I suppose you do know who/what brought up the notion of the witches, together with the "need" to burn them alive? And you also know who excercised this "need"? Right. It's your tender, loving, helping-the-poor religion we are talking about here.
Look, for all I care, you can be religious, I don't even care. I only go berserk when you try to impose that religion of yours on ME or MY kids, using MY tax money I paid so that my kids can learn SCIENCE. I'd say it's perfectly normal for myself to defend me and my lifestyle from rabid attacks from the religous mob, isn't it?
This discussion seems to be a bit of a "cultural clash" between the USA and the Europe. In the most parts of Europe, the law is covering the employees' rights very well. The employer has no rights to listen in on their employee's phone calls nor read their e-mail.
That said, I suppose there is no reason why they couldn't sit and watch what their employees do, but... hey, employers also have their lifes!:-)
Actually, it's quite common for employers to put up with the fact that their employees use a few hours in the morning for fixing their private affairs (luckily, nowadays this gets more and more easy to do completely via the internet), knowing that their employees will, in turn, be ready to work after hours or on week-ends to get the job done.
What exactly are you refering to? I've never had a single stability problem with nVidia drivers, in all the years I've been using them. Granted, I never lived "on the edge", my graphic cards have always been on the low end of the nVidia product portfolio, but nevertheless - their drivers were always a breeze to install (compared to anything else regarding X) and never gave me any serious problems.
Boy, I don't have a problem with different opinions. Actually, it seems it's you, who went off like a petard after reading my post.
You ask whatever happened to "correlation != causation"? Apart from the question if it really is a correlation and not a causation (the jury - outside of the gamers scene - is still out on that one), let me ask you, in turn, whatever happened to the common decency? What happened to the media responsibility? Is it neccessary to implement and market a "game" targeting the lowest of all low parts of the human nature? Taking just ANY risk in order to increase the profit? Is it the only way to get the attention nowadays, or is it just that the script writers can't come with an original story any more which is not so EXTREMELY violent (I'm talking about MH2 here, not GTA)?
I always was a FPS fan. I still enjoy the doom and the quake series. I don't think playing doom and quake makes one a mass murderer. However, MH2 is a stomach-turning product of sick minds and I applaude Sony and Nintendo to refuse to license it for their consoles!
Oh, besides: come back and read this thread once you become a parent yourself. I assure you you'll see it with very different eyes.
Of course they have the right to implement any shit they want! For sure you'll also be able to buy such shit, right next to the shelf with the newest and finest snuff videos and below the shelf with cell phone camera videos of deadly road accidents, so relax!
However, you have to also allow the right to Sony and Nintendo not to license that shit for their consoles, as well as the right of the stores to refuse to sell that shit. And I'm thankful that the stores obviously chose to make use of that right, and I am especially glad and thankful that Sony and Nintendo refused to licence it. Finally some corporate responsibility instead of the usual unrestricted greed - regardless of what the reactions of some low-lifes in the pursue of a murder simulator might be.
As much as the usual media hysteria surrounding FPS games is despiseable, one should always watch out not to fall into the other extreme and cheer for any kind of sick shit companies in search of a quick buck might attempt to throw at the market.
I was responding to the GP, who was trying to deny any media responsibility and to blame all negative in this world to the parents. The number of cars actually stolen due to the GTA games was never a topic of my post. Please try to keep your responses on-topic, if possible.
Besides, the idea behind Manhunt 2 ist just plain out SICK. What's next? First Person Rapist? First Person Child Molester? All under the cover of "freedom of speech"? Will you find such games "funny" and "goofy" too? Will you, one day, also claim, that the number of rapes due to [insert a name] is probably 5, EVER, and that I should stop whining about that?
1. Yes, parents are responsible for their kids (I'm a parent myself). However, even the best and the best raised boy in the world *will*, from time to time, come to completely and utterly idiotic ideas, especially if there are some girls standing around, watching and cheering. You can't just blame it ALL to the parents, you know. Being a parent is challanging enough even without having companies like - in this case - Take Two making it even harder by raising car theft to the "cool" level.
2. If I were the owner of a stolen car, I wouldn't CARE who is to blame - parents of the thief or the company that brought the thief to the idea. You can't just throw away all moral responsibility under the cover of "freedom of speach" (let's be honest here: it's not the freedom of speech Take Two is trying to excercise here, it's the money they are after).
