His own dumb fault? So because he may be new to gentoo and the way it works, and thus didn't fully understand which emerge to emerge, you want to put him down for it rather than explain it to him with a nice below the belt jab?
Time, patience, and city planning. That's how these will be mass market appeal, by going through the same planning means cars had to do with gas stations.
Show a profit to be made in the market, and companies solve that problem (lack of recharge stations) for you.
>>Have you tried to run multiple kernels with the Nvidia drivers? Everytime I booted into a different kernel, I had to uninstall and reinstall the driver.
Correct, as it should apply to any kernel specific module. This isn't something to whine about, as each nvidia vinary wants to use your latest kernel headers or configurations. That shouldn't be a big deal, especially when the binary process takes about ten seconds.
>>And what about 4k stacks?
This was already fixed, oh a few months ago. About two weeks after this problem was brought up, Nvidia released newer drivers to solve the incompatability.
WHY is it so bad to reboot? Your "Period, end of story" doesn't make any sense because you didn't once state why it was bad. So? You are without an OS for 30 seconds, get over it.
If it was a mission critical server or likewise I can understand it completely, but not for normal home usage. Since when is your "Period, end of story" reasoning going to state what should and shouldn't be acceptable in the computer industry world? Rebooting does nothing more than require you to have 30 seconds away from the computer after system changes (including installing programs if we want to talk about win32 enviroments due to dll installs).
In fact, you -dont'- have to reboot many of the times it says reboot. It's just that it may be safer on certain systems, and thus they have to account for all.
Don't be a zealot if you don't have backed up reasoning besides "Period, end of story, my opinion rulz all4eva".
NEVER any point in time on windows OR linux do you have to reboot your computer for the display settings, unless you don't have your video drivers installed and need to reboot to install them. I don't care if you go from 640x480 to 1024x768 at 32 bit, you -wont- need to reset. Windows 98 had the option to reset, but on that same menu it had the option to not reset and have the video card adjust the resolution anyways. Everyone noticed that there wasn't a reason to reboot for video resolution changing, and thus why it was never default past windows 98.
Get your facts straight. Screen and color depth does -not- create a machine reboot, nor should it ever need it.
Not only are you acting biased, but you are giving incorrect information. Let's start on the BSD part.
You say its not an option because it is no longer being developed. I say you are wrong. In fact, the website of OpenBSD says you are wrong too:
OpenBSD is freely available from our FTP sites, and also available in an inexpensive 3-CD set. The current release is OpenBSD 3.5 which started shipping May 1, 2004.
OpenBSD 3.6, our next release, will be made available for FTP on November 1, 2004. It can be ordered now (CDs are already shipping!)
In fact, Freebsd has already released their 5.3 beta and is having people test it out as we speak (look at their news page).
So, your views on BSD and where it is at in the world are completely inaccurate and misguided. So, because of just that alone, I don't see why I should trust -any- of your other advice above.
wizard? browser? programs? I have windows boot on startup, that's it. Not Windows+trillian+msword+spyscanners+supersound configuration+something else in the systray.
Let me introduce you to msconfig.exe and from there, I'm sure you can google to learn how to correctly keep your system optimized. If you are having problems with booting time, it isn't windows, it's your plethora of programs loading on bootup that don't need to be there.
Especially in windows since clicking Shutdown will close all your programs for you and use the Save featre built into them.. there is no reason for you to complain about 30 seconds. If clicking that little X box to close a program (takes, what? one second.. maybe two if you use the keyboard to ctrl+s and save?_ really upsets you, then should you really even bother being on a computer in the first place?
There are OpenSource drivers for Nvidia video cards, however they are no where near as fast as the official binaries and can't preform 3d worth a damn.
You have to realise what you are asking here. The binary drivers that you are mentioning (which, by the way, never lock you to a certain kernel) are using the code made by ATI/NVIDIA to take advantage of their hardware's features. PixelShading, 3d processing. Each have their own way for their hardware to preform 3d functioning. This is not something they are going to disclose (they are a buisness too, remember?) and thus the open source drivers for video cards are always going to be horrid compared to the avalaible binaries.
