If it's documented, then no matter how many superlatives you use, your statement is wrong. If I write a program and release it with documentation available on my web site, would you say that it was "almost completely undocumented " ?
It either is documented or it isn't. And ldd IS. Documentation isn't an expression of quantity.
Maybe that upsets your sense of horror, but considering that the problem (if it is a problem) is only present if you choose to run that code on untrusted executables, and the *documentation* tells you that that might be risky, how much more documentation do you need ?
RTFM !
I would also point out that MS does not really pay taxes. This is just another expense that gets passed to the consumer.
Idiot.
MS - lets put our tax burden onto the price Customer - Oh the cost has gone up. MS -oh, now we are paying more tax because the product costs more, let's put the burden on the consumer. Customer - Oh prices have gone up again. MS -oh our taxes have gone up again, let's put it on the consumer. Customer - oh, the prices have gone up again. MS - every time we put the price up to pay for taxes, we get taxed more - my brain hurts. Maybe if we understood how taxes worked...
Of course you are ignoring the fact that everybody and all their kids are using the net at weekends and evenings. Of course it will slow down. It is not an unlimited internet. I have an up to 24 mbit connection and I can only ever get up to 11 mbit because of the distance from the exchange. However, I can still download from certain sites at over 1 MBps, even at the weekend or in the evening. So I'm maxing out my connection while you're struggling. Maybe you're visiting the sites at the same time as 20 million others. How quick a site is, is no reflection on your isp. Even with several gigabit cards in a server, there is still a limit as to how many connections it can service at once (125 connections max at 1 MB/s each per card - more connections = less bandwidth per connection) Some popular sites are getting 100s of thousands of hits an hour ! How much do I pay ? About £15 per month, no caps, and a fixed IP address with no port blocking.
Maybe if an effort were made to explode the popular myth that an "up to X mbit" line means anything more than your speed to the isps network, ie. not your connection speed to a server in the US or Australia, we wouldn't see so much moaning from idiots.
Are you intentionally stupid ? You just said 12 pounds of grain to make 1 pound of meat. How much do you weigh ? Are you composed of meat ? How then do you multiply the food supply 12 fold ?
Do you buy your pets food ? Well that's time spent working for something that could have been spent working on something else. Does your pets food come in containers ? Well those are things that only exist for the purpose of feeding pets. Do you carry pet food in your car ? Well that decreases your mileage. How many advertising executives are wasting time designing flashy labels and tv ads simply for the purpose of pet owners. How many fish owners have tanks running with heaters 24/7/365. How many pets do nothing except sit around at home waiting for their owner to come home from work. They provide nothing of economic value (from the owners perspective) except to the producers of animal feed.
Of course pets cost money and are generally not green, where green is the reduction of all unnecessary energy consumption. If you want to spend money and time solely to feed an animal with no return other than "lurve" then go right ahead, but don't try to pretend it has no impact. Imagine you have a dog (if you don't already - if you do imagine you have two) now put aside that money every week for food, transportation, vets bills etc and see how it adds up. Is that a reasonable expenditure for something that isn't essential to your existence ? How long can people keep animals merely as pets when they provide no return for a large outlay.
Humans and dogs originally got together because there was a mutual benefit. That benefit hasn't existed for a very long time. Dogs are largely free-loading these days. You may as well have an Aibo, they're cheaper to buy and cost less to run.
Well that's funny, because on my WM5 phone, when I connect the network symbol changes from just bars to a 3g symbol, and when I am in a high speed area the symbol changes to an H. And the browser still shows locating, connecting, transferring data, just like a desktop browser. What else do I need to know - if things seem to be taking too long, I simply disconnect the network (touch the network symbol > click disconnect) then reload the page and try again. Hardly difficult. What annoys me are the apps that assume that if there is no network activity, they can just complain and shut down - Google Maps, I'm looking at you.
My HTC charger comes with several separate pin configurations in the box. I just attach the correct one to the charger and off I go. Welcome to the 21st century. I don't need a different charger and I don't need to buy a travel adaptor.
I wouldn't stand within a kilometre of this test. What if the helicopter has to ditch the cable in an emergency ? 1km of cable with attached crawler falling on your head would not be pretty.
Offtopic but interesting to me was an ad on the tv last night for a new laptop with windows 7 on it. Apparently the next big thing is being able to tile windows vertically. They called it "snap" or something stupid. Is this what we can expect from a new operating system ? A new name for an old concept that works quite well on every windows OS since 3.1 ? Maybe they should advertise "minimise" as a new way to rapidly expose your desktop - they could call it expose - no wait...
