Agreed. First version of Windows that I can use in a desktop environment and can keep in running 24/7 for as long as I want. Months on end even.
Wow. What kind of crap hardware and/or software are you using ? I've been doing this happily since NT 4.0, in 1996.
What exactly is it that you've been doing happily since 1996? I've been weighed down by MS since before 1996 - can't say I've been happy about it at all.
I have to agree that Win7 is a usable, useful product. The _first_ I've come across in my long history with dealing with Microsoft, err, stuff. I've spent hundreds of hours mucking about with MS issues that I could not care less about. You know, things like going to a DOS prompt to change the extension on some files I wanted to move, because if I opened that folder in File Explorer, it would lock up the so-called operating system. Not that I'm bitter. Not that my blood pressure doesn't go up 20 points just thinking about it. Yeah, good times...
Perhaps you've been happy about tricking Windows into doing what you really wanted it to do? I know a guy who likes that process, while I consider it a waste of precious time that I can never get back.
But back to Win7. I got a wireless printer this week. My Mac recognized and used it without effort. My wife's Win7 box also just worked. Good for MS.
We happen to have a long-time Windows expert staying with us. He likes Windows also. And he's still trying to get XP to connect to the printer. When he finally tricks Windows XP into getting the job done, he'll feel really good about it. In the meantime, I just want to print my frakking documents and get on with life.
So tell me, Redmond whore, how much do you get paid to post here? Or are you just so pathetic you don't even receive money?
That's a very cutting comment. But it would seem to me that you've either attached it to the wrong post -or- you didn't read the parent post very carefully.
Or [*tinfoil hat on*] are you being paid by MS to make Linux defenders look rabid and stupid?
We're also publicly funded around here and very Microsoft-centric. In a perfect world we could mix and match MS products, Linux environments, and FOSS applications according to needs and preferences.
Unfortunately, the reality is that our IT support folks have little experience outside of MS products. Getting them training and experience would not be without cost. Any interoperability issues that came up would not be without cost. Those "extra" costs are going to be frowned on in a publicly funded organization - we're supposed to be frugal with the taxpayer's money:)
Bottom line, everybody here is going to have an MS desktop. Most of the servers are going to be running MS. It would be difficult for our management to compare the cost of paying MS licenses versus the cost of any disruptions that might come up from switching over to FOSS. They're going to push their thumb down hard on the scale when it comes to weighing disruptions. As in any bureaucracy in the USA, the slightest hint of "trouble" is like throwing a bucket of chum into the shark-tank. Can you really blame someone for not wanting to chum the waters and then dive right in?
On a positive note, we do have a couple of Linux servers for databases and web servers. The IT folks are getting used to them - they don't have to patch, reboot or otherwise fiddle with them as much as they do the MS servers. As others have pointed out, that kind of organic growth is productive over the long term.
But in Germany, these laws are crafted so that people can have a chance at a normal life again--A chance at redemption. It is recognized that people make mistakes, but these mistakes shouldn't haunt them for the rest of their lives.
Forgive and forget? Seems pretty short-sighted. I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake". An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.
The government has stepped in to ensure that any adult citizen that has their freedom also has the same chances as the next.
Except for the guy they killed. Where's his freedom and chance?
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends? How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them. Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.
Your theory is fascinating but do you have any evidence that forgiveness is a bad thing? Does holding on to hatred and providing maximum punishment really help family and friends as you seem to be claiming?
Let us in America by no means learn anything from Germany. Let us continue to "kill the killers" because that's working out so well for us...
Maybe this handy pie chart will enlighten you.
Hint: Maemo is in the grey slice.
Symbian phones belong in a "Not-that-smart-phone" category separate from the newer platforms. Sure, it was a great platform and is still useful, but it's legacy. We all know how newly-minted developers feel about legacy: junk/cruft/bloat -- throw it all away and build something new!!
Sweden is mostly woods and non-urban areas too, so why is it done better here?
In the US, our corporate executives have no shame whatsoever. Probably have no souls either.
