Google's extensive integration of everything into the browser has more potential to change the web than the iPad, Heck, even Mozilla's Weave and Prism have more potential to change the web. And then there's Flock.
And of course, none of these will run in the iPad. the iPad has already cemented its non-relevance for the future of the web.
You are right, and I realize I overreacted, it's just that, Apple and it's users pose as free spirits who "think different" and oppose big brother when the truth is that he works at Cupertino and they buy his products.
Maybe there's hope, we haven't been subjected to the two minutes hate.
Whether or not you agree with Fiore's political sentiments, I believe we can all agree that the censorship of his work should be denigrated.
No, Apple denigrated themselves long ago, and Steve's fans continuously denigrate themselves by supporting his behavior with their wallet.
We saw this coming from miles away when we first learned Apple would be policing what people run with their phone, why are people surprised now? A megalomaniac does fascist things with his company? I am shocked!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
Yar - har - fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is all right with me! Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
You are a pirate! (yay!)
We got us a map (a map!) to lead us to a hidden box, Thats all locked up with locks (with locks!) and buried deep away. We'll dig up the box (the box!), we know it's full of precious booty Bust open the locks, and then we'll say "hooray!"
Yar - har - fiddle-dee-dee, If you love to sail the sea, you are a pirate!
Geez, how easy is to call other people's country a shit hole.
I live in this shit hole, and I can go outside of the house, I can go to the park, at night, from where I see people sitting in their front yards, and see their tv sets through their open doors.
Children walk to and from school everyday. Unsupervised. You can go downtown and still find some tourists (but not much anymore).
Yes not all parts of the city are this safe, but I'm not rich, Not even upper middle class.
Really it's just the north of the country which is really bad, Tijuana, Juarez... we could easily blame it on the "corrupting influence of the US".
For sure, these cities are like this because drug dealers bring from the states dollars, guns, cars, even shielded cars, like it was a fucking movie.
Of course I'm not blaming Americans. Ok the drug polices of America surely are to blame but I'm not blaming individual Americans.
Which is why I'm one of the few people south of the border that actually supported the construction of the Mexican-American Border Wall.
That border is huge and uncontrollable and is a liability to Mexicans as much as to Americans.
I'd be the last one to suggest Mexico doesn't have problems but, Tijuana, like Juarez is a special case, that's kinda like equating the whole of U.S. with the worse parts of Detroit.
Be disappointed. I'm protesting by changing cell phone company to the one that promises not to shutdown the phones, voting with my wallet, putting my money where my mouth is etc, but most people I know are completely uninterested in doing anything that will bring any sort of discomfort into their lives.
It dawned on me few years ago that the main problem with Mexico is not drug cartels or corrupt government but a total lack of confidence in your fellow citizens. We never get organized. We have nothing like neighbor associations, our very few civil associations are weak and irrelevant. We tend to do things our own way and only thrust ourselves, we deal with crime by shielding our windows and reinforcing our doors, we deal with police by avoiding/bribing them, we deal with criminals by cursing them.
This is of course a vicious cycle. No thrust in government means no initiative to keep politicians accountable which leads to more corruption which leads to less trust in the authorities. It's a never ending cycle.
For contrast is the fact that the most effective anti-criminal initiative in Mexico in last years has been the anonymous denouncing system. I mean, seriously, no other system has attracted more public cooperation than the ability to seek help from authorities without exposing yourself to them, just this should be enough to realize what a boneheaded law this is.
As a side note, the government has been increasing the penalties for piracy in Mexico, then, it recently became a criminal offense instead of a civil infraction (a move you should be familiar with). While this is supposed to cut down the revenue stream from organized, commercial, pirate activity, I wonder if the result is not going to be something akin to the prohibition era in the US...
Wow, freedom for me, Orwell for others, how generous of you of you.
Look, after our [Mexicans] voters records were bought illegally by ChoicePoint, an alreadyunthrustable American company a major wave of phone driven extortions started.
Yes, the extortionists use unregistered cellphones, but their tactics wouldn't be anywhere that effective if they didn't have access to the name, address, home phone, birth data and family (via name and location matching) of every adult Mexican in the country.
And now the proposed solution is to also give them our cellphone numbers?
