Actually, if you read through the article (finally found it), it was a Siemens engineer that claimed the thermal diode was the problem when the CPU fried on one of their boards. AMD was not consulted.
It could well be a case of passing the buck because they didn't want to blame their motherboard which may not have implemented support for the thermal diode properly. That's my conspiracy theory, anyway.
IIRC, the "exploding Athlon" problem was at least partly to do with a BIOS that could only deal with temperature changes of 1 degree/second, and simply lost the plot when the change was more dramatic.
If that was the case, a different BIOS should make a world of difference. Of course, I could be misremembering the details and I can't find the original article now...
It depends if installing a root kit counts as "personal use" or "distribution". If you constructed the kit from GPL code and made modifications then you're only obliged to release the code if you pass on the program.
It could be argued that installing a root kit on someone's machine is not distribution, since you don't intend that anyone else notice it. In this case, you don't need to release the source.
Of course, if you're a good person (and who isn't?) you'd just release the source. The GPL FAQ states that it's sufficient to only supply source in the same way you provide the binaries, so dumping the full source in an obscure directory (say, "/usr/share/fonts/...") on some machine you've cracked is probably sufficient to fulfill your obligations in this respect.
I think it's great that Mandrake is easy for non-Unix people to get into, but I like it for a slightly different reason.
I admin a bunch of SGI boxes, some NetBSD servers, a little Tru64 and a room full of RedHat machines.
When I get home, I don't want to be a sysadmin any more. I just want to click on the Unreal Tournament icon and kill some people. Mandrake lets me do that with minimal fuss. That's why I'm a fan.
>Not to start a flame war, but services aside,
>what's Nautilus got that Konqueror doesn't?
You're assuming someone would want KDE2 cluttering up thier drive if (like me) they're not a fan. I love my Gnome setup and am not interested in trading it in. I'm not trying to evangelise here, BTW. KDE2 looks great, but it's just not for me.
I'm glad there's a choice. Even if it duplicated Konqueror feature for feature, I'd still want it, because I don't want all the KDE/QT baggage required for the installation. I get my work done with Gnome. That's all I have ever required, and I've got it.
I'm looking forward to a stable Nautilus also because I'm REALLY finding gmc lacking, I must admit. But no more lacking than Explorer last time I had the pleasure of its company, and hell - I've got bash. My needs are met. Anything beyond is a bonus.
[from the article]
>the targeted material was related to Microsoft's
>.NET strategy, a sweeping plan to build the
>Internet into all its software.
How much disk space is THAT going to take up? Can't they just link to the Internet that's already there?
(Sorry, I'm in a weird mood today...)
Mir goes up, Mir goes down, Mir goes ...
on
Mir Lives
·
· Score: 1
It seems like every week there's another news story (not just on/., either) about how Mir is going to be fixed up, or brought down, where it'll crash, how it's falling apart or even who is investing money to keep it alive becuase we all know it's a great thing really.
> KDE does not contain any GNU software that is
> licensed by the Free Software Foundation.
Well, it's one less reason to insist on using the name GNU/Linux as opposed to just Linux. The FSF contribution to the OS as a whole, while substantial, is becoming less of a majority all the time.
This is probably flamebait, isn't it? Oh dear. But I really think it's true.
I can see one of two things happening when the data is revealed.
a) Results say "It's pretty bad" - people immediately buy earpieces and little rubber 'radiation stoppers' and carry on as before. 20 years later, people sue mobile phone companies for allowing them to buy these terrible dangerous devices.
b) Results say "It's pretty safe" - people immediately think that they're falsifying results, and things must be terrible indeed. Then do exactly the same as in case 'a'.
GNOME, for me, is the only way to go. I adore it. People in this forum have noted the similarities between it and the Windows environment, but there's a depth in GNOME that's not present in the MS desktops.
Yes, 'out of the box' it has a 'start' button, a taskbar, and even a little clock in the same place. But if you take a little time to experiment, you may notice that any part of it can be turned off. Other bits can be turned on. You actually have complete control (a startling revelation for some people).
What the GNOME people seem to have done is take all the popular ELEMENTS from the most popular GUIs and built them all as components that can be added in. You like a Mac interface better? Well all the pieces are there. Rearrange a few things, turn things on and off, and you've got one.
