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Firefox 1.5 Final Now Available
yootje writes "Firefox 1.5 is out, you can download it right here: Linux; Mac; Windows. You can find more info about it in the release notes. Highlights are: Automated update, drag and drop reordering for browser tabs, improvements to popup blocking, better accessibility and better support for Mac OS X. Don't forget to make full use of the mirrors." It's semi-official.
I have been running RC3 for quite a while, very nice indeed
.kyle
What happened to that FireFox 1.5 released post?!?!? :-)
You would think that they could build packages for at least the most popular linux package management systems. Wonder how long til this shows up on the DAG repository...
Awesome. I've been waiting for a while now for this to be finalized. I hate beta-testing or QA'ing software and not getting paid for it.
...from the pre-release versions?
We have already heard about automated update, drag and drop reordering for browser tabs, improvements to popup blocking, better accessibility and better support for Mac OS X.
Who says beta lasts too long? ;)
"Everything worth innovating today will go to court tomorrow."
For the people using Windows:
Gnutella, G2 and ed2k go here.
torrent can be found here.
Time to use some SVG on the web. I hope animation makes it into the next release ;-)
"Firefox 1.5 is out, you can download it right here."
;-) Everyone knows the most popular stuff on the Internet can't be seen in a speed faster than dialup in the outback of Saskatchewan, due to the heavy demand. Spybot's update servers are a good indicator of this effect.
A fitting tribute would be to slashdot the mozilla site into obscurity for at least the first 24 hours. I'm sure Microsoft will try even if the general public doesn't manage to do it
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Or maybe I just haven't figured out how to get it to work properly (please correct me if I'm wrong).
When I click "Automatically do this for files of this type", stop showing me the prompt box for what to do with this file everytime the file comes up!
This happens a lot, especially with Torrent files. I tell firefox to launch Azureus whenever it sees a torrent. I tell it to always do this automatically for me. What does it do? It prompts me for every godamn torrent file as to whether is should save it or launch it into Azureus.
I torrent a lot of stuff, so this is really, really annoying.
I currently have no clever signature witicism to add here.
The same thing happened to me when I submitted an article about the Fedora Directory Server release as GPL... It happens :-)
Drag and drop reordering of tabs? Like Opera version a "couple of them ago"? :-P
Apart from the troll. Props to the firefox team. Keep up the good work!
Adolfo
best browser just got better
Now I can finally use that cool black theme! And tabbed browsing! Without seriously sacrificing computer stability!
http://pinopsida.com
Yeah, the download is available. But it hasn't been officially released yet. Come on people! Let's make the launch a nice event by downloading it then! I wanted to post the exact same thing but didn't because after so much hard work on the part of the Firefox Team, I don't mind waiting a few hours to make their release a huge success. And no, I'm not going to download it until it's officially announced. That's my little way of helping to recognize the official launch.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
cool, they even used my thread at spreadfirefox http://www.spreadfirefox.com/node/20564
I have nothing clever to put here...
i want my green bubble update option.
Until i see it on the official Firefox Website http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ I ain't downloadin' squat.
You guys need to stop posting these release announcements before the release page AND the download are in sync...
Except they forgot to put IE inside.
It seems very nice so far. I'd been using RC3 for a few days now. All extensions carried over for me, although I had to reset my Tabbed Browser Preferences.
One of the nicest new features is the "Unable to Load" page that comes up instead of the alert that interupted your browsing, even while in another tab, on the older versions.
Some of the rumorous new tab features haven't made it in so far, which is a shame. They're supposed to make tabs work more like Opera: Close tab returns to previous tab, and close box on each tab, as well as cleaning up the text in tabs. Oh well, overall very nice though.
put the what in the where?
Does anyone know why Safari passes, but no other browsers? (Perhaps the Acid just love Apple?)
I suggest you read Slashdot
WHAT?!!? My Gentoo box is already busy compiling KDE 3.5! Now you're telling me to start compiling Firefox 1.5 too!? My CPU's so busy it be cryin'.
.....To kill the time between Google posts.
This is my opinion. To make sure you don't steal it, it's covered by the DMCA.
Mirror:
http://rapidshare.de/files/7922022/Firefox_Setup_1 .5rc3.exe.html
That's english, windows, RC3 (this version, 1.5 final?).
Obligatory Soundbite Catchphrase
13 year old boys love to hear about MicroSoft's demise. They just don't
know what that strange feeling is they get when they rub up against
something.
Now the wait starts to get the extensions and themes updated... ...
I'm a signature virus. Please copy me to your signature so I can replicate.
Anyone else getting this error?
Error
Just expressing my relief that IE will hopefully be dead soon... Considering IE is an extreme threat to the overall security of the Internet, why shouldn't everyone be happy?
Looks the smame as all the other frist psets..
Hey, if 1.5 is out, why is Mozilla.org still showing 1.0.7 as the most recent stable version and RC3 as the most recent dev build?
Let's see if they've fixed the faulty diplaying of flash'es.
Do you remember the 3D FPS game demo using the canvas tag found in FireFox 1.5, I think this is a sign of things to come, and offers a good alternative to XAML support in IE7.
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If you already have Firefox 1.5 RC3 installed, don't bother with this. It's the exact same file, the md5 sums are even the same:
d0cbbd5d8c47fe36ee8f26fb1255838c - Firefox Setup 1.5.exe
d0cbbd5d8c47fe36ee8f26fb1255838c - Firefox Setup 1.5rc3.exe
Firefox still doesn't go back to the same page with cntrl+n. That is one of the few positive things (that I've noticed) that IE does and Firefox doesn't.
Why? I doubt the developers not thought of this.
No, letting teh internets decide what code should be run on your machine is never a good idea. Man up, nancy. Step up to the plate and take responsibility for keeping your PC safe by downloading your own patches.
The downside of "drag and drop reordering" is that accidental dragging of the current tab to the current page causes 100% CPU utilization for several seconds, the page is reloaded and the form entries are lost without a warning. Observed with Firefox 1.5 RC1 and RC2 on Linux.
user_pref("capability.policy.default.Window.open", "noAccess");
--fatboy
The first prophet was called Netscape and he was mighty, leading the people serenely through the internet. But the people forsook the prophet and the prophet turned to evil ways. In time, the first prophet was corrupted by evil in the form of the giant ISP known as Baal or AOL.
The second prophet was a false prophet called Internet Explorer, which hid its true nature from the people until it was nearly too late since it was sent out by the great deceiver, Microsoft. The great deceiver tried to limit their access to the internet and to turn them aside from anything that the deceiver did not make money off of.
The people groaned and labored to feed the great deceiver, but alas, nothing could fill his belly. The great deciever blessed the heresey of having the browser integrated into the operating system. Loudly did the people cry unto the computer gods for a new prophet to lead them, but the gods were angry since the had given the people Linux. The people ignored Linux and chose to follow the great deceiver.
