which is still an outrageous figure) - now we are talking 25 billion to 200 million - an outrageous difference. How wrong can Mr. Bigelow be? Lets say he puts in another 200 million (doubling his costs) - that is 400 million compared to 50 billion!!!
As I said before, I do not believe that just because it is a private company it will do it better - but overall - I think private companies do it better. At the very least our govt needs an overhall of its spending culture. Most of these projects will never fall out of gov't jurisdiction - but that doesn't mean the gov't can't manage it like a corporation (with the exception that they are not trying to make a profit, but cut costs!)
And you have provided me with evidence? Give me a link (that is showing me evidence). A link to the USPS website does not qualify - a third party, non-interested party is a good qualifier.
So long troll.
Do you know the definition of Troll? How exactly am I a troll?
I had respect for your arguments, even when you were attempting to be funny, up and until this point. Your credibility has been single handedly destroyed by your three word comment.
I did not say USPS is cooking there books, but anyone who has taken any business courses realizes that a company can make the numbers work for them and still be legitimate. I do not care enough about this topic to go on a research spree.
As for you quoting me, IIRC you are missing a bit, the part where I did explain it. It works because of my example: If you send a letter from Miami to Anchorage they are probably losing money as they charge you 37 cents, but they also charge you 37 cents to send a letter to your next door neighbor - that is why it works. THat and bulk (i.e. if i get 10 letters to my house thats 3.70 cents...which 10 letters a day is not that impossible for a home, let alone a business).
Haliburton is an exception at best. Personally, I do not think any company should be hired that has such a direct relation to the decision makers (or the person who influence this). Everyone saw through the Haliburton choice in less time then it took the ink to dry on the contract!
I agree that companies aren't necessarily efficient because they are private (it would be foolish to think so). But we know that gov'ts, in and of themselves are inefficient at best. They just have crazy expenditures, defunt departments that are still active (legacy), positions created for friends (who come in once a week to collect a pay check), and so forth.
I would love to see each contract handled case by case - but supposedly that is what happens (oversight comittees) and it is not working.
A solution has to be around, maybe my choice is not the correct choice - but when I hear that NASA spends 50 billion compared to another companies 200 million - and the other company is doing it better/faster - that is just scary! Imagine what the guy could do with 50 billion if he were "running" the space agency with the same efficiency as his private company?
Numbers can and are manipulated - so I would have to see the numbers. I remember reading a number of different articles - a few years ago- about post office problems (hence why they raised their rates).
The post office system of a flat charge works because you are paying 37 cents no matter where your mail goes. So if it is going from miami to anchorage (they are not making a profit there) or going from your house to your next door neighbors house - this is how they operate and why it can work.
Thanks for the info on parking insurance. I will inquire about it (though I would need more flexible times then just weekends since I go out randomly).
I also had my life/fixed annuity license for a time, so am familiar with the laws. While the insurance industry *is* heavily regulated -especially with regards to what you can and cannot claim - the insurance industry can still charge you out the nose. If my car/medical/life insurance wanted to they could jack my prices up by 1000% and there would be nothing I could do about it except pay or leave (assuming I do not have a contract with them restricting rate change."
Ripping someone off does not necessarily occur by lying to them - it can occur with a big bright price tag - and that is what happens with car insurance in most states.
I still don't get why insurance company Progressive wants to charge me three times what Nationwide does (my carrier). They are trying to rip me off - they are offering the same product - at an more expensive price.
And ? They cannot actually do any harm without first gaining physical access to the machine (unless some idiot really did plug it into the Internet). Since the machine is located right next to me, if they gain physical access to the machine, they gain physical access to me, and couls simply stab me to death.
Not every malicious hacker operates from his/her bedroom. Some are actually sadistic enough to go on site, especially if they have an agenda (a type of hitman).
Why ? I, for one, would want any program my life depends on to be checked by as many people as possible. When a blue screen of death really means that, any possible bugs must be found and corrected.
While I agree that I want as many people checking the code, it all depends on the people - who they are.
And what valuable data would that be ? The machine is not going to experiment on me to find new radical treatments, is it ? Or is this why you want it closed source and networked - to perform crazy medical experiments on patients ?-)
"Dr, we have Rick Jones from Utah, lets see if we can access his medical records...Just in from the network, he is allergic to Penicillan, is diabetic, and underwent chemo therapy 10 years ago." ---- Valuable information that can be sent all over the world in an 'instant'.
I, like you do, love the open source community - but sometimes - too many cooks spoil the broth.
I have a feeling that me and you will go back and forth about this to no end, so I will make this my last post with regards to this --- thanks for a good debate UltraNova
I calculated the cost of rentals. Renting a car for one or two days each week will cost me more then my insurance is per month
Saying "get rid of your car" does not solve the problem. That is, in all honesty, just a cop-out to the situation at hand.
I am not saying insurance is not useful, I fully believe that insurance is useful and advocate that anyone who doesn't use it is foolish - BUT that does not mean the insurance companies are right for ripping us off. Why should I pay just as much as my neighbor when I drive 1/10th of what he drives? Why should I pay 35% of my car's value each year? The insurance companies need to be regulated -and for the most part they are not.
Again, the answer of "get rid of your car" does not answer the problem.
What is parking insurance?
Is that your reply to my answer to your question? Because of so, you did nothing but helped prove that you are wrong.
Give an adult answer, get a childish response.
It's a ripoff because you MUST have it to be allowed to drive, AND (except for some states) there is no price ceiling (the companies can charge whatever).
I pay a low rate for where I live, but my insurance - yearly - comes to 35% of my car value. I drive my car once a week at most (i live in the city so my car is parked most of the time since I walk everywhere).
I have a perfectly clean driving record, my car is 8 years old and I have been with the same insurance company since i started driving 11 years ago (they are the cheapest for me).
That is why it is a ripoff.
What is this driving in "safe areas?" Is it anything like people who live in Philadelphia pay twice as much as people who live in the suburbs of Philadelphia? If it is, then yes it will be in effect - however, it will require GPS technology and with all the cars out there won't that be a burdeon on GPS satellites? I think people will fight the "Tracking" aspect of it more then the rate aspect.