Think for a minute - GNOME seems to be all about accessability, so is it a surprise it defaults to looking a bit like a Win95 interface? Of course not. Show me a person who has a computer and doesn't have a clue how to drive Win95 these days. It's an ACCESSABLE interface, and quite good for a novice user to get the confidence to keep exploring and changing things.
What GNOME is growing into is a wonderful system where the elements that make any GUI great are all there, but it's up to the user to decide which bits are of value to them. If you like taskbars, have a taskbar. Virtual desktops, take them or leave them. Start menu, optional extra.
For me, this is the major strength with GNOME. It doesn't judge other systems. It embraces and extends.:)
Is it at all possible that the broadcasts ARE one-time pads for field agents, and not necessarily messages in their own right? Given that the source and destination are not known, it could be a way to provide the pads for a completely different method of communication. It'd be fairly secure, as long as there's no way for someone to link the station to say, a stream of messages posted to misc.test, wouldn't it?
OK - I've been waiting quite a while for a usable version of Evolution. Why? Because in order to cut over to Linux as my full time OS, I need to replace Outlook. Now you can all go on about how you love your Mutts and your Pines... cool. If you get your work done that way, good for you.
Personally, I've never seen anything better than Outlook for managing all my contacts, schedule and mail in one place. And Evolution looks like the thing I've been waiting for - a free version.
Hey, I object to Microsoft's existence as much as the next geek, but I do think they've got some of the best UI people. Fortunately, the GNOME folk aren't short on clues in this regard either.
So yeah - sue me. I like Outlook. I'm judging just on how well I can work with the software, not who distributes it. Pine has its place in the world, sure - but it's not on my PC.
OK - I'm rambling a bit. But suffice it to say I think Outlook is a pretty neat package, and Evolution is going to allow me to switch to Linux as my full-time OS. Win98 can go back to being the games platform it deserves to be. Flame me - I don't care. I just like Outlook, and I know I'm not alone.
Hey, it feels faster to me, but is that perhaps just because most people haven't caught up with the DNS changes and are going somewhere else? Have we lucky few just got a private slashdot server?
I'll reserve judgement until normal load is restored.:)
But hey - looks like a smooth changeover. Well done.
I got my little 'Open Circulation' CD in the mail just a couple of days ago, and have now had it running on my old Compaq Armada laptop for about 24 hours.
Now, I usually run my laptop on what started out as a RedHat 6 distribution, but has been heavily tweaked since. I use KDE by preference.
At first glance, Corel's hacked up Debian was really nice. The file manager was a definite plus - it worked flawlessly for me, browsing the NFS and Samba shares hanging off my household server. The old glitch that I got was when I accidentally clicked on the 'floppy' icon while the floppy drive wasn't in the machine.
kill -9 time. There didn't seem to be a 'nothing has happened yet' timeout.
Corel's patched KDE did address a lot of my pet hates in KDE though, such as not knowing when you've actually clicked on something. It was the 'switch the mouse pointer to "busy" briefly' path they chose, but it was a help. There were some other odds and ends that I found nice, which I hope get worked back into the core KDE code - but I'm not writing an essay here (I hope).
New nitpick - if you don't know your way around KDE and where to find all the files, I don't like your chances of adding new items to the 'start' menu. The KDE menu editor (which sucks, IMHO) isn't linked to the menu by default, and there are no pointers toward which bit of the filesystem holds all the.kdelnk files. BAD Corel. (If I'm wrong about this, please point out the error of my ways).
As for the underlying system, it did look a bit messy, but that could be my inexperience with Debian in general.:) I'm going back to RedHat... may the gods bless my copy of Ghost.
Summary: Corel have done a VERY excellent job on the UI side, and built a very nice file manager that I will try to work into my RedHat/KDE setup. The system itself has been neglected. I think they might have been better off just building a set of KDE packages that drop on top of a STANDARD Debian (or dare I say RedHat) system.
I'll give it a 6 out of 10, and I'm really interested in Corel Linux 2.0 if it happens. They have some great ideas...
Slashdot Mirror
Hey, I'm allowed to inventulate words if I want to!
Actually, if you read through the article (finally found it), it was a Siemens engineer that claimed the thermal diode was the problem when the CPU fried on one of their boards. AMD was not consulted.
It could well be a case of passing the buck because they didn't want to blame their motherboard which may not have implemented support for the thermal diode properly. That's my conspiracy theory, anyway.
IIRC, the "exploding Athlon" problem was at least partly to do with a BIOS that could only deal with temperature changes of 1 degree/second, and simply lost the plot when the change was more dramatic.
