However, many developers still prefer the old suite and are gearing up to start a development group independent of the Mozilla Foundation and branch off from Mozilla 1.7. For this purpose, it has been suggested that they call the software "The Seamonkey Internet Suite" because, no longer being affiliated with Mozilla, they can't use the "Mozilla" name.
Sounds like a good idea. After all, why not? Mozilla suite is a good piece of software, and was my chief web browser until Firefox 0.6 (Firebird).
If Mozilla Foundation does let seamonkey die off, I think there should be a group dedicated to improving the codebase independantly of Mozilla.
I tried to install firefox on a friend's computer with those same stats.. The thing wouldn't even get past the "Would you like to set this as default browser?" -- and would lock up.
>>Internet Explorer DOES install and work on that configuration.
Sure. IE will install and work on anything, if you can get Win95 on it. But would you really want to use it on an old machine? All you have to do is hit ONE website with the cascading popups feature, and the auto-download of spyware; and your computer is now too slow to run IE.
>>As a personal opinion: honestly, I can't see why one would want to use Firefox under Linux at all.
>For me, it's the extensions. If not for that I'd be using Konqueror.
I agree. I love Konq, but it doesn't have some of the features that firefox has, such as Adblock and Flashblock. Now that Konq is supported, somewhat, with GMail, that last web hurdle is now complete. Now all I want is my Adblock for Konqi.
Konqueror 3.3.2 works now, but still says that it is a "unsupported browser" and gives me the plain HTML interface. Funny how I didn't notice much difference. Good job Google!
I'm actually glad. I'm still a die-hard Firefox user, but I still love konq. Plus konq loads much quicker than firefox.
Actually, Linux's problem in the marketplace is simply marketing.
I have alot of non-technical friends that I hang out with. If I ask any of them what Linux is, 4 out of 5 go "Huh, what?", and the other only knows about it because of me.
Ask them the same question, but only about Windows this time, and they go "Oh yeah, I know that P.O.S.!".(*)
Simply put, people just do not know about alternatives. They have heard of Macs, but their opinions on them are still in the pre-G4 beige box era (When Macs SUCKED. -- They don't now.) and that they are expensive (They still are, even Minis are more spendy than some cheap-ass PCs I've seen).
The thing is, people will give a "flying fuck" about a certain technology, if they are able to at least SEE it. My friends that I have shown Linux to, all want me to install it on their computers. My own mother prefers Linux, and she is the least computer-minded person I've met. Give people a medium to view a technology, and they'll make up their own opinions on it.
Linux isn't going to sell until it gets mindshare. I think this is what the whole "advocacy thing" is about.
(*) I have yet to meet someone that loves Windows. Its always a "necessary evil" to them ('cuz they don't know any better. Nothing wrong with that.)
Yeah, but just wait until Microsoft starts The Great Patent War(TM) against Linux. Don't tell me they're just gathering all these ridiculous patents for their own protection. That kind of thinking is purely naive.
I have to agree with the parent here on this one. Despite the fact that AOL butchered up our favorite browser with this... thing, they really haven't done anything wrong here.
In fact, I'd rather have more users use SOMETHING, anything, other than IE to webbrowse, and if Netscape8 does it, more power to them.
Hell, maybe Netscape 8 will eventually turn users to Firefox eventually (hopefully) as Netscape 7 did to turn me to Mozilla, and later Firebird (then later Firefox). It could happen.
The slashdot crowd has nothing to worry here. We still have our multiplatform Firefox browser here. Its all good. I'm actually glad that this netscape is win-only, we don't NEED it. (We as in the Linux/BSD/Mac users.)
Besides; how long would it be before there are themes for this Netscape browser that makes it have a more, integrated UI design? I give it a week.
Yes. This is one thing MandrakeMove or whatever it was called did.
But yeah, Knoppix, Mepis, Ubuntu--I'm sure they all do this.
Very handy, its like a portable computer without the computer--just make sure you have a x86 terminal with a USB port and enough memory to run the LiveCD. As soon as I can afford a USB keychain thingy, I may try this. I can see potential for this. (Wish I had this in school.)
