Wow, flaimebait for statement of an obvious observation? Pretty obvious the moderators have both an iPhone and penis envy.
Face it, the iPhone is inferior to most phones commonly available in Japan. Most phones available in the west are inferior to what is commonly available in Japan. But, the iPhone is even inferior to most phones competing against it in Western and US markets. You bought an iPhone because it was "hip", not because it was utilitarian. A touch screen for its sole input device is contrary to utilitarian. Which is exactly the point of my original post. If you want a phone "that [just] makes phone calls", you wouldn't be in the market for an iPhone in the first place.
In the end, the post is nothing but an illogical attempt to rationalize owning an iPhone when every layman can easily see the phone being discussed easily makes the iPhone out to be inferior.
Absolutely. Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant.
Developers must be able to download protected applications if they develop protected applications. Period. Keep in mind any application can be "protected"; even free apps. Anything else is shitting on developers. Period. Otherwise is it impossible to test your own release. Otherwise it is impossible to test application upgrades. Otherwise it is impossible to test cross-application communication. How can you properly support your application and your customers if you can't test how they install, upgrade, and use your application. The short answer is, you can't.
Google is crapping all over developers. Until Google implements a real copy protection mechanism which binds an application to a specific phone, they are giving all developers the middle finger. No if, ands, or buts. Google direly needs to fix their half-ass, poorly conceived, completely broken "copy protection" mechanism for something that really works. Period.
Developers are already losing money because of Google's screwup and complete indifference to their own incompetent implementation. Google needs to be shamed into fixing their incompetent solution because they appear to care less they are screwing over the entire developer base.
The G1 has received little fanfare because it's not a good product.
Bullshit. The G1 actually has superior hardware to that of the iPhone. To say the G1 sucks is to say all smart phones suck.
It's about as good as other smartphones from 5 years ago.
Then it seems the iPhone 3G is "as good as other smartphones from 6 years ago." Bullshit.
It's not revolutionary as far as a typical user is concerned.
Please name any phone on the market which is "revolutionary.". There are none. Even the iPhone is evolutionary. So is the G1.
the touch interface is similar to last generation palms.
I assume you mean lack of multi-touch? If not, all phones, save for only the storm, fall into your description.
The included sd card is not big enough to hold a msic collection
It's expandable! 16G isn't enough? How about 32G when they come out? 1G is plenty for new users.
if you want to use headphones you need to use an adapter.
Or use a HTC headset.
The biggest deal breaker is the 7 hour standby battery life, which I'm betting is related to its OS.
Complete bullshit. Try turning off your WIFI and GPS. With those on, that is what you'll get, which is really pretty damn good.
I've gone several days, no problem, including phone calls and modest Internet use. If you have 7-hours "standby" you're not standing by. It really is that simple. And, you can get batteries which extend up to 2.5x what the stock battery provides. That means up to a week in standby.
In a nut shell, its rather obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
Like 5 or 6 of them. Just have a little tiny bit of patience and the products will come to market. 1 year isn't really a long time in the grand scheme of things.
There are as many as 20-android phones slated for release between now and Q1-2010. The phones are for many different carriers. In the near future you should have your choice of Android form factor.
To answer my own question, the G1, and lack of non-htc handsets on the horizon.
Or spend less than five bucks and get a dongle which allows for standard headset use. Checkout Amazon or other online stores - there are tons of options and form factors. You can even get a combo which allows for standard headset, charging, and USB connections all at the same time.
Interesting note here. Garmin is getting into the cell phone business. Their first offerings will be phones which have embedded windows offerings. These phones are to directly compete with TomTom's general purpose location/GPS offerings. I can't help but wonder if there is a connection here.
That may also explain why the initial Garmin offerings were to be Android and was later changed to be a MS offering with Android to be provided sometime, indefinitely, down the road.
It does suggest MS influenced Garmin to change direction in exchange for going after Garmin's competition. And now that MS is going after TomTom, a direct Garmin competitor, it certainly smells like classic MS tactics. It cuts off Android, an admitted threat to MS, while helping Garmin potentially get a leg up on Garmin's competition while further extending MS' reach into the cell world.
Hmm... Now that I write that, I'm more convinced than ever I'm right.
Actually, I'm thinking of a WWII-era plane. I want to say it was a mustang, a twin mustang, or a P38 lightening. I'm a little fuzzy on the facts as it has been a while since I last read about it.
Dealing with the Navy on issues of museums is a bona fide pain in the ass.
Hopefully they fair better than the air force which may at a later date, after the aircraft in question has been fully restored, decide they will steal it back despite contracts clearly stating the current owners. Case is going to before a judge last I heard.
