I'm sure we all know somwhere in the middle east who would happily host those benchmarks for a minor fee, the EULA's can't really touch them out there:)
the thing I really want to know though...how did the place stay open 24/7 for 20 days straight? aren't they supposed to close every night or was that china?
Whats more amazing is the internet connection and game server stayed up that long.
Theres only so many books you can read on the subject - no matter how hard core you are.
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> Perl is at least as portable as Java, it just makes less fuss about it.
I've never seen perl on mobile phones;)
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> > Its much more than just ramped up c/c++. It's a platform of it's own. > > c/c++ is compiled, as I am sure you are aware. For the most part java > > byte code is not executeable as such, its something between executeable > > and script, close enough to script to be decompiled directly to it's > > original structure. > > So it's ramped up C/C++ changed to be bytecode like perl etc. so it runs > at their speeds. What a great idea!
Perl is more of a system level language than java. Java is more of it's own platform. From the programmers point of view perl is more like interpreted c, hence why sys admins love it so much.
They each have their merits, just don't try and compare the two together as they're totally different.
The point of java is portability. Fast, cheap, reliable, pick any two.
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> > Languages don't cause bad programs to be written -- > > bad programmers do! > > Nonsense. Languages can be specifcally designed to > encourage and assist programmers in achieving > different outcomes. PHP - being poorly designed - > encourages poor practices and certainly does not > enforce or even encourage secure code. Hence why > it is an absolute disaster in practice.
I don't think it's really fair to claim that a language which is designed for those who are more familar with strings.h to be the cause of faulty, or buggy pages. The fault is that of the programmers for not doing their home work.
That said, there are some improvements in later versions. This whole article is comparing one type of programming language with a totally different type and thus partly an unfair question as it will slant towards the more popular language paradigm rather than discussing the merits of either.
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Its much more than just ramped up c/c++. It's a platform of it's own. c/c++ is compiled, as I am sure you are aware. For the most part java byte code is not executeable as such, its something between executeable and script, close enough to script to be decompiled directly to it's original structure.
Yes perl is nice, but perl itself is 90's also.
There are ofcourse something that java has which these others do not, such as stronger types and a good OOP.
> > Problems may occour for mirror sites of course. > Is occour the British spelling of occur? Anyone who knows the queens English can tell you that it's just my misspelling.
Surely, at most, the control can only be over the root NS. If it's anything else, the UK citizens can always instruct their DNS cache to only respond on *.uk... Problems may occour for mirror sites of course.
Did you ever use OOo? If yes, and you have a grain of objectivity in you, you'll know.
As one friend of mine said: We ("the geeky") use OOo only because there's nothing better out there that will run on Linux (and similar systems). The thing is: it's buggy, it's bloated and compared to some other commercial software, it's not very feature-rich. The user interface is tolerable. (My authority to make this claims comes from using it exclusively as an office-application-set for two years, and I'm a demanding user:) OOo 2 has bugs that 1.1 didn't have.)
It's great that it exists, but it's just not as good as Firefox and others on the list, even though they also contain nasty known bugs.
That just doesn't make any sense, just because you have an opinnion of OO does not give you authority to make that judgement. I too have used OO, I was using StarOffice back in 1998. It wasn't bad then, and as time has passed I've seen nothing but improvement in this software. It has far less bugs than MS Office, which I do not consider an application suitable for Office work on anything but the latest hardware as it continues to bloat yeilding increased boot latency.
Besides, those who are truely geeky and wise use latex, or troff.
ActiveX has been a huge problem with IE (you should know this already). I hope ActiveX is removed, rather than improved. It would reduce people's dependancy on the browser, perhaps then authors will consider cross platforms, or rather, the forced to do things that are cross platform.
I've heard bad things about mplayer, and that it's future is limited to it not being designed in modules, basically xine has a brigter future becuase of better design. How true that is, I don't know. If you havn't already, give xine a go.
I think that more skinny people use linux than windows. Time after time I see fat people using windows as it offers simple and quick results, but with a long term loss. On the other hand I see skinny people using linux which requires more initial work, but with a longer term benefit thus allowing time futher down the road for time in the gym. Am I the only one who sees this?
Could it be that the active gene dominates in Linux fanatics?
I've not bought/Linux/ since 1996, and now you tell me I should have paid for all those copies I downloaded. This article is utter nonsense, Linux is by the people for the people you shouldn't have to pay for it if you make a contribution. How can the author publish such a silly statistic.
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You can't do that as a normal user... unless you're using a non-standard shell.
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Slashdot Mirror
I'm sure we all know somwhere in the middle east who would happily host those benchmarks for a minor fee, the EULA's can't really touch them out there :)
[duck and cover]
That's because the postgres users have nothing better to do
[/duck and cover]
the thing I really want to know though...how did the place stay open 24/7 for 20 days straight? aren't they supposed to close every night or was that china?
Whats more amazing is the internet connection and game server stayed up that long.
I hope MS adopt other features. IE will only get better through competing with a stronger player.