Seriously though. Get a card that works great on linux despite the binary packaging. And I still don't see how it locks you into one kernel? Could you explain further in depth what you mean for me? Because upgrading nvidia (which must be done each time you update/replace your kernel) is as simple as shutting down the X server, rerunning the nvidia binary, and then rebooting the X server.
I don't get why some users complain about rebooting, linux and windows alike. In a company/mission critical server type situation I could see it, but for home use? My Windows XP machine takes a total of 20 seconds to shut down, pass BIOS, reboot, and hit the desktop ready to work. In that twenty seconds (which mind you, isn't very long to begin with) I can actually do that thing we forget to do, and stretch my legs and arms. Grab a cup of water, hell.. even look out the window.
The same with my slackware machine. About 25-30 seconds for a reboot. None of that bothers me because I -know- 30 seconds on my home machine doesn't mean a damn thing. I'll enjoy that time to rub my eyes, refresh myself with maybe spending that 30 seconds taking all the dishes out of the room back up to the kitchen.
Don't treat 30 seconds as a long and unbearable time unless you want to start complaining about having a manually flushing toliet in your home, followed by hands that can't wash themselves.
Anytime you upgrade or replace the kernel, just run the binary again before loading X (you aren't booting straight into x, are you?). Nvidia updates the module, reinstalls the new module while removing the old one, and bam. Now boot up X.
This is an incredible correction that needs to be known. Anonymous is correct, as the Nvidia installer uses the kernel headers to create it's own module which can be loaded by a simple xorg.conf change and reloading the X server.
There is -no- need to recompile the kernel unless they are referring to the old 2.6 kernel bug with the old nvidia drivers(the stacks bug). But that was a GLITCH that only lasted a week or two, and something quickly fixed (not to mention only really experienced by Fecora Core 2 users) by nvidia.
Since a lot of internal windows components rely on the IE Core, that would be the dumbest thing you could do. From Windows Updates to Event log troubles, things would go to hell.
If you enjoy being in hell, google for nlite on how to remove IE and IE core.
Funny, I only see the 2.4 and 2.6 family being modified as needed. Every responce I can find about a new bug in 2.2 or 2.0 is followed with "It is fixed in 2.4(or 2.6, get it."
Windows 2000 is a four year old operating system, and there are times when you have to move foward. If someone was still on RedHat6 and they were complaining about having to download and upgrade to Redhat9, we would give them a firm slap across the face. But when it's Windows and Microsoft, "NO ! no! unFAIR!"?
Sure, XP costs $125 on ebay. And? After four years I'm sure you could have saved that money up, and if you didn't prepare for future computer upgrades rather than playing it cheap to think that one particular version of anything is going to outlast and outpreform (even on gaming) a newer OS release... then it was your fault.
Right, because we have the "Increase Text Size" option in firefox for shits and giggles.
Use it, instead of complaining about font size without considering browser differences, resolution differences, installed font differences, and firefox features.
That right there, in any browser, will initiate a download of the winamp skin file. In Opera/Firefox/Mozilla you are given a download confirmation prompt. However, if IE is your default browser then IE will auto download and install the winamp skin without your knowledge.. or at least until your winamp pops up suddenly with a new skin. We can't tell people to "don't download skins" merely because it's far more serious than that. Manual skin changing or not, that iframe trick is going to nail a lot of people.
The best bet would be to ignore winamp completely until a patch can be provided, or have Firefox set as your default browser.
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spelling error on my part, mispasted and didn't even catch it:
** it's "Etymology", not "Entymology"
Funny irony in that, eh?
Because according to the Princeton definition:
:)
Caterpillar: a wormlike and often brightly colored and hairy or spiny larva of a butterfly or moth.
It's not about the origination of the word, but that it looks worm-like.
And a side note, it's "Etymology", not "Etymology"
It's getting old people. Seriously, we aren't on C64's anymore (willingly, at least), and it's nothing but a karma whore.
His own dumb fault? So because he may be new to gentoo and the way it works, and thus didn't fully understand which emerge to emerge, you want to put him down for it rather than explain it to him with a nice below the belt jab?
