More specifically, they are there to show how the air is moving across the surface as the tail rotates. If they're doing anything besides lying flat, you've got a problem.
A few years ago, a friend (hi Mike!) took my gf & i to CAE's flight sim shop over the christmas holidays. We got to play on the static sim - used to test graphics and to sell their airport sims to prospective customers. It's a normal enough room with some laptops, except there's a stripped-down cockpit where one wall should be.
We did a few a few TOs & landings at various airports (including a gorgeous 20 km approach in the Alps somewhere) For the last one, he dialed up Kai Tak for us. Absolutely insane. There were landing lights on the apt. buildings, curving through the city. It's true you can see into peoples windows. Anyway, i almost made it; though i'm sure i still never would have corrected enough to put it down properly if i hadn't sheared off several floors of one building.
Very nice pic, btw. I did some googling and found this page with Kai Tak photos. Scroll to the middle for a video to make you giggle insanely. (warning: lots of images and absurd amount of javascript. Here's the link to the video) If you'll be flying anytime soon, i leave it up to you to decide if you want to see this*. Notice, also, the concordes - does anyone know how they handle differently than a 7*7 on approach? I imagine that would have been trickier.
spoiler: * there were never any accidents at Kai Tak.
I could never understand how they settled on "at noon" from "a midi". Midi is also a name for the southern part of France. I tried once (and failed) to find out how long that name has been used. Does anyone know? The codes were found in the late 19th century, but Dagobert II was alive ~650 AD.
Of course, the 'pommes bleu' bit is still pretty strange.
No one said China should 'never advance'. The point being made is that these electric bikes are decidedly not 'greener' than the mechanical ones the country is known for.
This isn't just a swipe at the editors. China has, what? 4 times the population of the US? The large increase in oil imports to that country is partly responsible for the current ~$40/Barrel oil prices (because reserves are tight). Like the US, they also burn *a lot* of coal. Unlike the US, the Chinese economy is raging right now. It is, to a large degree, propping up the economies of many others.
There are about 30 golf courses built, or planned for, in and around Beijing alone. This is the boom many economists and traders have been talking about for years. The rest of Asia, including India, will follow. It'll be interesting, to say the least, how the Chinese deal with all that comes with a bustling commerce.
Think of the shear waste that the 'first world nations' have already generated. Hopefully, the popularity of electric bikes is a sign that the path they take won't be so littered. One can hope.
btw, I don't drive, i cycle. And i'm not typing this on a P4, either.
You must be kidding! So, you've been lucky. If you've had "several" tumbles, you're likely to have several more.
Several years ago i was doored (by a cube van). I managed to brake and swerve enough to mostly miss it but caught my hand and flipped over into traffic. I managed to tuck my head and avoided a coma. The next worry was the screeching of tires swiftly approaching. Aside from a smashed hand, a few aches, and an imprint of my sprocket neatly bruised around my right hip (?!), my head was fine. I resolved then and there that i'd always wear a helmet (i do a lot of traffic).
About 2 years ago, a guy in a van - turning left and looking right - put a quick end to my morning commute. I hit his hood and bounced into the intersection. My helmet was fucked and i was medivaced out. I think the fact i had a helmet is the single thing that allowed me to limp out of the hospital the same day.
Now, i know that it's not going to save my ass in any situation. And i may never need it. 2 weeks after my first accident, a woman was doored on the next street over. She was flung in front of a dump truck and was killed. I don't know if she had a helmet, but nor do i think it would make any difference.
Talk to any neurosurgeon about how little it takes to become a vegetable.
Of course, one shouldnt believe in anything like this...
Sorry - bad attempt at humour. It irks me to no end hearing or reading about "UFO believers". *sigh*
...wouldnt there be more than one lamp in the frame, receding into the distance?
I don't have the image (Fairbanks) on this machine. irc, there was only the one lamp visible in that pic. If you post an email, i can send it later. Or maybe i'll put it up somewhere.
...the dude that appears to be pointing at the thing
Agreed. It's a very cool image and i've always liked that one. It's just that the Fairbanks photo got me to re-evaluate the Chinese one. I have to say it's difficult to tell. It does seem to be a lamp. But it also looks to be too high.
Thanks for that excellent link!
