Once again I respectfully disagree about missing the point. The P2P costs money in terms of bandwidth. There are Fansubbers out there with varying degrees of ethics on the subject. There is a lot of money out there to be made. My opinion is that it is not all free and good. How about if we agree that one could take the high road and sub their own Anime as a hobby to show their friends? But we should also agree that not everyone is taking the high road? Fair enough?
Yes, I believe you are correct that once you enter a distribution agreement with a studio, it would involve licensing. But that cost can be negotiated. It could be prohibitively expensive to distribute top selling titles. But to enter a low volume agreement could be in reach of a group of Fansubbers. Maybe it would support the hobby, maybe it would be a money pit, maybe it would be a cash cow. But that is a business risk, and my opinion is that someone who understands it and loves it should take that risk.
Allowing the underground to operate is already handing over their work for nothing. I fail to see how the studios can count on a profitable market to open up where freely available movies are already present.
I disagree that there is not money being made either by fansubbers exploiting the studios or sellers exploiting the fansubbers. Check out A Guide to buying cheap Anime to see one guy's point of view.
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No, I respectfully disagree. I did not read wrong. It is either deliberately or mistakenly ambiguous. It is not obvious from that sentence that he has bought countless of his DVDs from licensed distributors. Only by giving him the benefit of the doubt can you come to that conclusion.
CmdrTaco by his own admission is a major Anime fan. He has a "hand" in AnimeFu, to say the least, as you might know. Do you think it would be smart to place bets as to the source every one of the Anime features in his collection?
As I stated in a response to a different poster, separating what the fansubbers and sellers do is difficult. Fansubbers are filling a void that regular distributors fill with "screeners". But these copies are supposed to be used promote regular retail distribution. However, they are being distributed to the world at large. And then the sellers come in to capitalize on the market void. There are many people without bandwidth or means and turn to a seller to obtain a copy. And it is not just outfits in Hong Kong, Korea, or Malaysia creating DVDs. There are people in the U.S. doing this too.
And, as I posted in another response, my opinion is that some Fansubbers should form a for-profit corporation and enter into a distribution agreement with Anime studios to become a distributor. And who would not like to be paid to pursue their hobby? They would only have to carry minimal inventories if they ran a catalog store. Couple the online store with a review mag, and see what kind of money there really is in the business.
I understand the hobbyist fansubbers, and appreciate the time and energy they take to create an audience where one might not otherwise exist. I certainly like Anime, ever since realizing that these were animated features in which protagonists could be killed.
But separating what the fansubbers and sellers do is difficult. Fansubbers are filling a void that regular distributors fill with "screeners". But these copies are supposed to be used promote regular retail distribution. However, they are being distributed to the world at large. And then the sellers come in to capitalize on the market void. There are many people without bandwidth or means and turn to a seller to obtain a copy.
As I posted in another response, some Fansubbers should form a corporation and enter into a distribution agreement with Anime studios to become a distributor.
There are redundant threads in this article about this particular statement and what it means: "I've bought countless DVDs based entirely on the work of fansubbers, so I hope that this isn't the beginning of the end. "
My interpretation was that CmdrTaco had purchased the work done by fansubbers. And if that was the case SOMEONE made money. Check out A guide to getting cheap Anime and and then try to explain to me this is not still going on with DVDs. It is not like being out of the days of video tapes is a vast revolution people no longer making copies for profit.
It may be that you have never read a cease and desist letter written by French, Spanish and Russian lawyers. It does not mean they do not exist.;-)
You still pay for fansubs in terms of bandwidth, storage, and burning. You could chalk that up to fan/hobby overhead to obtain movies. Same with the translation and subtitling. It is all a part of the hobby and does not seem to count as a cost. It is still a cost and there must be some price point at which people would actually pay for these movies.
