2. Yer those little african kids i see on the TV sitting in a puddle of cowshit with malnutrion and no clean water really need a fucking green plastic laptop so they can use what little energy they have to wind the fucking thing up so they can IM their buddies in the next village...
Exactly what can be taught on a laptop that they can't learn through traditional means? graphic design? leet programming skillz? I'm sure it could one day be made useful on some level, but if humanity in general hasn't managed to significantly alleviate poverty and massive death tolls by disease or simple hunger, what chance do these laptops have of ever making a difference?
Terrorism is performing acts designed to instill fear in a population in order to get that population to bow to the demands of the "terrorists" ie. It is better to do what they want than to live with such fear.
The september 11 hijackers don't really fit this mold. What exactly are their demands? Is it for the US to stop interfering with their countries? Are their aims simply to convert the world to islam by force? I dont know, or really care what their aims are, but while the small amount of moderately powerful attacks have instilled fear in a small subset of the population of the US, britain and others, its far from the widespread fear a terrorist would hope to generate. I think most of these attacks, (of course they aren't all directly controlled by one organization) are really done with the simple aim of two things.
1. Demonstrate that as powerful as these countries may be, they are not invulnerable. 2. Because of point one, draw the attention that has been lacking for many many years to the things these powerful governments have been doing to other countries, in the name of protecting the priveledges of their relatively wealthy population.
They have already succeeded in both these aims. but the message hasn't got through, and never will.
Don't attack me personally as a sympathizer because I really couldn't give a shit either way
I of course do not advocate banning any site.
creating a new TLD does not make it any easier to filter anything though. It looks good on paper for politicians and people who do not understand how the web functions.
unfortunately the only way to control what children see on the web is with a whitelist you create yourself. It needs to be said, there is not a massive amount of reasons for children to use the web.
using IM to talk to friends constantly is apparently very important.
research for school. well seeing as the web has conflicting information anywhere and very little of it is able to be quoted as a research source in higher education it mostly seems as just a good reason for a kid to tell their computer illiterate parents.
i have no such aversion to sexual imagery, although i sure as heck wouldn't want to be explaining to my fictional ten year old daughter why that man is shoving a baseball bat up that ladies ass while choking her with his penis. which is a perfectly legal act you don't have to look particularly hard to find. And i stand by my original comment that a child is not going to even read a neo nazi website unless they have been exposed to it elsewhere already.
How about sex with animals? dont have to look too hard to find that either. whats your daughter more likely to get ideas from? nazis or images of dogs licking vagina?
Your assumption that i have an aversion to sexual images and a lack of concern for hate speech makes me suspect that you are stupid.
Its simply that sexual imagery that is completely legal (and illegal) can also be damaging to a childs' perception of normal human sexuality that could potentially see them be injured, or various other scenarios. Young teenagers are horny long before they reach legal age, and they are not likely to discuss much about sex with their parents.
On the other hand a child going to a hate speech site and reading it in its entirety and being influenced by it is unlikely. And if they were actually influenced, after going there and reading it all when they had no outside influence to cause them to look at it in the first place(likely?) then it is far more likely for their parents to notice them saying they hate people for various stupid reasons than their parents to know that their 13 year old daughter is sucking dick?
So no am not particularly worried about hate speech sites affecting anyone who already doesn't have that in their environment. Sex sites on the other hand are something children are much more likely to be curious about, ( i have first hand knowledge of several teachers all of whose classes are constantly pulling up inappropriate images, and in a non-surprising twist are known to be promiscuous. have heard no tales of swastikas yet).
I'm not saying i like hate sites, more that they really only pander to those already that way inclined or influenced. sex sites on the other hand are attractive to all who are not prudes. nothing wrong with most of the stuff out there besides the violation of innocents yada yada, but that doesn't mean it isn't in some cases harmful especially for the inexperienced.
boobies? how about an old man being fisted in the ass while a woman stands her high heel on his balls?
is that worse than neo-nazi propaganda? somehow i think that might do more damage than hate speech they would probably not bother to read unless they were already hearing it from somewhere closer to home....
