'Everyone is a loser, particularly Hollywood studios, the retailer community and, most importantly, the consumer,' says Warren N. Lieberfarb, developer of the original DVD format.'
Yes... with the original DVD format, only the consumer is the loser....;-)
New console was not to be expected till 2005 ?... So... If they release this thing december next year... Then what is all the fuzz about... 1 month ???
Look at DVD's, which became dirt-cheap because you can't copy them. Thanx to the uncrackable.... eh..
Look at DVD's which have regions to avoid... eh... and ofcourse dvd-players can only play 1 region.. no cracks available... eh... well..
What was I trying to say?
Are they going to give the money back to those people that bought a dvd recorder to record their favorite tv-show because they can't be there at that time? Oh... but ofcourse... they've already implemented that great idea of View on Demand.... eh... well... they could...
Next thing we'll be seeing is that we are not allowed to reproduce ourselves...
Even though the ease of updates is good (up2date, urpmi, apt-get), the real question is why and most importantly, IF those updates are nescessery. If people need support for some new hardware they want to install the driver, not a whole new OS every 6 months.
I hope that the update/upgrade process will be smooth for the people, and i trust it will. But very often you see people complaining about any program/distro (as complaining people are the loudest) that X doesn't work, Y needs a workaround and Z is either completely broken or needs a fix asap. At some point THOSE things need to be taken care of before adding yet another feature. I know all the developers of all the oss software are doing the best they can to give us the best software. But you can only give the best if you take the time to take the worst out.
But it would be great if Fedora will accomplish what is really needed... a barely noticable upgrade- and update process. Not just for fixes but for dot and whole releases of the distro. Because no joe average wants or needs the hassle of losing a day upgrading the whole pc again.
I know distros have come a long way allready. I just wish people (that means the users as well) would be more patient. We all know those people that are shouting... Distro 9.Xrc2 is out but probably next week Desktop 4.0 will come out, will the distro wait for that???
Luckily the answer is still no... And I can't blame the distro's for including the latest and greatest if it is more or less stable : they need to sell and the demand is: give us all beta software. And people don't even consider if they actually need it.
But the IT business is relatively new and I guess it is logic for this revolutionary development of this culture. But there will be a time somewhere soon that it will settle down because it has to survive. Just like everything else. Like the dotcom boom that is over. People were taken of the street to work as IT-consultants or programmers. People that didn't even know what a PC looked like. Most of them get fired now as they were in it for the money, not the thing itself. There is some heavy filtering going on and those that need or want to be programmer/consultant will survive. The branch is settling down... now all we need is the same for the ludicrous pace of the software/hardware developments and innovations. That will come soon as well.... Just as you expect your 5yr old VCR to play it's tapes on your brand new widescreen TV. So will the people demand at one time the same for all the soft/hardware and services / standards etc etc.
I know. But if the rest of the oss world keeps this unhealthy pace, most of the software will get less quality, which will have it's consequenses for the distros that release less often as well..
I've just gone back to slackware for the moment. That's the one I started with as well... (Slackware 3.0). I still have that CD:-) It was something I was proud of of using. Also have the CD with Red Hat 3.0.3 and Red Hat 5.0 (the first real boxed set I bought !)
Now it's nothing to be proud of anymore.. I'm a Mandrakeclub member and like mdk very much, but after 6 months I throw away the cd's...
The project will produce time-based releases of Fedora Core about 2-3 times a year with a public release schedule.
So will RedHat release a new product everytime a core gets delivered? Will we see a.0 a.1 and a.2 in 1 year? 3 releases for the core a year sounds rediculous to me. The core is the thing you want to be stable as a rock, not being in beta forever, which is basically what a 3 time release schedule means.
The release cycle of linux distros is what will kill them eventually if they don't slow it down. Most of them have 2 releases (not major ones, but new boxed sets anyway) a year. And they all want the users to pay for them. That's only logic, they're running a business. But the linux distro's and the software they deliver seem to be in eternal beta. People always want the latest and greatest I guess. Lots of distro's have close to 0 people running their stable release. The thing 'we' are all so proud of (stability and security) will be going down the drain real soon if we don't start focusing on them again iso getting a filemanager #311 and a desktop #24. Lets first settle down and get everything stable. And then have a look at what needs a change.
