The primary reason the Treo platform and PocketPC platforms are buggy and virus-prone... is because the operating systems are buggy and virus-prone, or at the very least they are crufty and insecure. I feel confident Apple could do a better job. They simply choose not to.
What are the 3rd party apps you installed on your Treo?
WindowSaver2007+++++ v.5.6.99.0.PR5? Fantasy Quest 8000?
Or actual applications that you need to get your work done?
Guess you won't miss VNC on your Treo, huh? Or will you gladly fork over $50 a pop for anything that remotely resembles "useful" just so long as it's blessed by Steve-o and friends?
Here's a hint: Your Treo is unstable (and my Cingular 8285 is unstable) not because of the software we install, necessarily, but because (pay close attention, this is important) THE OPERATING SYSTEMS SUCK AND ARE KLUDGY. We can expect better from Apple.
Apparently, however, we cannot expect them to treat us like adults.
where this perception that ALLOWING the ability to write applications for the phone somehow "removes" its status as a status symbol comes from.
Letting me install NetHack on my iPhone will not "crash Cingular's network." It is ENTIRELY within Apple's power to keep the phone hardware behind a proprietary wall while allowing the rest of the phone to be accessed.
No ssh. (Kiss all your sysadmins goodbye right there) No Terminal at all. (Ditto) No vlc. No vnc. (Remember those sysadmins?) No mplayer. No open-source software at all. (Yep, them again.) No games other than the lame-ass ones you have to get from Apple - and watch them cost $15.
Just because you're apparently not imaginative enough to think of reasons you would want useful applications on a tiny OSX box doesn't mean everyone else isn't either.
Why did he go to the trouble of discussing how the iPhone "runs OSX," "has Cocoa" and "runs desktop-class applications" if it's going to be a closed platform?
It's completely nutters. Apple could choose to be in control of THE "must-have" POSIX handheld device with a software library encompassing all of OSX's existing software (minus the heavy hardware requirement stuff) and a significant fraction of the software available for FreeBSD and Linux... or they could choose to have a phone.
Because it is going to be a closed platform. No XCode. Which means:
No ssh/scp No Terminal at all No vlc No VNC No instant messaging No VoIP of any kind No games No newsreader No RSS No UNIX.
Does anyone else appreciate the irony of Jobs going on and on about the "desktop-class applications" available because the iPhone "runs OSX," or even better, the fact that the iPhone website mentions "Cocoa" when NO ONE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT?
Ugh. What a stupid move. Apple could have had *THE* must-have POSIX-compatible handheld device on the market, able to run a huge library of existing (simple) OSX software with nothing more than a UI redesign and a recompile. Instead they have chosen to turn it into "just a phone" and bowed to pressure from Cingular. Disgusting.
Internet access through Cingular is a horrid, expensive mess, and like everyone else, they cripple the Bluetooth features of their Bluetooth-enabled phones such that you cannot do file transfer through it.
It's not a "computing platform" at all, OSX-based OS or not, as long as Steve persists in his plan of keeping it a closed system (read: no third party software, no SDK, no hackability).
Until Apple changes this, the iPhone will be a pretty, very expensive toy.
If they DO change it and allow developers to (for example) begin porting the massive library of existing OSX software (and POSIX-compliant software like Linux software in general) to it, well. The iPhone would then become THE must-have gadget that they want it to become.
We are under no obligation to allow every pre-something to become that something. There is also no logical reason to grant pre-somethings the considerations due somethings.
Suppose someone's finger gets cut off. DNA tests will undoubtedly confirm it to be human. Should it be afforded all the rights of a person? Should we keep it on life support?
No. Because a finger, like a pre-3 month embryo, is an incomplete piece of a person.
Why did you insist on continuing to use that ancient sound card when you could have had a supported replacement that sounded better for an incredibly tiny amount of money?
You could have just called the credit card company and told them to stop payment for any charges from Earthlink. Then made another phone call to Earthlink to inform them of the change (making sure you get the guy's name). That's a lot less of a hassle than changing your credit card number.
Your comment suggests that Linux will never be "ready for the desktop." Assuming you accept that it isn't already (which I don't), that is simply absurd. It is either there already or will be within a year or two -- not 5 years down the line like everyone used to say. Have you SEEN Ubuntu lately? It is, not to put too fine a point on it, fucking awesome.
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The primary reason the Treo platform and PocketPC platforms are buggy and virus-prone... is because the operating systems are buggy and virus-prone, or at the very least they are crufty and insecure. I feel confident Apple could do a better job. They simply choose not to.
That sounds like a GREAT situation for someone who wants ssh, VNC, vlc, Colloquy, centericq and cron running on his iPhone that RUNS UNIX.
What are the 3rd party apps you installed on your Treo?
WindowSaver2007+++++ v.5.6.99.0.PR5? Fantasy Quest 8000?
Or actual applications that you need to get your work done?