I recall the Enron case where investigators obtained a recording of two schmuckety-schmucks joking about boning little old ladies in California up the ass - referring metaphorically to the price of electricity.
So that's what they teach in MBA programs -- ECON 507 - Ass-fucking the Elderly For Fun and Profit [mostly profit]
We do have competition in the US but its mainly MBAs and higher executives trying to outdo each other on being bloated, rapacious, filthy, ass-fucking swine. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean increasing shareholder wealth...
When Websense's sole and advertised use is blocking and logging access by bias, I don't think calling it "filtering software" instead of "censoring software" makes much of an improvement.
Sure, you can call cigarettes "plant fiber cylinders" too, but that doesn't make them any healthier.
not saying filters aren't stupid/evil, cause they are. bits want to be free and all that
but the word "filter" seems to fit better than censor. the internet is still there after all, no websites were confiscated. no one was jailed for publishing. there is no armed authority forcing the removal of the bits from existence
if you're behind this filter that Websense makes you can't see what others can, like if you were behind a red light filter, there would be certain frequencies you can't see anymore. it doesn't mean that the light/data doesn't exist anymore. censors typically confiscate/destroy and Websense does neither
but to make this personal, if my employer but a red filter over all the lights, i'd probably quit - it'd be a health issue. but they put a filter over the internet and i don't care so much, not enough to quit. filtering is stupid, it hurts them more than they realize, but if i spent my time pointing out their stupid decisions, good god where would i start and where would i end...
i feel bad for the Yemeni's because they're being hurt by their government and they can't get unfiltered content at home. i still can for now. i dont' expect it to last
One of the major roadblocks in legalization was no field test for driving while impaired.
Yeah.. in addition to generations of fear-mongering and politicians without the cajones to appear "soft on crime".
Yep, it's just those politicians. It has nothing to do with citizens who would vote them out in a heartbeat for being soft. Has nothing to do with people without health insurance -insisting- the government -not- give them any health insurance. And a thousand other non-optimal memes floating around in the zeitgeist...
So there's your real enemy: stupidity. Good luck fixing that. We are in a very, very deep hole my friend. You can dump all the lawyers and politicians into that hole but it's much, much deeper than that.
I should probably jump into that hole myself. But, you know, it's just easier to point...
I hope it stays up forever. I've sent this link to some skepticismically-impaired folk, listened to them get all excited, then pulled the rug out.
They tend towards a lot of anger, but they do remember. Whenever the latest monosodium glutamate/sodium lauryl sulfate/random-scary-chemical-name baloney comes down the pike they either skip over me or I gently remind -- "So is this stuff as dangerous as dihydrogen monoxide?"
I raise my glass to DHMO.org -- may they live forever!
Irony indeed. This will certainly lose them a lot of customers...
As long as there continue to be Microsoft-leaning IT shops there will continue to be McAfee AV. We have this shite at work and it really gets a chubby going after Java and Firefox. It's like Steve Ballmer setup the config personally. McAfee is definitely carrying Microsoft's water for them. More like carrying buckets of piss to pour on anything non-MS. Our IT manager just loves this steaming pile.
Everything else in there which applies to "the people" applies to you.
I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that technically non-citizens are supposed to have certain rights. But the folks at the Department of Homeland Security haven't heard of these "rights" you speak of.
No one I've ever talked to can believe how awful it is to have to deal with DHS. If you get a paranoid case worker you're just fucked. Sure you can hire a lawyer but DHS closes ranks around their own and they sit in judgement of themselves. It's a pretty deep hole to climb out of if you're a non-citizen.
