With the avilability of cheap digital cameras, that can be bought and disposed of. The idea that it will lead to someone being caught is simply bad. You can even buy a disposable and mod it http://webpages.charter.net/tvickers89/PV2mods.htm for $20 then throw it away.http://webpages.charter.net/tvickers89/PV2mod s.htm
These fine 64bit computers use a 32bit version of Ubuntu. Why dont they use the 64bit version? Is it possible that the 64bit version of Ubuntu doesnt "Just Work" on the hardware it is designed to run on? With a way to fix Bug #1 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1) finally in their grasp, maybe the Ubuntu developers should shift focus onto the 64bit version and give a clear reason to choose Ubuntu over windows.
"Not true at all. Unless of course you mean someone going and downloading the source, compiling and hoping they got all the dependencies."
Here is just one example that proves this wrong. Go and download the latest Firefox for linux from Mozilla. Untar it, click on the firefox startup script inside. No matter the distro, it starts.
Fragmentation as it relates to Unix is that the different flavors of Unix added new features that required not just a recompile, or a library. But that the source code for some of the applications was not available, and that the operating system was tied to specific hardware that required work (coding) to port applications.
The open source nature of Linux and the use of common hardware today should avoid these problems.
Home is probably more likely to just go with a canned configuration, business more likely to customize the Linux installation.
Ummmmm Did you really think about that before you wrote it? If not , have you ever used Ubuntu?
The reason I ask is because Ubuntu is built on Debian, it has tons of packages, its got tons of documentation, and the forums are second to none. If you want to customize Ubuntu be it business or home use Its very easy, and help is available. If you cant customize its configuration. There may be no hope for you.
The reason a lot of Linux users will tell new users to google it or RTFM is because of cost. Linux is free in a lot of ways, and one of them is monetary. While you dont pay for it with cash, you pay for it with little or no support. You should be prepared to search for answers online and in the manual.
The difference with Vista, is that you paid for it. With paying should come support for the product. Telling customers to look else ware is not a good idea. They may find more than the answer, and maybe the wrong one.
In the real world there are Election Judges. People who watch whats going on. This unlocking and tampering isnt going to happen in front of them. This is a proof of concept idea, and like a lot of them it takes some things for granted. Like "you will be able to do this and no one is looking, or will stop you". But in the real world that isnt the case. Try this in a real polling place and go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go , do not collect 200 dollars.
"What's the deal with you guys going nuts over system requirements of Aero? I haven't seen any new systems which are not capable of running Aero. All you need is a 128MB graphics card, which is something even basic gaming requires. And it is not just that. I installed Vista on a 4 year old laptop with 8MB video memory and the basic interface of Vista (without Aero) is still way more reponsive than XP. Microsoft has made huge performance improvements in the UI. It just keeps getting better."
Is that like the requirements for Windows ME? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/253695
You know the ones that if you have the requirements. Where it takes 20 minutes to even load the OS. Once booted everything moves in slow motion and it takes 15 minutes to start up a web browser.
Most people know that minimum requirements to Microsoft mean it just barley works. Anything less and the computer wont even show the login.
It will, if you force archetechure a 32bit.deb file and manualy add the libraries. In fact I'm the person who figured out how to do that and wrote the howto most 64bit users follow to install wine. But there is no installable wine package in the Ubuntu repositories for 64bit. I have tried to build one. But so far my efforts havent produced any good results.
The work application I have to run with wine isnt open source. But I have no choice in the matter. Wine itself is open source and needed for some people to use linux full time. Since one of the goals of Ubuntu is to make it easy for Windows users to switch wine is essensial.
There are also development packages that are not avaialable. 32bit linux games that havent been ported. Saying something isnt important because it isnt open source in Ubuntu is kind of backwards anyway. The distro ships/downloads with proprietary drivers. Maybe it would matter if we were talking about Debian, but we are not.