Given the corruption of the government, the less power it has the better. The government simply can't guarantee the confidentiality of this data.
But let's say that we give in to your idea that Mexicans are so pitiable that we don't deserve privacy because we can't handle it. Let's say I agree and get every cellphone registered.
How does that help? Simply put, it doesn't. It's terribly easy to steal a cellphone, cloning it is harder but still easy and of course you could always send fake data. Yes fake data can get you in trouble, but that can be solved by having two phones, one for lawful use and one for unlawful use.
The only people this is going to effectively keep track of are law abiding, single, non stoled nor cloned cellphone users.
So the record is a security risk with no benefits associated, but yay for Big Brother, as long as is not in your country!
Lobbyists *already* do nothing but spew lies in ad campaigns.
So you are against democracy? I won't deny that people are stupid but I rather try to educate because what is the alternative? A benevolent dictator? An illuminated ruling class?
What people like and what people don't like should not dictate the laws of the government.
Why?
I would LIKE free money given to me every single day of my life and I would LIKE not to ever pay taxes again
Invalid example, you are not "people", now if people wanted those things, I would not see a reason for the government to not comply, of course, this has obvious consequences that make it impractical and people know that, but you are not arguing against the consequences, your position is that the will of the people shouldn't dictate law.
I have a theory I posted in that legendary bug report, I'll just paste it down here:
I think Mark first rationale for the change was actually right and overriding. He needs to clear the right corner to put something there and he needs to do it 6 months in advance.
I can already sort of guess what it will be. Forget Esfera, it will be some sort of live facebook chat/twitter feed/location broadcaster/ad displayer, possibly.
The functionality is there, the calendar panel applet can stay open on top of the windows already. And it really wouldn't work any other way, the bottom corners are used by applications with either controls or the status bar, and the top left side has the menus and the most used toolbar buttons as well as the gnome menu bar.
So the best option if you want to put an always on top applet is to move everything to the left, buttons AND title, to make room for it. It is in fact such an obvious move that it makes sense to piss off almost everybody to pull it off.
BUT
If I'm right, this is bad news already. Good functionality doesn't need a preemptive strike 6 months ahead of time just to "soften" the targets, bad functionality does.
It could be something so bad that people* will complain about it by itself, let alone the title bar scramble, so Mark is attempting to separate the criticisms, reordering the title bar now so that the future complains would be limited to the new gimmick alone.
And of course there is the psychological trick of asking for a lot of money before asking for less money as to make the second request seem more reasonable.
So Mark was sincere the first time all along, he needs to make room for functionality that's so compelling, it has to be introduced gradually.
* When I say people I mean the bleeding-edge, open to change, ubuntu-loyal beta testing community that didn't like this change.
I wanted to contribute back but the license requires me to! Would you please allow me to not give anything back so I can start to generously contribute back?
*sigh*...happens every time someone complains about the GPL...
Rather than relicensing to proprietary or BSD, an exception can be made to the GPL allowing the game to be compiled with a closed SDK, lots of GPL'd code have exceptions for such cases.
As a Mexican, I'm not so much worried about the flow of illegal emigrants to the US as I'm worried about the flow of US weapons to Mexico (we have gun control you know?). What I mean is, you could do much more for the immigration problems of your country if you took as much care about what goes out of your country as you care about what goes into it.
Not that you and me have much say in this, the can of worms is already open.
Sure Mark can do anything he wants with "his ubuntu". But it isn't intelligent to change something against the wishes of the community, for no good reason. And no, "we will put something there later" is not a good reason because whatever he plans to put on the right can go in the left.
The fanbois and the dev team itself have answered with childish "get used to it", "it's not a big deal", "have you tried it yet?"
Look, before you did shut down the poll, 75% said they hated it and 20% didn't care, about 5% like it and I bet none of those -safe for the dev team itself- actually asked for it.
Personally I think it is a tragedy that it is so easy to fix...
... because Mark and the dev team will think they made a great choice when the truth is that they are only going to make ubuntu less appealing and the only reason people aren't going to vote with their feet is because we are ubuntu geeks and know how to change this.
Problem is, all signs point Mark isn't interested in geek users, but *mac* users instead, which explains why he hired a bunch of Apple rejects to change the direction of development.
