And I'll answer your question: that premise usually excludes huge monetary awards. If you go after the person directly responsible for $CRIME, you only get what money and assets that person has, which is often very little, BUT, go after a corporation loosely connected to the $CRIME and now you're talking big bucks, so lawyers try to find any way possible--no matter how ludicrous--to find that corporation guilty, because now they can get big payoffs. So now we have a legal culture of blaming corporations for things their customers do with their products.
Clarification before the obvious correction coming up: I meant software "piracy", not the act of forcibly boarding ships at sea, murdering their occupants and seizing their cargo. Such would certainly constitute a criminal offense or two.
It was just an example. I was illustrating the irresponsible use of language, not describing something that's actually happened to me. The argument was made that arguing the semantics of the word "piracy" is not relevant to the issue at hand, and I say hell yes it is, because the word piracy connotes a particularly violent form of theft, and in the case of music sharing there is no theft taking place. It is not theft. Hence my objection, and example.
There is a difference between accusing someone of piracy (who is not stealing) and accusing someone of rape (who has not raped anyone). One is a civil offense, the other is criminal. But both involve improper and irresponsible use of language.
Why, of course! Because no one should be held accountable for the things they say, the accusations they make, no matter how unfounded in reality or substance they are. It would be my fault for associating, however briefly, with someone who might make wild-ass, untrue and random accusations against me.
Really. So deliberate misuses of language to gin up support for some argument is not a "silly" means of arguing a point to you either. Check. I'll remember that the next time I try to kiss my date goodnight and she accuses me of rape. It's silly to argue semantics, after all.
> It is upsetting but what other choice do you have?
Walk away. Who's forcing you to buy ice cream from them? If they lose sales because people expect them to speak the language of the country they are in, seems to me the impetus is on them to learn to speak English better. That is as it should be, same as if you were in Pakistan trying to sell your guns & butter over there without learning to speak their language decently.
Yeah, Apple is a lot more than just a hardware company. The whole iTunes Music Store is proof of that, to say nothing of its development of OS X, Quicktime, etc. Its hardware is peerless, but Jobs' strength is not only understanding cool hardware but seeing the potential of what people can do with it, and developing cool, trendy ways to make that happen.
I see your point, I just find the term "double-dipping" to be somewhat perjorative, and I see no reason why Apple should give away free upgrades to its OSes when the development of that software takes a lot of time and money on their part, not to mention offers increased performance and improved security for the user.
Double dipping? If you buy a new Mac, OS X comes with it free. If you want to upgrade to a newer iteration of the OS, you pay for it. OS X has taken many years of manpower and R&D. You don't think they deserve some return on that investment? I think the measly $129 or whatever it is is more than fair.
Before I got an iPod, I almost never used iTunes. I used Audion for managing all of my MP3 playlists and so forth, and I loved the various skins and features that Audion offered. It was a pain in the butt to recreate all my playlists in iTunes, and I'm not complaining, but my point is to agree with the parent: There are many good MP3 programs out there.. iTunes is but one of them.
I thought ISPs did this already. Maybe not for two years or more, but I always figured there was a record out there somewhere of my Net goings-on. I just never worried about it much.
It makes no sense to spend money "kick Bush and friends" out of Washington. That's what elections are for.
Universal healthcare is one of the most demonstrably ridiculous ideas ever dreamed up by the left. The only reason people have to argue for it is that it is a position contrary to the conservative position. This is a stupid reason to argue for something. Either show us where socialized medicine has been shown to work--there are many examples of failure, and none of success--or admit that it does not work and that we are better off keeping the government out of it.
Telling the record companies where they can stick it costs virtually nothing to the American taxpayer...it only takes a politician with the cojones to do it.
We're sorry we supported Saddam. He turned out to be an asshole. To amend this, we have overthrown him and have returned control of your country to you. We hope our efforts, and the lives of our soldiers sacrificed, helps to set your country on the right path again. We deeply apologize for the travesty that backing Saddam resulted in and we are doing everything we can to amend the situation.
linking to a site called p2pnet.net doesn't really prove your point.
Did you even click the link provided? Try actually looking at it sometime before deciding you already know what it is.
By the way, I do live in the real world, thank you. The world is full of cynics like you too, you're proof of that. But if you have facts that show the music industry is losing money--as opposed to just releasing fewer titles so it can blame p2p for a "loss in sales"--why don't you provide these? Someone might consider taking your argument seriously.
If this were the case, all stores would have all items for free with a place to send your money "if it was worth it" or the customer would have to return it. This doesn't happen because any store that did this would go out of business within the first week
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better.
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> So far these clowns managed to blow up seven bombs and kill, ohh, 2 people.
Body count is up to 40 now. (9:31 cst) Happy?
> ...let's just say the Jimmy Carter is uniquely capable to perform missions vitally important to the war on terror...
Fortunately, due to it being a submarine, the Jimmy Carter's missions will have nothing to do with helicopters.
Amen to that.
And I'll answer your question: that premise usually excludes huge monetary awards. If you go after the person directly responsible for $CRIME, you only get what money and assets that person has, which is often very little, BUT, go after a corporation loosely connected to the $CRIME and now you're talking big bucks, so lawyers try to find any way possible--no matter how ludicrous--to find that corporation guilty, because now they can get big payoffs. So now we have a legal culture of blaming corporations for things their customers do with their products.