Finally, the computer gods softened their hearts and heard the cries of the people and sent a third prophet. The people are fortunate that they have not been abandoned for straying from the path of Linux. Mighty indeed is the penguin. A new prophet has been sent to lead us out of the valley of the shadow of ActiveX.
Halleujah!
The heavens opened, the angels sang, and Firefox descended into our midst to releive us from the woe that is Internet Explorer.
2 cents,
Queen B
HDGary secures my bank
When I open multiple tabs, and swtich between them, sometimes the address and title bar do not change. For example. Open another tab with yahoo.com as the address. Now switch back to this tab, and try and switch back. On my machine (Win XP), the address and title bar stay on the slashdot address/title.
Uhh, first off there is no Firefox 1.1
Second, I run Firefox all the time and haven't had a single pop-up (you need to enable the pop-up blocker!)
Third, Flash is probably the easiest thing to install in Firefox, its a completely automated process.
Fourth, we go back to my second point. Enable the pop-up blocker.
It's a sneaky Javascipt trick (which I won't go into in case it gives someone else ideas), and seems to be coming only from a.tribalfusion.com for me, so blackhole that in your /etc/hosts file and the annoying popups and pop-unders will disappear completely.
Come on guys, give us 64 bits! Do we dare risk a build from source?
This is my sig.
Please do *NOT* download it from ftp.mozilla.org. Please instead use our redirector, which has a lot more bandwidth:
o s=win&lang=en-USo s=osx&lang=en-USo s=linux&lang=en-US
o x/releases/1.5/
Windows: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.5&
Mac OS X: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.5&
Linux: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-1.5&
Or, if you need a different language, get it from releases.mozilla.org, which doesn't have as much bandwidth as the redirector but still has *much* more than ftp.mozilla.org:
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firef
I checked, the torrented file hash matches that in MD5SUMS. Should be OK (unless the NSA is trying to hax0r everyone)
MozillaZine Forums
Big red letters, you can't miss it: Firefox1.5 is not yet out
Dark alley corners are:
That's all that I can think of right off the top of my head- but the cookie and URL bar problems are driving me nuts.
Please help metamoderate.
Seriously, why wouldn't they distribute it using a bit torrent? Is it because they can't track download numbers as easily?
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper!" - George W. Bush Nov. 2005
I use NoScript now -- basically a whitelist of what sites can and can't use javascript, flash or java. For me, it's solved the popup problem entirely.
Wooohooooo! Two major releases today. KDE(and Konqueror) 3.5 and Firefox 1.5.
Although I love Firefox a lot, it kinda disappointed me that Firefox 1.5 still cannot pass the Acid 2 test. Konqueror 3.5 is the 2nd browser to pass the test. (The first browser to pass was Safari, which was originally based on Konqueror's KHTML engine)
With all the great features that were previously only available in Firefox (such as adblock and support for multiple search engines in the quick search bar) included in Konqueror 3.5, I am considering to switch my primary web browser in my linux box to Konqueror.
Could anyone explain the strengths and weaknesses of both browsers? Which would you prefer?
wiki
/.'ers that don't know...admit it...come on...admit it...
because of the large number of
Note that Firefox 1.5 RC3 is the exact same as Firefox 1.5 down to every last bit. So if you already have RC3, you already have the final release. You don't need to download it again.
Why? Well, because RC3 was the last release candidate, and having the last release candidate be exactly the same as the final release is the best way to ensure that all the testing the release candidate gets definitely applies to the final. Otherwise we would have run the risk of any change, no matter how minor, introducing a problem that we didn't foresee.
So they're the same. Right down to the user agent string, the version number, etc. Do an md5sum on both files, and you'll get the same values. You get my drift.
Um, I just installed 1.5 and the scrollbar on the right hand side is now gone. Anyone know why it's gone, or how I can get it back? I use it all the time (especially since the mouse I use at school doesn't have a scroll wheel). Sorry for asking this here, but I've always had a hard time finding answers to stuff like this on the mozilla website. In fact, anyone with good places to go for technical troubleshooting would be welcome to reply.
b. If that did work, why wouldn't that be the setting that is set by the "block popup windows" option in user settings?
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
Actually, having one browser used universally everywhere, whether its FF, IE, Opera, etc., is more of a security threat. Diversity is the best time-tested defense against viruses as well as the best way to insure survival.
Good example from nature: not long ago in a lab in VA, an airborn strain of Ebola was discovered killing off the lab monkeys. The virus was confirmed to be airborn, confirmed to be killing the monkeys, and confirmed to have infected humans working with the monkeys, and show to be spreading fast (as airborn viruses tend to be). Why didn't people die in vast numbers?
Genetic diversity.
The airborn strain of Ebola only killed one species of monkey.
I hope IE never goes away, nor FF, nor Opera, nor Safari. Diversity (OS, browsers, etc) is the best defense.
"We are all geniuses when we dream"
- E.M. Cioran
It's semi-official.
And now that it has been Slashdotted, it's fully-official.
No, letting teh internets decide what code should be run on your machine is never a good idea.
Somebody has to decide what code should be run on my machine; I'm far too busy to worry about those details myself. No, not "teh internets", but most of the time I trust the vendor of the software I'm running not to break my computer. If I didn't, I wouldn't be running their software. If I trust them, why shouldn't I let them take care of updating for me?
Yes, automatic updates are a good thing.
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SpaceX has launched Falcon 1
>Man up, nancy. Step up to the plate and take responsibility for keeping your PC safe by downloading your own patches.
Fuck that; I'd go even one step farther. If you don't compile your own patches you're nothing but a pussy! Grow some balls or get off the Internet you binary-loving n00bs.
I do have the popup blocker enabled.
I'm on linux, it is NOT an automated process. They don't even have a firefox installer.
I do have the popup blocker enabled.
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
Looking at my extensions folder:
The only compatible extensions I have installed are Linkification (which takes "h##p://www.boo.com" links and makes them clickable, even if the "http" part has been munged) and Flashblock, which is a godsend.
I just clicked "Find Updates", and not a single one of the plugins has an update available yet. I'm sorry, but I think it's pretty clear that a large number of popular extensions have yet to be updated for 1.5. I also really hope all my extensions don't break yet AGAIN with 1.6, because that'd be at least #3.
Please help metamoderate.
I hope the guys behind portable firefox get to work quickly, they won't let me install things at work, we have 1.0 of firefox but 1.5 is so much faster and generally better
b. I run ads on my own sites from there, so I really can't ban the site.
c. I see ads coming from fastclick, casale, tribal fusion. I think they've all figured it out.
d. It seems like a javascript security hole to me. Why don't you tell the firefox engineers about the problem.