This whole topic seems to be slanted towards capitalism being the only true way to enlightenment. I disagree. What people here are arguing for is the right to become a wage slave for some huge corporation, probably located overseas. Why ?
You can't have any of the modern "conveniences" without paying somebody else for the privilege. Online banking ? That assumes that a central banking organisation is a good thing. I disagree, they are all corrupt in one way or another, and lead to the publics wealth being funnelled into private hands. Good transport links ? So you have to pay taxes to support a government who pay private companies to produce roads so that you can buy cars from private companies and buy oil and gas from private companies to power those cars which you never needed in the past. Why would a rural farmer need to transport produce further afield ? To make more profit ? Why ? Because it's being forced upon him. If he's happy growing enough food for the local people and gets a good return on that, it is pure greed to try and make more. Rich != happy.
But of course this is a US site so I'll be called a troll, modded flamebait and otherwise argued into the ground by people who believe that the debating system you practised at school is actually a legitimate way of discussing things. It's not. You have to step away from the ideology and work from the ground up. I hate having to work. I am prepared to do it to get what I need, but to be forced to take part just to enable a third party to get even richer is not part of the deal. Broadband for developing nations ? Listen to yourselves. Maybe you think that because you have to do it, so should everybody else. Hardly freedom is it ?
You might argue that we need services like police to keep some kind of order, and that has to be paid for. Yes, we do need policing, but surely the cost of providing the police should be met by those who commit crime ? Unless you follow that method, you end up with the situation we are seeing now, where police are becoming more about prevention than cure, and because they're so entrenched, they become the executors of government will instead of our servants. If all criminals had to pay for their deeds instead of being fed, educated and watered at public expense, maybe there would be less criminals. Ideally the police force would gradually dwindle and become a part of history. Instead, they are growing, and not because of a rise in crime, just because of a rise in criminal statutes. And what causes that rise ? We do, by demanding the government DO SOMETHING about every little nitpick that affects our perceived profit making ability.
Money isn't evil, the love of money is, and capitalism is the love of money for its own sake. You have to accumulate more of it or you aren't a good little capitalist. That is wrong. And to commercially impose the same set of twisted rules on developing countries is wrong. The US is supposed to stand for freedom, but instead it's imposing their definition of freedom on other countries. And contrary to popular belief, the US way is not the best so far. It's not even the best at the moment. People like Mugabe are the ultimate capitalists. They want it all for themselves and fuck everybody else. Is that a good economic model ? Most billionaires will claim that they don't do it for the money, it's all about "keeping score" they say. Unfortunately, that implies that the higher the score the better you are. So it is definitively about accumulation of as much money as you can get. Are we all doomed to become ferengi whether we like it or not ?
Why would a movement whose whole ideal is non-interference with personal choice, be bothered to attack anything ? If I want to use free software, it's my business. You can't be a true libertarian and forcibly restrict other peoples choices. My using free software places no obligation on anybody else, so really I'm more of a libertarian in that respect than the libertarians ! They seem to believe you can only be free if you agree to pay for it. Freedom surely means not having to pay if you don't want to - at least that's the argument when it comes to healthcare and other aspects of government.
If it was done with Microsofts help, they probably shut down the wrong sites anyway. I just tried to update WMP on my laptop, a venerable sony vaio that has a hidden partition with the OS reinstall files on. I have never installed another OS, and only reinstalled from that partition once in 10 years. It is patched up to date and not infected but I can't get WMP11 because it failed Windows Validation. A genuine untampered with install fails windows validation. But sure, they can "detect" illegal activity on so many things.
He who knows not; and knows not that he knows not
is a fool, shun him.
He who knows not; and knows that he knows not
is a child, teach him.
He who knows; and knows not that he knows
is asleep, wake him.
He who knows; and know that he knows
is wise, follow him.
- Persian proverb
try flying a Space Shuttle in "wrong" orientation to the airflow...oh wait, both Challenger and Columbia did it, and look how it ended (in both cases the immediate cause of orbiter disintegration were aerodynamic forces))
Way to twist the facts. The external tank weighs nearly 1,600,000 pounds at lift off, and that's just the weight of fuel. It's hardly *aerodynamic forces* that blew the fuck out of the shuttle. and Columbias problem wasn't aerodynamic forces either, as it was in a proper attitude until the fucking wing melted from the inside and fell off. I suppose only having one wing counts as an aerodynamic failure, but it wasn't the primary cause.