You can have lost sales due to a barrier to entry into a market. In this case the barrier to entry is several factors. Easily accessed available fansubber titles is one problem. Lack of distribution is another. Retail markup combined with currency conversion is another BIG problem. Many titles cost YEN3000-4000 in the Islands (Roughly exchanges for US$30-$40). That can be prohibitively expensive where the typical DVD price point is less than $20. Then add shipping and possible customs duties.
My personal opinion is that the Anime studios should leverage the Fansubbers as U.S. distributors, with a full catalog store instead of P2P downloads lurking in the ether. Surely there must be one or two 'subbers that want to go big time and fill a market void.
If one is a diehard anime fan, like the 'subbers are, then this seems like a great way on the surface to introduce anime titles to a large audience.
Suppose you reverse the situation and take some obscure English Language cartoons and have a Japanese translator 'sub them and distribute them for money in the Japanese Islands.
Obviously the subbers in either situation would have entered the packaging-and-distribution-for-money business, without any payment to the original production company. And, *wink wink*, that's all OK here because the Editor-in-chief is one of the biggest consumers of this type of media.
Wouldn't it make more sense to send some money to the studios and have them produce more cool anime instead of seeing someone else make money purely on the distribution of their work?
...although many programming languages
have features superior to Fortran in various ways, it is by no means obvious
that any language is sufficiently better than Fortran to justify making the
switch. In fact, the ways many things are done in Fortran are now recognized
as being superior to that of many other programming languages. One example
involves the methods used to create and access global data. For a few years,
the Algol/Pascal method involving block structure was considered superior,
but now computer scientists think the Fortran model, particularly with the
Fortran 90 module feature, is better.
Fortran 90 Handbook Complete ANSI / ISO Reference
Jeanne C. Adams, Walter S. Brainerd,
Jeanne T. Martin,
Brian T. Smith,
Jerrold L. Wagener
This is a Tr0ll story on the order of "GPL licensed software saves Tsunami victims." The FA really does not even comment on the merits or problems of Fortran syntax. It could just as well have read How not program Assembly In Any Language....
I have seen better Ruby vs Perl vs Python gripefests....
This was interesting from page 13 of the linked BCS report:
Vision: applications
There are numerous applications of Memories for Life. In the next 5-10 years, we expect that the most progress may be made in systems that help people retrieve and organize their memories. For example,
such a system might help a person find all memories, regardless of type, about his or her holiday in
Germany two years ago; and also help organize these memories by time, location or topic.
Nice for someone who has Alzheimers. Or perhaps it would be nice merely to be able to classify the thousands of digital pictures I have taken with my digital camera over the last five years. I need a full time employee to index these photos into a database or imaging system....
"Todd: The original idea was to make it sort of like IE Hard. The IE in Windows Server 2003 is really unusable for consumers....
I agree with that, as a Windows 2003 server consumer. Although the prevailing wisdom says that browser use from a server should be minimalist at best.
But we were thinking that drastic at first. I can tell you that during the [initial design] phase were definitely thinking as drastic as that."
And that is the problem. It is not so much that Internet Explorer is insecure. It can be made VERY secure. But then it is very difficult to use for Joe Average User. There are tradeoffs all over the world wide web. (example: I want to be able to view these nifty stock quotes, but then my browser is open to exploits). The standards are still evolving and programmers are still adjusting towards the safest yet most robust model for all.
From the Guardian article:
"At this point there is no known solution or ETA"
I RTFA and all I see is a money discussion, not a technical discussion. I would speculate that an SMS or Zenworks push or somthing similar which was supposed to be restriced to the 7 PC's went almost everywhere. It might be a fair bet that the remaining 20,000 might have been upgraded too if those people had been at work and turned on their computers. IT Computer management tools give the department much power, which could do plenty of damage in the wrong hands.
Parent post was interesting enough to do some web research:
Minnesota does indeed have a lemon law on _automobile_ purchases. The MN Attorney General web site had more information on consumer laws. specifically states that '...that there is no three day "cooling-off" law when you buy a car...'