I'm really impressed by Mathew's collection. I'd like to some day try to track down better copies of many of them. It's pretty fascinating stuff. I love the one with Mary, where you can see the dude and his dog looking up at something. The object appears to be metallic. I love the "laser beam" images as well. Of course, it's difficult to know for certain what the painters were trying to represent.
Where did i give you the impression that i'm in denial over this? I'm a keen student of the phenomenon, in fact. I was simply pointing out that one cannot jump to conclusions over any of the images which have been published over the years*. Call me a skeptical believer:-)
* There is a fascinating collection of (pre)historic images here. Note image 6 in the 'pre-1947' section. I was recently cleaning up some scans for a book, 'the Making of an Explorer' by Stuart Jenness. One of the photos, from the Canadian archives, shows a street lamp suspended across a street (~1915 Fairbanks, i think). It reminded me very much of that photo from China.
It's the object part which is the sticky one. Ball lightening 'flies' (okay, i guess plasma can be an object - how about reflections?). If one has an image of 'something' floating in the sky, and one can be reasonably sure the image hasn't been faked, one needs to work out how it might not be an 'object'. You could never prove it conclusively with only a photograph to work with (certainly not anymore) but there have been several images which do appear to show an object in controlled flight. It's just that - with only photos to go by - it's a lot harder to take it further than that.
These Mexican images unfortunately are of the 'glowing balls of light' variety, which doesn't help. Interesting that they might be creating a 'blind spot' through the use of infra-red. The images i've come across in the past which appear to show surface and structure are very interesting, indeed. Are they flying saucers? Who knows?
I agree with your first point. That's an error in logic which sadly many people make - person has opinion; person works for/is a member of/is affiliated with group; group has same opinion.
But I've taken a critical look at what the 'Church' has done in the past and to its motives wrt to the peoples they were trying to convert. Don't forget: they were essentially working for the state. It was all about dominating the locals in order to establish control over an area and its goods.
Any good that has come out of that (feeding, clothing the poor, etc.) is wonderful. Just don't forget what's going on at the top of the pyramid.
Snap out of it. Who is this 'God' you speak of? Seriously, can you not see how ridiculous that is?
Since you're focusing on Christianity (you *do* realize you're in a minority, eh?) let's talk about this 'faith' they spread wherever they went. Historically, the m.o. of the Jesuits was to destroy/conquer any peoples indiginous to a region the current European powers wished to exploit for raw materials. Please - show me one instance where this does not seem to be the case. They professed to be 'saving' them from their ignorant ways by 'teaching' them that they need only have 'faith'. Do you have any idea of the slaughters which took place in the Americas and the Pacific? Those who survived generally had their culture, religion, and language completely destroyed. And the only way to keep from being murdered was to go along with the 'fathers'. Do you have any idea of the scale of abuses perpetrated in the name of 'God'? Of children - the world over - being taken from their homes and forced into indoctrination camps?
And don't get me started on the 'sinner' thing. I know bloody well that i'm not perfect (and i don't hold others to that bar, either) but i try to be righteous and fair. Try to live your life according to the teachings of Jesus, sure - but try, also, to do it on your own. You're being taken for a ride not much better than that of the scientologists.
About the only established religion i can have any respect for today is Buddhism. The rest is all a racket. Human nature, after all.
I second mike3411's sentiment. It really looks like everyone hear thought this was about putting a name to a face, rather than just finding the fucking thing first.
While we're on-topic: any idea of related softwares out there for playing with? I'm more interested in *shape* detecting, esp. that of the environment around the camera. I came across a site awhile back which discussed techniques for finding the vertices of a room, corridor, etc. and deducing the location based on stored maps. I wish i could find it now.
In many places, it's distinctly *not* a good idea to have the locals believe you're a 'spy'. A knee-capping (if you're lucky) will really fuck up your week.
Yes, correct. Though i think you missed the point of grandparent's first sentence - the software is, in fact, for face detection.
I don't what the state of the art is for face recognition is*, but i suspect that the point of the originally mentioned software is as more of front-end to the recognition progs. A 7% false-positive rate for the detection simply means a handing an image of a lamp (or dog, or someone's arse) to the recognition routines. Only then will it compare it to those of known 'terrorists'.
Anyone falsely detained for that is another problem with the system altogether.
* For various reasons, i'm not so very optimistic about the whole thing.