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
teh internets
I don't know who or what this is, but when Ford sends you a recall notice about your brakes, do you make sure to fix it yourself to "keep your car safe"? I know I've got better things to do then to handle my own recall notices or to install every single patch by hand as they become available.
Not to bug, but what sites are you going to?
The only time I get pop ups in Firefox at all is when I go to crackspider or one of those "free smiley" type sites.
K Man
This release is not just for firefox 1.5 but also a redesigned addons.mozilla.org
needless to say this is a big release and people have been working all morning to ensure it goes well.That is what I used to use on the Mozilla config, back in the day.
What site are you going to that has pop-ups?
I use Drudge as a test, and FF 1.5 is working just fine.
No Pop-Ups.
--fatboy
:P i meant "each of these" not "both" browsers.
How does FF1.5 render the ACID2 test?
Feels snappier! :-)
i know *why* it happens but it seems bizarre until you find out...
I don't know about compiling, but I do know that I've got the piles from too much sphincter contrictingcoming during anal s$x. Why can't I stop?
Another poster has provided the link, but just to clarify, this bug only affects Linux. (It also happens with things like "Save As..." and "Save image as...")
It is really annoying, but unfortunately they didn't get a patch until late in the release cycle. I'm hoping that the distros will just add the patch when they build their own packages -- and that the fix will find its way into 1.5.1 when it comes along.
example site: http://www.dollchick.com/
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
Every time I have visited any Flash-enabled website, it automagically asks me if I want to install Flash. I click next, it downloads, the next thing you know I can see flash animations. BTW I'm on Linux as well. It sounds to me like your install of Firefox is messed up somehow, as it isn't blocking your pop-ups either.
If you can't trust FireFox to block pop ups, can you trust it for banking and other critical stuff?
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
They just don't know what that strange feeling is they get when they rub up against something.
Actually I'm quite familiar with the feeling your mom gives me.
I'm amazed they're releasing 1.5 already.
I've been using RC3 for a few days and it has problems with many sites. Flash doesn't work, some AJAX sites don't work. Some images don't display.
It does seem better in terms of memory usage and displays pages it can display (particularly those with lots of Form elements) much faster.
But these lingering bugs will be enough to turn off many users who decide to give it a try.
My list of desired features boil down to two basic things:
.css templates (no, nothing in Options > Privacy controls this behavior). If that's not a privacy hole, I don't know what is.
- Right-clicking and seeing "Block active content from ad1.crapads.com" rather than "About Macromedia Flash Player 8".
- Not placing every fricking website I go to in the dropdown address bar, which can only be flushed out by mucking with the
If the answer is no and no, I'm sticking to 1.0.
Hmm. interesting, considering I just installed it today. Are you on linux?
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=3469 26
What part of "BTW I'm on Linux as well" didn't you understand? ;-)
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I've even tried completely wiping out my config and seeing stuff w/ default settings. Uhg! I still get pops, but I also get those annoying plugin install notices (which, I've turned off)
So, fresh install, fresh configs.. pops galore.
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
As a side note:
Before they had condirmed it wasn't infecting people, people were coming and going.
So if it hadn't been contained to one species of monkeys, we would have been in deep shit.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
One of the nicest new features is the "Unable to Load" page that comes up instead of the alert that interupted your browsing, even while in another tab, on the older versions.
FINALLY! Sweet jebus! "Open in tabs" when a lot of them aren't responding was making me wonder what they had been sniffing at the mozilla foundation, I can't wait to get the official release (I'm waiting for the official, when it shows on their page, I'll get).
Thanks for the info.
You can't take the sky from me...
Browsers with tabs are great for organizing the different topics that you are browsing. However, sometimes you want to merge two windows' tabs into one window of tabs, and other times you want to split a window's tabs into two separate windows of tabs. Any chance we will ever see such a feature? Ontop of that, it would also be nice to be able to group tabs within a tab, for further organization of hardcore web browsing.
So I just upped to 1.5 and Flash objects were not painting.
I have Adblock 0.5.2.039, the latest. So go into Extensions, Adblock, Options and uncheck Obj-Tabs.
Seems to get rid of the block tabs, otherwise it works fine.
It seems quite the same, and there still is the problem I've had ever since I got my Powerbook a year ago: The touchpad scrolling is extremely slow. It takes me half a minute just to scroll down to the bottom of the Google News page. It's the only reason why I will not switch from Safari.
You can still put IE Inside (tm). See IE Tab extension. I know I do, but only for those Websites that suck.
So what does it say in Help/About then?
And what about the changes for RC3 changelog.
Then probably the best way of dealing with these annoyances is to switch to a different advertising host, and tell them why you don't want to use them any more.
If you are using SUSE 10 on x86 machine,
R PMS.suse-projects/MozillaFirefox-1.4.99-3.1.i586.r pm
I believe you can use this RPM:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.0-i386/
It may be slightly "newer" than the actual release as it is 20051120 build rather than the "official" 20051111, but I believe it is safe to use this until a final RPM comes out.
as the RPM is named 1.4.99 rather than 1.5, there would be no problem upgrading to the official build later.
I wont be using ff on my powerbook as long as camino is out there.
Chaos is Divine *
Personally, I wish they'd whitelist javascript the same as they whitelist pop-ups.
In the meantime, just grab the NoScript extension and do it yourself.
FireFox 1.5, filled with extensionable goodness!
Alternatively, build the source tarball & install it in /usr/local, /opt, your home directory or wherever (there's no rule stating that it has to be in rpm format).
Meaning you may well want to hold off until there is an official release, or until extension writers get a chance to catch up.
Check your caps lock button. I have found that I have this same problem but only when I have hit the caps button by accident. Switching it off fixes it.
My extensions on Fx 1.5 rc3
;(
Adblock
Colorful Tabs
CuteMenus - Crystal SVG
Dictionary Tooltip
DictionarySearch
DNSStuff Toolbar
Forecastfox
IE View
Image Zoom
Mr Tech About
ProxyButton
Slim Extension List
Tab Mix Plus
Tab X
Translate
NOT WORKING:
AIMfire
autohightligh
Bookmakrs Synchronizer
Converter
Customizable Toolbar Buttons
Never trust a man wearing a coat and tie!
Of course they want to change the user agent string as much as they can, so thousands of users will download it again unnecessary, tipping the increasingly inaccurate and uninformative counter.
Can I upgrade yet, or will it break extensions, install it's same old useless searchplugins etc? If not I can't be bothered. What's wrong with what i have now?
No matter WHAT. You plain can't see any flash with adblock on, no matter that the flash content is not blocked. Torturous for people buried in flash constructions...
rhY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
close box on each tab
If Opera works anything like Safari in that respect, I really, really hate that feature. The most frequent thing that I use multiple tabs for is to open multiple links from a single page (e.g. a news site or my list of webcomics) and then read each page, closing them as I go.