I hate to say this, but you're really asking for something like a netbook
No, I really am not. There is not legitimate reason to make smart phones smaller. The form factor is the perfect size for what it provides. As its size gets smaller so does its usefulness. And in the end, if the device isn't useful, its nothing but an overpriced phone (notice no "smart" there) which I can show my friends so they can say, "gosh...neat....that's useless but cool...you paid how much?"
All you have to have is a brain stem and the ability to actually observe news. The news coverage is and has been very biased and supportive of Obama to the exclusion of everyone else. There have been several exposes done on the quality of news coverage provided to Obama and McCain during the election and the difference was night and day. McCain had to practically chain a reporter to cover him, his position, or event. On the other hand, reporters had a hard time getting to the presses to cover Obama because they couldn't let go of his teats. The Daily Show did an excellent job of contrasting the differences in media coverage.
GWB also has a lover affair with the press when the war started. Ratings spiked. But once he could no longer assure the press' safety in a war zone, go figure, the press quickly turned on him. After all, you can't spike your ratings on a war you can't cover in the field. Once the press realized this, they immediately turned. Lies, both indirect and direct, from the green zone are also well documented. The press is fully aware they misreported lots of information but they never bother to correct it.
Simple fact is, the news is considered entertainment now and as such, they are squarely in media with all that is entertainment in America. Its almost impossible to find unbiased political news. If you really haven't figured this out, you are a puppet, regardless of your political affiliations.
You're only protection from the bias crap that is presented as news is to watch all sides from many different news outlets, especially those from other counties, and figure out the truth is really somewhere in between. As most people are too lazy to do this, it is after all lots of work, most are happy to be spoon fed lies and pretend they are well informed.
The current design trend is for smaller and thinner devices. You better get used to it.:-(
I understand. But this is a smart phone, not a toy. Smaller for a smart phone is stupid. What's the point of having a tool that is too small to use or even see. If you want something really tiny, get a phone as the notion is contrary to everything that makes sense about the smart phone concept. If you want a smart phone, make it big enough to use.
I guess the buying public would rather have something sleek looking to show off for the cool factor rather than something that is actually useful. That's hardly a surprise.
They *still* don't have a headset jack. This is possibly the dumbest lack of a feature ever in a smart phone, and they kept it! The non-standard headphones HTC ships suck, you have to have a bulky dongle to use anything else, and you can't charge while listening to music. Sucks, sucks, sucks!
They don't have one because it is not needed. They are smartly using USB for what its good for. You can charge, listen to music on a headset, and plug it into your computer all at the same time. No problem.
Being HTC, there's no way this phone has a bigger battery than the G1, and battery life will suck.
Doubtful. The images I've seen makes the battery look like its about 2x larger than what the G1 has. And they already have batteries available for the G1 which are only about 33% larger but yield 2x - 2.5x times increase in battery life. And, there are other batteries which are the same size which offer ~40%-50% increase in battery life. Remember, this unit doesn't have a keyboard so that drastically opens the door for a much larger battery. Also, this is a newer generation so I'll be surprised if its power consumption isn't lower. And, Android keeps getting better (especially device drivers) which also creates lots of room for more power efficiency. IMO, it is very unlikely power will be an issue with this unit.
My reaction to the first Android phone was that it is so bulky
I never understand these statements. I added armor to my phone which considerably bulks it up in addition to protecting it. The bulked up size actually fits my hand. On the other hand, hehe, my G1 fits my wife's hands just about right. And with the added armour, its equally comfortable for her.
Unless you're a teenage girl or have really effeminate, child-like hands, the iPhone and really, the only slightly larger G1, is too small in its native form. I can't tell you how many times I've almost dropped my G1 because it is too small. With the armour added, its just about the right size. Unless you have child sized hands, or are packing it to sneak it into prison, I simply don't understand these comments about smart phone size.
I never got this Cellphone Keyboard obsession thing. Even ones with real keyboards they are just good for typing short messages, really small buttons makes it hard to type.
I assume you've never actually used one. That "really hard to [type]", keyboard is far more efficient, faster to use, and less error prone than the on-screen variants. And as a bonus, you're not surrendering huge chunks of screen real-estate to support a clunky, non-tactile, error-prone, slow keyboard.
Any smart phone which does not have a real keyboard is deficient IMO. Again, IMO, this is a classic trade off between utilitarian function and stylish fashion. The iPhone is an 8-inch stiletto. The G1 is a running shoe. For some, it's all about function. For others its all about style. To each his own.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing GCC. But each offers unique advantages. GCC provides portability and vast cpu support and does a descent job of optimizing. MS' provides wicked fast compiles, awesome optimizations, but no portability to speak of and only one CPU+variants.
