I just think that MS should be more like Apple and the Linux distros out there that require a challenge/response type of acknowledgement for service installation, period. One time scripts like a cheesy flash games or script shouldnt have to but something that becomes embedded in the system should.
You could run a malicious script that wipes out the users personal documents and attach that to an email and have the users run that script. That would work on any operating system. It could even send out a million emails but a reboot would stop it from happening automatically again.
Granted that giving the keys of my car to a friend and the friend installs a malicious device is my responsibility. I think the difference between an OS and a car is that it's software/hardware. If hardware had a defect in engineering, it's the manufacturer's responsibility. If hardware is altered that creates a defect in engineering, it's the person who performed the alteration's responsibility.
For the sake of an argument, let's say that software is engineered especially in the terms of an Operating System. If I let my friend use my computer and he installs a keylogger, it's my responsibility. If the OS corrupts the data and it's not a hardware issue, it's the OS manufacturer's responsibility. If the OS deletes the users personal documents every 30 days and doesn't notify via computer notification, written in fine print somewhere, etc..., then it's the OS manufacturer's responsibility.
Likewise if a Dell computer corrupted the users personal data and it was a hardware issue, Dell is the responsibile party during the warranty then it's the hardware manufacturer within their terms. Home builders have the similar warranty for new homes. All defects go through them first. Subsequent home buyers would then deal with a warranty service or the individual manufacturer of the defect. So you sell your Dell after the warranty and the hard drive get's 86'd, the buyer needs to get a new hard drive.
So back to application installing code. I install an app that needs service level access and I give it. I am responsible for everything I agree they install. If they install a keylogger and it's not in the agreement, then it's their responsibility to fix it. If I insall an app that doesn't need service level access yet it does install, it's the OS fault.
Home builders assemble a 'home' using ready off the shelf materials. Car makers assembles a vehicle using manufactured parts and they are responsible for engineering defects, not normal use. Software writers manufactures an operating system and provides updates. Their liability lies in the fact that data is accessed and stored correctly.
If there is a problem with a home windows (as I have had) or lock, it becomes the manufacturers responsibility, not the assembler. If there is a problem with a transmission (as I have had) that isn't a wear-and-tear problem, it is the manufacturer's responsibility. If there is a problem with the operating system that has all required patches provided by the manufacturer, would that not be a responsibility of the engineers of the software and not a 3rd party that provides work arounds?
Crimes are the fault of the criminal and nobody else. The method of transport of the crime I believe is the issue.
Let's break this down: If a criminal breaks into my home because a window isn't able to lock-
-It's the homeowners responsibility first
-If the window manufacturer has a known defect in the locking mechanism and fails to correct it, it becomes the manufacturers responsibility at that point
-If my window is out of warranty and I fail to correct the problem myself, it's my problem.
-If it's a fault because the builder failed to install the window correctly, it's the builders fault. In the case of windows and new home construction or remodeling, windows have to be signed off by the county/parish/city.
If a car thief is able to open my car door because it doesn't lock and start my car without a key by just turning the ignition-
-It's my responsibility first because it's my car. That's the agreement I sign with the bill of sale and the state registration and taxes
-If it's because I didn't have my car repaired by the factory during the known window of opportunity to repair the defects, it's my fault
-If it's because it is a manufacturing defect, it becomes debatable by city/state but I'm sure that most judges will rule that the fault lies with the manufacturer. If you can't lock a car door with the supplied resources, it's the manufacturer's responsibility.
If my computer becomes compromised:
# For sake of argument, let's say we're patched up with all manufacturers patches
-If I open an attachment in an email that I shouldn't, it's my fault. An application is an application, a script is a script. There should be checks and balances in place to make sure that any script or application doesn't take over my computer system without my say so anyway.
--If that application installs something on my system that becomes an automated process without my acknowledgment, it becomes the OS manufacturer's responsibility.
-If I browse a site with a web browser and some malicious code wants to install an automated process on my system, it's the browser manufacturer's responsibility to ensure that the malicious activity does not occur. Furthermore, if said activity were to get past the browser to the system level to be able to be instaled as an automated process, it is the fault of the OS manufacturer to ensure security as a default level.