Best response I've read all day. You, my friend, just made my "friends" list.
Mind if I join you for coffee?
> Of course, piracy is impossible to defend with non-narcissistic arguments, so I can see why the pirate camp likes to argue semantics
Don't look now, but you're seeing "piracy" defended with non-narcissistic arguments.
Shiver me timbers.
Clarification before the obvious correction coming up: I meant software "piracy", not the act of forcibly boarding ships at sea, murdering their occupants and seizing their cargo. Such would certainly constitute a criminal offense or two.
It was just an example. I was illustrating the irresponsible use of language, not describing something that's actually happened to me. The argument was made that arguing the semantics of the word "piracy" is not relevant to the issue at hand, and I say hell yes it is, because the word piracy connotes a particularly violent form of theft, and in the case of music sharing there is no theft taking place. It is not theft. Hence my objection, and example.
There is a difference between accusing someone of piracy (who is not stealing) and accusing someone of rape (who has not raped anyone). One is a civil offense, the other is criminal. But both involve improper and irresponsible use of language.
Why, of course! Because no one should be held accountable for the things they say, the accusations they make, no matter how unfounded in reality or substance they are. It would be my fault for associating, however briefly, with someone who might make wild-ass, untrue and random accusations against me.
And .. the food? How's the food on your planet?
Really. So deliberate misuses of language to gin up support for some argument is not a "silly" means of arguing a point to you either. Check. I'll remember that the next time I try to kiss my date goodnight and she accuses me of rape. It's silly to argue semantics, after all.
> It is upsetting but what other choice do you have?
Walk away. Who's forcing you to buy ice cream from them? If they lose sales because people expect them to speak the language of the country they are in, seems to me the impetus is on them to learn to speak English better. That is as it should be, same as if you were in Pakistan trying to sell your guns & butter over there without learning to speak their language decently.
Yeah, Apple is a lot more than just a hardware company. The whole iTunes Music Store is proof of that, to say nothing of its development of OS X, Quicktime, etc. Its hardware is peerless, but Jobs' strength is not only understanding cool hardware but seeing the potential of what people can do with it, and developing cool, trendy ways to make that happen.
I see your point, I just find the term "double-dipping" to be somewhat perjorative, and I see no reason why Apple should give away free upgrades to its OSes when the development of that software takes a lot of time and money on their part, not to mention offers increased performance and improved security for the user.
Maybe not WinXP, but Apple has certainly dabbled with Intel chips before.
Double dipping? If you buy a new Mac, OS X comes with it free. If you want to upgrade to a newer iteration of the OS, you pay for it. OS X has taken many years of manpower and R&D. You don't think they deserve some return on that investment? I think the measly $129 or whatever it is is more than fair.
> I find your crack about Californias to be offensive.
Are there more than one? Did it subdivide while I was away?
Damn, ain't THAT the sorry truth. Well spoken.
Before I got an iPod, I almost never used iTunes. I used Audion for managing all of my MP3 playlists and so forth, and I loved the various skins and features that Audion offered. It was a pain in the butt to recreate all my playlists in iTunes, and I'm not complaining, but my point is to agree with the parent: There are many good MP3 programs out there .. iTunes is but one of them.
I haven't RTFA either, but am I the only one who sees this being a terrific tool for all kinds of pandemonium on shoddy (i.e. amateur) Web sites?
That IS funny .. it's also a damn good idea.
I thought ISPs did this already. Maybe not for two years or more, but I always figured there was a record out there somewhere of my Net goings-on. I just never worried about it much.
It makes no sense to spend money "kick Bush and friends" out of Washington. That's what elections are for.
Universal healthcare is one of the most demonstrably ridiculous ideas ever dreamed up by the left. The only reason people have to argue for it is that it is a position contrary to the conservative position. This is a stupid reason to argue for something. Either show us where socialized medicine has been shown to work--there are many examples of failure, and none of success--or admit that it does not work and that we are better off keeping the government out of it.
Telling the record companies where they can stick it costs virtually nothing to the American taxpayer...it only takes a politician with the cojones to do it.
On this we agree.
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Dear People of Iraq:
We're sorry we supported Saddam. He turned out to be an asshole. To amend this, we have overthrown him and have returned control of your country to you. We hope our efforts, and the lives of our soldiers sacrificed, helps to set your country on the right path again. We deeply apologize for the travesty that backing Saddam resulted in and we are doing everything we can to amend the situation.
Sincerely,
The American People
Yes, your argument was plenty strong enough not to need personal attacks or useless profanity. Oh wait ..
linking to a site called p2pnet.net doesn't really prove your point.
Did you even click the link provided? Try actually looking at it sometime before deciding you already know what it is.
By the way, I do live in the real world, thank you. The world is full of cynics like you too, you're proof of that. But if you have facts that show the music industry is losing money--as opposed to just releasing fewer titles so it can blame p2p for a "loss in sales"--why don't you provide these? Someone might consider taking your argument seriously.
If this were the case, all stores would have all items for free with a place to send your money "if it was worth it" or the customer would have to return it. This doesn't happen because any store that did this would go out of business within the first week
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better.