GCC is getting better and is now offering optimizations which they never before offered. Having said that, for many users, 4.x generates code which is slower than 3.x. They're still working on it. It's possible the 4.4 stuff finally gets ahead for a general purpose workload. All the same, both MS and Intel's compiler still stomp GCC, usually by a wide margin (20%-50%). Perhaps things have changed in the last 12-18 months, but if they have, it is news to me.
If GCC is holding its own against Intel's compiler for your work load, I suspect it is a combination of factors. One, for your workload GCC's optimizations are actually doing things properly. And two, your workload is likely a non-ideal candidate for Intel's palethera of optimization capabilities. Regardless, it certainly is impressive if GCC is now capable of holding its own. Either that or you have a lot of assembly mixed in.
The native MS compiler is actually pretty dang good. It out compiles gcc any day of the week. MS need only worry about optimization details for a single architecture and platform. The GCC guys on the other hand have to optimize for tons of different chips, variants, and platforms, and as such are much more limited in what they can do. Furthermore, its is very likely the MS compiler supports many optimizations which GCC simply doesn't even support.
So its really not fair to say they created a half-assed version for Linux. There are many potential reasons why performance can greatly vary between platforms - especially if different compilers are used to create the builds.
Now here is some food for thought. Considering MS has a vastly superior compiler which commonly generates code 20%-50% faster, and in some corner cases even more than GCC, now imagine how poorly much of their code is written such that Linux with such a performance penalty, due to its native compiler, commonly out performs Windows. Hmmmm....
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Wow, flaimebait for statement of an obvious observation? Pretty obvious the moderators have both an iPhone and penis envy.
Face it, the iPhone is inferior to most phones commonly available in Japan. Most phones available in the west are inferior to what is commonly available in Japan. But, the iPhone is even inferior to most phones competing against it in Western and US markets. You bought an iPhone because it was "hip", not because it was utilitarian. A touch screen for its sole input device is contrary to utilitarian. Which is exactly the point of my original post. If you want a phone "that [just] makes phone calls", you wouldn't be in the market for an iPhone in the first place.
In the end, the post is nothing but an illogical attempt to rationalize owning an iPhone when every layman can easily see the phone being discussed easily makes the iPhone out to be inferior.
The rest of us just want a phone that makes phone calls without having to click through 50 damn menus. And that looks kind of nice. That's the iPhone.
Great way to rationalize an inferior product.
and features 3-G, GPS, a 5.1-megapixel camera, and motion sensors for Wii-style games. 'When I show this to visitors from the US, they're amazed,'
Android G1 owners wouldn't be "amazed". After all, it they are describing a G1.
Here is a post I read yesterday which nicely sums up the situation.
You're banned only from using apps where the apps are only available from the Google store, and which cost money.
Wrong! Any application can be marked, "protected", including free applications. Some free applications are marked protected.
The rest of your post is non-sense as it is based on incorrect assumptions.
Absolutely. Anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant.
Developers must be able to download protected applications if they develop protected applications. Period. Keep in mind any application can be "protected"; even free apps. Anything else is shitting on developers. Period. Otherwise is it impossible to test your own release. Otherwise it is impossible to test application upgrades. Otherwise it is impossible to test cross-application communication. How can you properly support your application and your customers if you can't test how they install, upgrade, and use your application. The short answer is, you can't.
Google is crapping all over developers. Until Google implements a real copy protection mechanism which binds an application to a specific phone, they are giving all developers the middle finger. No if, ands, or buts. Google direly needs to fix their half-ass, poorly conceived, completely broken "copy protection" mechanism for something that really works. Period.
Developers are already losing money because of Google's screwup and complete indifference to their own incompetent implementation. Google needs to be shamed into fixing their incompetent solution because they appear to care less they are screwing over the entire developer base.
The G1 has received little fanfare because it's not a good product.
Bullshit. The G1 actually has superior hardware to that of the iPhone. To say the G1 sucks is to say all smart phones suck.
It's about as good as other smartphones from 5 years ago.
Then it seems the iPhone 3G is "as good as other smartphones from 6 years ago." Bullshit.
It's not revolutionary as far as a typical user is concerned.
Please name any phone on the market which is "revolutionary.". There are none. Even the iPhone is evolutionary. So is the G1.
the touch interface is similar to last generation palms.
I assume you mean lack of multi-touch? If not, all phones, save for only the storm, fall into your description.