Firstly I'm market. For those people asking who would use such a service, I would, anyone who doesn't like facebook but wants to be more conected with friends will like it. I bet many people here would like it, there IS a market for this.
Ok, let me come up with some ideas.
- Give it a clear name and tag line. My book, my information, my control. - Let me install this in my machine, the wall wart is really nice but it should be an extra. - Integrate it with a DNS/url Hosting service! a) Give it an option to buy your own domain (with liks to verison, godday etc) b) Give it an option to use a free personal domain (think dyndns) then make the client responsible for keeping this DNS updated. c) Make a deal with/create a company to host "My Personal Web" links (think http://myweb.org/Requiem) - Make everything above multi identity friendly, one PPW for the job, one for friends. - Make it easy to sync with other computers you host, either you desktop, or your spouse's, or your netbook, one has to be online most of the time- - And yes, the wall wart. - Integrate with Firefox/Flock/Chrome/ Maybe even IE. - Integrate with Youtube/Delicious/Blogger, you get the idea. - IMPORTANT: Make it so people can use it even if they don't have the client installed. It's a web app after all. - Give them the option to install it from my personal web. - Add a big "What is my personal web?" to the corner of, my personal web. Let my friends know I own my very own facebook.
I AM SOLD. I'd even buy the wall wart. You only have to implement these features.
No, I don't need it to already have critical mass. I can make my friends into visit a url, trust me.
Slashdot Mirror
Takes a Mac-head to equate browser == iPad.
Get over your orthographically challenged iPad, sure the media machine will sell it as the end all be all of tablets, and it will beat in sales superior products already miles ahead in functionality.
But. It will not change the web.
Google's extensive integration of everything into the browser has more potential to change the web than the iPad, Heck, even Mozilla's Weave and Prism have more potential to change the web. And then there's Flock.
And of course, none of these will run in the iPad. the iPad has already cemented its non-relevance for the future of the web.
You are right, and I realize I overreacted, it's just that, Apple and it's users pose as free spirits who "think different" and oppose big brother when the truth is that he works at Cupertino and they buy his products.
Maybe there's hope, we haven't been subjected to the two minutes hate.
Whether or not you agree with Fiore's political sentiments, I believe we can all agree that the censorship of his work should be denigrated.
No, Apple denigrated themselves long ago, and Steve's fans continuously denigrate themselves by supporting his behavior with their wallet.
We saw this coming from miles away when we first learned Apple would be policing what people run with their phone, why are people surprised now? A megalomaniac does fascist things with his company? I am shocked!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
Yar - har - fiddle-dee-dee, being a pirate is all right with me!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!
You are a pirate! (yay!)
We got us a map (a map!) to lead us to a hidden box,
Thats all locked up with locks (with locks!) and buried deep away.
We'll dig up the box (the box!), we know it's full of precious booty
Bust open the locks, and then we'll say "hooray!"
Yar - har - fiddle-dee-dee,
If you love to sail the sea, you are a pirate!
Obligatory xkcd reference
http://xkcd.com/463/
...and find them totally justified, installation telescreens approved.
Geez, how easy is to call other people's country a shit hole.
I live in this shit hole, and I can go outside of the house, I can go to the park, at night, from where I see people sitting in their front yards, and see their tv sets through their open doors.
Children walk to and from school everyday. Unsupervised. You can go downtown and still find some tourists (but not much anymore).
Yes not all parts of the city are this safe, but I'm not rich, Not even upper middle class.
Really it's just the north of the country which is really bad, Tijuana, Juarez... we could easily blame it on the "corrupting influence of the US".
For sure, these cities are like this because drug dealers bring from the states dollars, guns, cars, even shielded cars, like it was a fucking movie.
Of course I'm not blaming Americans. Ok the drug polices of America surely are to blame but I'm not blaming individual Americans.
Which is why I'm one of the few people south of the border that actually supported the construction of the Mexican-American Border Wall.
That border is huge and uncontrollable and is a liability to Mexicans as much as to Americans.
I'd be the last one to suggest Mexico doesn't have problems but, Tijuana, like Juarez is a special case, that's kinda like equating the whole of U.S. with the worse parts of Detroit.