I could go on but until you've had some paranoid delusional psycho bitch with a gun screaming about "putting you people on the next flight out of here" you just wouldn't believe it. Not in America, we're not like that. Land of the free, home of the brave and shit...
good point. some soil scientists found resistant bacteria in the soil of farms just a few months after a particular antibiotic was released for farm use
and, oh yeah, antibiotics are approved for animal use years before they're approved for human use (in the USA). so by they time a new antibiotic is prescribed to humans its useful life has already been shortened
bacteria have about done me in several times already. we all have to go sometime but it gripes me that it'll be the greed of the cow people, and their customers of course, that'll speed my otherwise preventable end
yes, really. i'm sure that "in theory" javafx is just as good as adobe flex/air. in practice, i've yet to see javafx do anything except crap all over itself
Seriously, the company you work for does not exist to enrich your life. It exists to enrich the life of the owner(s). You are paid a stipend to perform labor because the owner(s) believe that your work will further enrich them.
when you put it like that, i just feel dirty. i'm a dirty, dirty whore. leave the money on the nightstand
At my last job, I wrote a perfectly good perl loader...
during my entire working life managers have been trying to replace "coders" with tools that don't need a skilled operator (just point and click!)
they (mgmt) probably were more interested in getting rid of their dependency on you (or someone like you) rather than just Perl
and i don't know if they're right or not. do companies with super-skilled cadres of developers always win out over competitors with retrained VB code monkeys?
often i hear about companies being taken over (i.e. they "lost") and the IT staff cannot believe how messed up the parent's IT infrastructure is
I believe it's called waterboarding in the Bush administration.
Why does everything have to lead back to the Bush Administration. Is your (and the GP's) hatred for Bush so great that there is no room left for true tyrants?
Bush is deserving of immense hatred. He is a true tyrant in his heart.
The fact that in two terms he didn't manage to completely dismantle American democracy speaks more to his general inability, and not to his true nature.
We complain because we still can. We say "Bush is like them (pointing at other tyrants), but we don't want to have government like them."
Would you be happier if we couldn't complain at all? Perhaps that's on the agenda, coming soon to an American reeducation camp near you. Is that what you want?
you're talking about rationalizing living spaces and production in order to squeeze more out of the system. oh super, let's turn the whole fucking planet into Walmart World. yeah, that'll be great
watch Soylent Green, let it soak in. when you 'optimize' everything the planet falls apart. it's already burning and you want to turn up the thermostat
nah, you might be able to prove how we can all exist Matrix-like by feeding the dead directly back into the system - i'll pass thanks. i'd rather live in a world worth living in - god help the next few generations
i love the idea of solar, wish i had the balls to do what you're doing
but if i move before break-even i believe i'm screwed, thinking the average buyer wouldn't add a nickel to the purchase price for a solar "improvement"
maybe that'll all work itself out in the next decade or so - hope so...
...
We should manufacture them instead of building them. Make them all alike. Cut the time to production and realize synergies both in creation and in fixing any problems that arise.
what is this "we" to which you refer? since when do "we" agree on anything, since when do "we" do anything as a society? my God, you're talking about COMMUNISM!
i can imagine the pitch on the Hill - "We'll rationalize production, which is exactly what the French did with their worldclass program!"
as soon as that other "F" word is uttered (remember Freedom Fries?) every doddering old fool on the Hill will shut his/her peasized brain off. they'll start thinking about their upcoming lunch with GE or Westinghouse and how they'd like to be a nuke lobbyist when they waltze out of Congress. then let the feeding frenzy at the trough of government waste get a very special oink on
... Then there is the utter clusterfuck of how things are done...
your summary of my working life was eerily familiar
i believe my next project will be developing a new ejection seat for my cube, one with enough force to hurl me through the nearby windows to, hopefully, my brief demise on the pavement below
knowing my management, it would be deemed too experimental - they'd never fund it
today's highlite was hearing about how we'll make our map software 508 compliant. in case, you know, some visually challenged individual would care to use that system to acquire a map. blind guy? map? funny?
fuck it, if i get enough momentum i'm pretty sure i can make it through the glass
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On the other hand, please pardon me for pointing out that the Gates meme is obsolete. Himself is off in Africa saving lives, so to speak.
I believe we're supposed to be hatin' on Ballmer and Jobs these days, not Saint Willum of Gates.
Agreed. First version of Windows that I can use in a desktop environment and can keep in running 24/7 for as long as I want. Months on end even.
Wow. What kind of crap hardware and/or software are you using ? I've been doing this happily since NT 4.0, in 1996.
