I know exactly what your talking about, but I'm sure the line between credit union and Visanet (now named Vital) is encrypted, Vital would _never_ allow plain text over on unencrypted channel. They don't care if it's plaintext as long as it's protected plaintext.
Ahhh, that makes sense. Ok, I see your point now, thank you!! Seriously though, if you comprise a webserver for the bank, you won't need individual account numbers, your in deep enough at that point that you can cause serious damage, although you definitely don't have access to the banks mainframes completely, there's not much stopping you from installing backdoors, and password sniffers... Not to mention the fact that everyone that comes to that website is going to type there password in, and thereby, if you own the server, you own their password, I hope that clears up the points I was trying to make.
You just keep digging your whole, and changing your story. We'll just keep correcting you..
First off, you said if the SERVER was comprimised it wouldn't matter because it is isolated, WRONG. Now your saying if PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS are compromised the entire bank isn't susceptible. Wow, nobel prize stuff. No shit sherlock, if 1 person's account is broken into the whole bank isn't cleared of billions of dollars, guess what, people's accounts are comprimised EVERDAY. Now back to your ORIGINAL statement, if the bank's online webserver was comprimised, that sure would put a lot of accounts at risk, and since that computer IS DEFINITELY connected to there accounts, then, well, you see, your point is mute.
"Shit, this is network security 101."
Your not talking about network security at all. Your talking about best practises. And you said people shouldn't put that sort of thing on the internet, just admit it, you were wrong originally.
"Just call me a nazi so we can end this, you're embarassing yourself."
Your the one who looks dumb. I've set up WAN software for banks before, what exactly is your qualification?? (I've set up server's that will translate TCP/IP to X.25, do you know what that is? A little more complicated then a VPN..).
"Online banking allows you to play with your accounts. If it's hacked it's your data they screw with. The entire bank doesn't become a victim."
That has nothing to do with your original statement. You said they are not connected. Explain properly.
"I use my card online all the time"
Paypal?? Seriously, I know you do, we _all_ do.
"They're called "VPNs". Good luck hacking a properly maintained one anytime soon."
WOW, YOU KNOW WHAT A VPN IS? How impressive.
"I know exactly what I'm speaking about. Go back to sleep."
No you don't, and if I could sleep on the job I would, instead I'll just discredit you on/.
Your statement:
"Why would systems with access to funds be connected directly to the net? No system with that level of risk should ever be connected to the net "
Is completely retarded. That's the point, and you have yet to prove otherwise, knowing what a VPN is doesn't quite make you smart. In fact, quite the opposite, it instead backfired and killed your original statement all with the line "Good luck trying to hack one", that's the point, if it is properly maintained/secured/monitored, why shouldn't it be on the internet..
You really have no idea what your talking about. Insightful like an ass. "Even online banking webservers are 'throughouly' isolated from core banking systems", then how exactly do they update your bank account?? Your one of those bozo's that says "I'll never use my credit card online", ummm, moron, a good 40% of retailers use the INTERNET to connect to the bank, or connect there stores to a central service point. Also, MANY _BANKS_ use the internet for "settlement" purposes, online commerce, etc. Not to mention a number of "private" networks use the internet as a backbone. Not to mention credit bureau's, the BMV (or DMZ depending on your state), etc. etc.. Stop spreading your FUD
sure but only if you tell me your name, and your a hot asian 20 year old female that's 135 lbs, with at least a C cup.
So did your mom help you with that snappy insult or what?
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Shouldn't the real issue here be the rocket blowing up in range of EARTH?? If it blows up on some distant moon that has little to know intelligent life, well, that we should worry about, but if it blows up here, well, why even discuss it?
So your saying the TV out will always be the same end result on paper? I guess it's possible... But yes, the print preview button works for me everytime I have the paper loaded properly.. Now 2 questions for you, 1. Does the print preview fail for you normally and 2. are you female?
FTP over TCP/IP? Hmmmm, silly me, I thought FTP was part of the TCP/IP protocol.. I guess you would call TCP over IP? (say wha?) but you said DSL was a "a datagram-based protocol" I assume that means it's UDP ("User Datagram Protocol")? OHhhhhhHHHhH, you mean it's a "Packet Driven" protocol... ok.. thanks for the free education.. I guess I can throw out my TCP for Dummies book now..