-All above is null and void if recent patches aren't applied. In the case of using older non-supported versions, the same holds true.
The whole junk science version global warming thing is a farce anyway. I haven't seen anywhere in mainstream news about the ski slopes opening up early in Washington state for the first time in 30 years yet they are. The only weather related news is when people's conviences are put to a halt or homes are destroyed then we're led to believe that this wacky weather is a trend.
Good point. I don't advocate war either but I do advocate term limits for politicians. What was that saying about old men debating while young boys die??? I don't remember but something to that effect.
What is this hatred for the military? It was the militia that kicked the Brits ass (with outside help of course but we American colonists were fed up with it) othewise we'd be bowing to the Queen right now. Organized military came from that. This pacifist BS needs to stop. There are plenty of scavengers that want to take from us and if we don't have that image of being a bad ass, they're going to do damage.
And what's up with the San Francisco sissies banning guns? Isn't that a 2nd amendment right? I say remove remove the civil obedience oppressors (cops) from there then.
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The problem with raising water prices is that you have the conservative minded folk who use water when needed (like don't keep the water running when brushing teeth, etc.) and then you have those idiots that gleefully waste water for whatever and don't have the concept of a leaky faucet.
I lived in a state that had drought conditions 5 years ago for a period of 3 years. There was a watering ban for neighborhoods where it ended up that you couldn't water your lawn or wash your car. It started out that you shouldn't water your lawn and shouldn't wash your car. It ten went to if you have to use your outside water supply, use it on odd/even days depending upon your address. In year 2, the odd/even days stuck and if you did have to use water, it was before 10am and after 7pm . Warnings and fines came into play if you broke the rulesand people started to get pissed. In year 3, you were prohibited from using water at all. Year 4 had record rainfall so it went back to normal.
The point I'm making is that you had the neighbors (like me) that didn't water the lawn or wash the car and you had the idiots with blatant disregard for the water shortage that eventually got their water cut off and had to pay a hefty fine to get it back on. These are the same people that have parties at 2AM that wake the neighbothood.
You can charge whatever for a service and lazy idiots will pay as long as they can still do what they want to do.
Nope, I was around. People weren't willing to plunk down $$$ for the Odyssey when all they wanted was pong and they could get that for $20 for a standalone connected to their TV. Remember the analog pong games? Plastic TV tube with light bulb and knob controls with linkage? Remember when TOMY had BLIP? Pong was the HALO of the time, not KC Munchkin. I liked Odyssey but nobody else did.
Magnavox did have the entry to the home market first but nobody knew what to do. Coleco (way before colecovision) had the better idea by introducing single to multiple game consoles thereby warming up the home market. Remember their driving and shooting game? Atari came at the right time and cleaned up.
Sega was late to the game. I'm guessing that you weren't around in the Atari vs. Intellivision battles. Atari CREATED the market. Intellivision had superior hardware but their controllers sucked and didn't have the licensing that Atari had. Atari was THE console from 2600 to 5200 until Colecovision then Nintendo vs. Sega battles began.
When a gamer buys an xbox360 then sells it for a PS3, MS still made their money off the gamer as well as Sony. MS will make their money on games being made, not sold due to licensing costs. Albeit that games sold = more games being made, if a title is developed, packaged, and sits on the shelf, MS still makes their money.
I am aware of those facts. That still doesn't prove that Ford went out to purposely design a car that explodes on impact. They designed a car cheaply, discovered a flaw, and left it (which is wrong).
The parent post states that he 'Owns' the license which is never a possibilty with Microsoft. Their license is the right to run their software on their terms, period. I have been called by an MS VAR (Through Ingram Micro) regarding an MOLP licensing issue with a small business (under 40 desktops) back in the Win2000/Office 2000 era. I had a client that didn't want to renew their license. They were aware that they would have to pay full price if they didn't renew now for future upgrades (big deal, they paid full price the first time and the cost savings mattered at the time.)
Needless to say, they said we had to remove the software from their computers if we didn't renew, we got a letter from the BSA, yada yada, they renewed, I started to hate Microsoft at that point.