I am an australian who got sick of our fascist ass-licking government, and majority stupid apathetic sport and alcohol addicted populace. I always complained and people always said "If you dont like it, why don't you move somewhere else, like afganistan or something, if you complain over there they'll chop your toungue out or something" One day I was told this for the hundreth time and I stood up and said fuck you, I will then. I now live in norway getting paid double what i got paid before. The various levels of government here resemble nazi germany and/or Stalin's russia at times, and the bureacracy is slow enough to sprout lichen, but at least they generally mind their own business, don't have brown corn chunks in their beards and are not hypocritical and terminally braindead.
Australia will be a banana republic as soon as they finish selling off their raw natural resources at bargain basement prices (hey at least we got the contract!) and selling off all our biggest companies to singapore and others.
"so why exactly do i want to pay $1 for a song that isn't even in full quality,"
because I only want that 1 song. As far a quality goes, I listen to that music on the road, so background noise is a far bigger hit to the quality.
Now, If I was sitting in a room with no background noise at all, listening to a pair of 500 dollar speaker, and had never heard anything over 90 db in my life, than yeah, I might notice a difference.
umm you for some reason didnt mention the DRM part....
also you only listen to that music on the road right? i guess you have a completly different
taste in music when you sit in your loungeroom listening to your stereo.
500 dollar speaker? I'm no audiophile but I can tell, nay FEEL, the difference between compressed
audio, and CD audio with a stereo no better than the average joe.
BTW it must be nice to be one of the blissfully ignorant masses who consumes music like cans of
softdrink.
"that i can burn to as many damn cds as i want i'll pass."
Never been a problem with me and itunes. But if it was, I could use different cd writing software.
"Apple reserves the right to change at any time what you can do with the music you purchase at the
iTunes Music Store." Never been a problem yet. And if indeed you are able to get around this by
using different cd writing software, do you not see that for what it is? using another software to
violate their terms is undoubtably illegal in the US, sort of negates the whole purpose of paying
for a song dont you think?
"umm maybe i dont spend enough time with my tv remote or something, but it took me a few minutes to figure out how to even use the scroll wheel on my brain dead little sisters ipod mini,"
ummm... maybe you are the one that's brain dead.
ummm... maybe you should have continued to evolve your insults past elementary school.
It of course is not intuitive, nothing similar ever existed before it. It looks like it should
work like the joystick on a sega master system, there are no indications of the scrolling action
required. I guess its ok for the little geek who drooled and watched his friend use it for a few
hours in the playground.
"Of course every moron i know"
birds of a feather, eh?
what exactly does that mean? Are you somehow incredibly fortunate that the only people you know are
the same as yourself? If so then this is probably because you are one of the 90% of the human
population who is indeed a moron.
"i gladly inform them that ipod is a brand not a device category, and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that is totally unneeded."
man, you must be ajoy to tlak to.
so, do they get the same tired speach when the ask for a kleenix? People know it's a brand, but people idenitfy with brands. Perhaps you should consider just saying "no, its a T10, and i like it better then the iPod for these reasons..."
Actually no I don't think many people do find me a joy to speak to. The ones that do are the
few people whose eyes don't glaze over at the sound of a conversation that isn't sport or
celebrity hijinks. unfortunately these people are few and far between. Actually that is why I
walk around constantly with my mp3 player in my ears to try to discourage these other people from
even speaking to me. Unfortunatly for me, I have a reputation for actually knowing stuff that
people often want explained to them with a minimum of detail. ie. "my son wants an ipod, what
should I get and where can I get it cheapest?" Of course as soon as I ask the intended usage of
the "ipod" the eye-glazy thing starts again. They just want someone to tell them what to do. Oh
and by the way of the thirty odd people who have asked my advice on "ipods" none of them knew it
was a brand, not the actual type of device it is. Yes I work in the real world with real people
who lives don't revolve around a pc....
"and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that i
umm, yes.
so why exactly do i want to pay $1 for a song that isn't even in full quality, and restricts what i can do with it? Until they sell DRM unemcumbered FLAC or similar lossless codec, that i can burn to as many damn cds as i want i'll pass.
And why would i want to buy a player that is all about vendor lock-in??
I really dont care if my player looks "cool" the sort of peons who think that matters in any way are the people i look straight through anyway. Intuitive??? umm maybe i dont spend enough time with my tv remote or something, but it took me a few minutes to figure out how to even use the scroll wheel on my brain dead little sisters ipod mini, and even after i got the hang of it, it sucked.