If I buy a distro version 9, it has a lifecycle of 6 months, a year at most. Then I do need to upgrade. if you want businesses to adopt your distro or joe average to use it, cut the upgrades down. It looks silly... We are so stable and secure, but you need to upgrade every 6 months to keep up. A business doesn't want to be in an eternal upgrade cycle. Neither does Joe Average. They want to get work done. Not upgrade or do a complete reinstall with the next release just a few weeks after they have their configuration just as they want.
I started using Linux in 1996 because I wanted something different, a new challenge. I loved the "if you don't need the new feature and it is not a security thing, why upgrade program X?" mentality. Now it's just the other way around. My wife is still running Windows 98 SE on the laptop. That was released what.. 5 years ago? Sure... there were upgrades for a lot of things... but did she need to upgrade the OS itsself every 6 months ? No.
*sigh*... I'm getting old I guess... nevermind me.... I just want my Linux to be stable, secure, and also all the apps i'm running on it. And preferably without losing all support for it because i'm running a distro that is more than 1 yr old.
Sure, my computer doesn't crash when 1 program does. But the program shouldn't crash. I want that to be fixed, not another feature added. Microsoft won't kill Linux... It's doing just fine on its own.
What if I live in a country that has no such law? And if I develop a P2P system there... And leave it to the users discretion to use it anyway they like. I have an explicit note in the EULA that the user is responsible for not using it in countries in which they require the things mentioned in the article? I bet 90% of the people that are not allowed to use it, would still use it (hey 99 % now is willingly stealing already). Kinda pointless isn't it... That's the internet... Very hard to make rules that hold up internationally.
the program that alters the test to fit its own capabilities. That is cheating? How more human can it get ? Humanity is constantly adapting it's surroundings to fit its own needs...
Sounds cool... I'm a pc-user, and I use Linux on it... Does this software work then or is it just like the PC-virus thing... They actually mean MS-Windows but they call it PC.
Another thing... It WOULD be cool to have an import thing for MS-Windows users who are installing Linux on their PC. Don't need new hardware so that's alot cheaper:-) That's one of the big hurdle's to switch... If I switch to a Mac and don't like it, I can't install MS-windows (I CAN install Linux, I know, but usually that's not where people come from) on it.
There is actually some work done by the Mandrake people... You can import the fonts (one of those, 'dmn, Linux is buttugly' features) from your Windows partition.
"... Writing or calling your Congressman/woman, pointing out that Paypal is acting like a bank, but not operating under formal banking laws. 4) Boycotting Paypal because of these reasons, and the fact that their system is notoriously insecure"
So I'm wondering... why did they have that account there in the first place?
But seriously... If MS fights these patents they show their true intentions you say? Why is that? Maybe they would rather have had those patents themselves? For what purpose ? True... probably the wrong one (wrong in OUR eyes), but maybe to make sure no one misuses THEIR technologie (palladium) ?
Why is no one doubting the intentions of this guy? And maybe if his intentions are good NOW, what if he is granted these patents and realises, maybe not now, but somewhere along the way, what power and possible wealth he could gain with these patents? Maybe at a point that he desperately needs money or whatever, or just because of plain greed.
We always question MS here, but we still need to take a carefull look at the other parties as well ok?
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Beneath this article I noticed this fortune cookie:
"Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. "
'Everyone is a loser, particularly Hollywood studios, the retailer community and, most importantly, the consumer,' says Warren N. Lieberfarb, developer of the original DVD format.'
;-)
Yes... with the original DVD format, only the consumer is the loser....
Has the 'mepis - yucrap' joke been made allready?
New console was not to be expected till 2005 ? ... So... If they release this thing december next year... Then what is all the fuzz about... 1 month ???
I wonder why there are still people commenting on those idiots... :-)
At least timothy had an excuse (the devil made him do it). What's yours ? ;-)
but only on the L or the E.