What exactly is it that you've been doing happily since 1996? I've been weighed down by MS since before 1996 - can't say I've been happy about it at all.
I have to agree that Win7 is a usable, useful product. The _first_ I've come across in my long history with dealing with Microsoft, err, stuff. I've spent hundreds of hours mucking about with MS issues that I could not care less about. You know, things like going to a DOS prompt to change the extension on some files I wanted to move, because if I opened that folder in File Explorer, it would lock up the so-called operating system. Not that I'm bitter. Not that my blood pressure doesn't go up 20 points just thinking about it. Yeah, good times...
Perhaps you've been happy about tricking Windows into doing what you really wanted it to do? I know a guy who likes that process, while I consider it a waste of precious time that I can never get back.
But back to Win7. I got a wireless printer this week. My Mac recognized and used it without effort. My wife's Win7 box also just worked. Good for MS.
We happen to have a long-time Windows expert staying with us. He likes Windows also. And he's still trying to get XP to connect to the printer. When he finally tricks Windows XP into getting the job done, he'll feel really good about it. In the meantime, I just want to print my frakking documents and get on with life.
To each his own, I guess...
Wake up sheeple and see the truth before it's too late and we have iGovernment!
Steve Jobs as the unelected dictator of a new iMerica. This fanbois just had a massive iGasm.
Oh Steven, you complete me!
So tell me, Redmond whore, how much do you get paid to post here? Or are you just so pathetic you don't even receive money?
That's a very cutting comment. But it would seem to me that you've either attached it to the wrong post -or- you didn't read the parent post very carefully.
Or [*tinfoil hat on*] are you being paid by MS to make Linux defenders look rabid and stupid?
Unfortunately, the reality is that our IT support folks have little experience outside of MS products. Getting them training and experience would not be without cost. Any interoperability issues that came up would not be without cost. Those "extra" costs are going to be frowned on in a publicly funded organization - we're supposed to be frugal with the taxpayer's money :)
Bottom line, everybody here is going to have an MS desktop. Most of the servers are going to be running MS. It would be difficult for our management to compare the cost of paying MS licenses versus the cost of any disruptions that might come up from switching over to FOSS. They're going to push their thumb down hard on the scale when it comes to weighing disruptions. As in any bureaucracy in the USA, the slightest hint of "trouble" is like throwing a bucket of chum into the shark-tank. Can you really blame someone for not wanting to chum the waters and then dive right in?
On a positive note, we do have a couple of Linux servers for databases and web servers. The IT folks are getting used to them - they don't have to patch, reboot or otherwise fiddle with them as much as they do the MS servers. As others have pointed out, that kind of organic growth is productive over the long term.
Forgive and forget? Seems pretty short-sighted. I'm not sure I'd call murder a "mistake". An act like this *should* haunt the perpetrators for the rest of their lives.
Except for the guy they killed. Where's his freedom and chance?
Lastly, what about the victim's family and friends? How about their chances for normal lives without the murder of their loved-one haunting them. Some things cannot be forgiven and some things should definitely not be forgotten.
Your theory is fascinating but do you have any evidence that forgiveness is a bad thing? Does holding on to hatred and providing maximum punishment really help family and friends as you seem to be claiming?
Let us in America by no means learn anything from Germany. Let us continue to "kill the killers" because that's working out so well for us...
Maybe this handy pie chart will enlighten you. Hint: Maemo is in the grey slice.
Symbian phones belong in a "Not-that-smart-phone" category separate from the newer platforms. Sure, it was a great platform and is still useful, but it's legacy. We all know how newly-minted developers feel about legacy: junk/cruft/bloat -- throw it all away and build something new!!
Sweden is mostly woods and non-urban areas too, so why is it done better here?
In the US, our corporate executives have no shame whatsoever. Probably have no souls either.
I recall the Enron case where investigators obtained a recording of two schmuckety-schmucks joking about boning little old ladies in California up the ass - referring metaphorically to the price of electricity.