Heh, there are approximately 19,000 bits of junk *larger* than 10cm in orbit at present, with most of that being in LEO. I don't see all that "burning up" all that quickly.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=40173 I don't think they can track things smaller than 10cm (about 4 inches). Even something 1 inch across is going to hurt when travelling at 17,000 mph. This is already a massive problem despite the vast scale of space.
What has the US price got to do with it ? The US price is the US price including their profit. It's not like they have to buy any more copies to sell in the EU. So you're suggesting they are making profit on their US profit ? Sales tax in the US is VAT in the EU. Wouldn't surprise me if they just added more on for the hell of it. Shame it'll sink without trace.
Plus you don't pay vat on second hand goods so if you're reselling you shouldn't be charging it.
No they're not treated as books. Do you regularly make pronouncements on things you obviously know nothing about ? And the previous poster was talking shit too. VAT is currently 15% across most of Europe. And Amazon have decided to use AT&Ts global roaming network to provide the data link to Kindles. Why use a US based company with extortionate rates and peering costs when there are cheaper options already in place in the EU ? Total fail.
Oh I wish I could come home and have a bit of piece and quiet. Unfortunately, the guy upstairs has a very small washing machine which means he uses it virtually every night. Being right above me it shakes the hell out of my ceiling when it spins, and even the noise as it gently turns comes through loudly. I go to a launderette instead and get 2 weeks worth done in just over an hour. He spends money on electricity every day and pisses me off, and has to do some more the next day. Idiot.
I'm trying to compose a craigslist entry right now.
See "forward slash" for another stupid term. It's because people tend towards being idiots, and there are way more idiots than not. I know otherwise well educated people who think that HHGTTG was a book before it was a radio play. Just because they came along too late and missed it. But because they missed it the world has to change to suit them. See also Americans who think the car and railway engines were invented in the US. My computing course is trying to tell me that when a flame war starts on the net, it's called a "flare". WTF ? I've been on the net 15 years and never heard that term. But new students are supposed to take that as gospel. Chinese whispers.
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If it's documented, then no matter how many superlatives you use, your statement is wrong. If I write a program and release it with documentation available on my web site, would you say that it was "almost completely undocumented " ?
It either is documented or it isn't. And ldd IS. Documentation isn't an expression of quantity.
Maybe that upsets your sense of horror, but considering that the problem (if it is a problem) is only present if you choose to run that code on untrusted executables, and the *documentation* tells you that that might be risky, how much more documentation do you need ?
RTFM !
Not true. In fact if you had ever been there, you would have seen the lump they have in the lobby of the information centre.
Idiot.
...
MS - lets put our tax burden onto the price
Customer - Oh the cost has gone up.
MS -oh, now we are paying more tax because the product costs more, let's put the burden on the consumer.
Customer - Oh prices have gone up again.
MS -oh our taxes have gone up again, let's put it on the consumer.
Customer - oh, the prices have gone up again.
MS - every time we put the price up to pay for taxes, we get taxed more - my brain hurts. Maybe if we understood how taxes worked
Of course you are ignoring the fact that everybody and all their kids are using the net at weekends and evenings. Of course it will slow down. It is not an unlimited internet. I have an up to 24 mbit connection and I can only ever get up to 11 mbit because of the distance from the exchange. However, I can still download from certain sites at over 1 MBps, even at the weekend or in the evening. So I'm maxing out my connection while you're struggling. Maybe you're visiting the sites at the same time as 20 million others. How quick a site is, is no reflection on your isp. Even with several gigabit cards in a server, there is still a limit as to how many connections it can service at once (125 connections max at 1 MB/s each per card - more connections = less bandwidth per connection) Some popular sites are getting 100s of thousands of hits an hour ! How much do I pay ? About £15 per month, no caps, and a fixed IP address with no port blocking.
Maybe if an effort were made to explode the popular myth that an "up to X mbit" line means anything more than your speed to the isps network, ie. not your connection speed to a server in the US or Australia, we wouldn't see so much moaning from idiots.
Are you intentionally stupid ? You just said 12 pounds of grain to make 1 pound of meat. How much do you weigh ? Are you composed of meat ? How then do you multiply the food supply 12 fold ?