When your close widget is on each tab, and your tabs change in size, this means that you can't just leave your mouse in one place and hit the button over and over as you go through the opened pages. Instead, you have to look over and pay attention to the tabs once you get down to the number where they start widening. That drives me nuts.
Also, Mozilla used to return to the previous tab when you closed a tab back sometime in the pre-1.0 days. This led to the annoying practice of having to start opening links at the bottom of a page if you wanted to read them from the top-down. On the other hand, I became so used reading opened pages in reverse order that I just start on the last tab and close off from there. If I recall correctly, you can set the order of tab closing in about:config, but I could be wrong (am I'm forced to use IE at work, so I can't confirm).
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Because if you're using Windows,
that would probably make you the biggest hypocrite on
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Why does it always take so damned long for the en-GB version to be released? Seriously .. next thing Klingon will be more widely used than proper English. Bastards.
don't let me hear about your faggy ass NEW VERSION until you FIX THE EXISTING ONE.
I'm SICK AND TIRED of disgusting memory leaks in CURRENT Firefox, and I AM up to date. Also how about recognizing there are languages in the world OTHER THAN ENGLISH you twits ?
Don't believe me ?
(1) Go to a message board (BBS) where people post 10-15 jpegs on each message, open about 10 of them in tabs. Read them all, enjoy, close the tabs, and repeat. You will see about 250megs of ram gone by the 3rd time you do this. NONE of the memory is freed. Your system will soon be FUCKED.
(2) Try saving a file into a path that has a SINGLE Chinese or Japanese word in just ONE SINGLE directory name anywhere in the path that you save the file --- good fucking luck.
I have noticed the same thing also and wonder if it is related to "Bugzilla Bug 246974: CPU usage reaches 99% and will not go down".
Don't expect an official Ubuntu package right away - it's seen as a complicated upgrade:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96595
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For those on Windows 98, ME, 2000, and XP non Luna, you can get the classic menus back with the classic menus extension at: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Firefox_windows_classic Click the "Original site" link.
http://slax.linux-live.org/modules.php?category=ne twork&id=588&name=Mozilla+Firefox
Australia, Australia, Australia, amen!
You can stick it in a thumbdrive
You can hold it in your hand
"Made up/misattributed quote that makes me look smart. I am on
Lemme guess, you're typing this on a Linux machine, you use *NIX at work and everyone in your family uses *NIX or BSd or something.
/. evar
Mac OS X, actually, but I do have Linux servers happily humming away in the other room.
Because if you're using Windows,
that would probably make you the biggest hypocrite on
Not necessarily. There are a lot of people who trust Microsoft. I trust Microsoft enough to turn automatic updates on in WinXP.
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http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
Mozilla developers. Why in the FUCKING hell would you put in a wizard to report sites that don't work in Firefox!!?? WTF you asswipes??!! It's not like my life isn't hard enough already trying to accomodate the peasant idiots who refuse to use IE. Now I'm going to have my bosses forcing me to work faster just to get the reports to stop filing in. WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT you fucks!!?? Look... if it works in IE, then Firefox should have to change their code to make the site work since sites that work in IE are based on Microsoft defined standards. Why should I have to rewrite my code to test for shitty alternative browser when there's a grand browser right in Windows. And before you idiot morons start crying about your precious Linux and Mac OS operating systems, get real. Linux is about .10% of the computer market and Mac is maybe like 1%. You idiots want to do something different, then you don't deserve access to sites written for REAL web browsers like IE. What a bunch of chum fucking weirdos! I fucking hope that someone finds a zero day exploit for that fucking wizard and blocks the hell out of those worthless reports. God the Mozilla programmers are numbnuts!!! Jesus H I fucking hate you!!! It's likely that my day is going to increase in length just because of you retards. I wish nothing less than a horrible pox on all of you!
Officially Official!
http://www.mozilla.com/
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
Oh wait, this isn't a M$ product. Nevermind.
- I voted for Nintendo and against Bush
I know I'm being a pain in the arse, but we always seem to have to wait for the en-GB builds (there wasn't an RC3 of en-GB just RC2). I know it is free (speech/beer) and I shouldn't whinge, but it is in my genes ;-)
JohnT
http://physics.open.ac.uk/~jdtanner
Pango-ERROR **: file shape.c: line 75 (pango_shape): assertion failed: (glyphs->num_glyphs > 0)
When I try to run the IA32 version from firefox.com, I get this error. Help me, Slashdot.
...but the ONLY thing keeping me from switching to 1.5 from 1.0.7 is a stupid little mouse-wheel-button thing.
In 1.5, if you click the scroll wheel (middle button) and scroll down with the wheel (WITHOUT moving the mouse at all) nothing happens. In 1.0x, if you click the wheel and scroll, it scrolls normally.
Everything else is just similar/better enough for me to deal with it, but I _love_ playing with my mouse while online and taking that away from me is not cool. Anyone want to write an extension? It's probably like six lines of code... Till then I'm sticking with the old version.
That test finally explains why it's called an "acid test": faces look like you're on acid.
Yes folks, it's official now on the Firefox website
:)
Go get it and get counted!
As an aside, the site seems to be holding up pretty well so far - the downloads are really fast.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
Can someone more mozilla adept than I *please* tell me how to make v1.5 stop displaying "chrome://global/skin/netError.css" in the event of a network timeout?
I much much prefer the little "network timeout" popup window.
Hmm, maybe I should make my own css to automatically reload the previous page until it actually loads. That would be cool.
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How does this work with Linux package managers, say, apt? Wouldn't a package that automatically updates its own installation break apt?
Or is this mostly a Windows feature?
It's official, the new size www.mozilla.com has all the info, it's just that the www.mozilla.org site isn't updated yet.
Just a few more days/weeks until 1.51 comes out, then I'll be all over it. By then all the 3rd party extension writers should have caught up and fixed any compatibility problems.
"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."
The .dmg file loads into Safari instead of prompting to download. Guess they don't test that stuff in other browsers ;-)
The Luddites were ahead of their time.
Ok, anyone have any idea what is up with the ~1 inch blank space under the status bar of firefox 1.5? Talk about a waste of screen real estate....
Way to go, slashdotting Firefox and Mozilla BEFORE they even release the new version :D
Blog -
Have they fixed the memory leak yet? This is the biggest thing that's turned me off to FireFox. I reboot my computer about once every two months and in that time FireFox stays open. After a while I noticed FireFox is not properly releasing the memory it uses. 400MB of RAM was used above normal and FireFox was only claiming 120MB of it; closing down FireFox released all 400MBs of RAM. This is a normal thing and IMHO is not acceptible. FireFox's FAQ lists some 3rd party utility that keeps track of windows and tabs and restores them when the program is started up again. Another forum member suggested reducing the allowable cache size; this hasn't worked either.