Of course every moron i know looks at my iriver T10 and says whats that? an ipod? i was thinking about buying one of those for my.... etc
and i gladly inform them that ipod is a brand not a device category, and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that is totally unneeded. music management software? show me one that doesnt screww things up someway or another and i might consider it. until then i will simply plug it in, and drag and drop to the newly found removable device. not to say the T10 is without its flaws, but it plays ogg, which is good coz i've benn ripping my cds to ogg for about 3-4 years now...
and in the end i have it to play MY music, and not try to exert control over me in any passive-aggressive way, it is simply a device...
3. if you want software that does something for your business either pay pay pay microsoft + proprietry vendor, or hire a competant programming staff and use gpl components to quickly build what you need. As long as you don't give the program to anyone else, you dont need to release the modified source code.
4. if you say fuck off, we are not a software company, then i say no you fuck off, back to microsoft + proprietry vendor and pay pay pay. Most open source programmers are not itching to make some boring software specific to your needs, they make the software they wanna make.
it is not necessary to make huge fines as a deterrent. a much more effective deterrent would be to catch the people who do it.
and lets face it, this is trivial.
just make a petty cybercrimes unit, let them log on to copyrighted torrents, allow the fact that people are connected to torrents as evidence they are infringing.
make it trivial for law enforcement to compell isp's to give out names and adresses, go knock their front door down, take their computer for several weeks, fine them some not palty amount and you will see it drop to zero. of course until the next generation of p2p comes out...
and as always the people who know what they are doing can continue to pirate shit, and give/sell it to their friends family and workmates....
and the stupid n00bs who plague bittorrent sites will magicallly disappear, back to paying paying paying like those stoopids should hahaha
god i'm a prick...
urrr....
thats stupid.
sure the US government researhers invented the concept of large scale networking back in the sixties...
the internet as we know it didnt really start to develop until the eighties, and i bet someone else would have come up with the concept if the US government hadnt already done it. either way the internet has grown far beyond the US and who knows what the US government is doing with the control it has?
routing traffic through its echelon machine?
I don't know.
It's not like the rest of the world NEEDS the US to control the internet or even be a part of it.
sure would be nice to just cut the US off from the rest of the worlds internet. a lot off that spam would dry up, and ooo all those ads i wouldnt have to endure, especially since even if i wanted to buy the shit its only for sale to US people...
anyway don't act like the rest of the world should be grateful for anything the US goverment or private industry has ever invented, coz someone eventually would have invented it, and probably wouldnt have patented and bludgeoned everyone around the head with it. ( i'm not referring to the internet) then again what could we expect from a country that refers to their baseball tornament as "the world series"....
DISCLAIMER: It is 4am here if this makes no sense, i apologise.
if it offends you, be safe in the knowledge your offence causes me to do a little dance
hah! my best friends girlfriend was the one who caught him stealing it! ROFL!
he didnt get 12 days jail for stealing an icecream he was held in custody for twelve days until the president of the childrens court was available to punish him.
FOR VIOLATING HIS PAROLE!
this was because it was part of his parole required that if he put a pinky outta line he would have to go before the president to be sent back to the juvenile detention center. the only reason he wasnt sent back was the stupid media shouted and screamed about him being locked up for "stealing an icecream"
when it was really for violating his parole after he was imprisoned for multiple housebreakings and theft.
they mentioned that at the bottom of the article but the mindles general public dont bother to read the details...
on the contrary, the "unfortunate" people who are unable to get the satellite/ cable and are only able to get free to air broadcasts will actually benefit if this asshat is correct.
if there is no "good" content due to lack of "protection" they might get off their (highly likely to be) big fat asses, and go and do some exercise.
more likely though they will just turn on their xbox360/playstation whatever. unless of course verification servers make their life hell. we can always hope.
for christs sake why did you even buy the damn thing!
surely you knew that the streams were not mp3 streams in the first place, so why set yourself up for a lot of hassle and wasting slashdot subscribers time.
dumbass...
these pieces of crap are not ipod killers.
256kb? wtf is that scheisse.
now try the iriver H320 or H340
perfect for the open source warrior,
plays ogg vorbis , and now with the
latest firmware, Xvid video!
http://iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H320
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1. Hahahahahahahaha 100,000 people? hahahahahaha oh my...
