And you call me ignorant. "Muslim country" indicates a Muslim gov't... Saddam Hussain was anything but a devout Muslim. Keep trying!
"I think 97% is enough to qualify as a Muslim country, regardless of whether the government was officially Islamic or not."
Wrong. You see, the majority of Americans are/were Christain(Catholic, whatever), but they are a DEMOCRATIC society/gov't, "NOT RUN BY GOD", a seperation of Church and State, is the popular term. Got that? Back in England, when the Pope had more power than the king, that was a Catholic gov't.
You are somewhat correct, though not completely.. I still of course believe it's Arabic.
As for saying they are ethically Indian, that just depends on when you look at the map. I could say that they are ethically British too, and that would be true, again, depending on what time period you looked at the map.
"Back in the old days, Indian, Pakistan, and Bangladesh were all one country."
True, they were also at one point, just a British colony.. I'm talking about TODAY.
"They partitioned in the Nehru days (I think) into India for the Hindus and Pakistan and Bangladesh for the Muslims."
Well, India is 50% Muslim.. And Pakistan and Bangladesh have high Hindu counts, but let's just take it from a "Who's in control of the gov't" stand point, then I'd agree with you completely..:)
Your assuming too much dude.. Your assuming it's going to try and access your default DNS server, but it could be hardcoded to try any DNS server (i.e. use akadns.yahoo.com for lookups)..
Also, some SMTP's don't even bother to do MX look-ups, they just assume it will be either:
MAIL.[domain].[whatever] or MAIL1.[domain].[wh atever]
And it will be correct 80% of the time. (Yes I picked 80% off the top of my head, but let's just say I've seen enough mail server's to know..)..
What in the crap? Are you to tell me U of Cali actually thinks this is University level material? "Block spam by checking if you've recieved email from sender before"? And the award for MOST BLATANT TECHNOLOGY GOES TO:::!!!
The issue is recieving.. Yes, you can EASILY block outbound, it's inbound that's an issue.
"We prevent the worm's SMTP engine from working by having MX wildcard records to a logging box only for internal DNS -"
Say what? Why wouldn't you just block outbound port 25 from anyone expect YOUR SMTP server's address? If a worm has it's own SMTP engine (many do, yes), then what's to stop it from doing it's own MX look-ups? It would take about 4 extra lines of code to accomplish this.
"I'm hesitant to call Sun any more a friend of Open Source than Microsoft a friend of IBM in the 80s."
Funny, but they actually were, in the early 80's. During the 90's they had the OS war..
"Bottom line: Raymond was off the cuff and out of line. He was (and rightly so) called for it. But I'll wait until I see more "friendship" from Sun before I jump ship."
At least he's stating his position, and it's ON YOUR SIDE. A lot better then Microsoft if you ask me..
U twit, I knew someone would be stupid enough to post something like this..
Okay, "Until AT Times"-> Guess what you twit, the 286 was released in 1984. Nice try, thanks for coming out.
Also, in 1984 IBM introduced "High Density" disks. 1.2 Megs per 5 1/4.:P That macs your 400K disks seem pretty, well, irrelevant.
"The 68K was a hella lot better chip than the 8086"
Actually your wrong, do to the rate of decent, gravity and all, if I dropped both chips from a building, they would hit the ground at exactly the same time. (Faster in what aspect you RETARD?!)
"weaselnuts"
Did you think of that yourself? It's "lame".
How anyone could think that in 1984 a mac had more power then an IBM PC, still amazes me. Guess these are the same people talking all the crap about the G4 now, huh?
Ohhh, Imac's are sooo cool. Look at the pretty colours.
I guess if your 12 yrs old, Mac's do seem pretty cool.. Kinda like wearing your pants around your ankles.
Sometimes, more expensive products are just worth it."
So true, I mean, they even gave you a MOUSE! Could you imagine that? 1984, a MOUSE?! WOW! Forget the fact your mac had ~400K less memory then my XT, was ~2-4 Mhz SLOWER then my PC, and your floppies could only hold a fraction of the data mine did, but hey, the MOUSE makes it all worth while. Not to mention those K-RAD icons.