3. "iraq roadside bomb in the news" is such an inappropriate example that I am wondering how in the world can it be that you found somebody to mod you UP for that! If Take Two made a game where the main objective of the game was to place a roadside bomb in order to kill some marines, THAT would be a good example (although in a direction you wouldn't like). And I can very well imagine the (rightfull!) outcry on the/. against such a "game"!
And what/. *really* thinks of "freedom of speech" will become obvious within a few minutes after I press the "Submit" button - I'm ready to bet this will be modded down into oblivion!:-)
It seems I should update my KDE - here are the results of the Konqueror 3.5.2 (kubuntu 6.06.1-LTS):
From the 43 selectors 13 have passed, 0 are buggy and 30 are unsupported (Passed 309 out of 578 tests)
0 buggy, but only 13 passed...:-(
No need to appologize, my friend - it's very easy to mistake a honest question for a smart-ass comment on the internet, it happened to me more then once!:-)
Anyway, thanks!
What FOSS community wants is the same level of service for their money which is also offered to the buyers of systems with Windows installed. Or is money comming from FOSS supporters somehow worth less?
As to your insinuation that the software under Linux would be somehow more error-prone or that the dangers of "driver developers getting up to some mysterious shit" could be higher under Linux than under Windows: from my experience, exactly the opposite is the case! I have NEVER had a single problem with drivers of deteriorating quality under Linux (except for the PWC), which I unfortunately can't say about Windows drivers respectively MS operating systems.
I have supported two friends with their Windows based computers for years before I threw my hands up in disgust and forced them to dual-boot their machines (Windows/Linux) with networking completely turned off under Windows. Guess what? They haven't had a single problem with their computers since that day - Linux for Internet, Windows for games and Office, with a strict policy of DON'T INSTALL ANY SHIT UNDER WINDOWS WHICH I DON'T APPROVE OF IN ADVANCE. A bit over one year now, and counting.
So, thell me again. How is it that we FOSS supporters "want free shit"? If Dell wants my money, they'll have to offer the service, otherwise they won't get it. Simple as that. And just what any Windows user would rightfully demand, too.
Besides, we are talking about HARDWARE SERVICE here, for Christ sake, not about the "help-me-Im-too-stupid-to-set-my-IP-address" type of service!
So you had a rough time gettint the driver to even compile, let alone instal or even (gasp!) work. Then, one day, it just started working.
So far, so good - this is a typical "ATI on Linux" story, but of the happy-ending sort (which are rather rare, from what I saw so far).
What I do not understand is which way do they deserve your compliments for providing such sub-par software? I'd bring the card right back to the shop I bought it, demand my money back, and buy a nVidia! I haven't had a problem with nVidia drivers for years now.
I wasn't criticizing anybody - I really didn't know what he meant with "MP44"; the closest thing I could think of was "Sturmgewehr-44", therefore I asked.
Well, Paris Hilton is also not much worse than he is, but she is generally not viewed as "not wellcome".:-)
No, really. Whether he's a complete knob or not is a question of a perspective and personal oppinion. Whether his travel security measures are overblown or not is easily verified by simply comparing it to what it looks like when other "heads of the state" travel.
Second of all - fucked up traffic, but cell phones OK. Sounds like some "normal" security precautions. No emptied hotels, no helicopters jamming local communication infrastructure. So, what's you point?
Look, I don't approve of any "head of the state" interferring with bussiness of normal people (i.e. the ones paying for his or her life) due to some security measures. As the matters are, I'll have to put up with it, that's the way the world works. However, I am NOT ready to put up with too aggressive/intrusive measures being taken under the cover of "security". What's next? Secret Service storming my flat and keeping my wife, kids and myself on the floor, face down, handcuffs on, for the entire day, because we live in the street where his majesty Mr. Bush might want to drive through?
That politicians are holding themselves for more important than they actually are is not surprising. That so many ordinary people seem to be so happy to swallow their elected officials shit and to even view it as normal, that is frightening.
In the city where I live, we rather frequently have visits of heads of various states - some more, some less important ones. Of course there are security measures in place during such visits. However NONE of them even remotely reached the paranoid security levels experienced during the recent visit of Mr. Bush - including some visits of the previous President of the USA.
As far as I'm concerned, heads of other states are wellcome, I can live with security measures associated with their visits. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, can choose either to stay home, or to reduce the security measures to what other presidents concern to be "good enough".