2. Yer those little african kids i see on the TV sitting in a puddle of cowshit with malnutrion and no clean water really need a fucking green plastic laptop so they can use what little energy they have to wind the fucking thing up so they can IM their buddies in the next village...
Exactly what can be taught on a laptop that they can't learn through traditional means? graphic design? leet programming skillz? I'm sure it could one day be made useful on some level, but if humanity in general hasn't managed to significantly alleviate poverty and massive death tolls by disease or simple hunger, what chance do these laptops have of ever making a difference?
Terrorism is performing acts designed to instill fear in a population in order to get that population to bow to the demands of the "terrorists"
ie. It is better to do what they want than to live with such fear.
The september 11 hijackers don't really fit this mold. What exactly are their demands? Is it for the US to stop interfering with their countries? Are their aims simply to convert the world to islam by force? I dont know, or really care what their aims are, but while the small amount of moderately powerful attacks have instilled fear in a small subset of the population of the US, britain and others, its far from the widespread fear a terrorist would hope to generate. I think most of these attacks, (of course they aren't all directly controlled by one organization) are really done with the simple aim of two things.
1. Demonstrate that as powerful as these countries may be, they are not invulnerable.
2. Because of point one, draw the attention that has been lacking for many many years to the things these powerful governments have been doing to other countries, in the name of protecting the priveledges of their relatively wealthy population.
They have already succeeded in both these aims. but the message hasn't got through, and never will.
Don't attack me personally as a sympathizer because I really couldn't give a shit either way
I of course do not advocate banning any site. creating a new TLD does not make it any easier to filter anything though. It looks good on paper for politicians and people who do not understand how the web functions. unfortunately the only way to control what children see on the web is with a whitelist you create yourself. It needs to be said, there is not a massive amount of reasons for children to use the web. using IM to talk to friends constantly is apparently very important. research for school. well seeing as the web has conflicting information anywhere and very little of it is able to be quoted as a research source in higher education it mostly seems as just a good reason for a kid to tell their computer illiterate parents.
i have no such aversion to sexual imagery, although i sure as heck wouldn't want to be explaining to my fictional ten year old daughter why that man is shoving a baseball bat up that ladies ass while choking her with his penis. which is a perfectly legal act you don't have to look particularly hard to find. And i stand by my original comment that a child is not going to even read a neo nazi website unless they have been exposed to it elsewhere already. How about sex with animals? dont have to look too hard to find that either. whats your daughter more likely to get ideas from? nazis or images of dogs licking vagina? Your assumption that i have an aversion to sexual images and a lack of concern for hate speech makes me suspect that you are stupid. Its simply that sexual imagery that is completely legal (and illegal) can also be damaging to a childs' perception of normal human sexuality that could potentially see them be injured, or various other scenarios. Young teenagers are horny long before they reach legal age, and they are not likely to discuss much about sex with their parents. On the other hand a child going to a hate speech site and reading it in its entirety and being influenced by it is unlikely. And if they were actually influenced, after going there and reading it all when they had no outside influence to cause them to look at it in the first place(likely?) then it is far more likely for their parents to notice them saying they hate people for various stupid reasons than their parents to know that their 13 year old daughter is sucking dick? So no am not particularly worried about hate speech sites affecting anyone who already doesn't have that in their environment. Sex sites on the other hand are something children are much more likely to be curious about, ( i have first hand knowledge of several teachers all of whose classes are constantly pulling up inappropriate images, and in a non-surprising twist are known to be promiscuous. have heard no tales of swastikas yet). I'm not saying i like hate sites, more that they really only pander to those already that way inclined or influenced. sex sites on the other hand are attractive to all who are not prudes. nothing wrong with most of the stuff out there besides the violation of innocents yada yada, but that doesn't mean it isn't in some cases harmful especially for the inexperienced.
boobies? how about an old man being fisted in the ass while a woman stands her high heel on his balls? is that worse than neo-nazi propaganda? somehow i think that might do more damage than hate speech they would probably not bother to read unless they were already hearing it from somewhere closer to home....
I am an australian who got sick of our fascist ass-licking government, and majority stupid apathetic sport and alcohol addicted populace.
I always complained and people always said "If you dont like it, why don't you move somewhere else, like afganistan or something, if you complain over there they'll chop your toungue out or something" One day I was told this for the hundreth time and I stood up and said fuck you, I will then.