A wise man once said "You can measure a man's wealth by how much he owe's.".
When Apple started they had very little debt as well, apparently this didn't help much back then. It's really all about marketing, not how much you have saved under the mattress...
Kind of a good thing. I wouldn't want some investment company buying up all the numbers in my area, then I have to pay some crazy fee just to get a phone number.. Or if they did, and I called the wrong number, would they set them up to re-direct the call to telemarketers?!
Yeah I keep my house temp. around 55 degree's F, just so my hard drive is happy.. OHhhh, you meant I should invest in a computer room, what was I thinking!!
Seriously, if you want to keep your hard drive cool, invest $30 in a removeable bay, with a fan built into it..
"There is one aspect of a POS system where you may run into legal barriers in releasing source code and that is direct interfacing with credit/debit card systems (POSpad hardware, Datapac networks and so on)."
That's assuming Debit support. Many retailers don't care. Especially Americans.
"You can legally reverse engineer the comms but in order to use the system on a live network it needs to be approved by the financial institution"
WHY?!
" To be approved requires you to obtain the specs and sample user-acceptance-test scripts prior to development. To obtain (ie. **BORROW** since you must return these on demand and cannot copy them without permission) these materials you must sign an NDA which could possibly close up a portion of your system's code (you'd have to make it modular and do the NVidia-type idea)."
Actually, your somewhat wrong here. The specs are available to anyone, and no, you don't need to sign an NDA. Certification would have to be done by the RETAILER in this case, as you seem to be knowledgeable in the field should know, you can't just certify a piece of code, it has to be done END-TO-END with all hardware/software in place.
"Once development is complete you must perform the U.A.T. under the bank's supervision, and if you score 100% you are granted access to the real system with a proper merchant ID and Terminal ID(s) set up on their mainframes to work with the MAC ID's burned into the firmware of your POSPads and modems."
wrong again. Most banks DO NOT require 100% score, but that's another story. Let's put it this way, I've seen them approve parts (i.e. you can run visa/mc only), and none. MAC ID's are _NOT_ required, and NEVER have been. They require an IP address, but they would provide that. Unless, you are using Datapac, as you said, but that's given to you buy your network provider, and yes, of course you would have to provide the DNA to the bank. As far as POSPads, that only applies IF you accept debit. See above.
"Not a very hack-friendly system. Of course, the NDA may allow the software to be open-source, but if anyone so much as changes one byte and recompiles (such that the checksum of the binary files differ) that party must sign the same NDA and do the entire U.A.T. AGAIN."
True, not very hack friendly, just like a lot of open-source. Again, there is _NO_ NDA for credit auth specs (You can find Vital's [visanet] on the internet.).
Wrong - The bank DOES NOT do a checksum of your code. You do NOT have to re-compile if you change ONE byte of code, unless that code deals directly with there specifications for credit card auth.
"Sooooo....cheap/free/Free POS is a good idea, but integrated credit or debit support would be a PITA"
I agree, debit support would be next to impossible. I don't agree that credit would be difficult.
"Perhaps a bank has a gateway interface for CC auth that is open source but I'm not aware of it."
I'm not aware of a credit interface that's NOT "open source", if by open source you mean, they will give you the specs (obviously they will not release the code that runs on the big iron..).
"That is definitely not the case when interfacing with retail POSpads that I'm aware of."
Agreed. Many retailers in the USA don't take debit, especially the "little guys", and the ones that do can choose to have a "stand alone" device for debit.
Thanks for the insights, it was very good, although some of your facts are wrong..
"Your initial post was complete hogwash, the ramblings of a backwater computer 'technician' who doesn't really know what he's doing"
lmao, because I said you could write to ROM areas? News flash: You can.
"Other people correcting your flow of idiocy is not drivel; it's setting the record straight"
I didn't post back to other people, I stood corrected. Your post was drivel, if it wasn't why did you post AC?
"who might take your drivel at face value and make our lives difficult because of your misinformation."