From what I read the only real difference is it comes with "TV Out" to preview the page. I guess they assume that women in general screw up more often, so by viewing the preview on a TV they can see it before they print it. I also assume from this that they must think women are too stoopad to use the "Print Preview" feature in 99% of printing applications..
Luckily only the red ink leaks. It has been known to through all your software on the lawn, change the locks, and sometimes it will load paper in the wrong tray... (ewwww!)
Haha, I can see it now, some chick gets this for her bf, and I'll see it and start making fun of his "female" printer and how couragous he is to own one.
Now if only we could compare the microcode in the printer to some other solid names and see if there coding is up to par. I'd also love to see the comments in the code!
A. Okay, the stealing part was a joke.. You missed the point there..
B. Most camera's are in a "loop" mode. If they don't check soon enough, poof, erased. It's easy to change your facial features.
C. If you hop enough proxies it makes it real hard to trace back. If those proxies are located in countries such as China, getting them to agree to turn there records over can be hard to say the least..
D. It's anonymous if enough people use that computer.
E. Your assuming the MAC can be traced back to you. Your also assuming he keeps logs.
F. That was kind of a joke..
I've said it once, I've said it a million times, an IP Address is _NOT_ tattooed on your forehead. I don't really want to go into this again and again, but the day you can prove that MY FINGERS were typing "THESE LETTERS" is the day we will lose anonmonity. It is _VERY_ hard to tie an IP address to someone, that's why prosecuters normally have other evidence, such as you using your credit card to make an online purchase, THAT can tie your IP address directly to YOU because unless it was cc fraud, that was YOU who made the charge, understand??
Thanks, I think that's the first A I've ever got! haha..
Seriously, I just guessed you were from NY because of your reference to NJ and people tend to talk about what's close to them.. I really didn't do any real detective work..
Now for me, yes I am in Toronto, and I proudly admit it, and I also travel to the states at least twice a month so your over 2 guess was definitely correct.
I _LOVE_ the USA. Perticularly Nevada, California, Florida, New York, PA, the Virgina's (I like the south more.), Texas (mmm, I r beef lover). I _DO NOT_ agree with gov't monitoring to the extent it is today. 2004 = 1984 + 20.
I do not work for a hotel company, never have. I have worked in programming technical support my whole life, everything from retailers PoS devices, to mainframes. I failed accounting miserably, at home, at school, and in life..:) And I don't agree with most management practises, I believe management should be encouraging to employee's and not act like cops. I am not a manager, although when I was 18 I did hold a floor manager position at a refinishing company.. if that counts..
"but I have no reason to violate your privacy"
I guess this means you do. People normally say the opposite of what they mean. I think you'll find I'm quite boring, unfortunately..
"I have also done a rough psychological profile on you, but the results indicate that posting such a profile might cause you to react defensively, "
I may act defensively, yes. But I would love to see it! I love it when people try and read me. Just to let you know, I've been in the "online" community since I was 12 years old. I know how to fool people, I know how to cover my tracks, and I know when to shut my mouth (well most of the time..).
Just curious, do you work for a certain Dollar Store corporate HQ?:)
"I have also found people online are VERY different in real life. "
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a classic example. Most people see me and think I'm a mechanic or something, when I tell them I'm in computers/software they normally do a double take.. I've met many friends online and most are very different people.
You may be able to collect all the info you want, and track all the double logins possible, but I can tell you that's only effective 99% of the time. I presonally believe that I would fall into that "other" 1%.
I would really like to hear your psychological profile on me. If you don't want to do it in public let me know and I'll pass you an email address or something. Thanks!
"That's the problem with Canadian patriotism. The only source of national pride is derived from deriding their neighbors to the south.. "
I would love to attack you for this statement, although I agree with much of everything else you said. This is blatantly racist, and I hope you see this for what it is. Our sense of patriotism is devrived from us beating the USA _AND_ Russia in Hockey.