The barber-surgeon's guild was disbanded in the mid-18th century but barbers retained the right to perform surgeries in remote locations well into the 19th in Europe and the Americas. I don't know about the rest of the world. Google "+barber +surgeon"
I think the one i mentioned in my other post was fired from a howitzer, though, and was not the davey crocket. Looks like an RPG with serious attitude. I'm guessing that's one jeep that wasn't used for quick jaunts to the px.
I believe he might have been thinking of the Mitrokhin Archive, collected by Vasili Mitrokhin, who worked in the foreign intelligence archive of the KGB. He eventually defected to the UK (he wasn't an agent and hadn't contacted the west at any time previously) with his trunk of files.
One of the revelations concerned buried stashes of weapons, explosives, radios, etc. supposedly for equipping sleeper cells. Targets included dams, power lines (hit it in a remote, difficult to work in place), pipelines, etc. I keep finding references to some stashes found (through the archive materials) in Austria and, i think, Belgium. Apparently one of the Austrian ones was booby-trapped. If anyone has more specific info about those, i'd be grateful. It doesn't surprise me though - there were several caches unearthed in the 80s or 90s. They were buried by the Americans for use if the Soviets moved west in a hurry.
Here's an interesting doc about the suitcase nukes. That's the text from a Congressional hearing on the subject. Evidently, there may be a few in North America. And General Lebed, who told 60 Minutes and the US Govt that there were some several dozen of them missing, was, unfortunately, killed in a helicopter crash.
Also, there's a shot of one of those atomic shells being howitzered across a valley in Errol Morris' latest, The Fog of War. Very creepy - you see the howitzer fire and, a moment later, *flash* and a mushroom cloud. Quick way to deal with a couple of armored divisions bottlenecking in some german valley, i guess. For the impatient, i think it's in the quicktime trailer.
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More specifically, they are there to show how the air is moving across the surface as the tail rotates. If they're doing anything besides lying flat, you've got a problem.
A few years ago, a friend (hi Mike!) took my gf & i to CAE's flight sim shop over the christmas holidays. We got to play on the static sim - used to test graphics and to sell their airport sims to prospective customers. It's a normal enough room with some laptops, except there's a stripped-down cockpit where one wall should be.
We did a few a few TOs & landings at various airports (including a gorgeous 20 km approach in the Alps somewhere) For the last one, he dialed up Kai Tak for us. Absolutely insane. There were landing lights on the apt. buildings, curving through the city. It's true you can see into peoples windows. Anyway, i almost made it; though i'm sure i still never would have corrected enough to put it down properly if i hadn't sheared off several floors of one building.
Very nice pic, btw. I did some googling and found this page with Kai Tak photos. Scroll to the middle for a video to make you giggle insanely. (warning: lots of images and absurd amount of javascript. Here's the link to the video) If you'll be flying anytime soon, i leave it up to you to decide if you want to see this*. Notice, also, the concordes - does anyone know how they handle differently than a 7*7 on approach? I imagine that would have been trickier.
spoiler: * there were never any accidents at Kai Tak.
I could never understand how they settled on "at noon" from "a midi". Midi is also a name for the southern part of France. I tried once (and failed) to find out how long that name has been used. Does anyone know? The codes were found in the late 19th century, but Dagobert II was alive ~650 AD.
Of course, the 'pommes bleu' bit is still pretty strange.
No one said China should 'never advance'. The point being made is that these electric bikes are decidedly not 'greener' than the mechanical ones the country is known for.
This isn't just a swipe at the editors. China has, what? 4 times the population of the US? The large increase in oil imports to that country is partly responsible for the current ~$40/Barrel oil prices (because reserves are tight). Like the US, they also burn *a lot* of coal. Unlike the US, the Chinese economy is raging right now. It is, to a large degree, propping up the economies of many others.
There are about 30 golf courses built, or planned for, in and around Beijing alone. This is the boom many economists and traders have been talking about for years. The rest of Asia, including India, will follow. It'll be interesting, to say the least, how the Chinese deal with all that comes with a bustling commerce. Think of the shear waste that the 'first world nations' have already generated. Hopefully, the popularity of electric bikes is a sign that the path they take won't be so littered. One can hope.
btw, I don't drive, i cycle. And i'm not typing this on a P4, either.