You have no idea what your talking about.
"Oh, and you can't spell."
Good one.. So what did I spell wrong? Or do you mean I made grammatical errors? Eitherway, ur an idiot. Why don't you post something that includes a hint of intelligence instead of just flaming?
The retail industry is just waiting for someone to put a CHEAP cash register with some major bank (credit card) support in it. The first person to cash in on this will make $$$! The issue is providing support to such some vendors at a price that's reasonable. Is this possible with open-source? Could it be incorporated with Linux to finally provide a cheap POS for small retailers, that they could actually CUSTOMIZE themselves? Time will tell, but most of us know the story of NCR...
With IBM's Superbowl commericals, and them pushing Redhat (somewhat..mostly..):
http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/va_4010.shtml
I'd say Redhat will pick up and start growing fast, and soon! IBM is the big player here, and if they support Redhat, people will listen. More people trust IBM, than Microsoft!
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The starting score was actually a 2, just like this post... 2 - 2 = 0. So how did it get to -1? Something about the rating system and it's broken math.. I don't get it..
As for the ROM/PROM/EPROM, if they are trying to make this ROM technology read/writeable wouldn't that make it EPROM?
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And you call me ignorant. "Muslim country" indicates a Muslim gov't... Saddam Hussain was anything but a devout Muslim. Keep trying!
"I think 97% is enough to qualify as a Muslim country, regardless of whether the government was officially Islamic or not."
Wrong. You see, the majority of Americans are/were Christain(Catholic, whatever), but they are a DEMOCRATIC society/gov't, "NOT RUN BY GOD", a seperation of Church and State, is the popular term. Got that? Back in England, when the Pope had more power than the king, that was a Catholic gov't.
NEXT!
You are somewhat correct, though not completely.. I still of course believe it's Arabic.
:)
As for saying they are ethically Indian, that just depends on when you look at the map. I could say that they are ethically British too, and that would be true, again, depending on what time period you looked at the map.
"Back in the old days, Indian, Pakistan, and Bangladesh were all one country."
True, they were also at one point, just a British colony.. I'm talking about TODAY.
"They partitioned in the Nehru days (I think) into India for the Hindus and Pakistan and Bangladesh for the Muslims."
Well, India is 50% Muslim.. And Pakistan and Bangladesh have high Hindu counts, but let's just take it from a "Who's in control of the gov't" stand point, then I'd agree with you completely..
"Please try to pay attention."
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I'll try..
Your assuming too much dude.. Your assuming it's going to try and access your default DNS server, but it could be hardcoded to try any DNS server (i.e. use akadns.yahoo.com for lookups)..
Also, some SMTP's don't even bother to do MX look-ups, they just assume it will be either:
MAIL.[domain].[whatever]
or
MAIL1.[domain].[w
And it will be correct 80% of the time. (Yes I picked 80% off the top of my head, but let's just say I've seen enough mail server's to know..)..
What in the crap? Are you to tell me U of Cali actually thinks this is University level material? "Block spam by checking if you've recieved email from sender before"? And the award for MOST BLATANT TECHNOLOGY GOES TO:::!!!
The issue is recieving.. Yes, you can EASILY block outbound, it's inbound that's an issue.
"We prevent the worm's SMTP engine from working by having MX wildcard records to a logging box only for internal DNS -"
Say what? Why wouldn't you just block outbound port 25 from anyone expect YOUR SMTP server's address? If a worm has it's own SMTP engine (many do, yes), then what's to stop it from doing it's own MX look-ups? It would take about 4 extra lines of code to accomplish this.
Not really hostile? Wow, bush really does have you fooled. Maybe you need to research the history a little more..
BTW- They _ARE_ Arabic, not to mention Muslim as well.
Do you think Iraq was a Muslim country? News flash- It _wasn't_.
What do you think will happen if some small hostile arabic country actually starts testing nuclear weapons? Oh wait.. Pakisitan.. Right..
"I don't understand why so many people prefer to live in a world without color"
What world exactly are you looking at?!?!