Even if you take away all the other things. Multiarch was mentioned in the announcement by the head of Ubuntu Mr Shuttleworth. It is one area that they are falling behind in.
I don't think that 64bit will be a minority that long. I did a poll on the Ubuntu forums 36% of those that answerd ran 64bit systems. Of those that have 32bit systems, 2 times as many plan on buying 64bit systems as 32bit. More and more 64bit systems are sold every day. Both AMD and now Intel. I don't think its anywhere near the minority that ppc is because ppc was only one company. Mutiple manufacturers are making 64bit systems. That SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo, and others are already multiarch is because they see the writing on the wall. Ubuntu is waiting on Debain's notoriously long development in getting this done. IMHO by the time Debain gets it,(Etch+2) it may not be needed. Wasn't one of the advantages of Ubuntu to avoid Debians long release cycle?
What Ubuntu lacks is a good 64bit version. One of the advantages we are told of Ubuntu is that we don't have to wait on the long Debian development cycle. While that sounds good to the average i386 Ubuntu user. The amd64 Ubuntu user still has to wait on Debian. The reason I say this? In one word Multiarch. Multiarch was supposed to make it into Edgy. It was mentioned in the announcement by Mr Shuttleworth https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ 2006-April/000064.html But it is no longer included. The reason? Ubuntu developers are waiting on Debian to develop it. Its like 64bit users are second class citizens. No multiarch while distro's like SuSE, Fedora, Gento and others are already multiarch. No Wine, a 64bit firefox where plugins dont work, and other 32bit programs that must be manually added along with their lib's. All the while eye candy is added to the 32bit version. If it wasn't for the community and people there I would have left long ago. Its sad that people with 64bit systems are told to install the 32bit version because things are missing.
But wine isn't Linux, its a 3rd party application. One you get for free. You are totally consumer minded, about a free application. You cant be, the free is cost, but the payment is its hard to configure. When someone points out you may need to get the commercial version and pay to give you the right to complain. Don't point to the free version and complain.
While it was pointed out that Ubuntu has the eye candy. If you want to see a distro were its easily installed look at SuSE 10.1. You can install everything needed with yast and have it up and running in minutes. I will point out that SuSE 10.1 has other flaws, but they hare not with Xgl. The transparent and wobbly windows work just fine.
I bet Ubuntu's next version Edgy will be as easy to install Xgl on as SuSE 10.1 when it comes out in 6 months or so, right around the time Vista is scheduled to appear.
I have seen a lot of these Windoz reviews, showing off the Fancy graphics and transparent windows. Sadly few people without new or super system will ever see the fancy graphics and transparent windows. Last I read it will take the newest video card and over a gig of ram to run anything. Joe average will buy the upgrade, then find out that his computer wont look the same after its installed I bet.
Sorry but 10.1 is a sad upgrade. It reminds me of M$ where eye candy is there but there are a lot of bugs.
1. When adding packages that have dependencies that are not installed you have a 50/50 chance of crashing yast
2. Adding repositories is a chore, it takes forever and sometimes they don't install.
3. People are manually installing smart to bypass yast.
4. The new auto loader auto mounts cdroms to/media/TheCd'sName, its different for each CD. This has broken wine and cedega.
I loved 10.0, I hated 10.1. The person reviewing the OS must have just installed it and tested the installed software. The only thing that was easier was setting up Xgl. But eye candy isn't any good if you cant install your favorite applications.
Linux is all about freedom. You are free to look at porn if you want to. Most dont, but you can. At least if you use Linux you wont be infected by malware from visiting porn sites.
If your mum can use osx, she could just as easly use ubuntu or SuSE. They are all unix, or unix like systems. In case you are wondering the unix system is OSX.
Are you kidding right? That page is almost impossible to find from the Dell front page. But even if you could find it. Lets compare the computers to the rest of Dell's computers.