:-)
There are 2 of the G and O, so they'll be less valuable over time.
Unless those disappear one day. But then you ogle
Look at DVD's, which became dirt-cheap because you can't copy them. Thanx to the uncrackable.... eh..
Look at DVD's which have regions to avoid... eh... and ofcourse dvd-players can only play 1 region.. no cracks available... eh... well..
What was I trying to say?
Are they going to give the money back to those people that bought a dvd recorder to record their favorite tv-show because they can't be there at that time? Oh... but ofcourse... they've already implemented that great idea of View on Demand.... eh... well... they could...
Next thing we'll be seeing is that we are not allowed to reproduce ourselves...
Thanx for replying.
/consultant will survive. The branch is settling down... now all we need is the same for the ludicrous pace of the software/hardware developments and innovations. That will come soon as well.... Just as you expect your 5yr old VCR to play it's tapes on your brand new widescreen TV. So will the people demand at one time the same for all the soft/hardware and services / standards etc etc.
Even though the ease of updates is good (up2date, urpmi, apt-get), the real question is why and most importantly, IF those updates are nescessery. If people need support for some new hardware they want to install the driver, not a whole new OS every 6 months.
I hope that the update/upgrade process will be smooth for the people, and i trust it will. But very often you see people complaining about any program/distro (as complaining people are the loudest) that X doesn't work, Y needs a workaround and Z is either completely broken or needs a fix asap. At some point THOSE things need to be taken care of before adding yet another feature. I know all the developers of all the oss software are doing the best they can to give us the best software. But you can only give the best if you take the time to take the worst out.
But it would be great if Fedora will accomplish what is really needed... a barely noticable upgrade- and update process. Not just for fixes but for dot and whole releases of the distro. Because no joe average wants or needs the hassle of losing a day upgrading the whole pc again.
I know distros have come a long way allready. I just wish people (that means the users as well) would be more patient. We all know those people that are shouting... Distro 9.Xrc2 is out but probably next week Desktop 4.0 will come out, will the distro wait for that???
Luckily the answer is still no... And I can't blame the distro's for including the latest and greatest if it is more or less stable : they need to sell and the demand is: give us all beta software. And people don't even consider if they actually need it.
But the IT business is relatively new and I guess it is logic for this revolutionary development of this culture. But there will be a time somewhere soon that it will settle down because it has to survive. Just like everything else. Like the dotcom boom that is over. People were taken of the street to work as IT-consultants or programmers. People that didn't even know what a PC looked like. Most of them get fired now as they were in it for the money, not the thing itself. There is some heavy filtering going on and those that need or want to be programmer
I know. But if the rest of the oss world keeps this unhealthy pace, most of the software will get less quality, which will have it's consequenses for the distros that release less often as well..
:-) It was something I was proud of of using. Also have the CD with Red Hat 3.0.3 and Red Hat 5.0 (the first real boxed set I bought !)
I've just gone back to slackware for the moment. That's the one I started with as well... (Slackware 3.0). I still have that CD
Now it's nothing to be proud of anymore.. I'm a Mandrakeclub member and like mdk very much, but after 6 months I throw away the cd's...
As I said... i'm getting old... haha
The project will produce time-based releases of Fedora Core about 2-3 times a year with a public release schedule.
.0 a .1 and a .2 in 1 year? 3 releases for the core a year sounds rediculous to me. The core is the thing you want to be stable as a rock, not being in beta forever, which is basically what a 3 time release schedule means.
.
So will RedHat release a new product everytime a core gets delivered? Will we see a
The release cycle of linux distros is what will kill them eventually if they don't slow it down. Most of them have 2 releases (not major ones, but new boxed sets anyway) a year. And they all want the users to pay for them. That's only logic, they're running a business. But the linux distro's and the software they deliver seem to be in eternal beta. People always want the latest and greatest I guess. Lots of distro's have close to 0 people running their stable release. The thing 'we' are all so proud of (stability and security) will be going down the drain real soon if we don't start focusing on them again iso getting a filemanager #311 and a desktop #24. Lets first settle down and get everything stable. And then have a look at what needs a change.