Since when does it have my email address on my identification? Since when is my IP address branded into my head? This is bullshit, pure and simple. If you want to be anonymous, follow these simple steps:
1. Steal laptop (or buy used if your rich).
2. Walk downtown to the corner of anywhere and anywhere in Toronto.
3. Use wireless network card.
4. Jump on first available network.
5. Can you say "Anonymous" cuz that's what you are.
Or follow these steps:
1. Go to airport, library, public internet cafe.
2. Buy a card from a machine, with _cash_
3. Use anonymous internet.
Or these steps:
1. Direct your computer to access a proxy in China
2. Surf the web in a re-directed state.
Or these:
1. Use your friends computer.
Or these:
1. Use your computer's wireless network card to access your neighbours internet...
That's what they said when calculators, telephones, type-writers, etc. were invented. Maybe once you learn to use them they make sense?! i.e. the big red button on the top of the TV remote looks like it is random, but when you know it's the POWER button it seems to make more sense..
Wouldn't this bill effectively make Windows XP illegal? Not to mention a number of RFC's? I've never given my computer permission to send broadcast packets on my network, yet it appears to be full of them?! What about a PING, I don't give my permission for PING to respond to unsolicited requests, yet it keeps responding! Heck even my Linksys router is illegal..
"(ii) $10,000 for each separate violation of this chapter."
It's funny, the average adaware results I've seen for "moron" computer users is 100-150 removed spyware's. So for _EVERY_ computer that's a $1,000,000 violation (at least!).
Hello children, can you say "class action suit", I know you can!
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I know exactly what your talking about, but I'm sure the line between credit union and Visanet (now named Vital) is encrypted, Vital would _never_ allow plain text over on unencrypted channel. They don't care if it's plaintext as long as it's protected plaintext.
Ahhh, that makes sense. Ok, I see your point now, thank you!! Seriously though, if you comprise a webserver for the bank, you won't need individual account numbers, your in deep enough at that point that you can cause serious damage, although you definitely don't have access to the banks mainframes completely, there's not much stopping you from installing backdoors, and password sniffers... Not to mention the fact that everyone that comes to that website is going to type there password in, and thereby, if you own the server, you own their password, I hope that clears up the points I was trying to make.
You just keep digging your whole, and changing your story. We'll just keep correcting you..
First off, you said if the SERVER was comprimised it wouldn't matter because it is isolated, WRONG. Now your saying if PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS are compromised the entire bank isn't susceptible. Wow, nobel prize stuff. No shit sherlock, if 1 person's account is broken into the whole bank isn't cleared of billions of dollars, guess what, people's accounts are comprimised EVERDAY. Now back to your ORIGINAL statement, if the bank's online webserver was comprimised, that sure would put a lot of accounts at risk, and since that computer IS DEFINITELY connected to there accounts, then, well, you see, your point is mute.
"Shit, this is network security 101."
Your not talking about network security at all. Your talking about best practises. And you said people shouldn't put that sort of thing on the internet, just admit it, you were wrong originally.
"Just call me a nazi so we can end this, you're embarassing yourself."
Your the one who looks dumb. I've set up WAN software for banks before, what exactly is your qualification?? (I've set up server's that will translate TCP/IP to X.25, do you know what that is? A little more complicated then a VPN..).
"Online banking allows you to play with your accounts. If it's hacked it's your data they screw with. The entire bank doesn't become a victim."
/.
That has nothing to do with your original statement. You said they are not connected. Explain properly.
"I use my card online all the time"
Paypal?? Seriously, I know you do, we _all_ do.
"They're called "VPNs". Good luck hacking a properly maintained one anytime soon."
WOW, YOU KNOW WHAT A VPN IS? How impressive.
"I know exactly what I'm speaking about. Go back to sleep."
No you don't, and if I could sleep on the job I would, instead I'll just discredit you on
Your statement:
"Why would systems with access to funds be connected directly to the net? No system with that level of risk should ever be connected to the net "
Is completely retarded. That's the point, and you have yet to prove otherwise, knowing what a VPN is doesn't quite make you smart. In fact, quite the opposite, it instead backfired and killed your original statement all with the line "Good luck trying to hack one", that's the point, if it is properly maintained/secured/monitored, why shouldn't it be on the internet..