I can find nothing specific about 3 day return for anything, including or excluding software in Minnesota. (Although, Down In The Valley record stores reports that Body Jewelry cannot be returned per MN state law.)
I worked for a software supplier in Minnesota and our policy was that the software was yours as soon as you signed the contractual purchase agreement. Opened or not, we would not take it back. Services performed could always be disputed, but we never ever took back software, even with MN State contracts.
I find that most retail stores have a far more liberal return policy like Best Buy a Minnesota Corporation.
If Sun continues to support it with their engineers, and IBM continues to support Linux with Their engineers, it will still be a battle. I do not look for either side to gain much ground, (netcraft aside.)
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To avoid those nasty RIAA sniffers. He probably is not sharing back. Of course the article is already DOA so I could not say for sure. As long as he is not leaving Madonna or Usher albums on his share directory, he probably has been existing below the radar. Whether or not you believe what he is doing is aboveboard, you have to admire his tenacity. I wonder if he has listened to all 900,000 to see if they all are high quality and they don't have someone shouting "Eat me" dubbed right in the middle of the song.
Good point on the embedded development. And you are right, there are many windows platform developers out there. I think that you are doing a commendable job on the integration of the Wine and React OS.
I am not building embedded systems, I work with VARs and Integrators at large commercial companies and state government to set up applications that run on Windows platforms. So for me, (And this is only my opinion as you know), ReactOS is not ready for prime time yet. I would not be able to convince anyone in my line of business to bring ReactOS (or Ekush) into an environment where the operating system needs to be the least of our problems.
I have been distantly following the ReactOS project and even gave it a short test in a Virtual PC environment. It has a long way to go yet. It also has a tough uphill battle since you could (feasibly) purchase Windows NT and licenses on eBay and outfit yourself with the real deal, minus ongoing support from Microsoft.
So is this a fork in the code? And why would you do such a fork at such an early stage? I cannot see that there is any money to be made from ReactOS or EKush yet.
I have many reviews, but Erik's one one of the better ones. (His review, not the movie itself). I am looking forward to the movie, not just because it looks good and also because the "Sand Dogs" trailer appears with it in the U.S.(That would be the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of The Sith)
In 1966 we were developing color copiers at 3M. Then it was a clunky, slow, 4 color process. The machine failure rate was once every 5 copies. Yet, the results were amazingly good. 38 years later, I still have copies that look as good as anything produced on an inkjet printer. All the copier companies at the time (IBM, Xerox, 3M and everybody else) were already told to "police yourselves carefully" on counterfeiting by the treasury department as the photocopying process was undergoing scrutiny by the government. Yet, an engineer on the project decided to copy a $5 bill just as a joke. He had to be fired that day as an example to others. Tough luck, especially since a Playboy centerfold also served as test material, but the project could have been axed if there was any threat to the stability of our currency. In the end there was no market in 1966 at the price/failure point of these machines. 3M eventually lost the copier business entirely to Xerox. The current HP color printers (non inkjet) would probably be the great-great grandchildren of these original color copiers.
Those projectors do not get used for slide sales demos ALL of the time you know. The response time is a little slow on the LCD screens, but lower the demo screen, set up the speakers and fire away.
"Intel president Paul Otellini said that Intel was building the capability for its 64-bit extensions into Prescott. At the time, he said that Intel wouldn't enable the feature until Microsoft released a 64-bit version of Windows; that operating system is expected later this year. "
Does this mean that we will have disabled and enabled versions? Like the old 486SX and DX (SX I understood was a disabled/failed math co-processor). I suppose like all their other chip lines, each will be labled distinctly with some marketing nomenclature.
Right on the money. How stupid are the Penguin sales and marketing folks to release a book with a domain name as the title, when they did not even own it. The one they own katieT.com should have been the title. It is almost like they had a disconnect between marketing and the art department. (Someone in the art department said "KatieT? It has to be Katie.")
Even the creators of Friends were smart enough to register www.hahanotsomuch.com before it was used as a joke URL in the TV show two seasons ago.