...
If that was the case, a different BIOS should make a world of difference. Of course, I could be misremembering the details and I can't find the original article now
A Slashdot editor correcting someone's spelling? This has got to be a sign of the apocalypse.
It'd be even weirder if there actually was a mistake though, and not just a regional difference. I guess the world's not going to end just yet.
I'll stick with Penix, thanks.
The Penix system uses interpreted BASIC for "Ease of Modification". Good move in my book. BASIC programmers are plentiful.
It depends if installing a root kit counts as "personal use" or "distribution". If you constructed the kit from GPL code and made modifications then you're only obliged to release the code if you pass on the program.
:)
It could be argued that installing a root kit on someone's machine is not distribution, since you don't intend that anyone else notice it. In this case, you don't need to release the source.
Of course, if you're a good person (and who isn't?) you'd just release the source. The GPL FAQ states that it's sufficient to only supply source in the same way you provide the binaries, so dumping the full source in an obscure directory (say, "/usr/share/fonts/...") on some machine you've cracked is probably sufficient to fulfill your obligations in this respect.
I'd love to see this get tested in court.
I think it's great that Mandrake is easy for non-Unix people to get into, but I like it for a slightly different reason.
I admin a bunch of SGI boxes, some NetBSD servers, a little Tru64 and a room full of RedHat machines.
When I get home, I don't want to be a sysadmin any more. I just want to click on the Unreal Tournament icon and kill some people. Mandrake lets me do that with minimal fuss. That's why I'm a fan.
More of my money is heading their way real soon.
I just submitted my ex-employer's open mail relay (which I'd told them about several times) to MAPS and ORBS.
Then I posted the server's IP address to Usenet.
>His children are certain to excel.
Surely they'd be more likely to gnumeric?
(sorry)
>Not to start a flame war, but services aside,
>what's Nautilus got that Konqueror doesn't?
You're assuming someone would want KDE2 cluttering up thier drive if (like me) they're not a fan. I love my Gnome setup and am not interested in trading it in. I'm not trying to evangelise here, BTW. KDE2 looks great, but it's just not for me.
I'm glad there's a choice. Even if it duplicated Konqueror feature for feature, I'd still want it, because I don't want all the KDE/QT baggage required for the installation. I get my work done with Gnome. That's all I have ever required, and I've got it.
I'm looking forward to a stable Nautilus also because I'm REALLY finding gmc lacking, I must admit. But no more lacking than Explorer last time I had the pleasure of its company, and hell - I've got bash. My needs are met. Anything beyond is a bonus.
[from the article]
...)
>the targeted material was related to Microsoft's
>.NET strategy, a sweeping plan to build the
>Internet into all its software.
How much disk space is THAT going to take up? Can't they just link to the Internet that's already there?
(Sorry, I'm in a weird mood today
It seems like every week there's another news story (not just on /., either) about how Mir is going to be fixed up, or brought down, where it'll crash, how it's falling apart or even who is investing money to keep it alive becuase we all know it's a great thing really.
Maybe the Mir folks should partner with Apple.
> KDE does not contain any GNU software that is
> licensed by the Free Software Foundation.
Well, it's one less reason to insist on using the name GNU/Linux as opposed to just Linux. The FSF contribution to the OS as a whole, while substantial, is becoming less of a majority all the time.
This is probably flamebait, isn't it? Oh dear. But I really think it's true.
>Wait.. something's missing in this article...
>Content?
I'm sorry, you've obviously mistaken this site for kuro5hin.
The story just moved to the archives ... it's now at http://www.bangkokpost.net/170800/170800_News03.ht ml.
In other news, this story has the world's most appropriately named company ...
I can see one of two things happening when the data is revealed.
a) Results say "It's pretty bad" - people immediately buy earpieces and little rubber 'radiation stoppers' and carry on as before. 20 years later, people sue mobile phone companies for allowing them to buy these terrible dangerous devices.
b) Results say "It's pretty safe" - people immediately think that they're falsifying results, and things must be terrible indeed. Then do exactly the same as in case 'a'.
Yeah, so I'm a cynical bastard.
GNOME, for me, is the only way to go. I adore it. People in this forum have noted the similarities between it and the Windows environment, but there's a depth in GNOME that's not present in the MS desktops.