If I buy a distro version 9, it has a lifecycle of 6 months, a year at most. Then I do need to upgrade. if you want businesses to adopt your distro or joe average to use it, cut the upgrades down. It looks silly... We are so stable and secure, but you need to upgrade every 6 months to keep up. A business doesn't want to be in an eternal upgrade cycle. Neither does Joe Average. They want to get work done. Not upgrade or do a complete reinstall with the next release just a few weeks after they have their configuration just as they want.
I started using Linux in 1996 because I wanted something different, a new challenge. I loved the "if you don't need the new feature and it is not a security thing, why upgrade program X?" mentality. Now it's just the other way around. My wife is still running Windows 98 SE on the laptop. That was released what.. 5 years ago? Sure... there were upgrades for a lot of things... but did she need to upgrade the OS itsself every 6 months ? No
*sigh*... I'm getting old I guess... nevermind me.... I just want my Linux to be stable, secure, and also all the apps i'm running on it. And preferably without losing all support for it because i'm running a distro that is more than 1 yr old.
Sure, my computer doesn't crash when 1 program does. But the program shouldn't crash. I want that to be fixed, not another feature added. Microsoft won't kill Linux... It's doing just fine on its own.
What if I live in a country that has no such law? And if I develop a P2P system there... And leave it to the users discretion to use it anyway they like. I have an explicit note in the EULA that the user is responsible for not using it in countries in which they require the things mentioned in the article? I bet 90% of the people that are not allowed to use it, would still use it (hey 99 % now is willingly stealing already). Kinda pointless isn't it... That's the internet... Very hard to make rules that hold up internationally.
I just can't wait 30 days for my movie to be downloaded....
e-gold
And other e-currency thingies...
we Fink, Gentoo, & DarwinPorts
I Fink Gentoo & Darwinports as well
What do you Fink ?
"If the appalling mixture of misrepresentation, non sequitur, solecism and faux-naivete does not make your blood boil, you are a cold fish indeed."
I'm still trying to find out what most of these words mean...
Gnome VS KDE
for example
what will always be a beta release
;-)
Ah.. it is OSS
Because when this thing hits 1.0, XP will be the 98 of that period in time. ;-)
the program that alters the test to fit its own capabilities. That is cheating? How more human can it get ? Humanity is constantly adapting it's surroundings to fit its own needs...
Sounds cool... I'm a pc-user, and I use Linux on it... Does this software work then or is it just like the PC-virus thing... They actually mean MS-Windows but they call it PC.
:-) That's one of the big hurdle's to switch... If I switch to a Mac and don't like it, I can't install MS-windows (I CAN install Linux, I know, but usually that's not where people come from) on it.
Another thing... It WOULD be cool to have an import thing for MS-Windows users who are installing Linux on their PC. Don't need new hardware so that's alot cheaper
There is actually some work done by the Mandrake people... You can import the fonts (one of those, 'dmn, Linux is buttugly' features) from your Windows partition.
" ... Writing or calling your Congressman/woman, pointing out that Paypal is acting like a bank, but not operating under formal banking laws. 4) Boycotting Paypal because of these reasons, and the fact that their system is notoriously insecure"
So I'm wondering... why did they have that account there in the first place?
Where do we put a statue for this guy? ;-)
But seriously... If MS fights these patents they show their true intentions you say? Why is that? Maybe they would rather have had those patents themselves? For what purpose ? True... probably the wrong one (wrong in OUR eyes), but maybe to make sure no one misuses THEIR technologie (palladium) ?
Why is no one doubting the intentions of this guy? And maybe if his intentions are good NOW, what if he is granted these patents and realises, maybe not now, but somewhere along the way, what power and possible wealth he could gain with these patents? Maybe at a point that he desperately needs money or whatever, or just because of plain greed.
We always question MS here, but we still need to take a carefull look at the other parties as well ok?
If they were so superb 10 years ago ? Why did you need to buy new ones in the past 2-3 years ? ;-)
The banner above this article about 'Certified OS X Classes' LOL