Even recently, I had a deployment of Server 2000 (before 2003 came out and needed a stable environment for a project), project 2002, office 2002, visio 2002. We let it lapse in 2004 and I got a call and a letter stating I had to remove the software. The project was over anyway so it was a moot point.
I have seen the BSA goons do an audit for a multimedia company (company that a friend that just hired as their admin) and fine them for $150,000. Don't tell me I don't have battle experience with Microsoft Licensing.
Look at the 'Term' row, it is a two to three year span. On the certificate that you get in the mail when you purchase an agreement you'll see this line of text:
"...provides you with rights to run the software only during the term of the agreement with Microsoft (nonperpetual)."
hence at the end of the agreement, it becomes illegal to run said software because you no longer have the rights to run it.
Software assurance is is a 'guarantee' that you will get the latest release and be properly licensed within your license agreement. MOLP is a set time for licenses purchased for a specific title/product.
Software assurance didn't exist pre XP/Office XP(2002)
You must not have installed any MOLP (Microsoft Open License Pack) setups. You get a certificate that clearly states the number of licenses, the agreement date and date of expiration which in mice type states that after the agreement expiration date ( usually 2 years ) you are no longer licensed to use said products which becomes illegal to use under the eyes of the BSA, MS, and the EULA on the media pack(CD).
It they have an open license agreement with MS (as most do in a corporate case), they are required to upgrade in X number of years. They could still use the software but it would be illegal (in the eyes of the BSA, MS, and the EULA).
Last time I checked, the retail version of MSOffice 2002/2003 doesn't allow the use of transform files which set corporate preferences for the user during profile setup.
I stopped with the N64 generation but I thought that Turok was excellent as an FPS and I'm a hardcore Unreal/Quake player. I actually miss the N64 controller for the PC version of Shadows of the Empire.
HD broadcast over the air is better quality than cable supplied HD. I haven't sampled DirecTV HD content but since they don't supply local HD content, what's the point? I can get local HD content over the air in perfect quality.
FWIW, I've had terrible performance issues using cygwin. My IDE is Eclipse and the only thing I use Windows for is MSSQL Enterprise manager and check IE renders. I guess the part I hate in dealing with Windows is defrags and when an auomatic update has happened overnight that it takes 10 minutes to come back to the desktop after the required reboot.
My main argument is that not using it is more dangerous than using it. Obviously being that DDT is a poison, it is extremely dangerous to everything. We want it to kill mosquitoes that carry malaria. If Malaria kills 2,000,000 a year, isn't it worth the risk to use DDT as a stage one attack against it instead of treating the people who have it?
People who have Sickle Cell anemia seem to be the ones who actually survive malaria due their genetic makeup. It seems that gene therapy would be the only way to deal with the situation in those areas of poisoning isn't attractive.
You should probably read the entry before posting the link as it pretty much states what I've said. No scientific evidence for not using DDT to combat Malaria. Not using DDT causes more deaths.
Or should I say that there is more scientific evidence to use DDT vs not to use it.
"Since the ban, two million people a year have died unnecessarily from malaria, mostly children. The ban has caused more than fifty million needless deaths. Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler."
There already is a cure for Malaria and it's called DDT. Meanwhile we taxpayers spend 1.2 billion on fighting it with treatment in Africa. Malaria used to be here in the states before we eradicated it then that hippie book Silent Spring evoked emotional response that had absolutely NO scientific data to have DDT banned.
You can believe what you want from the propaganda against DDT bt remember that it isn't backed up with scientific data.
Most businesses have use an Access database in the past because it is fairly easy to start it and build on top of it. Hell, I've had one that grew past it's 1Gig limit (when we migrated it to SQL7 with the same front end).
Personally, I've found that if you build the frontend in an HTML interface and use PHP/MySQL as the backend, you have a much better chance of being accessible and don't have to worry about updrages with the Access front end. My case had Mac users and where the remotes were using Terminal server, now they can login to a website and make updates.
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It is you who will now be sued and not the parent.
Good point.
I just think that MS should be more like Apple and the Linux distros out there that require a challenge/response type of acknowledgement for service installation, period. One time scripts like a cheesy flash games or script shouldnt have to but something that becomes embedded in the system should.
