games". But, looking at the tech specs, this piece of machinery doesn't stand a chance against the Xbox. Celeron 366? 4MB Video RAM? Seems a little too underpowered to me.
Yes it is. But this box isn't meant to compete with full featured game consoles. Many are just happy to be able to play simple games which will run fine on that iron. Nokia has probably noticed this with cell phone games. They are miserable (as for computer game), but because they exist, people play them. Same goes here, if you are going to have some kind of setup box and it happens to have games, people are going to play with them. I mean, people wath shopping channels too! Tetris is whole more entertaining! Especially if games are free of charge..
I think is misjudgment to see this just as an game console. Nokia is doing something else here. Games are just one feature to of this concept.
If I understood Nokia's press release correctly, idea is to do open platform for home inforteinment (spelling intentional) box. This includes games but applications are much wider. This is like having an option to write programs to your TV, Stereo, Digi-TV setup-box etc. You name it! All these things are combined under same platform (OST).
Tell an entire campus to buy new software from
DataFellows because their new clients dont support v1, and all old clients won't support v2. OpenSSH was a blessing to get things to work for everyone.
You've got the company wrong. DataFellows is nowadays F-Secure, and F-Secure indeed sells SSH products. But Tatu's company is SSH Communications. I prefer SSH Communications' software.
What do you have to do to apply UML successfully, and what does it buy you that you couldn't get from simply thinking carefully about things up front?
Well there are many things. First off all, using UML is worth only when using Object Oriented methods (not necessary languages). After that, there are plenty good things in using UML. Think about Reuse for example. How to model frameworks, reusable specs and reuseable components without unified modelling language? I mean you CAN write it all down in English, but who's going to read it?-) About Reuse, I don't mean copy-paste. Wiser man than I, have said that Don't reuse code without reusing specs. And I'm begining to believe that. Of course if none of those are't your goals, how about maintaining systems? Wouldn't it be nice to have unified specs for systems that you have to maintain? Modeling is HARD, it's harder than coding, because you have to think everything. When coding, compiler tells you some mistakes you make. However you have to model system to some level before coding. Without that it's really hard to make complex system without inconsistency. I'm not saying that coding is easy. Good modeller knows what kind of problems there are in implementation, that is knows how to code. Implementation isn't trivial phase in the process, but it IS easier when you have precise specs.
I agree.. I mean there are severe security issues, but think of the network overhead. Every time you change data, it's marshalled and sent via SOAP to somewhere and then back. Of cource we can go back to old days when you had to press button to calculate formulas.
It's funny how business is waving from thin client to fat client. Using web services like this client is somewhat in the middle. And that's in my opinion worst possible solution.
There can be also a techinal problem with XML based services. You have to make damn sure that the DTD (or better Schema) you do for the services is well done. If you have to change that, all the 'clients' have to update. If data would be trasfered as Objects, there is no harm done if attributes change, because service won't even see them.
I'd say best choice is to buy inexpensive phone. Here in Finland cheapest GSM phones are about 10£. If you buy little more sophisticated (used Nokia for example) you can connect it to your computer to use it for sending messages. Friend of mine made his own SMS service by buying some old Nokia and connecting it to Linux. Simple script polled the phone frequently via cable.. and once you've got the message to some parser imagination is the limit:). Sending messages with some automated script is also possible.
I'm personally waiting to get my GPRS phone. Here operators are offering GPRS with fixed monthly charge without pay-per-byte policy. With that I'm able to use email instead of expensive SMS messages.
Hi,
Most of slashdotters doesn't seem to appriciate OO programming (or design), but I think KDE demonstrates power of Objects. Once framework is done, building applications and features (and integrating them) becomes quite easy. I presume that future KDE development will be quite fast and truly makes KDE desktop delight to use. I enjoy it allready..:)
As far as I know most GTK and Gnome stuff is made with C, but if I'm wrong, please correct me.
I just don't get it. Here in Slashdot seems to be a lot peole who really haven't followed server-side application development in past few years. Truth is that Java has a solid and GROWING market on server-side. I'd say Java ROCKS. These new frameworks change the way we see software in few years and I can't undestand people just don't see it..NET probably is a viable option but by J2EE is way ahead.
Oh.. figures. J2EE Application Servers have 76-90% share, with 25+ vendors. [source java.sun.com]
"Java does not run on any platform. I hate when things like that are said. Don't get me wrong, I like Java a lot. But, in the end, Java "officially" runs on three platforms Windows, Solaris, and Linux."
That's just wrong.. Here are some companys SHIPPING Java enviroments:
Quote from IBM WebSphere site"V3.5 supports Windows NT, Windows 2000, Solaris, AIX, AS/400 and HP-UX. V3.02 supports Red Hat Linux, Caldera Linux, OS/390 and Novell Netware"
Is just browsed through the white paper, and I'd say that just using this to run CGI in development is quite narrow-minded review of it's possibilities. Of cource I've might misunderstood something.