So that's what they teach in MBA programs -- ECON 507 - Ass-fucking the Elderly For Fun and Profit [mostly profit]
We do have competition in the US but its mainly MBAs and higher executives trying to outdo each other on being bloated, rapacious, filthy, ass-fucking swine. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean increasing shareholder wealth...
BRILLIANT!!!
When Websense's sole and advertised use is blocking and logging access by bias, I don't think calling it "filtering software" instead of "censoring software" makes much of an improvement. Sure, you can call cigarettes "plant fiber cylinders" too, but that doesn't make them any healthier.
not saying filters aren't stupid/evil, cause they are. bits want to be free and all that
but the word "filter" seems to fit better than censor. the internet is still there after all, no websites were confiscated. no one was jailed for publishing. there is no armed authority forcing the removal of the bits from existence
if you're behind this filter that Websense makes you can't see what others can, like if you were behind a red light filter, there would be certain frequencies you can't see anymore. it doesn't mean that the light/data doesn't exist anymore. censors typically confiscate/destroy and Websense does neither
but to make this personal, if my employer but a red filter over all the lights, i'd probably quit - it'd be a health issue. but they put a filter over the internet and i don't care so much, not enough to quit. filtering is stupid, it hurts them more than they realize, but if i spent my time pointing out their stupid decisions, good god where would i start and where would i end...
i feel bad for the Yemeni's because they're being hurt by their government and they can't get unfiltered content at home. i still can for now. i dont' expect it to last
Yeah.. in addition to generations of fear-mongering and politicians without the cajones to appear "soft on crime".
Yep, it's just those politicians. It has nothing to do with citizens who would vote them out in a heartbeat for being soft. Has nothing to do with people without health insurance -insisting- the government -not- give them any health insurance. And a thousand other non-optimal memes floating around in the zeitgeist...
So there's your real enemy: stupidity. Good luck fixing that. We are in a very, very deep hole my friend. You can dump all the lawyers and politicians into that hole but it's much, much deeper than that.
I should probably jump into that hole myself. But, you know, it's just easier to point...
Is bad is a pretty stupid reason to criminilize. Alochol is bad. Ciggaretes are bad.
Clearly you're pretty high right now.
I'm all for altered states, but I don't think you should post while you're in one. Just lie back, enjoy the music, look at the pretty colors.
Come back to the keyboard when you're sober enough to pick up on South Park-based sarcasm. And can spell.
I kid! Don't hate!
This site is still up for your reading pleasure. http://www.dhmo.org/
I hope it stays up forever. I've sent this link to some skepticismically-impaired folk, listened to them get all excited, then pulled the rug out.
They tend towards a lot of anger, but they do remember. Whenever the latest monosodium glutamate/sodium lauryl sulfate/random-scary-chemical-name baloney comes down the pike they either skip over me or I gently remind -- "So is this stuff as dangerous as dihydrogen monoxide?"
I raise my glass to DHMO.org -- may they live forever!
Now we're going to end up with Pepsi ads in orbit and hotels on the moon.
"Crackers Get Free Parking In San Francisco"
So, free parking for Jeff Foxworthy, Bill Engvall, Ron White, Larry the Cable Guy...
I kid, I kid...
Irony indeed. This will certainly lose them a lot of customers...
As long as there continue to be Microsoft-leaning IT shops there will continue to be McAfee AV. We have this shite at work and it really gets a chubby going after Java and Firefox. It's like Steve Ballmer setup the config personally. McAfee is definitely carrying Microsoft's water for them. More like carrying buckets of piss to pour on anything non-MS. Our IT manager just loves this steaming pile.
I'm sure you mean well, and I'm sure that technically non-citizens are supposed to have certain rights. But the folks at the Department of Homeland Security haven't heard of these "rights" you speak of.
No one I've ever talked to can believe how awful it is to have to deal with DHS. If you get a paranoid case worker you're just fucked. Sure you can hire a lawyer but DHS closes ranks around their own and they sit in judgement of themselves. It's a pretty deep hole to climb out of if you're a non-citizen.