If he does neither, as I suppose he will, then, at least, we should be awarded the right to mock about that.:-)
Even if your story is true, which I somehow doubt (as another poster pointed out, signal jammers don't cause you to not have the signal at all), it's something else that bothers me more deeply.
See, it's YOUR preseident. As far as I'm concerned, you can do whatever you wish to help keep him alive: turn off the cell-phone network completely, jam all radio signals imaginable, turn off the GPS, glue everybodies eyelids together, so that nobody can aim a sniper at him - I don't care. AS LONG AS YOU DO IT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Sorry for shouting, but I'm somehow afraid otherwise you won't get it.
Traveling to OTHER countries and terrorizing OTHER people - who never elected Mr. Bush, moreover who very probably don't give a flying fuck about him - by forcing the local authorities to turn off the cell phone network respectively block the traffic along the route he is supposed to take, is what bothers me! He's not the first president of the USA to travel abroad, you know, but for reasons of overblown security measures interfering with other people's lives in very unpleasant ways, he's most probably the least wellcome one.
I just hope no locals will have to pay for this little trip of his with their lives because of not being able to dial an emergency number when neccessary.
I'd just like to point out, that Dreamliner is planned to be delivered in one year from now, if I remember correctly, so it's still not quite decided on whether it will be a success (I sure hope for Boeing, they've been waiting for long enough!) or a failure (1 year before delivery A380 also looked quite OK).
Flamebait mod was so laughably predictable that it's not even funny! You guys must really have small dicks if you feel challenged into a flame war by such a benign comment as the above one - especially considdering that I said we BOTH (meaning ALL OF US, the USA and the EU) are in the same shit.
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I suppose you do know who/what brought up the notion of the witches, together with the "need" to burn them alive? And you also know who excercised this "need"? Right. It's your tender, loving, helping-the-poor religion we are talking about here.
Look, for all I care, you can be religious, I don't even care. I only go berserk when you try to impose that religion of yours on ME or MY kids, using MY tax money I paid so that my kids can learn SCIENCE. I'd say it's perfectly normal for myself to defend me and my lifestyle from rabid attacks from the religous mob, isn't it?
This discussion seems to be a bit of a "cultural clash" between the USA and the Europe. In the most parts of Europe, the law is covering the employees' rights very well. The employer has no rights to listen in on their employee's phone calls nor read their e-mail.
:-)
That said, I suppose there is no reason why they couldn't sit and watch what their employees do, but... hey, employers also have their lifes!
Actually, it's quite common for employers to put up with the fact that their employees use a few hours in the morning for fixing their private affairs (luckily, nowadays this gets more and more easy to do completely via the internet), knowing that their employees will, in turn, be ready to work after hours or on week-ends to get the job done.
What exactly are you refering to? I've never had a single stability problem with nVidia drivers, in all the years I've been using them. Granted, I never lived "on the edge", my graphic cards have always been on the low end of the nVidia product portfolio, but nevertheless - their drivers were always a breeze to install (compared to anything else regarding X) and never gave me any serious problems.
Now, I hate to be the first to tell you this, but... yout UID is 6-digit, they framed you on the eBay!
A gather you can't elaborate. I thought so.
Care to elaborate?
OK, you might not agree with me that being a parent is challenging even without media working against you. How does this make me a troll?
Boy, I don't have a problem with different opinions. Actually, it seems it's you, who went off like a petard after reading my post.
You ask whatever happened to "correlation != causation"? Apart from the question if it really is a correlation and not a causation (the jury - outside of the gamers scene - is still out on that one), let me ask you, in turn, whatever happened to the common decency? What happened to the media responsibility? Is it neccessary to implement and market a "game" targeting the lowest of all low parts of the human nature? Taking just ANY risk in order to increase the profit? Is it the only way to get the attention nowadays, or is it just that the script writers can't come with an original story any more which is not so EXTREMELY violent (I'm talking about MH2 here, not GTA)?
I always was a FPS fan. I still enjoy the doom and the quake series. I don't think playing doom and quake makes one a mass murderer. However, MH2 is a stomach-turning product of sick minds and I applaude Sony and Nintendo to refuse to license it for their consoles!
Oh, besides: come back and read this thread once you become a parent yourself. I assure you you'll see it with very different eyes.