Do you buy your pets food ? Well that's time spent working for something that could have been spent working on something else. Does your pets food come in containers ? Well those are things that only exist for the purpose of feeding pets. Do you carry pet food in your car ? Well that decreases your mileage. How many advertising executives are wasting time designing flashy labels and tv ads simply for the purpose of pet owners. How many fish owners have tanks running with heaters 24/7/365. How many pets do nothing except sit around at home waiting for their owner to come home from work. They provide nothing of economic value (from the owners perspective) except to the producers of animal feed.
Of course pets cost money and are generally not green, where green is the reduction of all unnecessary energy consumption. If you want to spend money and time solely to feed an animal with no return other than "lurve" then go right ahead, but don't try to pretend it has no impact. Imagine you have a dog (if you don't already - if you do imagine you have two) now put aside that money every week for food, transportation, vets bills etc and see how it adds up. Is that a reasonable expenditure for something that isn't essential to your existence ? How long can people keep animals merely as pets when they provide no return for a large outlay.
Humans and dogs originally got together because there was a mutual benefit. That benefit hasn't existed for a very long time. Dogs are largely free-loading these days. You may as well have an Aibo, they're cheaper to buy and cost less to run.
Well that's funny, because on my WM5 phone, when I connect the network symbol changes from just bars to a 3g symbol, and when I am in a high speed area the symbol changes to an H. And the browser still shows locating, connecting, transferring data, just like a desktop browser. What else do I need to know - if things seem to be taking too long, I simply disconnect the network (touch the network symbol > click disconnect) then reload the page and try again. Hardly difficult. What annoys me are the apps that assume that if there is no network activity, they can just complain and shut down - Google Maps, I'm looking at you.
PLO, IRA and ETA ?
My HTC charger comes with several separate pin configurations in the box. I just attach the correct one to the charger and off I go. Welcome to the 21st century. I don't need a different charger and I don't need to buy a travel adaptor.
I wouldn't stand within a kilometre of this test. What if the helicopter has to ditch the cable in an emergency ? 1km of cable with attached crawler falling on your head would not be pretty.
Offtopic but interesting to me was an ad on the tv last night for a new laptop with windows 7 on it. Apparently the next big thing is being able to tile windows vertically. They called it "snap" or something stupid. Is this what we can expect from a new operating system ? A new name for an old concept that works quite well on every windows OS since 3.1 ? Maybe they should advertise "minimise" as a new way to rapidly expose your desktop - they could call it expose - no wait...
This whole topic seems to be slanted towards capitalism being the only true way to enlightenment. I disagree. What people here are arguing for is the right to become a wage slave for some huge corporation, probably located overseas. Why ?
You can't have any of the modern "conveniences" without paying somebody else for the privilege. Online banking ? That assumes that a central banking organisation is a good thing. I disagree, they are all corrupt in one way or another, and lead to the publics wealth being funnelled into private hands. Good transport links ? So you have to pay taxes to support a government who pay private companies to produce roads so that you can buy cars from private companies and buy oil and gas from private companies to power those cars which you never needed in the past. Why would a rural farmer need to transport produce further afield ? To make more profit ? Why ? Because it's being forced upon him. If he's happy growing enough food for the local people and gets a good return on that, it is pure greed to try and make more. Rich != happy.
But of course this is a US site so I'll be called a troll, modded flamebait and otherwise argued into the ground by people who believe that the debating system you practised at school is actually a legitimate way of discussing things. It's not. You have to step away from the ideology and work from the ground up. I hate having to work. I am prepared to do it to get what I need, but to be forced to take part just to enable a third party to get even richer is not part of the deal. Broadband for developing nations ? Listen to yourselves. Maybe you think that because you have to do it, so should everybody else. Hardly freedom is it ?
You might argue that we need services like police to keep some kind of order, and that has to be paid for. Yes, we do need policing, but surely the cost of providing the police should be met by those who commit crime ? Unless you follow that method, you end up with the situation we are seeing now, where police are becoming more about prevention than cure, and because they're so entrenched, they become the executors of government will instead of our servants. If all criminals had to pay for their deeds instead of being fed, educated and watered at public expense, maybe there would be less criminals. Ideally the police force would gradually dwindle and become a part of history. Instead, they are growing, and not because of a rise in crime, just because of a rise in criminal statutes. And what causes that rise ? We do, by demanding the government DO SOMETHING about every little nitpick that affects our perceived profit making ability.