Penguin is trying to make Katie pay for their stupidity.
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Once again I respectfully disagree about missing the point. The P2P costs money in terms of bandwidth. There are Fansubbers out there with varying degrees of ethics on the subject. There is a lot of money out there to be made. My opinion is that it is not all free and good. How about if we agree that one could take the high road and sub their own Anime as a hobby to show their friends? But we should also agree that not everyone is taking the high road? Fair enough?
Yes, I believe you are correct that once you enter a distribution agreement with a studio, it would involve licensing. But that cost can be negotiated. It could be prohibitively expensive to distribute top selling titles. But to enter a low volume agreement could be in reach of a group of Fansubbers. Maybe it would support the hobby, maybe it would be a money pit, maybe it would be a cash cow. But that is a business risk, and my opinion is that someone who understands it and loves it should take that risk.
Allowing the underground to operate is already handing over their work for nothing. I fail to see how the studios can count on a profitable market to open up where freely available movies are already present.
I disagree that there is not money being made either by fansubbers exploiting the studios or sellers exploiting the fansubbers. Check out A Guide to buying cheap Anime to see one guy's point of view.
No, I respectfully disagree. I did not read wrong. It is either deliberately or mistakenly ambiguous. It is not obvious from that sentence that he has bought countless of his DVDs from licensed distributors. Only by giving him the benefit of the doubt can you come to that conclusion.
CmdrTaco by his own admission is a major Anime fan. He has a "hand" in AnimeFu, to say the least, as you might know. Do you think it would be smart to place bets as to the source every one of the Anime features in his collection?
As I stated in a response to a different poster, separating what the fansubbers and sellers do is difficult. Fansubbers are filling a void that regular distributors fill with "screeners". But these copies are supposed to be used promote regular retail distribution. However, they are being distributed to the world at large. And then the sellers come in to capitalize on the market void. There are many people without bandwidth or means and turn to a seller to obtain a copy. And it is not just outfits in Hong Kong, Korea, or Malaysia creating DVDs. There are people in the U.S. doing this too.
And, as I posted in another response, my opinion is that some Fansubbers should form a for-profit corporation and enter into a distribution agreement with Anime studios to become a distributor. And who would not like to be paid to pursue their hobby? They would only have to carry minimal inventories if they ran a catalog store. Couple the online store with a review mag, and see what kind of money there really is in the business.
I understand the hobbyist fansubbers, and appreciate the time and energy they take to create an audience where one might not otherwise exist. I certainly like Anime, ever since realizing that these were animated features in which protagonists could be killed.
But separating what the fansubbers and sellers do is difficult. Fansubbers are filling a void that regular distributors fill with "screeners". But these copies are supposed to be used promote regular retail distribution. However, they are being distributed to the world at large. And then the sellers come in to capitalize on the market void. There are many people without bandwidth or means and turn to a seller to obtain a copy.
As I posted in another response, some Fansubbers should form a corporation and enter into a distribution agreement with Anime studios to become a distributor.
There are redundant threads in this article about this particular statement and what it means: "I've bought countless DVDs based entirely on the work of fansubbers, so I hope that this isn't the beginning of the end. "
;-)
My interpretation was that CmdrTaco had purchased the work done by fansubbers. And if that was the case SOMEONE made money. Check out A guide to getting cheap Anime and and then try to explain to me this is not still going on with DVDs. It is not like being out of the days of video tapes is a vast revolution people no longer making copies for profit.
It may be that you have never read a cease and desist letter written by French, Spanish and Russian lawyers. It does not mean they do not exist.
You still pay for fansubs in terms of bandwidth, storage, and burning. You could chalk that up to fan/hobby overhead to obtain movies. Same with the translation and subtitling. It is all a part of the hobby and does not seem to count as a cost. It is still a cost and there must be some price point at which people would actually pay for these movies.