Guess you won't miss VNC on your Treo, huh? Or will you gladly fork over $50 a pop for anything that remotely resembles "useful" just so long as it's blessed by Steve-o and friends?
Here's a hint: Your Treo is unstable (and my Cingular 8285 is unstable) not because of the software we install, necessarily, but because (pay close attention, this is important) THE OPERATING SYSTEMS SUCK AND ARE KLUDGY. We can expect better from Apple.
Apparently, however, we cannot expect them to treat us like adults.
No, they wouldn't.
Monitors and steel cases are heavy.
Maybe others of us want something more durable, cheaper and capable of mesh networking out of the box.
Javascript. That sounds incredibly enticing.
Come on.
Why are you comparing Windows ME to OSX?
where this perception that ALLOWING the ability to write applications for the phone somehow "removes" its status as a status symbol comes from.
Letting me install NetHack on my iPhone will not "crash Cingular's network." It is ENTIRELY within Apple's power to keep the phone hardware behind a proprietary wall while allowing the rest of the phone to be accessed.
You can't USE the damn thing for anything beyond what Steve envisions.
There will be no free games for the iPhone, and the pay ones will all cost way more than they are worth.
All of the potential of OSX and Cocoa will be locked up in the Apple ivory tower. GG, Steve. GG.
No ssh. (Kiss all your sysadmins goodbye right there)
No Terminal at all. (Ditto)
No vlc.
No vnc. (Remember those sysadmins?)
No mplayer.
No open-source software at all. (Yep, them again.)
No games other than the lame-ass ones you have to get from Apple - and watch them cost $15.
Just because you're apparently not imaginative enough to think of reasons you would want useful applications on a tiny OSX box doesn't mean everyone else isn't either.
Yeah, I really didn't understand this.
Why did he go to the trouble of discussing how the iPhone "runs OSX," "has Cocoa" and "runs desktop-class applications" if it's going to be a closed platform?
It's completely nutters. Apple could choose to be in control of THE "must-have" POSIX handheld device with a software library encompassing all of OSX's existing software (minus the heavy hardware requirement stuff) and a significant fraction of the software available for FreeBSD and Linux... or they could choose to have a phone.
W. T. F?
Expect this to last about a month, until someone posts some company's trade secret and the site gets sued off the face of the planet.
as long as Jobs keeps the API locked down, which he shows no signs of relenting on.
Because it is going to be a closed platform. No XCode. Which means:
No ssh/scp
No Terminal at all
No vlc
No VNC
No instant messaging
No VoIP of any kind
No games
No newsreader
No RSS
No UNIX.
Does anyone else appreciate the irony of Jobs going on and on about the "desktop-class applications" available because the iPhone "runs OSX," or even better, the fact that the iPhone website mentions "Cocoa" when NO ONE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT?
Ugh. What a stupid move. Apple could have had *THE* must-have POSIX-compatible handheld device on the market, able to run a huge library of existing (simple) OSX software with nothing more than a UI redesign and a recompile. Instead they have chosen to turn it into "just a phone" and bowed to pressure from Cingular. Disgusting.
Internet access through Cingular is a horrid, expensive mess, and like everyone else, they cripple the Bluetooth features of their Bluetooth-enabled phones such that you cannot do file transfer through it.
It's not a "computing platform" at all, OSX-based OS or not, as long as Steve persists in his plan of keeping it a closed system (read: no third party software, no SDK, no hackability).
Until Apple changes this, the iPhone will be a pretty, very expensive toy.
If they DO change it and allow developers to (for example) begin porting the massive library of existing OSX software (and POSIX-compliant software like Linux software in general) to it, well. The iPhone would then become THE must-have gadget that they want it to become.
::applause::
"Will" is an entirely different matter from "is."
We are under no obligation to allow every pre-something to become that something. There is also no logical reason to grant pre-somethings the considerations due somethings.
How does the Heisenberg compensator work?!
(Fishing for Okuda's stock response here)
Suppose someone's finger gets cut off. DNA tests will undoubtedly confirm it to be human. Should it be afforded all the rights of a person? Should we keep it on life support?
No. Because a finger, like a pre-3 month embryo, is an incomplete piece of a person.
I think the world is gradually becoming more computer-literate to the point that fewer and fewer people are going to be like your brother.
has Windows worked with no thought whatsoever?
Why did you insist on continuing to use that ancient sound card when you could have had a supported replacement that sounded better for an incredibly tiny amount of money?
You could have just called the credit card company and told them to stop payment for any charges from Earthlink. Then made another phone call to Earthlink to inform them of the change (making sure you get the guy's name). That's a lot less of a hassle than changing your credit card number.
Your comment suggests that Linux will never be "ready for the desktop." Assuming you accept that it isn't already (which I don't), that is simply absurd. It is either there already or will be within a year or two -- not 5 years down the line like everyone used to say. Have you SEEN Ubuntu lately? It is, not to put too fine a point on it, fucking awesome.