The included sd card is not big enough to hold a msic collection
It's expandable! 16G isn't enough? How about 32G when they come out? 1G is plenty for new users.
if you want to use headphones you need to use an adapter.
Or use a HTC headset.
The biggest deal breaker is the 7 hour standby battery life, which I'm betting is related to its OS.
Complete bullshit. Try turning off your WIFI and GPS. With those on, that is what you'll get, which is really pretty damn good.
I've gone several days, no problem, including phone calls and modest Internet use. If you have 7-hours "standby" you're not standing by. It really is that simple. And, you can get batteries which extend up to 2.5x what the stock battery provides. That means up to a week in standby.
In a nut shell, its rather obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
Like 5 or 6 of them. Just have a little tiny bit of patience and the products will come to market. 1 year isn't really a long time in the grand scheme of things.
There are as many as 20-android phones slated for release between now and Q1-2010. The phones are for many different carriers. In the near future you should have your choice of Android form factor.
Verizon has one more Android phones coming this year. Several more slated for 2010.
To answer my own question, the G1, and lack of non-htc handsets on the horizon.
Or spend less than five bucks and get a dongle which allows for standard headset use. Checkout Amazon or other online stores - there are tons of options and form factors. You can even get a combo which allows for standard headset, charging, and USB connections all at the same time.
Interesting note here. Garmin is getting into the cell phone business. Their first offerings will be phones which have embedded windows offerings. These phones are to directly compete with TomTom's general purpose location/GPS offerings. I can't help but wonder if there is a connection here.
That may also explain why the initial Garmin offerings were to be Android and was later changed to be a MS offering with Android to be provided sometime, indefinitely, down the road.
It does suggest MS influenced Garmin to change direction in exchange for going after Garmin's competition. And now that MS is going after TomTom, a direct Garmin competitor, it certainly smells like classic MS tactics. It cuts off Android, an admitted threat to MS, while helping Garmin potentially get a leg up on Garmin's competition while further extending MS' reach into the cell world.
Hmm... Now that I write that, I'm more convinced than ever I'm right.
There are no Crocodiles in Florida, except in zoo's or animal parks.
You say that only because you've yet to visit the sewers of Florida. ;)
Actually, I'm thinking of a WWII-era plane. I want to say it was a mustang, a twin mustang, or a P38 lightening. I'm a little fuzzy on the facts as it has been a while since I last read about it.
I have to agree with you. If it doesn't have wifi I don't see the point. And having a couple of relays would be really nice too.
Dealing with the Navy on issues of museums is a bona fide pain in the ass.
Hopefully they fair better than the air force which may at a later date, after the aircraft in question has been fully restored, decide they will steal it back despite contracts clearly stating the current owners. Case is going to before a judge last I heard.
If poked, I imagine I can dig up a link.
I hate to say this, but you're really asking for something like a netbook
No, I really am not. There is not legitimate reason to make smart phones smaller. The form factor is the perfect size for what it provides. As its size gets smaller so does its usefulness. And in the end, if the device isn't useful, its nothing but an overpriced phone (notice no "smart" there) which I can show my friends so they can say, "gosh...neat....that's useless but cool...you paid how much?"
Bullshit.
All you have to have is a brain stem and the ability to actually observe news. The news coverage is and has been very biased and supportive of Obama to the exclusion of everyone else. There have been several exposes done on the quality of news coverage provided to Obama and McCain during the election and the difference was night and day. McCain had to practically chain a reporter to cover him, his position, or event. On the other hand, reporters had a hard time getting to the presses to cover Obama because they couldn't let go of his teats. The Daily Show did an excellent job of contrasting the differences in media coverage.
GWB also has a lover affair with the press when the war started. Ratings spiked. But once he could no longer assure the press' safety in a war zone, go figure, the press quickly turned on him. After all, you can't spike your ratings on a war you can't cover in the field. Once the press realized this, they immediately turned. Lies, both indirect and direct, from the green zone are also well documented. The press is fully aware they misreported lots of information but they never bother to correct it.
Simple fact is, the news is considered entertainment now and as such, they are squarely in media with all that is entertainment in America. Its almost impossible to find unbiased political news. If you really haven't figured this out, you are a puppet, regardless of your political affiliations.
You're only protection from the bias crap that is presented as news is to watch all sides from many different news outlets, especially those from other counties, and figure out the truth is really somewhere in between. As most people are too lazy to do this, it is after all lots of work, most are happy to be spoon fed lies and pretend they are well informed.