You really have no idea what your talking about. Insightful like an ass. "Even online banking webservers are 'throughouly' isolated from core banking systems", then how exactly do they update your bank account?? Your one of those bozo's that says "I'll never use my credit card online", ummm, moron, a good 40% of retailers use the INTERNET to connect to the bank, or connect there stores to a central service point. Also, MANY _BANKS_ use the internet for "settlement" purposes, online commerce, etc. Not to mention a number of "private" networks use the internet as a backbone. Not to mention credit bureau's, the BMV (or DMZ depending on your state), etc. etc.. Stop spreading your FUD
sure but only if you tell me your name, and your a hot asian 20 year old female that's 135 lbs, with at least a C cup.
So did your mom help you with that snappy insult or what?
Shouldn't the real issue here be the rocket blowing up in range of EARTH?? If it blows up on some distant moon that has little to know intelligent life, well, that we should worry about, but if it blows up here, well, why even discuss it?
So your saying the TV out will always be the same end result on paper? I guess it's possible... But yes, the print preview button works for me everytime I have the paper loaded properly.. Now 2 questions for you, 1. Does the print preview fail for you normally and 2. are you female?
FTP over TCP/IP? Hmmmm, silly me, I thought FTP was part of the TCP/IP protocol.. I guess you would call TCP over IP? (say wha?) but you said DSL was a "a datagram-based protocol" I assume that means it's UDP ("User Datagram Protocol")? OHhhhhhHHHhH, you mean it's a "Packet Driven" protocol... ok.. thanks for the free education.. I guess I can throw out my TCP for Dummies book now..
From what I read the only real difference is it comes with "TV Out" to preview the page. I guess they assume that women in general screw up more often, so by viewing the preview on a TV they can see it before they print it. I also assume from this that they must think women are too stoopad to use the "Print Preview" feature in 99% of printing applications..
Luckily only the red ink leaks. It has been known to through all your software on the lawn, change the locks, and sometimes it will load paper in the wrong tray... (ewwww!)
Haha, I can see it now, some chick gets this for her bf, and I'll see it and start making fun of his "female" printer and how couragous he is to own one.
Now if only we could compare the microcode in the printer to some other solid names and see if there coding is up to par. I'd also love to see the comments in the code!
A. Okay, the stealing part was a joke.. You missed the point there..
B. Most camera's are in a "loop" mode. If they don't check soon enough, poof, erased. It's easy to change your facial features.
C. If you hop enough proxies it makes it real hard to trace back. If those proxies are located in countries such as China, getting them to agree to turn there records over can be hard to say the least..
D. It's anonymous if enough people use that computer.
E. Your assuming the MAC can be traced back to you. Your also assuming he keeps logs.
F. That was kind of a joke..
I've said it once, I've said it a million times, an IP Address is _NOT_ tattooed on your forehead. I don't really want to go into this again and again, but the day you can prove that MY FINGERS were typing "THESE LETTERS" is the day we will lose anonmonity. It is _VERY_ hard to tie an IP address to someone, that's why prosecuters normally have other evidence, such as you using your credit card to make an online purchase, THAT can tie your IP address directly to YOU because unless it was cc fraud, that was YOU who made the charge, understand??
Thanks, I think that's the first A I've ever got! haha..
:) And I don't agree with most management practises, I believe management should be encouraging to employee's and not act like cops. I am not a manager, although when I was 18 I did hold a floor manager position at a refinishing company.. if that counts..
:)
Seriously, I just guessed you were from NY because of your reference to NJ and people tend to talk about what's close to them.. I really didn't do any real detective work..
Now for me, yes I am in Toronto, and I proudly admit it, and I also travel to the states at least twice a month so your over 2 guess was definitely correct.
I _LOVE_ the USA. Perticularly Nevada, California, Florida, New York, PA, the Virgina's (I like the south more.), Texas (mmm, I r beef lover). I _DO NOT_ agree with gov't monitoring to the extent it is today. 2004 = 1984 + 20.