Whats wrong with TCP/IP illustrated, 1,2 and 3?
Theres only so many books you can read on the subject - no matter how hard core you are.
> Perl is at least as portable as Java, it just makes less fuss about it. I've never seen perl on mobile phones ;)
> > Its much more than just ramped up c/c++. It's a platform of it's own.
> > c/c++ is compiled, as I am sure you are aware. For the most part java
> > byte code is not executeable as such, its something between executeable
> > and script, close enough to script to be decompiled directly to it's
> > original structure.
>
> So it's ramped up C/C++ changed to be bytecode like perl etc. so it runs
> at their speeds. What a great idea!
Perl is more of a system level language than java. Java is more of it's own platform. From the programmers point of view perl is more like interpreted c, hence why sys admins love it so much.
They each have their merits, just don't try and compare the two together as they're totally different.
The point of java is portability. Fast, cheap, reliable, pick any two.
> > Languages don't cause bad programs to be written --
> > bad programmers do!
>
> Nonsense. Languages can be specifcally designed to
> encourage and assist programmers in achieving
> different outcomes. PHP - being poorly designed -
> encourages poor practices and certainly does not
> enforce or even encourage secure code. Hence why
> it is an absolute disaster in practice.
I don't think it's really fair to claim that a language which is designed for those who are more familar with strings.h to be the cause of faulty, or buggy pages. The fault is that of the programmers for not doing their home work.
That said, there are some improvements in later versions. This whole article is comparing one type of programming language with a totally different type and thus partly an unfair question as it will slant towards the more popular language paradigm rather than discussing the merits of either.
Its much more than just ramped up c/c++. It's a platform of it's own. c/c++ is compiled, as I am sure you are aware. For the most part java byte code is not executeable as such, its something between executeable and script, close enough to script to be decompiled directly to it's original structure.
Yes perl is nice, but perl itself is 90's also.
There are ofcourse something that java has which these others do not, such as stronger types and a good OOP.
obligatory vi post
Because the uk has such high speeding penalties I'd buy one just so I know what the road speed limit is.
> > Problems may occour for mirror sites of course.
> Is occour the British spelling of occur?
Anyone who knows the queens English can tell you that it's just my misspelling.
Surely, at most, the control can only be over the root NS. If it's anything else, the UK citizens can always instruct their DNS cache to only respond on *.uk... Problems may occour for mirror sites of course.
Did you ever use OOo? If yes, and you have a grain of objectivity in you, you'll know.
:) OOo 2 has bugs that 1.1 didn't have.)
As one friend of mine said: We ("the geeky") use OOo only because there's nothing better out there that will run on Linux (and similar systems). The thing is: it's buggy, it's bloated and compared to some other commercial software, it's not very feature-rich. The user interface is tolerable. (My authority to make this claims comes from using it exclusively as an office-application-set for two years, and I'm a demanding user
It's great that it exists, but it's just not as good as Firefox and others on the list, even though they also contain nasty known bugs.
That just doesn't make any sense, just because you have an opinnion of OO does not give you authority to make that judgement. I too have used OO, I was using StarOffice back in 1998. It wasn't bad then, and as time has passed I've seen nothing but improvement in this software. It has far less bugs than MS Office, which I do not consider an application suitable for Office work on anything but the latest hardware as it continues to bloat yeilding increased boot latency.
Besides, those who are truely geeky and wise use latex, or troff.
ActiveX has been a huge problem with IE (you should know this already). I hope ActiveX is removed, rather than improved. It would reduce people's dependancy on the browser, perhaps then authors will consider cross platforms, or rather, the forced to do things that are cross platform.
I've heard bad things about mplayer, and that it's future is limited to it not being designed in modules, basically xine has a brigter future becuase of better design. How true that is, I don't know. If you havn't already, give xine a go.
What? Did these guys not hear about openoffice? How can media player be rated > oo.org!!!!
> Why would http://xxxx/ indicate that you want
;)
> to run a search and go to the first link...hmmm
because users type in all sorts of garbage. But as the phrase GIGO states, garbage in, garbage out
> I think they're going to keep releasing really
> small parts as open source, just to get people
> believe they're the good guys again.
They were never good guys. The only open format from them is MS Paint BMP.
DENIC look after .de, not ICANN.
I think that more skinny people use linux than windows. Time after time I see fat people using windows as it offers simple and quick results, but with a long term loss. On the other hand I see skinny people using linux which requires more initial work, but with a longer term benefit thus allowing time futher down the road for time in the gym. Am I the only one who sees this?
Could it be that the active gene dominates in Linux fanatics?
I suppose it's not so bad to smoke in the pub after all...
I've not bought /Linux/ since 1996, and now you tell me I should have paid for all those copies I downloaded. This article is utter nonsense, Linux is by the people for the people you shouldn't have to pay for it if you make a contribution. How can the author publish such a silly statistic.
You can't do that as a normal user... unless you're using a non-standard shell.
shutdown -h now