:)
Yes, 'out of the box' it has a 'start' button, a taskbar, and even a little clock in the same place. But if you take a little time to experiment, you may notice that any part of it can be turned off. Other bits can be turned on. You actually have complete control (a startling revelation for some people).
What the GNOME people seem to have done is take all the popular ELEMENTS from the most popular GUIs and built them all as components that can be added in. You like a Mac interface better? Well all the pieces are there. Rearrange a few things, turn things on and off, and you've got one.
Think for a minute - GNOME seems to be all about accessability, so is it a surprise it defaults to looking a bit like a Win95 interface? Of course not. Show me a person who has a computer and doesn't have a clue how to drive Win95 these days. It's an ACCESSABLE interface, and quite good for a novice user to get the confidence to keep exploring and changing things.
What GNOME is growing into is a wonderful system where the elements that make any GUI great are all there, but it's up to the user to decide which bits are of value to them. If you like taskbars, have a taskbar. Virtual desktops, take them or leave them. Start menu, optional extra.
For me, this is the major strength with GNOME. It doesn't judge other systems. It embraces and extends.
Is it at all possible that the broadcasts ARE one-time pads for field agents, and not necessarily messages in their own right? Given that the source and destination are not known, it could be a way to provide the pads for a completely different method of communication. It'd be fairly secure, as long as there's no way for someone to link the station to say, a stream of messages posted to misc.test, wouldn't it?
OK - I've been waiting quite a while for a usable version of Evolution. Why? Because in order to cut over to Linux as my full time OS, I need to replace Outlook. Now you can all go on about how you love your Mutts and your Pines ... cool. If you get your work done that way, good for you.
Personally, I've never seen anything better than Outlook for managing all my contacts, schedule and mail in one place. And Evolution looks like the thing I've been waiting for - a free version.
Hey, I object to Microsoft's existence as much as the next geek, but I do think they've got some of the best UI people. Fortunately, the GNOME folk aren't short on clues in this regard either.
So yeah - sue me. I like Outlook. I'm judging just on how well I can work with the software, not who distributes it. Pine has its place in the world, sure - but it's not on my PC.
OK - I'm rambling a bit. But suffice it to say I think Outlook is a pretty neat package, and Evolution is going to allow me to switch to Linux as my full-time OS. Win98 can go back to being the games platform it deserves to be. Flame me - I don't care. I just like Outlook, and I know I'm not alone.
Hey, it feels faster to me, but is that perhaps just because most people haven't caught up with the DNS changes and are going somewhere else? Have we lucky few just got a private slashdot server?
:)
I'll reserve judgement until normal load is restored.
But hey - looks like a smooth changeover. Well done.
I got my little 'Open Circulation' CD in the mail just a couple of days ago, and have now had it running on my old Compaq Armada laptop for about 24 hours.
.kdelnk files. BAD Corel.
:) I'm going back to RedHat ... may the gods bless my copy of Ghost.
...
Now, I usually run my laptop on what started out as a RedHat 6 distribution, but has been heavily tweaked since. I use KDE by preference.
At first glance, Corel's hacked up Debian was really nice. The file manager was a definite plus - it worked flawlessly for me, browsing the NFS and Samba shares hanging off my household server. The old glitch that I got was when I accidentally clicked on the 'floppy' icon while the floppy drive wasn't in the machine.
kill -9 time. There didn't seem to be a 'nothing has happened yet' timeout.
Corel's patched KDE did address a lot of my pet hates in KDE though, such as not knowing when you've actually clicked on something. It was the 'switch the mouse pointer to "busy" briefly' path they chose, but it was a help. There were some other odds and ends that I found nice, which I hope get worked back into the core KDE code - but I'm not writing an essay here (I hope).
New nitpick - if you don't know your way around KDE and where to find all the files, I don't like your chances of adding new items to the 'start' menu. The KDE menu editor (which sucks, IMHO) isn't linked to the menu by default, and there are no pointers toward which bit of the filesystem holds all the
(If I'm wrong about this, please point out the error of my ways).
As for the underlying system, it did look a bit messy, but that could be my inexperience with Debian in general.
Summary: Corel have done a VERY excellent job on the UI side, and built a very nice file manager that I will try to work into my RedHat/KDE setup. The system itself has been neglected. I think they might have been better off just building a set of KDE packages that drop on top of a STANDARD Debian (or dare I say RedHat) system.
I'll give it a 6 out of 10, and I'm really interested in Corel Linux 2.0 if it happens. They have some great ideas