Tlatelolco, our Tiananmen
Be disappointed. I'm protesting by changing cell phone company to the one that promises not to shutdown the phones, voting with my wallet, putting my money where my mouth is etc, but most people I know are completely uninterested in doing anything that will bring any sort of discomfort into their lives.
It dawned on me few years ago that the main problem with Mexico is not drug cartels or corrupt government but a total lack of confidence in your fellow citizens. We never get organized. We have nothing like neighbor associations, our very few civil associations are weak and irrelevant. We tend to do things our own way and only thrust ourselves, we deal with crime by shielding our windows and reinforcing our doors, we deal with police by avoiding/bribing them, we deal with criminals by cursing them.
This is of course a vicious cycle. No thrust in government means no initiative to keep politicians accountable which leads to more corruption which leads to less trust in the authorities. It's a never ending cycle.
For contrast is the fact that the most effective anti-criminal initiative in Mexico in last years has been the anonymous denouncing system. I mean, seriously, no other system has attracted more public cooperation than the ability to seek help from authorities without exposing yourself to them, just this should be enough to realize what a boneheaded law this is.
As a side note, the government has been increasing the penalties for piracy in Mexico, then, it recently became a criminal offense instead of a civil infraction (a move you should be familiar with). While this is supposed to cut down the revenue stream from organized, commercial, pirate activity, I wonder if the result is not going to be something akin to the prohibition era in the US...
Wow, freedom for me, Orwell for others, how generous of you of you.
Look, after our [Mexicans] voters records were bought illegally by ChoicePoint, an already unthrustable American company a major wave of phone driven extortions started.
Yes, the extortionists use unregistered cellphones, but their tactics wouldn't be anywhere that effective if they didn't have access to the name, address, home phone, birth data and family (via name and location matching) of every adult Mexican in the country.
And now the proposed solution is to also give them our cellphone numbers?
Given the corruption of the government, the less power it has the better. The government simply can't guarantee the confidentiality of this data.
But let's say that we give in to your idea that Mexicans are so pitiable that we don't deserve privacy because we can't handle it. Let's say I agree and get every cellphone registered.
How does that help? Simply put, it doesn't. It's terribly easy to steal a cellphone, cloning it is harder but still easy and of course you could always send fake data. Yes fake data can get you in trouble, but that can be solved by having two phones, one for lawful use and one for unlawful use.
The only people this is going to effectively keep track of are law abiding, single, non stoled nor cloned cellphone users.
So the record is a security risk with no benefits associated, but yay for Big Brother, as long as is not in your country!
Lobbyists *already* do nothing but spew lies in ad campaigns.
So you are against democracy? I won't deny that people are stupid but I rather try to educate because what is the alternative? A benevolent dictator? An illuminated ruling class?
Who's going to decide who will rule? you?
What people like and what people don't like should not dictate the laws of the government.
Why?
I would LIKE free money given to me every single day of my life and I would LIKE not to ever pay taxes again
Invalid example, you are not "people", now if people wanted those things, I would not see a reason for the government to not comply, of course, this has obvious consequences that make it impractical and people know that, but you are not arguing against the consequences, your position is that the will of the people shouldn't dictate law.
Will you defend it or take it back?
I have a theory I posted in that legendary bug report, I'll just paste it down here:
I think Mark first rationale for the change was actually right and
overriding. He needs to clear the right corner to put something there
and he needs to do it 6 months in advance.
I can already sort of guess what it will be. Forget Esfera, it will be
some sort of live facebook chat/twitter feed/location broadcaster/ad
displayer, possibly.
The functionality is there, the calendar panel applet can stay open on
top of the windows already. And it really wouldn't work any other way,
the bottom corners are used by applications with either controls or the
status bar, and the top left side has the menus and the most used
toolbar buttons as well as the gnome menu bar.
So the best option if you want to put an always on top applet is to move
everything to the left, buttons AND title, to make room for it. It is in
fact such an obvious move that it makes sense to piss off almost
everybody to pull it off.
BUT
If I'm right, this is bad news already. Good functionality doesn't need
a preemptive strike 6 months ahead of time just to "soften" the targets,
bad functionality does.