"Do they feel discomfort around the colorful design that stands out so prominently?"
Again, what world exactly are you looking at?!?
"blending with the crowd of the more mundate designs and colors of the PC world? "
Because my computer isn't PINK!?
"Besides, people should judge a Mac beyond the look of the computer."
If they did, there would be a hellva a lot less mac users!
" But remember when IBM was the "bad guy?""
Ummm, no?!
"I'm hesitant to call Sun any more a friend of Open Source than Microsoft a friend of IBM in the 80s."
Funny, but they actually were, in the early 80's. During the 90's they had the OS war..
"Bottom line: Raymond was off the cuff and out of line. He was (and rightly so) called for it. But I'll wait until I see more "friendship" from Sun before I jump ship."
At least he's stating his position, and it's ON YOUR SIDE. A lot better then Microsoft if you ask me..
U twit, I knew someone would be stupid enough to post something like this..
:P That macs your 400K disks seem pretty, well, irrelevant.
Okay, "Until AT Times"-> Guess what you twit, the 286 was released in 1984. Nice try, thanks for coming out.
Also, in 1984 IBM introduced "High Density" disks. 1.2 Megs per 5 1/4.
"The 68K was a hella lot better chip than the 8086"
Actually your wrong, do to the rate of decent, gravity and all, if I dropped both chips from a building, they would hit the ground at exactly the same time. (Faster in what aspect you RETARD?!)
"weaselnuts"
Did you think of that yourself? It's "lame".
How anyone could think that in 1984 a mac had more power then an IBM PC, still amazes me. Guess these are the same people talking all the crap about the G4 now, huh?
Ohhh, Imac's are sooo cool. Look at the pretty colours.
I guess if your 12 yrs old, Mac's do seem pretty cool.. Kinda like wearing your pants around your ankles.
"I paid a premium for my first Mac in 1984.
Sometimes, more expensive products are just worth it."
So true, I mean, they even gave you a MOUSE! Could you imagine that? 1984, a MOUSE?! WOW! Forget the fact your mac had ~400K less memory then my XT, was ~2-4 Mhz SLOWER then my PC, and your floppies could only hold a fraction of the data mine did, but hey, the MOUSE makes it all worth while. Not to mention those K-RAD icons.
A wise man once said "You can measure a man's wealth by how much he owe's.".
When Apple started they had very little debt as well, apparently this didn't help much back then. It's really all about marketing, not how much you have saved under the mattress...
That's a good idea!! Hey CmderTaco, I'll give you $1000USD for the ID 69.
Kind of a good thing. I wouldn't want some investment company buying up all the numbers in my area, then I have to pay some crazy fee just to get a phone number.. Or if they did, and I called the wrong number, would they set them up to re-direct the call to telemarketers?!
Yeah I keep my house temp. around 55 degree's F, just so my hard drive is happy.. OHhhh, you meant I should invest in a computer room, what was I thinking!!
Seriously, if you want to keep your hard drive cool, invest $30 in a removeable bay, with a fan built into it..
Does this mean that, since now, the labels are missing, there will be a crapload of lots soviet cosmonaut's?!
Damn mods, I've never been modded +anything for funny. This was my best attempt. I'm a complete failure. MUST POST SOMETHING FUNNY!
"There is one aspect of a POS system where you may run into legal barriers in releasing source code and that is direct interfacing with credit/debit card systems (POSpad hardware, Datapac networks and so on)."
That's assuming Debit support. Many retailers don't care. Especially Americans.
"You can legally reverse engineer the comms but in order to use the system on a live network it needs to be approved by the financial institution"
WHY?!
" To be approved requires you to obtain the specs and sample user-acceptance-test scripts prior to development. To obtain (ie. **BORROW** since you must return these on demand and cannot copy them without permission) these materials you must sign an NDA which could possibly close up a portion of your system's code (you'd have to make it modular and do the NVidia-type idea)."
Actually, your somewhat wrong here. The specs are available to anyone, and no, you don't need to sign an NDA. Certification would have to be done by the RETAILER in this case, as you seem to be knowledgeable in the field should know, you can't just certify a piece of code, it has to be done END-TO-END with all hardware/software in place.