I was hoping this bug that's been around for a long time would have been resolved earlier on. I don't have a lot of motivation to try out this new version to see if it's been resolved.
on inspection of the http://www.mozilla.org/ website, it looks pretty official at this point, even so far as they've moved Firefox and Thunderbird from mozilla.org to http://www.mozilla.com/.
d uct=firefox-1.5&os=win&lang=en-USd uct=firefox-1.5&os=linux&lang=en-USd uct=firefox-1.5&os=osx&lang=en-US
Win32 link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?pro
Linux link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?pro
OSX Link - http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?pro
come on kids, get 'em while they're hot!
No pop ups for me. Something is boned on your install.
--fatboy
:-)
s .htm
Actually, I wouldnt call Netscape as the "fist prophet"
I'd say Mosaic was it.
(though technically there were some even before that, but at least if I recall correctly, it was the first to introduce images in the pages)
History of browsers:
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/history/browser
http://www.livinginternet.com/w/wi_browse.htm
Clicking the home button *always* loads the home page in a new tab, regardless of preferences.
And yes, it has been reported, a while back
- An uglier, less-functional prefrences screen which hides more options at a time /looks/ a lot like something being left uninitialized or simply an offbyone error. Seriously, what is wrong that you havent fixed this by now?
- New, non-standard "flat" look for the menus (presumably trying to emulate MS-office in windows XP)
- Extension interface broken once again, so no 1.5 support for some extensions
- new "Hey look, we're pretending to be IE!"-style error pages (less-intrusive than error popups, I'm mixed on this one.)
- Some of the more-important functions of tabbrowser extensions seem to be included, but I'm not going to bother to disable tbe to find out if it's "good enough"
- http://www.yzzerdd.com/, http://www.snopes.com/ no longer seem to succeed at opening popups (Yes I'm against ad blocking, No I'm not against blocking browser-hijacking.)
- Still seems to have whatever bug makes it sometimes simply "stop responding to all links", but now seems to recover from it after a long delay, rather than requiring browser restart.
- No obvious improvements to the bookmarks panel
- The incredibly stupid favorite-icon bug is still there. I dont know what idiocy causes this, but it certainly
So, verdict for the moment: Less fun to look at, more good.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
OK, I've got it. It's working. It supposedly has SVG support built in. So, now, where can I go see some? Anyone know any Web sites that use SVG?
Downmodding is the refuge of the weak. Don't downmod, make a better argument!
Adblock, get on board, come out with your 1.5 version please...
Personal Request, can the Moz dev team please please please now focus on the way the memory grows insanely out of control when using tabs???
My minor quibble:
Firefox's biggest feature to many is tabbed browsing...
So why is it ALT-ENTER opens a URL from the location bar to a new tab,
but it's CTRL-Click to open a link in a new tab? (ALT-Click saves the link as a file).
Keep it consistant people!
I'm always 2nd guessing: Do I press CTRL or ALT?
Am I the only one finding the .DMG is not triggering an automatic download? Wrong mime type being sent maybe? Really annoying to click on the download link and suddenly see a screenful of garbage as safari now hangs for the next 4 minutes as it tries to render 9mb of trash. This from the direct link in the article, then when following the mirror links, silly me, I get hit AGAIN by 9.4mb of garbage.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
http://www.spreadinternetexplorer.com/
I had 1.5 on my work computer for the last week or so. Maybe a bit more than a week. I had the beta here since I didn't want to test it at home with my important stuff. 1.5 was pushed automatically and I got a prompt to restart the browser for it to take affect. So, I guess the beta testers got an early peak.
Where's my sock? There it is...
Better accessibility including support for DHTML accessibility and assistive technologies such as the Window-Eyes 5.5 beta screen reader for Microsoft Windows. Screen readers read aloud all available information in applications and documents or show the information on a Braille display, enabling blind and visually impaired users to use equivalent software functionality as their sighted peers. From the release notes. This reminds me of a slashdot article not 2 weeks ago lamenting the lack of accessibility features in open-source programs. It's nice to see Mozilla addressing this issue - perhaps other open source programmers will follow suit.
As a republican I feel it my responsibity to manufacture criminals. People need punished!
Does anyone know of a guide to upgrading extensions that worked in 1.0.x to work with 1.5?
Please reply to this comment if you are experiencing the CPU and memory hogging bug in Firefox 1.5. On my test computers, it is much worse than ever before.
I've done 7 tests which show that the CPU and memory hogging in Firefox 1.5 is far worse than previous releases.
about:mozilla
is it different? better yet, is there a history of all the old ones?
One of the first things that I noticed about 1.5 is that the prefs dialog has changed! The screen accessible from Tools/Options,Edit->Preferences,Firefox Preferences.. depending on OS now has the icons along the top instead of the side. Anyone have any idea on why this change was made? Any interesting bugzilla bugs that track the discussion over this change?
I always dread upgrading FF. Half my extensions always break. Can't FF standardize on some kind of extension format that is forward compatible? Even IE doesn't break when upgrading.
"The following components are not compatible with the new version of Firefox you have just installed:"
FirecastFox 0.5.8
Google Toolbar for Firefox 1.0.20051012
Tab Clicking Options 0.4.1
ieview 1.2.2
Super DragAndGo 0.2.4
Tabbrowser Preferences 1.1.1
Noia 2.0 (eXtreme) 2.82
Fasterfox 0.7.8
User Agent Switcher 0.6.1
They have been disabled until compatible versions are installed.
To Firefox's credit, the only ones that were still broken after updating them all were Super DragAndGo, Tabbrowser preferences, and User Agent Switcher. Uggh.
</rant>
640YB ought to be enough for anybody.
> A file extension is no guarentee of the file type. How many emails with .scr extensions are actually screensavers?
.scr file is basically just a .exe with some extra weirdness to, well, actually be used as the screen saver (it has to take certain arguements, respond to certain commands, etc.).
:( Stupid webserver operators need to learn how to set appropriate Content-Type headers. It's NOT that damn difficult. Hell, a couple minutes of Google searches and I even managed to figure out how to do it on *shudder* IIS, through that cryptic .msc thing burried somewhere. It's a lot easier for, say, Apache, where you just edit the appropriate config file with your favorite text editor.
A
I forget which exactly; last I recall it's one of those things that isn't very well documented, but that's all screen savers really are.
That said, automagically doing things based on file type is a security hazard, and has been a source of bugs in IE
Apart from that it works flawlessly and the sysadmin here likes it too after I explained it in my best spanish (I'm dutch, and speak very little spanish).
Tienez Firefox? Porque non? Es muy mas securidad de IE, y muy mas functionalidad: F11 con URL location, tabs, Ctrl-F y muchos extensions.