Of course they have the right to implement any shit they want! For sure you'll also be able to buy such shit, right next to the shelf with the newest and finest snuff videos and below the shelf with cell phone camera videos of deadly road accidents, so relax!
However, you have to also allow the right to Sony and Nintendo not to license that shit for their consoles, as well as the right of the stores to refuse to sell that shit. And I'm thankful that the stores obviously chose to make use of that right, and I am especially glad and thankful that Sony and Nintendo refused to licence it. Finally some corporate responsibility instead of the usual unrestricted greed - regardless of what the reactions of some low-lifes in the pursue of a murder simulator might be.
As much as the usual media hysteria surrounding FPS games is despiseable, one should always watch out not to fall into the other extreme and cheer for any kind of sick shit companies in search of a quick buck might attempt to throw at the market.
I was responding to the GP, who was trying to deny any media responsibility and to blame all negative in this world to the parents. The number of cars actually stolen due to the GTA games was never a topic of my post. Please try to keep your responses on-topic, if possible.
Besides, the idea behind Manhunt 2 ist just plain out SICK. What's next? First Person Rapist? First Person Child Molester? All under the cover of "freedom of speech"? Will you find such games "funny" and "goofy" too? Will you, one day, also claim, that the number of rapes due to [insert a name] is probably 5, EVER, and that I should stop whining about that?
*Sigh*.
/. against such a "game"!
/. *really* thinks of "freedom of speech" will become obvious within a few minutes after I press the "Submit" button - I'm ready to bet this will be modded down into oblivion! :-)
1. Yes, parents are responsible for their kids (I'm a parent myself). However, even the best and the best raised boy in the world *will*, from time to time, come to completely and utterly idiotic ideas, especially if there are some girls standing around, watching and cheering. You can't just blame it ALL to the parents, you know. Being a parent is challanging enough even without having companies like - in this case - Take Two making it even harder by raising car theft to the "cool" level.
2. If I were the owner of a stolen car, I wouldn't CARE who is to blame - parents of the thief or the company that brought the thief to the idea. You can't just throw away all moral responsibility under the cover of "freedom of speach" (let's be honest here: it's not the freedom of speech Take Two is trying to excercise here, it's the money they are after).
3. "iraq roadside bomb in the news" is such an inappropriate example that I am wondering how in the world can it be that you found somebody to mod you UP for that! If Take Two made a game where the main objective of the game was to place a roadside bomb in order to kill some marines, THAT would be a good example (although in a direction you wouldn't like). And I can very well imagine the (rightfull!) outcry on the
And what
It seems I should update my KDE - here are the results of the Konqueror 3.5.2 (kubuntu 6.06.1-LTS): From the 43 selectors 13 have passed, 0 are buggy and 30 are unsupported (Passed 309 out of 578 tests) 0 buggy, but only 13 passed... :-(
No need to appologize, my friend - it's very easy to mistake a honest question for a smart-ass comment on the internet, it happened to me more then once! :-)
Anyway, thanks!
What FOSS community wants is the same level of service for their money which is also offered to the buyers of systems with Windows installed. Or is money comming from FOSS supporters somehow worth less?
As to your insinuation that the software under Linux would be somehow more error-prone or that the dangers of "driver developers getting up to some mysterious shit" could be higher under Linux than under Windows: from my experience, exactly the opposite is the case! I have NEVER had a single problem with drivers of deteriorating quality under Linux (except for the PWC), which I unfortunately can't say about Windows drivers respectively MS operating systems.
I have supported two friends with their Windows based computers for years before I threw my hands up in disgust and forced them to dual-boot their machines (Windows/Linux) with networking completely turned off under Windows. Guess what? They haven't had a single problem with their computers since that day - Linux for Internet, Windows for games and Office, with a strict policy of DON'T INSTALL ANY SHIT UNDER WINDOWS WHICH I DON'T APPROVE OF IN ADVANCE. A bit over one year now, and counting.
So, thell me again. How is it that we FOSS supporters "want free shit"? If Dell wants my money, they'll have to offer the service, otherwise they won't get it. Simple as that. And just what any Windows user would rightfully demand, too.
Besides, we are talking about HARDWARE SERVICE here, for Christ sake, not about the "help-me-Im-too-stupid-to-set-my-IP-address" type of service!
So you had a rough time gettint the driver to even compile, let alone instal or even (gasp!) work. Then, one day, it just started working.