Dimension n Series E510 Pentium® D Processor 820 with Dual Core Technology (2.80GHz, 800FSB) FreeDOS(TM) included in the box, ready to install 1GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x512M) 160GB1 Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ 8MB cache 15 inch E156FP Analog Flat Panel 128MB PCI Express(TM) x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory [Included in Price] Featured at $919 orignal price $819 sale price After $100 Off Instantly! Offer Details
Now lets take a look at one with Windows pre loaded
Dimension E510 Versatile Entertainment PC Pentium® 4 Processor 630 w/HT Technology (3.0GHz,800FSB) Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005 1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz Free 19" Flat Panel Upgrade 80GB6 Serial ATA Hard Drive (160gb for $50 more) 128MB PCI ExpressTM x16 ATI Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory
From $1,069 Now from $649 +$50 for the bigger HD 699
$819 - $699 = $120
So it costs 120 MORE for the same computer without windows. Why would I buy the N series machine? The Freedos floppy? The slower prossesor? I don't even get a Linux distro CD, let alone having Linux pre installed. If I were to buy a Dell I would get the cheap one on the front and just have my SuSE disk ready. Go ahead compare each and every Nseries with one on the front page of Dell.com you will find the same thing. They charge more for a computer without Windows.
If you want to see the evidence for that, visit www.xtremesystems.org , open the forums, and browse the 'Intel' and 'Xtreme Overclocking' sections. Pure unarguable figures, showing the Conroe and Merom chips dancing all over Yonah and Athlon 64 X2s.
And every/.'r knows, on a forum, no one can lie or fake things...... As a matter of fact , I own the golden gate bridge and have some resort land in southern flordia for sale. Give me a call at the white house, ill be having dinner with the president later. Maybe we can go for a ride in my car, it goes 500 miles an hour.
That's the beauty of having an open format. Everyone can use the program they like best to deal with the documents. In this person's case, the best program is MS Office
Only in this case MS Word isn't going to support the ODF format itself. They are relying on outside help in the form of a plugin. I wonder if the disabled community has started a "dialog" with M$ to support the format that some states are going to use.
Don't tell me it isn't possible, if OpenOffice can make a plugin, M$ can add support. The reason M$ doesn't want to is it removes the vendor lock in. Keeping all the disabled people hostage to the file format Word writes.
They ARE involved. They've kicked off a dialogue and raised the awareness level of the issue of accessibility in open-sourced apps. Writing code isn't the only way to participate in the open source movement.
A dialog is just another word for whine. Complaining is all we are seeing, no actions or ideas. Are you saying that disabled people cant write code? Anyway here is a FOSS solution, its a knoppix based distro for the visually impaired.
http://oralux.org/
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With the avilability of cheap digital cameras, that can be bought and disposed of. The idea that it will lead to someone being caught is simply bad. You can even buy a disposable and mod it http://webpages.charter.net/tvickers89/PV2mods.htm for $20 then throw it away.http://webpages.charter.net/tvickers89/PV2mod s.htm
These fine 64bit computers use a 32bit version of Ubuntu. Why dont they use the 64bit version? Is it possible that the 64bit version of Ubuntu doesnt "Just Work" on the hardware it is designed to run on? With a way to fix Bug #1 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1) finally in their grasp, maybe the Ubuntu developers should shift focus onto the 64bit version and give a clear reason to choose Ubuntu over windows.
"Not true at all. Unless of course you mean someone going and downloading the source, compiling and hoping they got all the dependencies." Here is just one example that proves this wrong. Go and download the latest Firefox for linux from Mozilla. Untar it, click on the firefox startup script inside. No matter the distro, it starts. Fragmentation as it relates to Unix is that the different flavors of Unix added new features that required not just a recompile, or a library. But that the source code for some of the applications was not available, and that the operating system was tied to specific hardware that required work (coding) to port applications. The open source nature of Linux and the use of common hardware today should avoid these problems.
Ummmmm Did you really think about that before you wrote it? If not , have you ever used Ubuntu?