You must be kidding! So, you've been lucky. If you've had "several" tumbles, you're likely to have several more.
Several years ago i was doored (by a cube van). I managed to brake and swerve enough to mostly miss it but caught my hand and flipped over into traffic. I managed to tuck my head and avoided a coma. The next worry was the screeching of tires swiftly approaching. Aside from a smashed hand, a few aches, and an imprint of my sprocket neatly bruised around my right hip (?!), my head was fine. I resolved then and there that i'd always wear a helmet (i do a lot of traffic).
About 2 years ago, a guy in a van - turning left and looking right - put a quick end to my morning commute. I hit his hood and bounced into the intersection. My helmet was fucked and i was medivaced out. I think the fact i had a helmet is the single thing that allowed me to limp out of the hospital the same day.
Now, i know that it's not going to save my ass in any situation. And i may never need it. 2 weeks after my first accident, a woman was doored on the next street over. She was flung in front of a dump truck and was killed. I don't know if she had a helmet, but nor do i think it would make any difference.
Talk to any neurosurgeon about how little it takes to become a vegetable .
Of course, one shouldnt believe in anything like this...
Sorry - bad attempt at humour. It irks me to no end hearing or reading about "UFO believers". *sigh*
I don't have the image (Fairbanks) on this machine. irc, there was only the one lamp visible in that pic. If you post an email, i can send it later. Or maybe i'll put it up somewhere.
Agreed. It's a very cool image and i've always liked that one. It's just that the Fairbanks photo got me to re-evaluate the Chinese one. I have to say it's difficult to tell. It does seem to be a lamp. But it also looks to be too high.
Thanks for that excellent link!
I'm really impressed by Mathew's collection. I'd like to some day try to track down better copies of many of them. It's pretty fascinating stuff. I love the one with Mary, where you can see the dude and his dog looking up at something. The object appears to be metallic. I love the "laser beam" images as well. Of course, it's difficult to know for certain what the painters were trying to represent.
Keep looking up!
Where did i give you the impression that i'm in denial over this? I'm a keen student of the phenomenon, in fact. I was simply pointing out that one cannot jump to conclusions over any of the images which have been published over the years*. Call me a skeptical believer :-)
* There is a fascinating collection of (pre)historic images here. Note image 6 in the 'pre-1947' section. I was recently cleaning up some scans for a book, 'the Making of an Explorer' by Stuart Jenness. One of the photos, from the Canadian archives, shows a street lamp suspended across a street (~1915 Fairbanks, i think). It reminded me very much of that photo from China.
yes. Look at this one
I suspect that any enemy of theirs would eventually learn to wait for the blue glow from the cockpit to give them away.
Then you obviously have no clue as to what Mr Darwin was going on about.
roger that. Except, in this case, we're talking about the Mexican Air Force. I'm sure they ruled out artillery from one of the other branches.
Makes me think of the Severed Heads tune:
"Today we'll take a look at Jesus - and the letters in his name..."
Can't remember the title. It's from Gigapus.
It's the object part which is the sticky one. Ball lightening 'flies' (okay, i guess plasma can be an object - how about reflections?). If one has an image of 'something' floating in the sky, and one can be reasonably sure the image hasn't been faked, one needs to work out how it might not be an 'object'. You could never prove it conclusively with only a photograph to work with (certainly not anymore) but there have been several images which do appear to show an object in controlled flight. It's just that - with only photos to go by - it's a lot harder to take it further than that.
These Mexican images unfortunately are of the 'glowing balls of light' variety, which doesn't help. Interesting that they might be creating a 'blind spot' through the use of infra-red. The images i've come across in the past which appear to show surface and structure are very interesting, indeed. Are they flying saucers? Who knows?
I agree with your first point. That's an error in logic which sadly many people make - person has opinion; person works for/is a member of/is affiliated with group; group has same opinion.
But I've taken a critical look at what the 'Church' has done in the past and to its motives wrt to the peoples they were trying to convert. Don't forget: they were essentially working for the state. It was all about dominating the locals in order to establish control over an area and its goods.
Any good that has come out of that (feeding, clothing the poor, etc.) is wonderful. Just don't forget what's going on at the top of the pyramid.
Hey, it's an independent - get him! :-)
Snap out of it. Who is this 'God' you speak of? Seriously, can you not see how ridiculous that is?