Christ, grow up
Whoa, calm down there. This is that part where we learn to use our -imaginations-.
IF it happened, would you?
Time, patience, and city planning. That's how these will be mass market appeal, by going through the same planning means cars had to do with gas stations.
Show a profit to be made in the market, and companies solve that problem (lack of recharge stations) for you.
Because that defeats the entire point of having contact information for troubleshooting, abuse reporting, and general ethics.
Hey, that sounds like the default window manager for Windows XP.
>>Have you tried to run multiple kernels with the Nvidia drivers? Everytime I booted into a different kernel, I had to uninstall and reinstall the driver.
Correct, as it should apply to any kernel specific module. This isn't something to whine about, as each nvidia vinary wants to use your latest kernel headers or configurations. That shouldn't be a big deal, especially when the binary process takes about ten seconds.
>>And what about 4k stacks?
This was already fixed, oh a few months ago. About two weeks after this problem was brought up, Nvidia released newer drivers to solve the incompatability.
Which brings us back to step one.
WHY is it so bad to reboot? Your "Period, end of story" doesn't make any sense because you didn't once state why it was bad. So? You are without an OS for 30 seconds, get over it.
If it was a mission critical server or likewise I can understand it completely, but not for normal home usage. Since when is your "Period, end of story" reasoning going to state what should and shouldn't be acceptable in the computer industry world? Rebooting does nothing more than require you to have 30 seconds away from the computer after system changes (including installing programs if we want to talk about win32 enviroments due to dll installs).
In fact, you -dont'- have to reboot many of the times it says reboot. It's just that it may be safer on certain systems, and thus they have to account for all.
Don't be a zealot if you don't have backed up reasoning besides "Period, end of story, my opinion rulz all4eva".
Wait, what on earth are you talking about?
NEVER any point in time on windows OR linux do you have to reboot your computer for the display settings, unless you don't have your video drivers installed and need to reboot to install them. I don't care if you go from 640x480 to 1024x768 at 32 bit, you -wont- need to reset. Windows 98 had the option to reset, but on that same menu it had the option to not reset and have the video card adjust the resolution anyways. Everyone noticed that there wasn't a reason to reboot for video resolution changing, and thus why it was never default past windows 98.
Get your facts straight. Screen and color depth does -not- create a machine reboot, nor should it ever need it.
Not only are you acting biased, but you are giving incorrect information. Let's start on the BSD part.
You say its not an option because it is no longer being developed. I say you are wrong. In fact, the website of OpenBSD says you are wrong too:
OpenBSD is freely available from our FTP sites, and also available in an inexpensive 3-CD set. The current release is OpenBSD 3.5 which started shipping May 1, 2004.
OpenBSD 3.6, our next release, will be made available for FTP on November 1, 2004. It can be ordered now (CDs are already shipping!)
In fact, Freebsd has already released their 5.3 beta and is having people test it out as we speak (look at their news page).
So, your views on BSD and where it is at in the world are completely inaccurate and misguided. So, because of just that alone, I don't see why I should trust -any- of your other advice above.
wizard? browser? programs? I have windows boot on startup, that's it. Not Windows+trillian+msword+spyscanners+supersound configuration+something else in the systray.
Let me introduce you to msconfig.exe and from there, I'm sure you can google to learn how to correctly keep your system optimized. If you are having problems with booting time, it isn't windows, it's your plethora of programs loading on bootup that don't need to be there.
Especially in windows since clicking Shutdown will close all your programs for you and use the Save featre built into them.. there is no reason for you to complain about 30 seconds. If clicking that little X box to close a program (takes, what? one second.. maybe two if you use the keyboard to ctrl+s and save?_ really upsets you, then should you really even bother being on a computer in the first place?
There are OpenSource drivers for Nvidia video cards, however they are no where near as fast as the official binaries and can't preform 3d worth a damn.