The reason I ask is because Ubuntu is built on Debian, it has tons of packages, its got tons of documentation, and the forums are second to none. If you want to customize Ubuntu be it business or home use Its very easy, and help is available. If you cant customize its configuration. There may be no hope for you.
The reason a lot of Linux users will tell new users to google it or RTFM is because of cost. Linux is free in a lot of ways, and one of them is monetary. While you dont pay for it with cash, you pay for it with little or no support. You should be prepared to search for answers online and in the manual. The difference with Vista, is that you paid for it. With paying should come support for the product. Telling customers to look else ware is not a good idea. They may find more than the answer, and maybe the wrong one.
In the real world there are Election Judges. People who watch whats going on. This unlocking and tampering isnt going to happen in front of them. This is a proof of concept idea, and like a lot of them it takes some things for granted. Like "you will be able to do this and no one is looking, or will stop you". But in the real world that isnt the case. Try this in a real polling place and go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go , do not collect 200 dollars.
Is that like the requirements for Windows ME? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/253695
You know the ones that if you have the requirements. Where it takes 20 minutes to even load the OS. Once booted everything moves in slow motion and it takes 15 minutes to start up a web browser.
Most people know that minimum requirements to Microsoft mean it just barley works. Anything less and the computer wont even show the login.
It will, if you force archetechure a 32bit .deb file and manualy add the libraries. In fact I'm the person who figured out how to do that and wrote the howto most 64bit users follow to install wine. But there is no installable wine package in the Ubuntu repositories for 64bit. I have tried to build one. But so far my efforts havent produced any good results.
The work application I have to run with wine isnt open source. But I have no choice in the matter. Wine itself is open source and needed for some people to use linux full time. Since one of the goals of Ubuntu is to make it easy for Windows users to switch wine is essensial. There are also development packages that are not avaialable. 32bit linux games that havent been ported. Saying something isnt important because it isnt open source in Ubuntu is kind of backwards anyway. The distro ships/downloads with proprietary drivers. Maybe it would matter if we were talking about Debian, but we are not. Even if you take away all the other things. Multiarch was mentioned in the announcement by the head of Ubuntu Mr Shuttleworth. It is one area that they are falling behind in.
Is Wine a piece of proprietary software?
I don't think that 64bit will be a minority that long. I did a poll on the Ubuntu forums 36% of those that answerd ran 64bit systems. Of those that have 32bit systems, 2 times as many plan on buying 64bit systems as 32bit. More and more 64bit systems are sold every day. Both AMD and now Intel. I don't think its anywhere near the minority that ppc is because ppc was only one company. Mutiple manufacturers are making 64bit systems. That SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo, and others are already multiarch is because they see the writing on the wall. Ubuntu is waiting on Debain's notoriously long development in getting this done. IMHO by the time Debain gets it,(Etch+2) it may not be needed. Wasn't one of the advantages of Ubuntu to avoid Debians long release cycle?
What Ubuntu lacks is a good 64bit version./ 2006-April/000064.html But it is no longer included. The reason? Ubuntu developers are waiting on Debian to develop it.
One of the advantages we are told of Ubuntu is that we don't have to wait on the long Debian development cycle. While that sounds good to the average i386 Ubuntu user. The amd64 Ubuntu user still has to wait on Debian. The reason I say this? In one word Multiarch.
Multiarch was supposed to make it into Edgy. It was mentioned in the announcement by Mr Shuttleworth
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce
Its like 64bit users are second class citizens. No multiarch while distro's like SuSE, Fedora, Gento and others are already multiarch. No Wine, a 64bit firefox where plugins dont work, and other 32bit programs that must be manually added along with their lib's.
All the while eye candy is added to the 32bit version. If it wasn't for the community and people there I would have left long ago. Its sad that people with 64bit systems are told to install the 32bit version because things are missing.
How else is Blizzard going to make a mint off of people if they dont make resources time consuming? Are you expecting content for your monthly fee?