Only if you sue Adobe. There is no automatic lawsuits for patent infringement, you actually have to make the effort to file the lawsuit yourself.
Would you have a case (again, theorically if you did have that patent BEFORE Photoshop was released)? My guess is yes, and Adobe would have to pay. Here's the problem: They have lawyers and money to back them, you most likely, do not. Just like Gimp.org.
This is why patents (at least the broad generalization type patents for software) simply suck. Patent one-click purchasing? Come on.
Patents on software is like patents for books. What if there was a patent for "medieval fantasy" before Tolkien wrote The Hobbit? It would suck for him would'nt it? I guess the question is: Is software more like hardware, that it does a function--or is it art? or Science?
Wow. Really that old? I've only heard of it recently (coincidently when I switched to Linux). Maybe it was more popular with Unix systems back then, and only very recently in the MS world.
BTW:.PNG kicks ass. Too bad IE doesn't like them (Transparent ones definately).
Yahoo! has a partnership with SBC (One of them "baby bells"; and the one that bought out 'or merged' with Ma Bell AT&T). They do that SBC-Yahoo! DSL internet service, which I, unfortunately, use. Half of my $25-30-something a month internet fees must be going to them so yeah, they make money.
Also considering where I live you really only have two choices of Broadband--Cox and SBC; since I already had a phone account with SBC, getting the DSL was much cheaper then getting cable TV & cable internet (You can't just get cable internet w/o TV.) Therefore, they own half of the broadband services here.
Agreed. Everybody that always piss and moan about GTA never PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. Shoot a cop. OK, now run over someone in the escape. Every FUCKING intersection is about 5 cop cars trying to KILL you. None of this sugarcoat "arrest 'em" motif, but their intention is to completely destroy you.
This isn't like real life. Cops just don't materialize at every intersection. Maybe this kid went into a PayNSpray or something...
Now if you excuse me, I must go and spraypaint the apartment complex across the street. You know, representin'. After that, maybe I'll stop off at the Pizza Shop, get some food and shoot the clerk. (Cash, check, or 9mm bullet?)
--Mishura, Proud GTA/Postal2/Doom/anything with blood, really, gamer. Not Insane (We thinksss...)
DRM Hardware? No problem. Just don't buy it! Do you really need the latest l33t 4ud1gy card (one with DRM sensors in the line-out, or no line-out)?
Plus, its a given that DRM-hardware will not perform as much as their non-DRM equivelants. (At least, how I theorize..) Let your wallet do the talking. Don't ever buy DRM-hardware, and you know that hardware manufacturers will make them. It is only a matter of time.
However, I'd like to see on the PPC side; Mac OSX server vs. opensource Darwin (not apple's OSX server) vs. Yellowdog (or debian, or gentoo..) linux. Plase, just for f**ks sake, do not try to compare these with the x86 results. Apples n Oranges. (or is that Intels?)
LAMP rocks. For a simple web server that makes use of PHP; its simply the easiest, and the performance ain't half-bad. If you can do this w/o much headache, then why bother with alternatives? (Plus all the components of LAMP is opensource; another plus!)
Does Postgres/Firebird/etc rock? Perhaps. But MySQL is the most "documented". I can walk into the bookstore and come out with some nice books about PHP/MySQL from different levels of difficulty. That's why its popular.
Its all about documentation. Printed documentation is the BEST. I simply hate reading stuff on a computer. I'll take a dead-tree book over an ebook or html docs anyday. (No offense to trees.:) )
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However, many developers still prefer the old suite and are gearing up to start a development group independent of the Mozilla Foundation and branch off from Mozilla 1.7. For this purpose, it has been suggested that they call the software "The Seamonkey Internet Suite" because, no longer being affiliated with Mozilla, they can't use the "Mozilla" name.
Sounds like a good idea. After all, why not? Mozilla suite is a good piece of software, and was my chief web browser until Firefox 0.6 (Firebird).
If Mozilla Foundation does let seamonkey die off, I think there should be a group dedicated to improving the codebase independantly of Mozilla.