I've looked into Jini lately and that seems to be quite interesting. I just wondered, could this be a way to use Jini based services on net via browers. There aren't probably any yet, but plugging Jini -services to brower might by a killer. Jini might be one good technique for doing 2nd generation Internet services.. Services that are dynamic, not-flashy-html-www stuff which makes it real hard to actually USE the information on the net for anything else except human browsing.. Well this might be quite far feched, but I'd say that anyone who has thought these things might have some clue about what I'm talking about..
You are right that losing network is fatal in this scenario. However everything is networking in very quick manner, and I am for example unable to do most of my work (including word processing) without network connections. What's the use to have working word processor if all your resources are unreachable? Few years ago I gathered my sources from books, newspapers and so on, today I won't bother. Information in net is more easy to obtain, it's up-to-date (when used correcly) etc..
I mean you can edit your current work etc, but real effective work requires network. And number of people depending their work on network is raising rapidly. Sun's slogan "Network is the computer" is closer today than ever before. Tomorrow it's even closer.
permenenet connection, all I need is a larger screen to handle the bitmaps and other bandwidth intensive data, so why shouldn't I stick with the HTML/HTTP/WWW/TCP/IP stack in preference to WAP? Why buy into this concept of these parallel websites (WML and HTML)?
If you are really going to carry that large display (portable computer, web pad etc?) around, you probably won't be interested in WAP. I myself prefer small protable devices like cell phones, which never will have that big screen. Offcourse there are different needs for wireless communication, GPRS is step in good direction for all of them.
I won't be surfing with my phone. Just buying movie tickets, cheking timetables, paying bills, reading email etc. The good thing about WAP concept is that in few years everybody has allready WAP-enabled phone (in Europe). You don't have to buy any additional gadget. Personal portable computer (or even PDA) coverage is going to be significantly less.
WAP can be used over several types of connections. For example SMS, GSM data OR GPRS. WAP is protocol family, and it really doesn't have anything to do with courier type. Like HTML doesn't care wheter connection is modem, cabel-modem or what ever. You can even use your internet connection to use WAP applications. (if you have WAP browser). Actually GPRS makes WAP better, because it makes it faster...
What did they use? OS/2. We all know how well OS/2 fared! Why? Because it was not even close to the quality of Microsoft's product: Windows 3.1. And,
I wouldn't even mention Windows 3.1 and.
OS/2 in same paragraph when talking about quality. Yes, Win 3.1 was lot better than really crappy Win 3.0, but for example memory handling and multitasking was far behind OS/2.
Rather than quality, in my opinion, marketing, big promises and stupidy are reasons behind Microsoft's success. Allthough, I'd must admit that in reacent years Microsoft has improved it's quality. Windows NT 4.0 is stable (after many SPs) ja Win2000 can be that too. I'm NT user myself..
if you want to talk innovation, look at the Windows 3.1 interface. Where do you think those early versions of IBM's product (OS/2) got their interface ideas?
Both OS/2 2.0 and Windows 3.1 were released in year 1992. User interface in OS/2 was far more advanced, it had object desktop etc. Windows 95 introduced interface which had many simiraties to OS/2 2.0, so I'd say Windows 95 took influence from OS/2.
Microsoft is innovative, but all innovations aren't that good. Remember Bob or original MSN...
RDS is optional, you can listen radio stations sending RDS programs without RDS. Many RDS radios have option to turn off RDS.. Some stations use RDS text feature for advertising, that's a another good reason also to turn it off.
I've found it usefull though, it really helps 'tuning' right channels. You don't have to remember frequencys when you see name of the radio station.
Actually GPS & GSM phone has been already introduced. Benefon's Esc! is dual-band (900MHz & 1800MHz) GSM phone with GPS with few quite neat features. You can for example send your coordinates with SMS to a friend who can then locate you from map if one available. Local maps can be downloaded to phone. Screen is quite nice for a phone, 100x160 pixels, up to 20 rows of text. Phone itself isn't that big 129x29x23 mm, weight 150g. It has also the usual data staff, internal modem etc..
>is awesome technology now. Yeah, it's >microsoftand yeah it's wince, but I vote for >better technology anyday. I think this is complete vapourware. MS has lost it's vision. They had to get together some trendy vision about wireless systems. Truth is that big companies like Siemens, Bosch etc. spent YEARS for developing decent 'simple' GSM phones. I mean many GSM phones that were introduced before 1998 [In Europe] had either problems with hardware (battery, size, display etc) or with software (lack of options, idiotic features) when compared to Ericsson and especially Nokia. Some of them can't STILL get them right (for example Motorola) IMHO. I wonder how well a company like Microsoft with virtually no experience in this field succeeds developing a SMART phone. Even Nokia has obvious problems with it's new 7110 WAP Phone. It should have reached market already, but haven't seen them yet.. MS has lot's of money but buying know-how seems to be quite difficult..