I could go on but until you've had some paranoid delusional psycho bitch with a gun screaming about "putting you people on the next flight out of here" you just wouldn't believe it. Not in America, we're not like that. Land of the free, home of the brave and shit...
good point. some soil scientists found resistant bacteria in the soil of farms just a few months after a particular antibiotic was released for farm use
and, oh yeah, antibiotics are approved for animal use years before they're approved for human use (in the USA). so by they time a new antibiotic is prescribed to humans its useful life has already been shortened
bacteria have about done me in several times already. we all have to go sometime but it gripes me that it'll be the greed of the cow people, and their customers of course, that'll speed my otherwise preventable end
Oh, really?
yes, really. i'm sure that "in theory" javafx is just as good as adobe flex/air. in practice, i've yet to see javafx do anything except crap all over itself
Seriously, the company you work for does not exist to enrich your life. It exists to enrich the life of the owner(s). You are paid a stipend to perform labor because the owner(s) believe that your work will further enrich them.
when you put it like that, i just feel dirty. i'm a dirty, dirty whore. leave the money on the nightstand
At my last job, I wrote a perfectly good perl loader...
during my entire working life managers have been trying to replace "coders" with tools that don't need a skilled operator (just point and click!)
they (mgmt) probably were more interested in getting rid of their dependency on you (or someone like you) rather than just Perl
and i don't know if they're right or not. do companies with super-skilled cadres of developers always win out over competitors with retrained VB code monkeys?
often i hear about companies being taken over (i.e. they "lost") and the IT staff cannot believe how messed up the parent's IT infrastructure is
I believe it's called waterboarding in the Bush administration.
Why does everything have to lead back to the Bush Administration. Is your (and the GP's) hatred for Bush so great that there is no room left for true tyrants?
Bush is deserving of immense hatred. He is a true tyrant in his heart.
The fact that in two terms he didn't manage to completely dismantle American democracy speaks more to his general inability, and not to his true nature.
We complain because we still can. We say "Bush is like them (pointing at other tyrants), but we don't want to have government like them."
Would you be happier if we couldn't complain at all? Perhaps that's on the agenda, coming soon to an American reeducation camp near you. Is that what you want?
We're not over-populated...
you're talking about rationalizing living spaces and production in order to squeeze more out of the system. oh super, let's turn the whole fucking planet into Walmart World. yeah, that'll be great
watch Soylent Green, let it soak in. when you 'optimize' everything the planet falls apart. it's already burning and you want to turn up the thermostat
nah, you might be able to prove how we can all exist Matrix-like by feeding the dead directly back into the system - i'll pass thanks. i'd rather live in a world worth living in - god help the next few generations
Saving ~$700/month makes payback in ~8 years
i love the idea of solar, wish i had the balls to do what you're doing
but if i move before break-even i believe i'm screwed, thinking the average buyer wouldn't add a nickel to the purchase price for a solar "improvement"
maybe that'll all work itself out in the next decade or so - hope so...
... We should manufacture them instead of building them. Make them all alike. Cut the time to production and realize synergies both in creation and in fixing any problems that arise.what is this "we" to which you refer? since when do "we" agree on anything, since when do "we" do anything as a society? my God, you're talking about COMMUNISM!
i can imagine the pitch on the Hill - "We'll rationalize production, which is exactly what the French did with their worldclass program!"
as soon as that other "F" word is uttered (remember Freedom Fries?) every doddering old fool on the Hill will shut his/her peasized brain off. they'll start thinking about their upcoming lunch with GE or Westinghouse and how they'd like to be a nuke lobbyist when they waltze out of Congress. then let the feeding frenzy at the trough of government waste get a very special oink on
... Then there is the utter clusterfuck of how things are doneyour summary of my working life was eerily familiar
i believe my next project will be developing a new ejection seat for my cube, one with enough force to hurl me through the nearby windows to, hopefully, my brief demise on the pavement below
knowing my management, it would be deemed too experimental - they'd never fund it
today's highlite was hearing about how we'll make our map software 508 compliant. in case, you know, some visually challenged individual would care to use that system to acquire a map. blind guy? map? funny?
fuck it, if i get enough momentum i'm pretty sure i can make it through the glass