So far, so good - this is a typical "ATI on Linux" story, but of the happy-ending sort (which are rather rare, from what I saw so far).
What I do not understand is which way do they deserve your compliments for providing such sub-par software? I'd bring the card right back to the shop I bought it, demand my money back, and buy a nVidia! I haven't had a problem with nVidia drivers for years now.
I wasn't criticizing anybody - I really didn't know what he meant with "MP44"; the closest thing I could think of was "Sturmgewehr-44", therefore I asked.
Care to provide the reference to those "other (American) designs" AK "took its inspitation from"?
Sorry, that's not proven to be correct.
Although being rather similar in design, one can not say AK-47 would be a rip-off of Sturmgewehr-44 (I suppose that's what you meant with "MP44").
Even wikipedia.de states your oppinion as merely a theory supported by some, not as a commonly accepted fact.
Well, Paris Hilton is also not much worse than he is, but she is generally not viewed as "not wellcome". :-)
No, really. Whether he's a complete knob or not is a question of a perspective and personal oppinion. Whether his travel security measures are overblown or not is easily verified by simply comparing it to what it looks like when other "heads of the state" travel.
I would have "uninvited" him, but nobody asks me! :-)
First of all, she is not my queen.
Second of all - fucked up traffic, but cell phones OK. Sounds like some "normal" security precautions. No emptied hotels, no helicopters jamming local communication infrastructure. So, what's you point?
Look, I don't approve of any "head of the state" interferring with bussiness of normal people (i.e. the ones paying for his or her life) due to some security measures. As the matters are, I'll have to put up with it, that's the way the world works. However, I am NOT ready to put up with too aggressive/intrusive measures being taken under the cover of "security". What's next? Secret Service storming my flat and keeping my wife, kids and myself on the floor, face down, handcuffs on, for the entire day, because we live in the street where his majesty Mr. Bush might want to drive through?
That politicians are holding themselves for more important than they actually are is not surprising. That so many ordinary people seem to be so happy to swallow their elected officials shit and to even view it as normal, that is frightening.
It's not the security per se that I'm mocking about. It's the overblown paranoid levels of the security requested by Mr. Bush and the Secret Service.
In the city where I live, we rather frequently have visits of heads of various states - some more, some less important ones. Of course there are security measures in place during such visits. However NONE of them even remotely reached the paranoid security levels experienced during the recent visit of Mr. Bush - including some visits of the previous President of the USA.
:-)
As far as I'm concerned, heads of other states are wellcome, I can live with security measures associated with their visits. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, can choose either to stay home, or to reduce the security measures to what other presidents concern to be "good enough".
If he does neither, as I suppose he will, then, at least, we should be awarded the right to mock about that.
Even if your story is true, which I somehow doubt (as another poster pointed out, signal jammers don't cause you to not have the signal at all), it's something else that bothers me more deeply.
See, it's YOUR preseident. As far as I'm concerned, you can do whatever you wish to help keep him alive: turn off the cell-phone network completely, jam all radio signals imaginable, turn off the GPS, glue everybodies eyelids together, so that nobody can aim a sniper at him - I don't care. AS LONG AS YOU DO IT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Sorry for shouting, but I'm somehow afraid otherwise you won't get it.
Traveling to OTHER countries and terrorizing OTHER people - who never elected Mr. Bush, moreover who very probably don't give a flying fuck about him - by forcing the local authorities to turn off the cell phone network respectively block the traffic along the route he is supposed to take, is what bothers me! He's not the first president of the USA to travel abroad, you know, but for reasons of overblown security measures interfering with other people's lives in very unpleasant ways, he's most probably the least wellcome one.
I just hope no locals will have to pay for this little trip of his with their lives because of not being able to dial an emergency number when neccessary.
Nice and leveled reply.
I'd just like to point out, that Dreamliner is planned to be delivered in one year from now, if I remember correctly, so it's still not quite decided on whether it will be a success (I sure hope for Boeing, they've been waiting for long enough!) or a failure (1 year before delivery A380 also looked quite OK).
Flamebait mod was so laughably predictable that it's not even funny! You guys must really have small dicks if you feel challenged into a flame war by such a benign comment as the above one - especially considdering that I said we BOTH (meaning ALL OF US, the USA and the EU) are in the same shit.
Oh well...