Since you're focusing on Christianity (you *do* realize you're in a minority, eh?) let's talk about this 'faith' they spread wherever they went. Historically, the m.o. of the Jesuits was to destroy/conquer any peoples indiginous to a region the current European powers wished to exploit for raw materials. Please - show me one instance where this does not seem to be the case. They professed to be 'saving' them from their ignorant ways by 'teaching' them that they need only have 'faith'. Do you have any idea of the slaughters which took place in the Americas and the Pacific? Those who survived generally had their culture, religion, and language completely destroyed. And the only way to keep from being murdered was to go along with the 'fathers'. Do you have any idea of the scale of abuses perpetrated in the name of 'God'? Of children - the world over - being taken from their homes and forced into indoctrination camps?
And don't get me started on the 'sinner' thing. I know bloody well that i'm not perfect (and i don't hold others to that bar, either) but i try to be righteous and fair. Try to live your life according to the teachings of Jesus, sure - but try, also, to do it on your own. You're being taken for a ride not much better than that of the scientologists.
About the only established religion i can have any respect for today is Buddhism. The rest is all a racket. Human nature, after all.
Can you give me a hint?
I second mike3411's sentiment. It really looks like everyone hear thought this was about putting a name to a face, rather than just finding the fucking thing first.
While we're on-topic: any idea of related softwares out there for playing with? I'm more interested in *shape* detecting, esp. that of the environment around the camera. I came across a site awhile back which discussed techniques for finding the vertices of a room, corridor, etc. and deducing the location based on stored maps. I wish i could find it now.
In many places, it's distinctly *not* a good idea to have the locals believe you're a 'spy'. A knee-capping (if you're lucky) will really fuck up your week.
Yes, correct. Though i think you missed the point of grandparent's first sentence - the software is, in fact, for face detection.
I don't what the state of the art is for face recognition is*, but i suspect that the point of the originally mentioned software is as more of front-end to the recognition progs. A 7% false-positive rate for the detection simply means a handing an image of a lamp (or dog, or someone's arse) to the recognition routines. Only then will it compare it to those of known 'terrorists'.
Anyone falsely detained for that is another problem with the system altogether.
* For various reasons, i'm not so very optimistic about the whole thing.
The barber-surgeon's guild was disbanded in the mid-18th century but barbers retained the right to perform surgeries in remote locations well into the 19th in Europe and the Americas. I don't know about the rest of the world. Google "+barber +surgeon"
here.
And here are the links to the videos (mov) themselves (to get around the stupid javascript crap): shot, boom, stuff blowing away, more stuff blowing away, trees
Here's an interesting article about the shot.
here
I think the one i mentioned in my other post was fired from a howitzer, though, and was not the davey crocket. Looks like an RPG with serious attitude. I'm guessing that's one jeep that wasn't used for quick jaunts to the px.
See my reply to your parent.
I believe he might have been thinking of the Mitrokhin Archive, collected by Vasili Mitrokhin, who worked in the foreign intelligence archive of the KGB. He eventually defected to the UK (he wasn't an agent and hadn't contacted the west at any time previously) with his trunk of files.
One of the revelations concerned buried stashes of weapons, explosives, radios, etc. supposedly for equipping sleeper cells. Targets included dams, power lines (hit it in a remote, difficult to work in place), pipelines, etc. I keep finding references to some stashes found (through the archive materials) in Austria and, i think, Belgium. Apparently one of the Austrian ones was booby-trapped. If anyone has more specific info about those, i'd be grateful. It doesn't surprise me though - there were several caches unearthed in the 80s or 90s. They were buried by the Americans for use if the Soviets moved west in a hurry.
Here's an interesting doc about the suitcase nukes. That's the text from a Congressional hearing on the subject. Evidently, there may be a few in North America. And General Lebed, who told 60 Minutes and the US Govt that there were some several dozen of them missing, was, unfortunately, killed in a helicopter crash.
Also, there's a shot of one of those atomic shells being howitzered across a valley in Errol Morris' latest, The Fog of War. Very creepy - you see the howitzer fire and, a moment later, *flash* and a mushroom cloud. Quick way to deal with a couple of armored divisions bottlenecking in some german valley, i guess. For the impatient, i think it's in the quicktime trailer.