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Yes it is. But this box isn't meant to compete with full featured game consoles. Many are just happy to be able to play simple games which will run fine on that iron. Nokia has probably noticed this with cell phone games. They are miserable (as for computer game), but because they exist, people play them. Same goes here, if you are going to have some kind of setup box and it happens to have games, people are going to play with them. I mean, people wath shopping channels too! Tetris is whole more entertaining! Especially if games are free of charge..
I think is misjudgment to see this just as an game console. Nokia is doing something else here. Games are just one feature to of this concept.
If I understood Nokia's press release correctly, idea is to do open platform for home inforteinment (spelling intentional) box. This includes games but applications are much wider. This is like having an option to write programs to your TV, Stereo, Digi-TV setup-box etc. You name it! All these things are combined under same platform (OST).
Tell an entire campus to buy new software from DataFellows because their new clients dont support v1, and all old clients won't support v2. OpenSSH was a blessing to get things to work for everyone.
You've got the company wrong. DataFellows is nowadays F-Secure, and F-Secure indeed sells SSH products. But Tatu's company is SSH Communications. I prefer SSH Communications' software.
What do you have to do to apply UML successfully, and what does it buy you that you couldn't get from simply thinking carefully about things up front?
Well there are many things. First off all, using UML is worth only when using Object Oriented methods (not necessary languages). After that, there are plenty good things in using UML. Think about Reuse for example. How to model frameworks, reusable specs and reuseable components without unified modelling language? I mean you CAN write it all down in English, but who's going to read it?-) About Reuse, I don't mean copy-paste. Wiser man than I, have said that Don't reuse code without reusing specs. And I'm begining to believe that. Of course if none of those are't your goals, how about maintaining systems? Wouldn't it be nice to have unified specs for systems that you have to maintain? Modeling is HARD, it's harder than coding, because you have to think everything. When coding, compiler tells you some mistakes you make. However you have to model system to some level before coding. Without that it's really hard to make complex system without inconsistency. I'm not saying that coding is easy. Good modeller knows what kind of problems there are in implementation, that is knows how to code. Implementation isn't trivial phase in the process, but it IS easier when you have precise specs.
I agree.. I mean there are severe security issues, but think of the network overhead. Every time you change data, it's marshalled and sent via SOAP to somewhere and then back. Of cource we can go back to old days when you had to press button to calculate formulas.
It's funny how business is waving from thin client to fat client. Using web services like this client is somewhat in the middle. And that's in my opinion worst possible solution.
There can be also a techinal problem with XML based services. You have to make damn sure that the DTD (or better Schema) you do for the services is well done. If you have to change that, all the 'clients' have to update. If data would be trasfered as Objects, there is no harm done if attributes change, because service won't even see them.
I'd say best choice is to buy inexpensive phone. Here in Finland cheapest GSM phones are about 10£. If you buy little more sophisticated (used Nokia for example) you can connect it to your computer to use it for sending messages. Friend of mine made his own SMS service by buying some old Nokia and connecting it to Linux. Simple script polled the phone frequently via cable.. and once you've got the message to some parser imagination is the limit :). Sending messages with some automated script is also possible.
I'm personally waiting to get my GPRS phone. Here operators are offering GPRS with fixed monthly charge without pay-per-byte policy. With that I'm able to use email instead of expensive SMS messages.
Hi, :)
As far as I know most GTK and Gnome stuff is made with C, but if I'm wrong, please correct me.
Most of slashdotters doesn't seem to appriciate OO programming (or design), but I think KDE demonstrates power of Objects. Once framework is done, building applications and features (and integrating them) becomes quite easy. I presume that future KDE development will be quite fast and truly makes KDE desktop delight to use. I enjoy it allready..
I just don't get it. Here in Slashdot seems to be a lot peole who really haven't followed server-side application development in past few years. Truth is that Java has a solid and GROWING market on server-side. I'd say Java ROCKS. These new frameworks change the way we see software in few years and I can't undestand people just don't see it. .NET probably is a viable option but by J2EE is way ahead.
Oh.. figures. J2EE Application Servers have 76-90% share, with 25+ vendors. [source java.sun.com]
That's just wrong.. Here are some companys SHIPPING Java enviroments:
I suppose I don't have mention Sun.. Do you come up with some other major OS vendors?
Is just browsed through the white paper, and I'd say that just using this to run CGI in development is quite narrow-minded review of it's possibilities. Of cource I've might misunderstood something.