The current design trend is for smaller and thinner devices. You better get used to it. :-(
I understand. But this is a smart phone, not a toy. Smaller for a smart phone is stupid. What's the point of having a tool that is too small to use or even see. If you want something really tiny, get a phone as the notion is contrary to everything that makes sense about the smart phone concept. If you want a smart phone, make it big enough to use.
I guess the buying public would rather have something sleek looking to show off for the cool factor rather than something that is actually useful. That's hardly a surprise.
They *still* don't have a headset jack. This is possibly the dumbest lack of a feature ever in a smart phone, and they kept it! The non-standard headphones HTC ships suck, you have to have a bulky dongle to use anything else, and you can't charge while listening to music. Sucks, sucks, sucks!
They don't have one because it is not needed. They are smartly using USB for what its good for. You can charge, listen to music on a headset, and plug it into your computer all at the same time. No problem.
Being HTC, there's no way this phone has a bigger battery than the G1, and battery life will suck.
Doubtful. The images I've seen makes the battery look like its about 2x larger than what the G1 has. And they already have batteries available for the G1 which are only about 33% larger but yield 2x - 2.5x times increase in battery life. And, there are other batteries which are the same size which offer ~40%-50% increase in battery life. Remember, this unit doesn't have a keyboard so that drastically opens the door for a much larger battery. Also, this is a newer generation so I'll be surprised if its power consumption isn't lower. And, Android keeps getting better (especially device drivers) which also creates lots of room for more power efficiency. IMO, it is very unlikely power will be an issue with this unit.
My reaction to the first Android phone was that it is so bulky
I never understand these statements. I added armor to my phone which considerably bulks it up in addition to protecting it. The bulked up size actually fits my hand. On the other hand, hehe, my G1 fits my wife's hands just about right. And with the added armour, its equally comfortable for her.
Unless you're a teenage girl or have really effeminate, child-like hands, the iPhone and really, the only slightly larger G1, is too small in its native form. I can't tell you how many times I've almost dropped my G1 because it is too small. With the armour added, its just about the right size. Unless you have child sized hands, or are packing it to sneak it into prison, I simply don't understand these comments about smart phone size.
I never got this Cellphone Keyboard obsession thing. Even ones with real keyboards they are just good for typing short messages, really small buttons makes it hard to type.
I assume you've never actually used one. That "really hard to [type]", keyboard is far more efficient, faster to use, and less error prone than the on-screen variants. And as a bonus, you're not surrendering huge chunks of screen real-estate to support a clunky, non-tactile, error-prone, slow keyboard.
Any smart phone which does not have a real keyboard is deficient IMO. Again, IMO, this is a classic trade off between utilitarian function and stylish fashion. The iPhone is an 8-inch stiletto. The G1 is a running shoe. For some, it's all about function. For others its all about style. To each his own.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing GCC. But each offers unique advantages. GCC provides portability and vast cpu support and does a descent job of optimizing. MS' provides wicked fast compiles, awesome optimizations, but no portability to speak of and only one CPU+variants.
GCC is getting better and is now offering optimizations which they never before offered. Having said that, for many users, 4.x generates code which is slower than 3.x. They're still working on it. It's possible the 4.4 stuff finally gets ahead for a general purpose workload. All the same, both MS and Intel's compiler still stomp GCC, usually by a wide margin (20%-50%). Perhaps things have changed in the last 12-18 months, but if they have, it is news to me.
If GCC is holding its own against Intel's compiler for your work load, I suspect it is a combination of factors. One, for your workload GCC's optimizations are actually doing things properly. And two, your workload is likely a non-ideal candidate for Intel's palethera of optimization capabilities. Regardless, it certainly is impressive if GCC is now capable of holding its own. Either that or you have a lot of assembly mixed in.
Wrong. Gcc is primarily interested in X86, spark, ARM, and PPC. That's a huge difference.
And Apple is using LLVM for a variety of different solutions. Some well publicized, some not.
The native MS compiler is actually pretty dang good. It out compiles gcc any day of the week. MS need only worry about optimization details for a single architecture and platform. The GCC guys on the other hand have to optimize for tons of different chips, variants, and platforms, and as such are much more limited in what they can do. Furthermore, its is very likely the MS compiler supports many optimizations which GCC simply doesn't even support.
So its really not fair to say they created a half-assed version for Linux. There are many potential reasons why performance can greatly vary between platforms - especially if different compilers are used to create the builds.
Now here is some food for thought. Considering MS has a vastly superior compiler which commonly generates code 20%-50% faster, and in some corner cases even more than GCC, now imagine how poorly much of their code is written such that Linux with such a performance penalty, due to its native compiler, commonly out performs Windows. Hmmmm....