I tried to install firefox on a friend's computer with those same stats.. The thing wouldn't even get past the "Would you like to set this as default browser?" -- and would lock up.
>>Internet Explorer DOES install and work on that configuration.
Sure. IE will install and work on anything, if you can get Win95 on it. But would you really want to use it on an old machine? All you have to do is hit ONE website with the cascading popups feature, and the auto-download of spyware; and your computer is now too slow to run IE.
>>As a personal opinion: honestly, I can't see why one would want to use Firefox under Linux at all.
>For me, it's the extensions. If not for that I'd be using Konqueror.
I agree. I love Konq, but it doesn't have some of the features that firefox has, such as Adblock and Flashblock. Now that Konq is supported, somewhat, with GMail, that last web hurdle is now complete. Now all I want is my Adblock for Konqi.
At least you are not using Lynx. You may get arrested for that!
I also have about 50 or so invites that I am not using.
Same as parent, my username at gmail dot com. I'll get you an invite.
Konqueror 3.3.2 works now, but still says that it is a "unsupported browser" and gives me the plain HTML interface. Funny how I didn't notice much difference. Good job Google!
I'm actually glad. I'm still a die-hard Firefox user, but I still love konq. Plus konq loads much quicker than firefox.
Actually, Linux's problem in the marketplace is simply marketing.
I have alot of non-technical friends that I hang out with. If I ask any of them what Linux is, 4 out of 5 go "Huh, what?", and the other only knows about it because of me.
Ask them the same question, but only about Windows this time, and they go "Oh yeah, I know that P.O.S.!".(*)
Simply put, people just do not know about alternatives. They have heard of Macs, but their opinions on them are still in the pre-G4 beige box era (When Macs SUCKED. -- They don't now.) and that they are expensive (They still are, even Minis are more spendy than some cheap-ass PCs I've seen).
The thing is, people will give a "flying fuck" about a certain technology, if they are able to at least SEE it. My friends that I have shown Linux to, all want me to install it on their computers. My own mother prefers Linux, and she is the least computer-minded person I've met. Give people a medium to view a technology, and they'll make up their own opinions on it.
Linux isn't going to sell until it gets mindshare. I think this is what the whole "advocacy thing" is about.
(*) I have yet to meet someone that loves Windows. Its always a "necessary evil" to them ('cuz they don't know any better. Nothing wrong with that.)
Yeah, but just wait until Microsoft starts The Great Patent War(TM) against Linux. Don't tell me they're just gathering all these ridiculous patents for their own protection. That kind of thinking is purely naive.
I use ed, you righteous bastard!
Because Frogger kicks ass. Hands down.
I especially love to see them get squished on the highway. Hey, wait a minute.. that VIOLENT!!!11one1!
I have to agree with the parent here on this one. Despite the fact that AOL butchered up our favorite browser with this... thing, they really haven't done anything wrong here.
In fact, I'd rather have more users use SOMETHING, anything, other than IE to webbrowse, and if Netscape8 does it, more power to them.
Hell, maybe Netscape 8 will eventually turn users to Firefox eventually (hopefully) as Netscape 7 did to turn me to Mozilla, and later Firebird (then later Firefox). It could happen.
The slashdot crowd has nothing to worry here. We still have our multiplatform Firefox browser here. Its all good. I'm actually glad that this netscape is win-only, we don't NEED it. (We as in the Linux/BSD/Mac users.)
Besides; how long would it be before there are themes for this Netscape browser that makes it have a more, integrated UI design? I give it a week.
No dude! Thats what torrents are for!
OC? Fuck that. If I wanted to bleed from my eyes and ears, I'd watch Episode 1, dammit.
But yeah, Knoppix, Mepis, Ubuntu--I'm sure they all do this.
Very handy, its like a portable computer without the computer--just make sure you have a x86 terminal with a USB port and enough memory to run the LiveCD. As soon as I can afford a USB keychain thingy, I may try this. I can see potential for this. (Wish I had this in school.)