"Once development is complete you must perform the U.A.T. under the bank's supervision, and if you score 100% you are granted access to the real system with a proper merchant ID and Terminal ID(s) set up on their mainframes to work with the MAC ID's burned into the firmware of your POSPads and modems."
wrong again. Most banks DO NOT require 100% score, but that's another story. Let's put it this way, I've seen them approve parts (i.e. you can run visa/mc only), and none. MAC ID's are _NOT_ required, and NEVER have been. They require an IP address, but they would provide that. Unless, you are using Datapac, as you said, but that's given to you buy your network provider, and yes, of course you would have to provide the DNA to the bank. As far as POSPads, that only applies IF you accept debit. See above.
"Not a very hack-friendly system. Of course, the NDA may allow the software to be open-source, but if anyone so much as changes one byte and recompiles (such that the checksum of the binary files differ) that party must sign the same NDA and do the entire U.A.T. AGAIN."
True, not very hack friendly, just like a lot of open-source. Again, there is _NO_ NDA for credit auth specs (You can find Vital's [visanet] on the internet.).
Wrong - The bank DOES NOT do a checksum of your code. You do NOT have to re-compile if you change ONE byte of code, unless that code deals directly with there specifications for credit card auth.
"Sooooo....cheap/free/Free POS is a good idea, but integrated credit or debit support would be a PITA"
I agree, debit support would be next to impossible. I don't agree that credit would be difficult.
"Perhaps a bank has a gateway interface for CC auth that is open source but I'm not aware of it."
I'm not aware of a credit interface that's NOT "open source", if by open source you mean, they will give you the specs (obviously they will not release the code that runs on the big iron..).
"That is definitely not the case when interfacing with retail POSpads that I'm aware of."
Agreed. Many retailers in the USA don't take debit, especially the "little guys", and the ones that do can choose to have a "stand alone" device for debit.
Thanks for the insights, it was very good, although some of your facts are wrong..
"the International Space Station. From the article, 'Such debris may include fragments of insulation, labels and possibly important components.'"
Anyone else curious why they would put LABELS on the outside of ISS? (THIS SIDE UP!)? I wonder how many UFO's have read them yet..
"Your initial post was complete hogwash, the ramblings of a backwater computer 'technician' who doesn't really know what he's doing"
lmao, because I said you could write to ROM areas? News flash: You can.
"Other people correcting your flow of idiocy is not drivel; it's setting the record straight"
I didn't post back to other people, I stood corrected. Your post was drivel, if it wasn't why did you post AC?
"who might take your drivel at face value and make our lives difficult because of your misinformation."
You have no idea what your talking about.
"Oh, and you can't spell."
Good one.. So what did I spell wrong? Or do you mean I made grammatical errors? Eitherway, ur an idiot. Why don't you post something that includes a hint of intelligence instead of just flaming?
Tell them it will put microsoft out of business.
Might I suggest:
lin-XXX.com
The retail industry is just waiting for someone to put a CHEAP cash register with some major bank (credit card) support in it. The first person to cash in on this will make $$$! The issue is providing support to such some vendors at a price that's reasonable. Is this possible with open-source? Could it be incorporated with Linux to finally provide a cheap POS for small retailers, that they could actually CUSTOMIZE themselves? Time will tell, but most of us know the story of NCR...
btw- POS = Point of Sale.
With IBM's Superbowl commericals, and them pushing Redhat (somewhat..mostly..):
http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/va_4010.shtml
I'd say Redhat will pick up and start growing fast, and soon! IBM is the big player here, and if they support Redhat, people will listen. More people trust IBM, than Microsoft!
Hmmm, had to post on this... :)
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The starting score was actually a 2, just like this post... 2 - 2 = 0. So how did it get to -1? Something about the rating system and it's broken math.. I don't get it..
As for the ROM/PROM/EPROM, if they are trying to make this ROM technology read/writeable wouldn't that make it EPROM?