I now live in norway getting paid double what i got paid before.
The various levels of government here resemble nazi germany and/or Stalin's russia at times, and the bureacracy is slow enough to sprout lichen, but at least they generally mind their own business, don't have brown corn chunks in their beards and are not hypocritical and terminally braindead.
Australia will be a banana republic as soon as they finish selling off their raw natural resources at bargain basement prices (hey at least we got the contract!) and selling off all our biggest companies to singapore and others.
Are You INSANE!?!!
damn that "joystick" thingo, DAMN IT TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!
and for f^*ks sake the preview fucntion shows all my formatting but it is not posted that way
"so why exactly do i want to pay $1 for a song that isn't even in full quality," because I only want that 1 song. As far a quality goes, I listen to that music on the road, so background noise is a far bigger hit to the quality. Now, If I was sitting in a room with no background noise at all, listening to a pair of 500 dollar speaker, and had never heard anything over 90 db in my life, than yeah, I might notice a difference. umm you for some reason didnt mention the DRM part.... also you only listen to that music on the road right? i guess you have a completly different taste in music when you sit in your loungeroom listening to your stereo. 500 dollar speaker? I'm no audiophile but I can tell, nay FEEL, the difference between compressed audio, and CD audio with a stereo no better than the average joe. BTW it must be nice to be one of the blissfully ignorant masses who consumes music like cans of softdrink. "that i can burn to as many damn cds as i want i'll pass." Never been a problem with me and itunes. But if it was, I could use different cd writing software. "Apple reserves the right to change at any time what you can do with the music you purchase at the iTunes Music Store." Never been a problem yet. And if indeed you are able to get around this by using different cd writing software, do you not see that for what it is? using another software to violate their terms is undoubtably illegal in the US, sort of negates the whole purpose of paying for a song dont you think? "umm maybe i dont spend enough time with my tv remote or something, but it took me a few minutes to figure out how to even use the scroll wheel on my brain dead little sisters ipod mini," ummm... maybe you are the one that's brain dead. ummm... maybe you should have continued to evolve your insults past elementary school. It of course is not intuitive, nothing similar ever existed before it. It looks like it should work like the joystick on a sega master system, there are no indications of the scrolling action required. I guess its ok for the little geek who drooled and watched his friend use it for a few hours in the playground. "Of course every moron i know" birds of a feather, eh? what exactly does that mean? Are you somehow incredibly fortunate that the only people you know are the same as yourself? If so then this is probably because you are one of the 90% of the human population who is indeed a moron. "i gladly inform them that ipod is a brand not a device category, and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that is totally unneeded." man, you must be ajoy to tlak to. so, do they get the same tired speach when the ask for a kleenix? People know it's a brand, but people idenitfy with brands. Perhaps you should consider just saying "no, its a T10, and i like it better then the iPod for these reasons..." Actually no I don't think many people do find me a joy to speak to. The ones that do are the few people whose eyes don't glaze over at the sound of a conversation that isn't sport or celebrity hijinks. unfortunately these people are few and far between. Actually that is why I walk around constantly with my mp3 player in my ears to try to discourage these other people from even speaking to me. Unfortunatly for me, I have a reputation for actually knowing stuff that people often want explained to them with a minimum of detail. ie. "my son wants an ipod, what should I get and where can I get it cheapest?" Of course as soon as I ask the intended usage of the "ipod" the eye-glazy thing starts again. They just want someone to tell them what to do. Oh and by the way of the thirty odd people who have asked my advice on "ipods" none of them knew it was a brand, not the actual type of device it is. Yes I work in the real world with real people who lives don't revolve around a pc.... "and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that i
umm, yes. so why exactly do i want to pay $1 for a song that isn't even in full quality, and restricts what i can do with it? Until they sell DRM unemcumbered FLAC or similar lossless codec, that i can burn to as many damn cds as i want i'll pass. And why would i want to buy a player that is all about vendor lock-in?? I really dont care if my player looks "cool" the sort of peons who think that matters in any way are the people i look straight through anyway. Intuitive??? umm maybe i dont spend enough time with my tv remote or something, but it took me a few minutes to figure out how to even use the scroll wheel on my brain dead little sisters ipod mini, and even after i got the hang of it, it sucked. Of course every moron i know looks at my iriver T10 and says whats that? an ipod? i was thinking about buying one of those for my .... etc
and i gladly inform them that ipod is a brand not a device category, and that ipods suck and lock you in to doing all sorts of crap that is totally unneeded. music management software? show me one that doesnt screww things up someway or another and i might consider it. until then i will simply plug it in, and drag and drop to the newly found removable device. not to say the T10 is without its flaws, but it plays ogg, which is good coz i've benn ripping my cds to ogg for about 3-4 years now...
and in the end i have it to play MY music, and not try to exert control over me in any passive-aggressive way, it is simply a device...