You could run a malicious script that wipes out the users personal documents and attach that to an email and have the users run that script. That would work on any operating system. It could even send out a million emails but a reboot would stop it from happening automatically again.
Granted that giving the keys of my car to a friend and the friend installs a malicious device is my responsibility.
I think the difference between an OS and a car is that it's software/hardware.
If hardware had a defect in engineering, it's the manufacturer's responsibility.
If hardware is altered that creates a defect in engineering, it's the person who performed the alteration's responsibility.
For the sake of an argument, let's say that software is engineered especially in the terms of an Operating System.
If I let my friend use my computer and he installs a keylogger, it's my responsibility.
If the OS corrupts the data and it's not a hardware issue, it's the OS manufacturer's responsibility.
If the OS deletes the users personal documents every 30 days and doesn't notify via computer notification, written in fine print somewhere, etc..., then it's the OS manufacturer's responsibility.
Likewise if a Dell computer corrupted the users personal data and it was a hardware issue, Dell is the responsibile party during the warranty then it's the hardware manufacturer within their terms.
Home builders have the similar warranty for new homes. All defects go through them first. Subsequent home buyers would then deal with a warranty service or the individual manufacturer of the defect.
So you sell your Dell after the warranty and the hard drive get's 86'd, the buyer needs to get a new hard drive.
So back to application installing code.
I install an app that needs service level access and I give it. I am responsible for everything I agree they install. If they install a keylogger and it's not in the agreement, then it's their responsibility to fix it.
If I insall an app that doesn't need service level access yet it does install, it's the OS fault.
Interesting analogy.
Home builders assemble a 'home' using ready off the shelf materials.
Car makers assembles a vehicle using manufactured parts and they are responsible for engineering defects, not normal use.
Software writers manufactures an operating system and provides updates. Their liability lies in the fact that data is accessed and stored correctly.
If there is a problem with a home windows (as I have had) or lock, it becomes the manufacturers responsibility, not the assembler.
If there is a problem with a transmission (as I have had) that isn't a wear-and-tear problem, it is the manufacturer's responsibility.
If there is a problem with the operating system that has all required patches provided by the manufacturer, would that not be a responsibility of the engineers of the software and not a 3rd party that provides work arounds?
Crimes are the fault of the criminal and nobody else. The method of transport of the crime I believe is the issue.
Let's break this down:
If a criminal breaks into my home because a window isn't able to lock-
-It's the homeowners responsibility first
-If the window manufacturer has a known defect in the locking mechanism and fails to correct it, it becomes the manufacturers responsibility at that point
-If my window is out of warranty and I fail to correct the problem myself, it's my problem.
-If it's a fault because the builder failed to install the window correctly, it's the builders fault. In the case of windows and new home construction or remodeling, windows have to be signed off by the county/parish/city.
If a car thief is able to open my car door because it doesn't lock and start my car without a key by just turning the ignition-
-It's my responsibility first because it's my car. That's the agreement I sign with the bill of sale and the state registration and taxes
-If it's because I didn't have my car repaired by the factory during the known window of opportunity to repair the defects, it's my fault
-If it's because it is a manufacturing defect, it becomes debatable by city/state but I'm sure that most judges will rule that the fault lies with the manufacturer. If you can't lock a car door with the supplied resources, it's the manufacturer's responsibility.
If my computer becomes compromised:
# For sake of argument, let's say we're patched up with all manufacturers patches
-If I open an attachment in an email that I shouldn't, it's my fault. An application is an application, a script is a script. There should be checks and balances in place to make sure that any script or application doesn't take over my computer system without my say so anyway.
--If that application installs something on my system that becomes an automated process without my acknowledgment, it becomes the OS manufacturer's responsibility.
-If I browse a site with a web browser and some malicious code wants to install an automated process on my system, it's the browser manufacturer's responsibility to ensure that the malicious activity does not occur. Furthermore, if said activity were to get past the browser to the system level to be able to be instaled as an automated process, it is the fault of the OS manufacturer to ensure security as a default level.
-All above is null and void if recent patches aren't applied. In the case of using older non-supported versions, the same holds true.
The whole junk science version global warming thing is a farce anyway. I haven't seen anywhere in mainstream news about the ski slopes opening up early in Washington state for the first time in 30 years yet they are.