I do not work for a hotel company, never have. I have worked in programming technical support my whole life, everything from retailers PoS devices, to mainframes. I failed accounting miserably, at home, at school, and in life..
"but I have no reason to violate your privacy"
I guess this means you do. People normally say the opposite of what they mean. I think you'll find I'm quite boring, unfortunately..
"I have also done a rough psychological profile on you, but the results indicate that posting such a profile might cause you to react defensively, "
I may act defensively, yes. But I would love to see it! I love it when people try and read me. Just to let you know, I've been in the "online" community since I was 12 years old. I know how to fool people, I know how to cover my tracks, and I know when to shut my mouth (well most of the time..).
Just curious, do you work for a certain Dollar Store corporate HQ?
"I have also found people online are VERY different in real life. "
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a classic example. Most people see me and think I'm a mechanic or something, when I tell them I'm in computers/software they normally do a double take.. I've met many friends online and most are very different people.
You may be able to collect all the info you want, and track all the double logins possible, but I can tell you that's only effective 99% of the time. I presonally believe that I would fall into that "other" 1%.
I would really like to hear your psychological profile on me. If you don't want to do it in public let me know and I'll pass you an email address or something. Thanks!
Kind of like the fact it took me all of 30 seconds to figure out your a BSD fan/administrator from NY? Hmmm, wonder how I guessed..
"That's the problem with Canadian patriotism. The only source of national pride is derived from deriding their neighbors to the south..
"
I would love to attack you for this statement, although I agree with much of everything else you said. This is blatantly racist, and I hope you see this for what it is. Our sense of patriotism is devrived from us beating the USA _AND_ Russia in Hockey.
Since when does it have my email address on my identification? Since when is my IP address branded into my head? This is bullshit, pure and simple. If you want to be anonymous, follow these simple steps:
1. Steal laptop (or buy used if your rich).
2. Walk downtown to the corner of anywhere and anywhere in Toronto.
3. Use wireless network card.
4. Jump on first available network.
5. Can you say "Anonymous" cuz that's what you are.
Or follow these steps:
1. Go to airport, library, public internet cafe.
2. Buy a card from a machine, with _cash_
3. Use anonymous internet.
Or these steps:
1. Direct your computer to access a proxy in China
2. Surf the web in a re-directed state.
Or these:
1. Use your friends computer.
Or these:
1. Use your computer's wireless network card to access your neighbours internet...
Or these:
1. Go to work
2. Walk to cubicle behind you
3. Swap the cables with your cubicle and his.
4. Change the computer names.
5. If using static IP's, change the Ip's.
Wow, how difficult.
That's what they said when calculators, telephones, type-writers, etc. were invented. Maybe once you learn to use them they make sense?! i.e. the big red button on the top of the TV remote looks like it is random, but when you know it's the POWER button it seems to make more sense..
Wouldn't this bill effectively make Windows XP illegal? Not to mention a number of RFC's? I've never given my computer permission to send broadcast packets on my network, yet it appears to be full of them?! What about a PING, I don't give my permission for PING to respond to unsolicited requests, yet it keeps responding! Heck even my Linksys router is illegal..
"(ii) $10,000 for each separate violation of this chapter."
It's funny, the average adaware results I've seen for "moron" computer users is 100-150 removed spyware's. So for _EVERY_ computer that's a $1,000,000 violation (at least!).
Hello children, can you say "class action suit", I know you can!
And in other news:
The NRA is against gun control laws.
Anti-abortionist demonstrated at an abortion clinic.
Muslim extremists sent threatening letters.
The stock market is crashing.
And the sky is falling...
What are you talking about? I mean, I don't get spam anymore since the gov't stepped in, so why would this fail?
Sounds like a fantasy to me.. MmmMmMMM, play my trumpet endlessly. I can think of a way for Honda to turn on a profit on this baby!! :)
Wow, imagine all the neat italics and underlining you lost when you opened the documents with the older version of word!!
Thanks man, I get it! It was a dumb error on my part.. As the other poster said I should have thought before I posted..
(Yes I'm not a Linux user, not a windows user either [well..of course I do have some windows machines..], but I consider myself a z/OS user..SNA!!!)