Or if you use Blackbox WM, could it be:
The BLACK plague???!?!?!!one!11
Or watch Hentai. Its like pr0n for anime fans. ;)
Only if you sue Adobe. There is no automatic lawsuits for patent infringement, you actually have to make the effort to file the lawsuit yourself.
Would you have a case (again, theorically if you did have that patent BEFORE Photoshop was released)? My guess is yes, and Adobe would have to pay. Here's the problem: They have lawyers and money to back them, you most likely, do not. Just like Gimp.org.
This is why patents (at least the broad generalization type patents for software) simply suck. Patent one-click purchasing? Come on.
Patents on software is like patents for books. What if there was a patent for "medieval fantasy" before Tolkien wrote The Hobbit? It would suck for him would'nt it? I guess the question is: Is software more like hardware, that it does a function--or is it art? or Science?
Wow. Really that old? I've only heard of it recently (coincidently when I switched to Linux). Maybe it was more popular with Unix systems back then, and only very recently in the MS world.
BTW: .PNG kicks ass. Too bad IE doesn't like them (Transparent ones definately).
Yahoo! has a partnership with SBC (One of them "baby bells"; and the one that bought out 'or merged' with Ma Bell AT&T). They do that SBC-Yahoo! DSL internet service, which I, unfortunately, use. Half of my $25-30-something a month internet fees must be going to them so yeah, they make money.
Also considering where I live you really only have two choices of Broadband--Cox and SBC; since I already had a phone account with SBC, getting the DSL was much cheaper then getting cable TV & cable internet (You can't just get cable internet w/o TV.) Therefore, they own half of the broadband services here.
Firefox 1.0 (WinXP) blocks it for me, and I'm sure Firefox/1.0/Debian-Linux will too since they're set up the same.
Agreed. Everybody that always piss and moan about GTA never PLAY THE FUCKING GAME. Shoot a cop. OK, now run over someone in the escape. Every FUCKING intersection is about 5 cop cars trying to KILL you. None of this sugarcoat "arrest 'em" motif, but their intention is to completely destroy you.
This isn't like real life. Cops just don't materialize at every intersection. Maybe this kid went into a PayNSpray or something...
Now if you excuse me, I must go and spraypaint the apartment complex across the street. You know, representin'. After that, maybe I'll stop off at the Pizza Shop, get some food and shoot the clerk. (Cash, check, or 9mm bullet?)
--Mishura, Proud GTA/Postal2/Doom/anything with blood, really, gamer. Not Insane (We thinksss...)
Shh!!! Don't give them any ideas!
DRM Hardware? No problem. Just don't buy it! Do you really need the latest l33t 4ud1gy card (one with DRM sensors in the line-out, or no line-out)?
Plus, its a given that DRM-hardware will not perform as much as their non-DRM equivelants. (At least, how I theorize..) Let your wallet do the talking. Don't ever buy DRM-hardware, and you know that hardware manufacturers will make them. It is only a matter of time.
Yes, but I don't need to reinstall lilo If I want to add another kernel. Editing grub is also easy.
Lilo had its place, years ago. Now it should die (or innovate? Why not; you think lilo is teh best, make it better than grub!).
PPC architecture, yes. All these OSes run on x86.
However, I'd like to see on the PPC side; Mac OSX server vs. opensource Darwin (not apple's OSX server) vs. Yellowdog (or debian, or gentoo..) linux. Plase, just for f**ks sake, do not try to compare these with the x86 results. Apples n Oranges. (or is that Intels?)
LAMP rocks. For a simple web server that makes use of PHP; its simply the easiest, and the performance ain't half-bad. If you can do this w/o much headache, then why bother with alternatives? (Plus all the components of LAMP is opensource; another plus!)
:) )
Does Postgres/Firebird/etc rock? Perhaps. But MySQL is the most "documented". I can walk into the bookstore and come out with some nice books about PHP/MySQL from different levels of difficulty. That's why its popular.
Its all about documentation. Printed documentation is the BEST. I simply hate reading stuff on a computer. I'll take a dead-tree book over an ebook or html docs anyday. (No offense to trees.