The only weather related news is when people's conviences are put to a halt or homes are destroyed then we're led to believe that this wacky weather is a trend.
Good point. I don't advocate war either but I do advocate term limits for politicians. What was that saying about old men debating while young boys die??? I don't remember but something to that effect.
What is this hatred for the military? It was the militia that kicked the Brits ass (with outside help of course but we American colonists were fed up with it) othewise we'd be bowing to the Queen right now. Organized military came from that.
This pacifist BS needs to stop. There are plenty of scavengers that want to take from us and if we don't have that image of being a bad ass, they're going to do damage.
And what's up with the San Francisco sissies banning guns? Isn't that a 2nd amendment right? I say remove remove the civil obedience oppressors (cops) from there then.
The problem with raising water prices is that you have the conservative minded folk who use water when needed (like don't keep the water running when brushing teeth, etc.) and then you have those idiots that gleefully waste water for whatever and don't have the concept of a leaky faucet.
I lived in a state that had drought conditions 5 years ago for a period of 3 years. There was a watering ban for neighborhoods where it ended up that you couldn't water your lawn or wash your car.
It started out that you shouldn't water your lawn and shouldn't wash your car. It ten went to if you have to use your outside water supply, use it on odd/even days depending upon your address.
In year 2, the odd/even days stuck and if you did have to use water, it was before 10am and after 7pm . Warnings and fines came into play if you broke the rulesand people started to get pissed.
In year 3, you were prohibited from using water at all.
Year 4 had record rainfall so it went back to normal.
The point I'm making is that you had the neighbors (like me) that didn't water the lawn or wash the car and you had the idiots with blatant disregard for the water shortage that eventually got their water cut off and had to pay a hefty fine to get it back on.
These are the same people that have parties at 2AM that wake the neighbothood.
You can charge whatever for a service and lazy idiots will pay as long as they can still do what they want to do.
Nope, I was around. People weren't willing to plunk down $$$ for the Odyssey when all they wanted was pong and they could get that for $20 for a standalone connected to their TV.
Remember the analog pong games? Plastic TV tube with light bulb and knob controls with linkage? Remember when TOMY had BLIP?
Pong was the HALO of the time, not KC Munchkin.
I liked Odyssey but nobody else did.
Magnavox did have the entry to the home market first but nobody knew what to do.
Coleco (way before colecovision) had the better idea by introducing single to multiple game consoles thereby warming up the home market.
Remember their driving and shooting game?
Atari came at the right time and cleaned up.
Sega was late to the game. I'm guessing that you weren't around in the Atari vs. Intellivision battles. Atari CREATED the market.
Intellivision had superior hardware but their controllers sucked and didn't have the licensing that Atari had.
Atari was THE console from 2600 to 5200 until Colecovision then Nintendo vs. Sega battles began.
When a gamer buys an xbox360 then sells it for a PS3, MS still made their money off the gamer as well as Sony.
MS will make their money on games being made, not sold due to licensing costs. Albeit that games sold = more games being made, if a title is developed, packaged, and sits on the shelf, MS still makes their money.
I am aware of those facts. That still doesn't prove that Ford went out to purposely design a car that explodes on impact. They designed a car cheaply, discovered a flaw, and left it (which is wrong).
Ford didn't make the Pinto to explode. There wasn't a board meeting where a project manager said "I want to make a car that explodes on impact."
The retail - boxed version doesn't allow transform files. I doubt that you have 50 boxes, seperate PK, CD's of Office. That would be a waste of money.
The parent post states that he 'Owns' the license which is never a possibilty with Microsoft. Their license is the right to run their software on their terms, period.
I have been called by an MS VAR (Through Ingram Micro) regarding an MOLP licensing issue with a small business (under 40 desktops) back in the Win2000/Office 2000 era. I had a client that didn't want to renew their license. They were aware that they would have to pay full price if they didn't renew now for future upgrades (big deal, they paid full price the first time and the cost savings mattered at the time.)
Needless to say, they said we had to remove the software from their computers if we didn't renew, we got a letter from the BSA, yada yada, they renewed, I started to hate Microsoft at that point.