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1 272272&forum_id=462894
media player classic et al....
1. linux is not a product.
2. linux is more stable than windows
3. if you want software that does something for your business either pay pay pay microsoft + proprietry vendor, or hire a competant programming staff and use gpl components to quickly build what you need. As long as you don't give the program to anyone else, you dont need to release the modified source code.
4. if you say fuck off, we are not a software company, then i say no you fuck off, back to microsoft + proprietry vendor and pay pay pay.
Most open source programmers are not itching to make some boring software specific to your needs, they make the software they wanna make.
5. oh and STFU
it is not necessary to make huge fines as a deterrent. a much more effective deterrent would be to catch the people who do it. and lets face it, this is trivial. just make a petty cybercrimes unit, let them log on to copyrighted torrents, allow the fact that people are connected to torrents as evidence they are infringing. make it trivial for law enforcement to compell isp's to give out names and adresses, go knock their front door down, take their computer for several weeks, fine them some not palty amount and you will see it drop to zero. of course until the next generation of p2p comes out... and as always the people who know what they are doing can continue to pirate shit, and give/sell it to their friends family and workmates.... and the stupid n00bs who plague bittorrent sites will magicallly disappear, back to paying paying paying like those stoopids should hahaha god i'm a prick...
urrr.... thats stupid. sure the US government researhers invented the concept of large scale networking back in the sixties... the internet as we know it didnt really start to develop until the eighties, and i bet someone else would have come up with the concept if the US government hadnt already done it. either way the internet has grown far beyond the US and who knows what the US government is doing with the control it has? routing traffic through its echelon machine? I don't know. It's not like the rest of the world NEEDS the US to control the internet or even be a part of it. sure would be nice to just cut the US off from the rest of the worlds internet. a lot off that spam would dry up, and ooo all those ads i wouldnt have to endure, especially since even if i wanted to buy the shit its only for sale to US people... anyway don't act like the rest of the world should be grateful for anything the US goverment or private industry has ever invented, coz someone eventually would have invented it, and probably wouldnt have patented and bludgeoned everyone around the head with it. ( i'm not referring to the internet) then again what could we expect from a country that refers to their baseball tornament as "the world series".... DISCLAIMER: It is 4am here if this makes no sense, i apologise. if it offends you, be safe in the knowledge your offence causes me to do a little dance
hah! my best friends girlfriend was the one who caught him stealing it! ROFL! he didnt get 12 days jail for stealing an icecream he was held in custody for twelve days until the president of the childrens court was available to punish him. FOR VIOLATING HIS PAROLE! this was because it was part of his parole required that if he put a pinky outta line he would have to go before the president to be sent back to the juvenile detention center. the only reason he wasnt sent back was the stupid media shouted and screamed about him being locked up for "stealing an icecream" when it was really for violating his parole after he was imprisoned for multiple housebreakings and theft. they mentioned that at the bottom of the article but the mindles general public dont bother to read the details...
on the contrary, the "unfortunate" people who are unable to get the satellite/ cable and are only able to get free to air broadcasts will actually benefit if this asshat is correct. if there is no "good" content due to lack of "protection" they might get off their (highly likely to be) big fat asses, and go and do some exercise. more likely though they will just turn on their xbox360/playstation whatever. unless of course verification servers make their life hell. we can always hope.
for christs sake why did you even buy the damn thing! surely you knew that the streams were not mp3 streams in the first place, so why set yourself up for a lot of hassle and wasting slashdot subscribers time. dumbass...
these pieces of crap are not ipod killers. 256kb? wtf is that scheisse. now try the iriver H320 or H340 perfect for the open source warrior, plays ogg vorbis , and now with the latest firmware, Xvid video! http://iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=H320