Money isn't evil, the love of money is, and capitalism is the love of money for its own sake. You have to accumulate more of it or you aren't a good little capitalist. That is wrong. And to commercially impose the same set of twisted rules on developing countries is wrong. The US is supposed to stand for freedom, but instead it's imposing their definition of freedom on other countries. And contrary to popular belief, the US way is not the best so far. It's not even the best at the moment. People like Mugabe are the ultimate capitalists. They want it all for themselves and fuck everybody else. Is that a good economic model ? Most billionaires will claim that they don't do it for the money, it's all about "keeping score" they say. Unfortunately, that implies that the higher the score the better you are. So it is definitively about accumulation of as much money as you can get. Are we all doomed to become ferengi whether we like it or not ?
Why would a movement whose whole ideal is non-interference with personal choice, be bothered to attack anything ? If I want to use free software, it's my business. You can't be a true libertarian and forcibly restrict other peoples choices. My using free software places no obligation on anybody else, so really I'm more of a libertarian in that respect than the libertarians ! They seem to believe you can only be free if you agree to pay for it. Freedom surely means not having to pay if you don't want to - at least that's the argument when it comes to healthcare and other aspects of government.
This whole article is flamebait.
If it was done with Microsofts help, they probably shut down the wrong sites anyway. I just tried to update WMP on my laptop, a venerable sony vaio that has a hidden partition with the OS reinstall files on. I have never installed another OS, and only reinstalled from that partition once in 10 years. It is patched up to date and not infected but I can't get WMP11 because it failed Windows Validation. A genuine untampered with install fails windows validation. But sure, they can "detect" illegal activity on so many things.
He who knows not; and knows not that he knows not
is a fool, shun him.
He who knows not; and knows that he knows not
is a child, teach him.
He who knows; and knows not that he knows
is asleep, wake him.
He who knows; and know that he knows
is wise, follow him.
- Persian proverb
Way to twist the facts. The external tank weighs nearly 1,600,000 pounds at lift off, and that's just the weight of fuel. It's hardly *aerodynamic forces* that blew the fuck out of the shuttle. and Columbias problem wasn't aerodynamic forces either, as it was in a proper attitude until the fucking wing melted from the inside and fell off. I suppose only having one wing counts as an aerodynamic failure, but it wasn't the primary cause.
Heh, there are approximately 19,000 bits of junk *larger* than 10cm in orbit at present, with most of that being in LEO. I don't see all that "burning up" all that quickly.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=40173
I don't think they can track things smaller than 10cm (about 4 inches). Even something 1 inch across is going to hurt when travelling at 17,000 mph. This is already a massive problem despite the vast scale of space.
corporate cocksucker.
What has the US price got to do with it ? The US price is the US price including their profit. It's not like they have to buy any more copies to sell in the EU. So you're suggesting they are making profit on their US profit ? Sales tax in the US is VAT in the EU. Wouldn't surprise me if they just added more on for the hell of it. Shame it'll sink without trace.
Plus you don't pay vat on second hand goods so if you're reselling you shouldn't be charging it.
No they're not treated as books. Do you regularly make pronouncements on things you obviously know nothing about ? And the previous poster was talking shit too. VAT is currently 15% across most of Europe. And Amazon have decided to use AT&Ts global roaming network to provide the data link to Kindles. Why use a US based company with extortionate rates and peering costs when there are cheaper options already in place in the EU ? Total fail.
Oh I wish I could come home and have a bit of piece and quiet. Unfortunately, the guy upstairs has a very small washing machine which means he uses it virtually every night. Being right above me it shakes the hell out of my ceiling when it spins, and even the noise as it gently turns comes through loudly. I go to a launderette instead and get 2 weeks worth done in just over an hour. He spends money on electricity every day and pisses me off, and has to do some more the next day. Idiot.
I'm trying to compose a craigslist entry right now.
A licence doesn't test anything. A driving test does. One of these things comes before the other.
NO SUCH THING !
Parking brake or service brake. That's all there is. Unless you have an anchor.
And lie in bed while the sun shines at midnight. Yeah right.
See "forward slash" for another stupid term. It's because people tend towards being idiots, and there are way more idiots than not. I know otherwise well educated people who think that HHGTTG was a book before it was a radio play. Just because they came along too late and missed it. But because they missed it the world has to change to suit them. See also Americans who think the car and railway engines were invented in the US. My computing course is trying to tell me that when a flame war starts on the net, it's called a "flare". WTF ? I've been on the net 15 years and never heard that term. But new students are supposed to take that as gospel. Chinese whispers.