You can have lost sales due to a barrier to entry into a market. In this case the barrier to entry is several factors. Easily accessed available fansubber titles is one problem. Lack of distribution is another. Retail markup combined with currency conversion is another BIG problem. Many titles cost YEN3000-4000 in the Islands (Roughly exchanges for US$30-$40). That can be prohibitively expensive where the typical DVD price point is less than $20. Then add shipping and possible customs duties.
My personal opinion is that the Anime studios should leverage the Fansubbers as U.S. distributors, with a full catalog store instead of P2P downloads lurking in the ether. Surely there must be one or two 'subbers that want to go big time and fill a market void.
If one is a diehard anime fan, like the 'subbers are, then this seems like a great way on the surface to introduce anime titles to a large audience.
Suppose you reverse the situation and take some obscure English Language cartoons and have a Japanese translator 'sub them and distribute them for money in the Japanese Islands.
Obviously the subbers in either situation would have entered the packaging-and-distribution-for-money business, without any payment to the original production company. And, *wink wink*, that's all OK here because the Editor-in-chief is one of the biggest consumers of this type of media.
Wouldn't it make more sense to send some money to the studios and have them produce more cool anime instead of seeing someone else make money purely on the distribution of their work?
Fortran 90 Handbook Complete ANSI / ISO Reference
Jeanne C. Adams, Walter S. Brainerd, Jeanne T. Martin, Brian T. Smith, Jerrold L. Wagener
This is a Tr0ll story on the order of "GPL licensed software saves Tsunami victims." The FA really does not even comment on the merits or problems of Fortran syntax. It could just as well have read How not program Assembly In Any Language....
I have seen better Ruby vs Perl vs Python gripefests....
This was interesting from page 13 of the linked BCS report:
Vision: applications
There are numerous applications of Memories for Life. In the next 5-10 years, we expect that the most progress may be made in systems that help people retrieve and organize their memories. For example, such a system might help a person find all memories, regardless of type, about his or her holiday in Germany two years ago; and also help organize these memories by time, location or topic.
Nice for someone who has Alzheimers. Or perhaps it would be nice merely to be able to classify the thousands of digital pictures I have taken with my digital camera over the last five years. I need a full time employee to index these photos into a database or imaging system....
Or more simply, don't browse as the administrative user (root).
"Todd: The original idea was to make it sort of like IE Hard. The IE in Windows Server 2003 is really unusable for consumers. ...
I agree with that, as a Windows 2003 server consumer. Although the prevailing wisdom says that browser use from a server should be minimalist at best.
But we were thinking that drastic at first. I can tell you that during the [initial design] phase were definitely thinking as drastic as that."
And that is the problem. It is not so much that Internet Explorer is insecure. It can be made VERY secure. But then it is very difficult to use for Joe Average User. There are tradeoffs all over the world wide web. (example: I want to be able to view these nifty stock quotes, but then my browser is open to exploits). The standards are still evolving and programmers are still adjusting towards the safest yet most robust model for all.
From the Guardian article: "At this point there is no known solution or ETA"
I RTFA and all I see is a money discussion, not a technical discussion. I would speculate that an SMS or Zenworks push or somthing similar which was supposed to be restriced to the 7 PC's went almost everywhere. It might be a fair bet that the remaining 20,000 might have been upgraded too if those people had been at work and turned on their computers. IT Computer management tools give the department much power, which could do plenty of damage in the wrong hands.
Parent post was interesting enough to do some web research:
Minnesota does indeed have a lemon law on _automobile_ purchases. The MN Attorney General web site had more information on consumer laws. specifically states that '...that there is no three day "cooling-off" law when you buy a car...'
The Minnesota law for the three day "cooling off" period applies to In home purchases by door to door salespeople.
I can find nothing specific about 3 day return for anything, including or excluding software in Minnesota. (Although, Down In The Valley record stores reports that Body Jewelry cannot be returned per MN state law.)
I worked for a software supplier in Minnesota and our policy was that the software was yours as soon as you signed the contractual purchase agreement. Opened or not, we would not take it back. Services performed could always be disputed, but we never ever took back software, even with MN State contracts.