Perhaps time that someone makes a spanish version of the Firefox advantages just in time for the holiday season, because here in Mexico on 5 locations I have not been able to spot one place where Firefox was already installed, and just 1 place where the sysadmin already knew about it.
Grab Firefox via the link in my sig...
I get a dollar and you get a great browser w/google toolbar built right in
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Mac Mini with 512 MB RAM running 10.4.3 and it runs just about perfectly -- nice and fast. I do find the text selection does not work properly on occasion, ie. selecting and dragging the text oftens occurs in the wrong direction. On the plus side, Citrix works fine while it does not work for me in Safari. I like the ability to re-order tabs and the tab behavior controls are much more comprehensive then Safari, but I will miss the Flashblock plugin as it does not work (yet) with 1.5 or later (any release candidate).
I found Firefox 1.3 sluggish but 1.5 is swift, so I am switching to Firefox from Safari for now.
The release notes at http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.5 -comprehensive.html say that bug "131456 - Memory use does not go down after closing tabs" has been fixed.
/ libc.html as an example (try loading and closing it into a multiple tabs a few times and look at your virtual memory utilization or the about:cache built-in page) he was berated by a developer for reporting a problem with a website and not the memory leak the website triggers!
However if you read the bug text you can see that this years old bug has been closed only because, in the eyes of one developer, perpetually increasing memory usage is only a symptom of a memory leak, not the cause. Presumably users should only report problems for which fixes already exist.
Developers explain that the cause of the problem is actually due to several underlying hard bugs, so a "meta bug" like this one should not be open. Separate bugs should be filed instead on all of the undisclosed problems.
Users were also haranged over and over into providing specific test cases for the general problem. Amusingly, when one user suggested using http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_mono
1.0.7 was working flawlessly for me. I updated to 1.5, and now it seems, there are many different situations where the browser will appear to "lock-up" for several seconds at a time and using 100% cpu utilization. Has anyone else experienced this?
.xyz files to open with XYZ_Application, I should be able to configure the web browser to open the file with the application, regardless of what MIME type the webserver may claim it is supposed to be.
Also, still noticably missing, is the ability to tell the browser to over-ride the preferences of the webserver in terms of mime type vs. file extension. If I want
sigh... I guess it is still better than the alternatives...
I guess with this release, I'm almost as disgruntled as when I "upgraded" from netscape 3.x to the 4.x "communicator" bullshit... I can't complain too much, it is free afterall...
Where's the proper (British) version?
Yeah, here's a bug fix in meta-code:How hard is this? The ONLY time I want a popup is when I click on something designed to open a new browser window.
~W
sig?
if you built it static compiled, so it didn't matter which distro you were using, how large would it be roughly?
I know it's not the "unix way", but eventually this is what will happen with major apps. Kicking and screaming, until the benefits outweigh the detriments. With virtualization and sandboxes and jails and the sheer demand to make apps that actually install easily, this is going to happen to squabbling linux-land.
We are no longer in the 286 days with a few megs of RAM and teeny hard drives.
It's about time they fixed the "slow as hell back/forward buttons" problem. It's been driving me nuts.
One of life's paradoxes...
Except for ending slavery, the Nazis, communism, & securing American independence, war has never solved anything.
And for installing in Windows environments via Group Policies, are there official .MSI packages? This is critical for corporate deployments in a properly managed Windows environment. Another issue of concern is: Are temporary/cached web files stored within Local Settings in the user's profile? They ought to be -- otherwise dozens or hundreds of megabytes of these files get copied to the server with the rest of the roaming profile when the user logs in and out. This wastes time and disk space.
I always equivocate. Well, almost always.
In either the moz suite or the seamonkey alpha. You only need to download just the browser if that is all you want. It is significantly faster in my experience than FF on linux. Why, I can't tell ya, only that it is. Opera and Konqueror are faster as well, but the suite browser is almost as fast and the page rendering is better, so that's the trade.
I have Firefox 1.0.6, and I'm very happy with it. Why should I want to upgrade? Experience has taught me that getting the "latest and greatest" of anything usually involves acquiring additional defects and features that I do not want.
:-)
Please convince me that Firefox 1.5 does not take any steps backwards.
Too bad the Mac link doesn't download properly because the server doesn't know how to deliver DMG files.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
Thanks a million!
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Safari combined with Pithhelmet blocks everything, right off the bat, no wacky configuring involved. I don't even want to bother figuring how to get the banners blocked in FF. Sorry, FF, but I'm a computer retard, and until I can be up and running in 5 min with a better setup (thanks for auto-importing my Safari bookmarks, though! Nice feature!) I won't use you.
Just the opinon of a non-propellerhead Joe.
You know what?
After launching FF 1.5, I was told Session Saver is not compatible.. Any word on a replacement or a compatible version release?
firefox lets you know greasemonkey wont work, quicktime just has no video
Does anyone else's options dialog look hideous? For example on the Downloads section whatever button is at the bottom is totally cut off by the bottom of the dialog, and there's no way to resize it. This is on Windows, haven't tried my Mac.
I take this post as seconding the parent, so let me second the second. It seems like a straight-up bug. I mean, Firefox knows what client send my torrents to, but even when I ask it to "never again confirm", again a window pops up asking me whether I'd like to use my bittorrent app to open this torrent file. Grrrrr!
no win64 version yet? IE has 32 and 64 bit versions...
So, what you are saying, what you are trying to tell me is that i have the exact same version as the new version? Is that what are you are trying to tell us?
What do you mean?
I mod everyone down who says "I'll get modded down for this." I hate to disappoint.
I have a giant bar across the bottom of the browser window. The bar has a red caret on the left edge.
It will not open a new window. The little spinning disc pops up next to the mouse cursor, but no new window appears.
I've reported the bugs since about 2 1/2 years ago. There has been no action. Copy and paste this into a new browser tab, since Bugzilla does not accept referrals from Slashdot:
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https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22
After spending money advertising Firefox to gain brand recognition, why does the Firefox 1.5 final version still have "Deer Park" labelling all over it? Giving the development version a code name is fine, but users should not have visibility of this.
As an analogy, imagine demonstrating Linux to your CIO and the first thing he sees is "Now booting Zonked Quokka"...
Does anyone know how to show longer bookmark names for FF? That's the one thing holding me back from switching from Opera.
Dearest Zonk,
Allow me to introduce you to
Bouncer.
Bouncer is driving all of the downloadsfor the Mozilla Foundation.
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If properly configured, extensions do matter!
I had the same problem for saving files and it drove me mad but by removing the "default entry" for the MIMEtype (application/octet-stream I think) in the 'helper application' then mozilla used the file extension to identify the type of the file when the MIMEtype was the default, which happen quite often unfortunately.