You have to realise what you are asking here. The binary drivers that you are mentioning (which, by the way, never lock you to a certain kernel) are using the code made by ATI/NVIDIA to take advantage of their hardware's features. PixelShading, 3d processing. Each have their own way for their hardware to preform 3d functioning. This is not something they are going to disclose (they are a buisness too, remember?) and thus the open source drivers for video cards are always going to be horrid compared to the avalaible binaries.
Seriously though. Get a card that works great on linux despite the binary packaging. And I still don't see how it locks you into one kernel? Could you explain further in depth what you mean for me? Because upgrading nvidia (which must be done each time you update/replace your kernel) is as simple as shutting down the X server, rerunning the nvidia binary, and then rebooting the X server.
I don't get why some users complain about rebooting, linux and windows alike. In a company/mission critical server type situation I could see it, but for home use? My Windows XP machine takes a total of 20 seconds to shut down, pass BIOS, reboot, and hit the desktop ready to work. In that twenty seconds (which mind you, isn't very long to begin with) I can actually do that thing we forget to do, and stretch my legs and arms. Grab a cup of water, hell.. even look out the window.
The same with my slackware machine. About 25-30 seconds for a reboot. None of that bothers me because I -know- 30 seconds on my home machine doesn't mean a damn thing. I'll enjoy that time to rub my eyes, refresh myself with maybe spending that 30 seconds taking all the dishes out of the room back up to the kitchen.
Don't treat 30 seconds as a long and unbearable time unless you want to start complaining about having a manually flushing toliet in your home, followed by hands that can't wash themselves.
Anytime you upgrade or replace the kernel, just run the binary again before loading X (you aren't booting straight into x, are you?). Nvidia updates the module, reinstalls the new module while removing the old one, and bam. Now boot up X.
This is an incredible correction that needs to be known. Anonymous is correct, as the Nvidia installer uses the kernel headers to create it's own module which can be loaded by a simple xorg.conf change and reloading the X server.
There is -no- need to recompile the kernel unless they are referring to the old 2.6 kernel bug with the old nvidia drivers(the stacks bug). But that was a GLITCH that only lasted a week or two, and something quickly fixed (not to mention only really experienced by Fecora Core 2 users) by nvidia.
Bill never said that (the 64k bit). A simple google search will solve that. Stop spreading a myth that you never took the time to research.
Common sense? You bitch about commercialization of slashdot, yet have an ipod sig? Pot. Kettle...
About the same time I'm sure you decided to start pimping your FREEIPOD omMFG!!111five
Since a lot of internal windows components rely on the IE Core, that would be the dumbest thing you could do. From Windows Updates to Event log troubles, things would go to hell.
If you enjoy being in hell, google for nlite on how to remove IE and IE core.
Funny, I only see the 2.4 and 2.6 family being modified as needed. Every responce I can find about a new bug in 2.2 or 2.0 is followed with "It is fixed in 2.4(or 2.6, get it."
I don't see why people are up in arms over this.
Windows 2000 is a four year old operating system, and there are times when you have to move foward. If someone was still on RedHat6 and they were complaining about having to download and upgrade to Redhat9, we would give them a firm slap across the face. But when it's Windows and Microsoft, "NO ! no! unFAIR!"?
Sure, XP costs $125 on ebay. And? After four years I'm sure you could have saved that money up, and if you didn't prepare for future computer upgrades rather than playing it cheap to think that one particular version of anything is going to outlast and outpreform (even on gaming) a newer OS release... then it was your fault.
Right, because we have the "Increase Text Size" option in firefox for shits and giggles. Use it, instead of complaining about font size without considering browser differences, resolution differences, installed font differences, and firefox features.
It's how it is delivered. The simpilest way involves:
iframe src="http://www.blah.com/winamphackedskin.wsz"
That right there, in any browser, will initiate a download of the winamp skin file. In Opera/Firefox/Mozilla you are given a download confirmation prompt. However, if IE is your default browser then IE will auto download and install the winamp skin without your knowledge.. or at least until your winamp pops up suddenly with a new skin. We can't tell people to "don't download skins" merely because it's far more serious than that. Manual skin changing or not, that iframe trick is going to nail a lot of people.
The best bet would be to ignore winamp completely until a patch can be provided, or have Firefox set as your default browser.