It could be something so bad that people* will complain about it by
itself, let alone the title bar scramble, so Mark is attempting to
separate the criticisms, reordering the title bar now so that the future
complains would be limited to the new gimmick alone.
And of course there is the psychological trick of asking for a lot of
money before asking for less money as to make the second request seem
more reasonable.
So Mark was sincere the first time all along, he needs to make room for
functionality that's so compelling, it has to be introduced gradually.
* When I say people I mean the bleeding-edge, open to change,
ubuntu-loyal beta testing community that didn't like this change.
The linux game Adanaxis (add an axis) does this too.
I wanted to contribute back but the license requires me to! Would you please allow me to not give anything back so I can start to generously contribute back?
*sigh*...happens every time someone complains about the GPL...
Rather than relicensing to proprietary or BSD, an exception can be made to the GPL allowing the game to be compiled with a closed SDK, lots of GPL'd code have exceptions for such cases.
As a Mexican, I'm not so much worried about the flow of illegal emigrants to the US as I'm worried about the flow of US weapons to Mexico (we have gun control you know?). What I mean is, you could do much more for the immigration problems of your country if you took as much care about what goes out of your country as you care about what goes into it.
Not that you and me have much say in this, the can of worms is already open.
Sure Mark can do anything he wants with "his ubuntu". But it isn't intelligent to change something against the wishes of the community, for no good reason. And no, "we will put something there later" is not a good reason because whatever he plans to put on the right can go in the left.
The fanbois and the dev team itself have answered with childish "get used to it", "it's not a big deal", "have you tried it yet?"
Look, before you did shut down the poll, 75% said they hated it and 20% didn't care, about 5% like it and I bet none of those -safe for the dev team itself- actually asked for it.
Personally I think it is a tragedy that it is so easy to fix...
$ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close
... because Mark and the dev team will think they made a great choice when the truth is that they are only going to make ubuntu less appealing and the only reason people aren't going to vote with their feet is because we are ubuntu geeks and know how to change this.
Problem is, all signs point Mark isn't interested in geek users, but *mac* users instead, which explains why he hired a bunch of Apple rejects to change the direction of development.
Linux Mint here I go...
Let me add to my own post:
- Integrate it with stuff Facebook can't do like file sharing with "per person" access configuration.
Firstly I'm market. For those people asking who would use such a service, I would, anyone who doesn't like facebook but wants to be more conected with friends will like it. I bet many people here would like it, there IS a market for this.
Ok, let me come up with some ideas.
- Give it a clear name and tag line. My book, my information, my control.
- Let me install this in my machine, the wall wart is really nice but it should be an extra.
- Integrate it with a DNS/url Hosting service!
a) Give it an option to buy your own domain (with liks to verison, godday etc)
b) Give it an option to use a free personal domain (think dyndns) then make the client responsible for keeping this DNS updated.
c) Make a deal with/create a company to host "My Personal Web" links (think http://myweb.org/Requiem)
- Make everything above multi identity friendly, one PPW for the job, one for friends.
- Make it easy to sync with other computers you host, either you desktop, or your spouse's, or your netbook, one has to be online most of the time-
- And yes, the wall wart.
- Integrate with Firefox/Flock/Chrome/ Maybe even IE.
- Integrate with Youtube/Delicious/Blogger, you get the idea.
- IMPORTANT: Make it so people can use it even if they don't have the client installed. It's a web app after all.
- Give them the option to install it from my personal web.
- Add a big "What is my personal web?" to the corner of, my personal web. Let my friends know I own my very own facebook.
I AM SOLD. I'd even buy the wall wart. You only have to implement these features.
No, I don't need it to already have critical mass. I can make my friends into visit a url, trust me.
Comparing XML to the iPhone is like comparing a fighter jet with a celebrity cooking show on television.
No, comparing XML to the iPhone is like comparing fiberglass insulation to a Toyota car. One is a technique the other is a brand of hardware products.
XML vs. iPhone. I can't think of a better metaphor for "open but convoluted" vs. "closed but useable."
Well that explains why proprietary alternatives to XML like JSON or YAML are so much better!
Yes but they lack important usability features like featuring a gray logo of a bitten fruit in the back.
Maybe life is like a ride on the freeway...