I've looked into Jini lately and that seems to be quite interesting. I just wondered, could this be a way to use Jini based services on net via browers. There aren't probably any yet, but plugging Jini -services to brower might by a killer. Jini might be one good technique for doing 2nd generation Internet services.. Services that are dynamic, not-flashy-html-www stuff which makes it real hard to actually USE the information on the net for anything else except human browsing.. Well this might be quite far feched, but I'd say that anyone who has thought these things might have some clue about what I'm talking about..
You are right that losing network is fatal in this scenario. However everything is networking in very quick manner, and I am for example unable to do most of my work (including word processing) without network connections. What's the use to have working word processor if all your resources are unreachable? Few years ago I gathered my sources from books, newspapers and so on, today I won't bother. Information in net is more easy to obtain, it's up-to-date (when used correcly) etc.. I mean you can edit your current work etc, but real effective work requires network. And number of people depending their work on network is raising rapidly. Sun's slogan "Network is the computer" is closer today than ever before. Tomorrow it's even closer.
Why not use some Java shh client?
permenenet connection, all I need is a larger screen to handle the bitmaps and other bandwidth intensive data, so why shouldn't I stick with the HTML/HTTP/WWW/TCP/IP stack in preference to WAP? Why buy into this concept of these parallel websites (WML and HTML)?
If you are really going to carry that large display (portable computer, web pad etc?) around, you probably won't be interested in WAP. I myself prefer small protable devices like cell phones, which never will have that big screen. Offcourse there are different needs for wireless communication, GPRS is step in good direction for all of them.
I won't be surfing with my phone. Just buying movie tickets, cheking timetables, paying bills, reading email etc. The good thing about WAP concept is that in few years everybody has allready WAP-enabled phone (in Europe). You don't have to buy any additional gadget. Personal portable computer (or even PDA) coverage is going to be significantly less.
WAP can be used over several types of connections. For example SMS, GSM data OR GPRS. WAP is protocol family, and it really doesn't have anything to do with courier type. Like HTML doesn't care wheter connection is modem, cabel-modem or what ever. You can even use your internet connection to use WAP applications. (if you have WAP browser). Actually GPRS makes WAP better, because it makes it faster...
What did they use? OS/2. We all know how well OS/2 fared! Why? Because it was not even close to the quality of Microsoft's product: Windows 3.1. And,
I wouldn't even mention Windows 3.1 and.
OS/2 in same paragraph when talking about quality. Yes, Win 3.1 was lot better than really crappy Win 3.0, but for example memory handling and multitasking was far behind OS/2.
Rather than quality, in my opinion, marketing, big promises and stupidy are reasons behind Microsoft's success. Allthough, I'd must admit that in reacent years Microsoft has improved it's quality. Windows NT 4.0 is stable (after many SPs) ja Win2000 can be that too. I'm NT user myself..
if you want to talk innovation, look at the Windows 3.1 interface. Where do you think those early versions of IBM's product (OS/2) got their interface ideas?
Both OS/2 2.0 and Windows 3.1 were released in year 1992. User interface in OS/2 was far more advanced, it had object desktop etc. Windows 95 introduced interface which had many simiraties to OS/2 2.0, so I'd say Windows 95 took influence from OS/2.
Microsoft is innovative, but all innovations aren't that good. Remember Bob or original MSN...
>2.Making this "feature" optional.
RDS is optional, you can listen radio stations sending RDS programs without RDS. Many RDS radios have option to turn off RDS.. Some stations use RDS text feature for advertising, that's a another good reason also to turn it off.
I've found it usefull though, it really helps 'tuning' right channels. You don't have to remember frequencys when you see name of the radio station.
Actually GPS & GSM phone has been already introduced. Benefon's Esc! is dual-band (900MHz & 1800MHz) GSM phone with GPS with few quite neat features. You can for example send your coordinates with SMS to a friend who can then locate you from map if one available. Local maps can be downloaded to phone. Screen is quite nice for a phone, 100x160 pixels, up to 20 rows of text. Phone itself isn't that big 129x29x23 mm, weight 150g. It has also the usual data staff, internal modem etc..
>is awesome technology now. Yeah, it's >microsoftand yeah it's wince, but I vote for >better technology anyday. I think this is complete vapourware. MS has lost it's vision. They had to get together some trendy vision about wireless systems. Truth is that big companies like Siemens, Bosch etc. spent YEARS for developing decent 'simple' GSM phones. I mean many GSM phones that were introduced before 1998 [In Europe] had either problems with hardware (battery, size, display etc) or with software (lack of options, idiotic features) when compared to Ericsson and especially Nokia. Some of them can't STILL get them right (for example Motorola) IMHO. I wonder how well a company like Microsoft with virtually no experience in this field succeeds developing a SMART phone. Even Nokia has obvious problems with it's new 7110 WAP Phone. It should have reached market already, but haven't seen them yet.. MS has lot's of money but buying know-how seems to be quite difficult..