But wine isn't Linux, its a 3rd party application. One you get for free. You are totally consumer minded, about a free application. You cant be, the free is cost, but the payment is its hard to configure. When someone points out you may need to get the commercial version and pay to give you the right to complain. Don't point to the free version and complain.
While it was pointed out that Ubuntu has the eye candy. If you want to see a distro were its easily installed look at SuSE 10.1. You can install everything needed with yast and have it up and running in minutes. I will point out that SuSE 10.1 has other flaws, but they hare not with Xgl. The transparent and wobbly windows work just fine. I bet Ubuntu's next version Edgy will be as easy to install Xgl on as SuSE 10.1 when it comes out in 6 months or so, right around the time Vista is scheduled to appear.
I have seen a lot of these Windoz reviews, showing off the Fancy graphics and transparent windows. Sadly few people without new or super system will ever see the fancy graphics and transparent windows. Last I read it will take the newest video card and over a gig of ram to run anything. Joe average will buy the upgrade, then find out that his computer wont look the same after its installed I bet.
Sorry but 10.1 is a sad upgrade. It reminds me of M$ where eye candy is there but there are a lot of bugs. 1. When adding packages that have dependencies that are not installed you have a 50/50 chance of crashing yast 2. Adding repositories is a chore, it takes forever and sometimes they don't install. 3. People are manually installing smart to bypass yast. 4. The new auto loader auto mounts cdroms to /media/TheCd'sName, its different for each CD. This has broken wine and cedega.
I loved 10.0, I hated 10.1. The person reviewing the OS must have just installed it and tested the installed software. The only thing that was easier was setting up Xgl. But eye candy isn't any good if you cant install your favorite applications.
Heck I would be a lot more happy if they sold servers and put a copy of Red Hat or SuSE in the box.
Linux is all about freedom. You are free to look at porn if you want to. Most dont, but you can. At least if you use Linux you wont be infected by malware from visiting porn sites.
If your mum can use osx, she could just as easly use ubuntu or SuSE. They are all unix, or unix like systems. In case you are wondering the unix system is OSX.
Are you kidding right? That page is almost impossible to find from the Dell front page. But even if you could find it. Lets compare the computers to the rest of Dell's computers.
Dimension n Series E510
Pentium® D Processor 820 with Dual Core Technology (2.80GHz, 800FSB)
FreeDOS(TM) included in the box, ready to install
1GB1 Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz (2x512M)
160GB1 Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/ 8MB cache
15 inch E156FP Analog Flat Panel
128MB PCI Express(TM) x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory [Included in Price]
Featured at
$919 orignal price
$819 sale price
After $100 Off Instantly!
Offer Details
Now lets take a look at one with Windows pre loaded
Dimension E510
Versatile Entertainment PC
Pentium® 4 Processor 630 w/HT Technology (3.0GHz,800FSB)
Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
Free 19" Flat Panel Upgrade
80GB6 Serial ATA Hard Drive (160gb for $50 more)
128MB PCI ExpressTM x16 ATI Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory
From $1,069
Now from
$649
+$50 for the bigger HD
699
$819 - $699 = $120
So it costs 120 MORE for the same computer without windows. Why would I buy the N series machine? The Freedos floppy? The slower prossesor? I don't even get a Linux distro CD, let alone having Linux pre installed. If I were to buy a Dell I would get the cheap one on the front and just have my SuSE disk ready.
Go ahead compare each and every Nseries with one on the front page of Dell.com you will find the same thing. They charge more for a computer without Windows.
And every
As a matter of fact , I own the golden gate bridge and have some resort land in southern flordia for sale. Give me a call at the white house, ill be having dinner with the president later. Maybe we can go for a ride in my car, it goes 500 miles an hour.
Disabled doesnt equate to helpless in a lot of cases. Simply complaining isnt a solution, nether is constantly paying, over, and over.