IMHO this is a bug in Mozilla behaviour: it should tell the user which try to create an entry associated with application/octet-stream in the 'helper application' that it is usually a BAD idea and why..
Now, see, if you don't write your own patches, you're just a user. :-)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
How to the Fullest with Firefox 1.5 1) Visit their error pages. 2) Play dragged&dropped with the tabs. 3) Report as many broken web sites as possible. 4) Play "how fast your back and forward navigation" with your other browser-type friend.
My my, the complaints are coming in thick and fast now aren't they? /.
I see most threads are complaining to some extent about memory leaks. Yet these bugs have been in since almost day one. I find it incredible that people still hype Firefox as being the saviour of the internet/opensource/ when it is blatantly bloated, buggy software, not to mention user unfriendly to the masses. Yes, the masses, not us geeky types on
Typical example
1.download FF
2.change settings through about:config because there is no UI for the preference (I mean for christ sakes, you expect mrs brady old lady to use about:config?)
3.trawl through extensions list for 1 hour to find extensions you want to make the browser exhibit features already in a browser like Opera
4.one month later perform security update and hope extensions aren't broken. if broken trawl through extensions site for latest version.
5.major update. oh wait. extensions broken. trawl through to get latest versions.
Meanwhile gasp in amazement as it sucks the memory out of your system after opening just a handfull of tabs.
Because it's opensource it seems Firefox is beyond reproach. If MS put out a browser identical to Firefox, people would be up in arms about how crap and bloated it is.
p.s. minimzing the 1.0.x flushed the GDI cache for FF. The latest release does no such thing, so your stuck with the memory leak
So, they moved the product pages from mozilla.org to mozilla.com. What does that imply? Are they going to be commercial from now on? I don't mind paying for mugs and t-shirts, but not the software...
Well, Ive already installed FF 1.5. So far so good.
But can anyone explain to me why the older news at Slashdot now shows only as numbers between brackets?
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Interesting. I /have/ actually noticed this behaviour in the past, but now that I try it in RC3, usage shoots up - from ~450M by ~200M with 4 copies of that page - but when I close them again, it immediately drops back down again. This is on Windows XP SP2, incidentally, which normally fairs much worse on such tests than Linux does for me.
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Here is an interesting left over that I'm having a difficult time trying to recreate. I am the only one who uses my system, the only one who has access to it (In my house, in my office attached to my bedroom).
:).. several times :)
I always clear my cache, saved information, drop down box text, etc.. I upgraded to 1.5, and then shot over to ebay to look for a new computer case. I went to login and with I click the Login text box, it dropped open with the default user name "zippy10" (no password.. I tried
After numerous login attempts "zippy10" disappeared from the drop down and it was clear as it usually is.
I check zippy10 out on ebay and they don't seem like they would be associated with firefox by any means... of course, due to font selection it could have been l0 10 lO (L-zero, etc...) unsure.
Bugger, they only seem to have released the en-us version, any idea when they will release the en-uk version? I've been waiting for Adobe and others to release this language version for many years.
Action has been taken. Because that bug report was a hodgepodge of different problems, it was resolved as invalid. Please report new bugs, one per "test", listing the exact steps to reproduce and the actual and expected results. Alternatively, you can post details of your problem in MozillaZine and someone is able to reproduce the problems, they can file bugs for you.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Interesting. I wonder if you are measuring memory usage by looking at "Mem usage", "VM size", or about:cache. The last two balloon up for me as I open&close lots of tabs over a few hours.
What happens if you open pages with lots of images in a bunch of tabs? Large JPEG images opened directly (vs. embedded in HTML) were supposed to be a common trigger as well.
What is your max and current memory cache size in about:cache after using your browser for a while? If I'm reading your post right, you're using 450MB to start!?!!
I just upgraded from 1.07 to 1.5 and now some eCommerce sites I can't checkout on! 1.5 DOES NOT "transfer" on CC info. example (www.espnshop.com). I installed 1.07 "side by side" with 1.5 and 1.07 works, 1.5 does not! This is a HUGE bug! If you do a lot of online shopping DON'T overwrite your older version of firefox - you may have to revert back!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
As I'm sure many of you know, FARK.com has been having database issues for the last few days. With Firefox 1.0.7, it would stop loading a comment thread halfway through, then you would get a pop-up saying "The document contains no data". I could then click OK, the pop-up would go away, and I could at least read what had been retrieved.
Now, if there's an error on the page, it disappears and is replaced by AN ENTIRE PAGE saying "The page didn't load" with a "Try again?" button.
Is there any way to switch back to the previous behavior? That's really farking annoying.
/.: why the hell am I here?
And people who can read instructions should be modded up.
You're wasting your breath. I spent minutes of my life I will never get back - he seems to think that 14 windows with a half-dozen tabs per, some of which contain PDFs, shouldn't ever crash. They probably shouldn't, but not at any reasonable development cost.
The Mozilla site is totally hosed right now. I'm getting 404s left and right.
Half way down someone spells it out to him... it's 400 pages open at once, some being PDFs. How does IE fare with 400 windows open?
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
And I have done an analysis that shows that Firefox has a lower TCO than Linux.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
though well intentioned, you are an idiot.
You have repeatedly filed rambling, pointless essays to this Bugzilla bug. Over and over again, it has been explained to you that the "comments" "speculation" and "ideas" you proffer are of no use. They are merely absorbing disk space, bandwidth, and the time & energy of people reading the bug. Several people have made concrete suggestions about how to continue assisting the developers, even mini-how-to's on memory profiling tools and debuggers! The problem with your catch-all bug has been explained. The way to contribute usefully has been explained. You are now simply wasting people's time and energy. Perhaps it would help to imagine that everyone in mozilla are lazy, stupid idiots who don't care about the energy people like you have expended. If that suggestion helps you to FORGET IT AND MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!! -- please, be my guest.
Disclaimer - though I did some minor QA & bug logging in pre Mozilla 1.0 days, I'm now just an interested observer. Indeed, that was the first bugzilla bug I've read all the way through for months if not years. Actually I think that's a testiment to how damn good the programmers, bug filers, testers, designers, lizard wranglers and so on are. I use Ffx 1.5 at home on an elderly PII/233, on Linux, with 320Mb of RAM. I *always* leave my Firefoxen[sorry] to run until they crash, for the purpose of submitting some sort of Talkback data if at all possible. I make liberal use of tabs (though I don't have multiple F/fx windows - 1 is enough for me.) The last three or four times I had to restart Firefox were after reboots caused by power outages (I'm rural! the power lines are still overground for miles around, and we get a lot of storms...) and me dicking around with other stuff on the box - kernel compiles, very newbish fiddling with kernel modules and the like. I also use it on Windows at work without problems. In fact I use the nightly builds on there (1.6a) which updates every few days, automatically.