I find that most retail stores have a far more liberal return policy like Best Buy a Minnesota Corporation.
If Sun continues to support it with their engineers, and IBM continues to support Linux with Their engineers, it will still be a battle. I do not look for either side to gain much ground, (netcraft aside.)
To avoid those nasty RIAA sniffers. He probably is not sharing back. Of course the article is already DOA so I could not say for sure. As long as he is not leaving Madonna or Usher albums on his share directory, he probably has been existing below the radar. Whether or not you believe what he is doing is aboveboard, you have to admire his tenacity. I wonder if he has listened to all 900,000 to see if they all are high quality and they don't have someone shouting "Eat me" dubbed right in the middle of the song.
Good point on the embedded development. And you are right, there are many windows platform developers out there. I think that you are doing a commendable job on the integration of the Wine and React OS.
I am not building embedded systems, I work with VARs and Integrators at large commercial companies and state government to set up applications that run on Windows platforms. So for me, (And this is only my opinion as you know), ReactOS is not ready for prime time yet. I would not be able to convince anyone in my line of business to bring ReactOS (or Ekush) into an environment where the operating system needs to be the least of our problems.
I have been distantly following the ReactOS project and even gave it a short test in a Virtual PC environment. It has a long way to go yet. It also has a tough uphill battle since you could (feasibly) purchase Windows NT and licenses on eBay and outfit yourself with the real deal, minus ongoing support from Microsoft.
So is this a fork in the code? And why would you do such a fork at such an early stage? I cannot see that there is any money to be made from ReactOS or EKush yet.
I have many reviews, but Erik's one one of the better ones. (His review, not the movie itself). I am looking forward to the movie, not just because it looks good and also because the "Sand Dogs" trailer appears with it in the U.S.(That would be the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of The Sith)
In 1966 we were developing color copiers at 3M. Then it was a clunky, slow, 4 color process. The machine failure rate was once every 5 copies. Yet, the results were amazingly good. 38 years later, I still have copies that look as good as anything produced on an inkjet printer. All the copier companies at the time (IBM, Xerox, 3M and everybody else) were already told to "police yourselves carefully" on counterfeiting by the treasury department as the photocopying process was undergoing scrutiny by the government. Yet, an engineer on the project decided to copy a $5 bill just as a joke. He had to be fired that day as an example to others. Tough luck, especially since a Playboy centerfold also served as test material, but the project could have been axed if there was any threat to the stability of our currency. In the end there was no market in 1966 at the price/failure point of these machines. 3M eventually lost the copier business entirely to Xerox. The current HP color printers (non inkjet) would probably be the great-great grandchildren of these original color copiers.
Sorry to reply to my own post, but the cooling system is in fact water. Here is the proper link.
...when speed is a concern. However I cannot find on the Alienware web site what material is used for cooling.
Those projectors do not get used for slide sales demos ALL of the time you know. The response time is a little slow on the LCD screens, but lower the demo screen, set up the speakers and fire away.
"Intel president Paul Otellini said that Intel was building the capability for its 64-bit extensions into Prescott. At the time, he said that Intel wouldn't enable the feature until Microsoft released a 64-bit version of Windows; that operating system is expected later this year. "
Does this mean that we will have disabled and enabled versions? Like the old 486SX and DX (SX I understood was a disabled/failed math co-processor). I suppose like all their other chip lines, each will be labled distinctly with some marketing nomenclature.
Right on the money. How stupid are the Penguin sales and marketing folks to release a book with a domain name as the title, when they did not even own it. The one they own katieT.com should have been the title. It is almost like they had a disconnect between marketing and the art department. (Someone in the art department said "KatieT? It has to be Katie.")
Even the creators of Friends were smart enough to register www.hahanotsomuch.com before it was used as a joke URL in the TV show two seasons ago.
Penguin is trying to make Katie pay for their stupidity.