Even recently, I had a deployment of Server 2000 (before 2003 came out and needed a stable environment for a project), project 2002, office 2002, visio 2002. We let it lapse in 2004 and I got a call and a letter stating I had to remove the software. The project was over anyway so it was a moot point.
I have seen the BSA goons do an audit for a multimedia company (company that a friend that just hired as their admin) and fine them for $150,000. Don't tell me I don't have battle experience with Microsoft Licensing.
I actually read the fine print.
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From Microsoft's own site:
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/programs/open/
Look at the 'Term' row, it is a two to three year span.
On the certificate that you get in the mail when you purchase an agreement you'll see this line of text:
"...provides you with rights to run the software only during the term of the agreement with Microsoft (nonperpetual)."
hence at the end of the agreement, it becomes illegal to run said software because you no longer have the rights to run it.
Software assurance is is a 'guarantee' that you will get the latest release and be properly licensed within your license agreement. MOLP is a set time for licenses purchased for a specific title/product.
Software assurance didn't exist pre XP/Office XP(2002)
You must not have installed any MOLP (Microsoft Open License Pack) setups. You get a certificate that clearly states the number of licenses, the agreement date and date of expiration which in mice type states that after the agreement expiration date ( usually 2 years ) you are no longer licensed to use said products which becomes illegal to use under the eyes of the BSA, MS, and the EULA on the media pack(CD).
It they have an open license agreement with MS (as most do in a corporate case), they are required to upgrade in X number of years. They could still use the software but it would be illegal (in the eyes of the BSA, MS, and the EULA).
Last time I checked, the retail version of MSOffice 2002/2003 doesn't allow the use of transform files which set corporate preferences for the user during profile setup.
I stopped with the N64 generation but I thought that Turok was excellent as an FPS and I'm a hardcore Unreal/Quake player.
I actually miss the N64 controller for the PC version of Shadows of the Empire.
HD broadcast over the air is better quality than cable supplied HD.
I haven't sampled DirecTV HD content but since they don't supply local HD content, what's the point? I can get local HD content over the air in perfect quality.
FWIW, I've had terrible performance issues using cygwin. My IDE is Eclipse and the only thing I use Windows for is MSSQL Enterprise manager and check IE renders.
I guess the part I hate in dealing with Windows is defrags and when an auomatic update has happened overnight that it takes 10 minutes to come back to the desktop after the required reboot.
IMO, If you're going to use cygwin on Windows, you might as well use a full blown Linux and Emulate or Wine your Windows needs.
My main argument is that not using it is more dangerous than using it. Obviously being that DDT is a poison, it is extremely dangerous to everything. We want it to kill mosquitoes that carry malaria. If Malaria kills 2,000,000 a year, isn't it worth the risk to use DDT as a stage one attack against it instead of treating the people who have it?
People who have Sickle Cell anemia seem to be the ones who actually survive malaria due their genetic makeup. It seems that gene therapy would be the only way to deal with the situation in those areas of poisoning isn't attractive.
You should probably read the entry before posting the link as it pretty much states what I've said. No scientific evidence for not using DDT to combat Malaria.
Not using DDT causes more deaths.
Or should I say that there is more scientific evidence to use DDT vs not to use it.
"Since the ban, two million people a year have died unnecessarily from malaria, mostly children. The ban has caused more than fifty million needless deaths. Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler."
There already is a cure for Malaria and it's called DDT. Meanwhile we taxpayers spend 1.2 billion on fighting it with treatment in Africa.
Malaria used to be here in the states before we eradicated it then that hippie book Silent Spring evoked emotional response that had absolutely NO scientific data to have DDT banned.
You can believe what you want from the propaganda against DDT bt remember that it isn't backed up with scientific data.
How true, how true.
Seriously, and I've done it--
Most businesses have use an Access database in the past because it is fairly easy to start it and build on top of it. Hell, I've had one that grew past it's 1Gig limit (when we migrated it to SQL7 with the same front end).
Personally, I've found that if you build the frontend in an HTML interface and use PHP/MySQL as the backend, you have a much better chance of being accessible and don't have to worry about updrages with the Access front end.
My case had Mac users and where the remotes were using Terminal server, now they can login to a website and make updates.