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You said, "... you are an idiot."
I've found that, generally, those who are disrespectful in debate are merely acting out their anger and are uninformed. That certainly applies to you.
It has been explained over and over to Firefox developers that this is a SHOWSTOPPER BUG and that it is VERY EASY for them to replicate the problem. That's all someone who knows the code needs. I would do fix the problem myself but I have no experience with the code.
"Indeed, that was the first bugzilla bug I've read all the way through for months if not years."
More nonsense. If you had read the bug completely, you would know that there is NEVER a TalkBack snapshot. TalkBack is NEVER invoked. If you had read the bug, you would know why.
Do you experience the Firefox 1.5 CPU and memory hogging bug? Firefox developers say they need more specific information before they can fix this bug. Please report your details.
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This bug has been reported to Bugzilla, and is very easy to replicate, but has been marked invalid because there is not enough specific information. The bug has existed in Firefox for more than 2 years, but several people report that it is worse in Firefox 1.5. Firefox's Bugzilla does not allow direct links from Slashdot, so copy and paste Bugzilla URLs into a new tab. Remove the space:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22
The huge memory use, and 94% CPU use with no activity, occur after opening and closing many Firefox windows and tabs, as happens when researching something on the internet over a period of hours or days. The bug symptoms are worse after putting the computer on standby or after hibernating. My experience has been that the memory and CPU hogging always occur together, so they appear to be the same bug. However, the CPU hogging symptom takes longer to appear.
You can demonstrate the memory use problem quickly by loading and closing the following large web page into multiple Firefox tabs a few times:
http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_mono
To see the memory and CPU percentage used in Windows, right-click on the Taskbar and choose Task Manager. Choose the Processes tab.
The bug has often been reported on Slashdot. Here are a few examples:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169676&cid=14
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=14
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=14
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=14
Just to let you know, bookmarks are automatically backed up correctly (and in an incremental fashion in the bookmarkbackups/ directory), so losing your bookmarks is no longer an issue. Remote synchronising your bookmarks across several computers is a wonderful feature to have though...
'Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
I don't think that ignoring this bug will make people stop talking about it. I can see that you are annoyed, and it is not clear to me why. Also, you have mis-represented the issue. The bug is easily reproduced and the next step is for a developer to look at why it occurs.
Here's my expression of the story to date:
There is a HUGE, well-known bug in Firefox 1.5, the CPU and Memory Hogging bug. Developers refuse to fix it, even though anyone can demonstrate the bug easily. Apparently there is some kind of social problem. Maybe no one has the authority to deal with a major bug.
This bug has been reported to Bugzilla, and is very easy to reproduce (see below), but Firefox developers have marked it invalid because there is not enough specific information! The bug has existed in Firefox for more than 2 years, and several people report that it is worse in Firefox 1.5. Firefox's Bugzilla does not allow direct links from Slashdot, so copy and paste Bugzilla URLs into a new tab. Remove the space:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131 456
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222 660
The huge memory use, and 94% CPU use or more with no activity, occur after opening and closing many Firefox windows and tabs, as happens when researching something on the internet over a period of hours or days. The bug symptoms are worse after putting the computer on standby or after hibernating. My experience has been that the memory and CPU hogging always occur together, so they appear to be the same bug. However, the CPU hogging symptom takes longer to appear.
You can demonstrate the memory use problem quickly by loading and closing the following large web page into multiple Firefox tabs a few times:
http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_mono/ libc.html
To see the memory and CPU percentage used in Windows, right-click on the Taskbar and choose Task Manager. Choose the Processes tab.
The only answer is for a developer who knows the code to reproduce the problem and see what causes it. It is not clear to me why they are unwilling to do so. This bug seems especially interesting to me. It is likely that fixing this bug will fix other issues. It is likely that
The bug has often been reported on Slashdot. Here are a few examples:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169676&cid=141 43632
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=140 62501
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=140 62671
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168683&cid=140 66613
I posted the bug numbered 222660 in Bugzilla. It is interesting to note that apparently no developer has bothered to read the entire bug report and take the time to understand it. For 2 1/2 years, developers have been saying things like this: 1) Maybe this bug is fixed in the nightly version. 2) Yes, this bug exists, but it isn't important. 3) No one has posted a TalkBack report. (If they read the bug report, they would know that there is never a TalkBack report, because the bug crashes TalkBack, too.) 4) If you would just give us more information, we would fix this bug. 5) This bug report is a composite of other bugs, so this bug report is invalid. (The other bugs aren't specified.) 6) You are using Firefox in a way that would crash any software. 7) I don't like the way you worded your report. 8) You should run a debugger and find what causes this problem yourself. 9) Often someone uses the subject to act out anger; that person only pretends to
See I don't think this story will go away.
I'm posting this from a Firefox 1.5 instance I started using yesterday. It shows 5% CPU use now with no activity. Soon that will go to 30%. Then 94%. As I've said, the problem is much worse in Firefox 1.5.
I've dropped back to version 1.0.7 myself. Ever since the RC 4, I've noticed that Firefox has dropped my favorite feature -- going down a cookie list and blocking some permanantly.
DOM Inspector 1.8, TalkBack 1.5, Image Zoom 0.2.1, Adblock 0.5.2.039
I don't know what a "clean profile" is, but I'm willing to run one.
I've read all the objections. I still think there is room for sensible discussion.
Opera's been everything I need a browser to be since I was forced back to it in search of an e-mail program, oddly enough-- Thunderbird destroyed a friend's entire e-mail storage (about four months after I installed it for her) and Apple Mail apparently froze but 'sent' some important e-mails of mine without saving a copy anywhere.
Fortunately, Opera got a version (8.5) that actually worked on Mac at about the same time, and Firefox just isn't as good yet. And now ad-free Opera is officially free.
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DOM Inspector 1.8, TalkBack 1.5, Image Zoom 0.2.1, Adblock 0.5.2.039
I don't know what a "clean profile" is, but I'm willing to run one.
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I've read all the objections. I still think there is room for sensible discussion.
You said, "-How big of a page does it take for a 94% spike, and how long is the spike? (the example page you gave takes around 6 seconds to render on my 1.6 gig P4 on a freshly started copy)"
I really feel bad when I read that. I've spent perhaps 30 hours documenting a serious problem and EVERY person who has responded has shown that they didn't read what I wrote.
It is not a 94% spike, it is 94% all the time, even when there is no browser activity. The fact that Firefox uses all the CPU power causes the computer to slow to an unusable crawl. Many people have complained about this, not just me.
I'd like to talk on the telephone with a Firefox developer who has the authority to make a difference. It's obvious to me that I have a good idea, but I have gotten nothing but obfuscation from those who have responded.
it took 2years+ to get firefox to version 1.0.
how long it took them to release 1.5?