Wow, i'm really disheartened by this. i was impressed by Real's moves to give the customer what they wanted (ie all the recent changes...less crap, easier to find free version, etc). So impressed that i was even considering taking (getting?) a position with them in Seattle doing programming. Now, i'm not feeling warm and fuzzy. i'm feeling anxious.
Real was poised, in my mind, to perhaps become a darling of FOSS if they were to open up somethings, provide some code, help, etc....but, this is just not a good move. i generally feel Apple is a Good (tm) company (for the most part) and they really don't need this from Real. They said no. No means no, it does not mean do it anyway. Technically, there have been arguments that Real is doing nothing wrong, but it feels more.....how you say....just, bad faith, bad form to me.
Sorry Real, i expected more in light of your recent good moves. *sigh* Crap.
"It's nice to see yet more contributions from Apple to the OSS community."
Right on, brother. (This is not bashing apple before i get started!) They have done something that no one else in the *nix world has done: shit-hot gui. People can blather about this and that, but to deny that Apple has created one of the most user-friendly, beautiful, slick gui's for *nix is crazy. I'd like to continue seeing Apple release more help to OSS. Keep the real money makers to themselves (for now), but allow more dev's to release usefull changes back to the community that helped build it ya know?
You are 100% correct that it's nice to see them making another move like this...even if it was a lil' one:)
Well, nothing can match the tactile feel of pages in your hand. It's just something that i will always like.
Now, for reading docs on a computer screen (ebooks included), i wouldn't have thought i'd ever like it much....until i got dual displays. One for holding whatever i was reading and one for doing whatever i was doing. It's made my life much easier. i still don't really enjoy reading a book on screen though. Just something about it i don't like.
Maybe it's just me, but when i get a really, really, really tough bug, i'll print out the code and go for a walk, reading the code with pen in hand. Dunno why that helps sometimes, but it sure has solved some very sticky stuff for me in the past. i might be just odd though;)
It's not terribly shocking that a CEO of a software company might say this. What i'm worried about is when Microsoft is against the wall and pumps billions of dollars into congressional lobbying to get Open Source labeled "terrorist tool". Think they won't? Put an animal against the wall and in danger and you will see ferocity never imagined from that animal. See also: Survival Instinct. Write your congress persons now. Do not wait. Be polite. Get your facts straight. Do not rant and rave. Write and write again. Call. Now is the time.
It says "a judge in Utah", not the Supreme Court or anything...hell, not even the state SC.
Please don't blather about precedent, this shit won't stand in the court of a judge that can read and write English. Mountains of Molehills. Don't worry and quit installing every little piece of fluffy shit that comes down the pipe.
NO. You don't neeeeed Kazzaaahahaa (or any of the other 80 p2p with fucking stupid names). Use trusted torrents. NO. You don't neeeeed gator. Fucking play some memory games or something. Use Firefox.
You know the list goes on and on, but this is so retarded that i can't write anymore. This will blow over and be forgotten news of yesterday before you know it.
i have to commend you on that comment, nice work. Level, honest, and ready to fight:) i do have to relay a thought that has been gnawing at the back of my mind. i think we've yet to see the "survival instinct" of MS kick in yet. They are a large beast and slow moving because of it. i am a bit concerned about what happens when they stop pussyfooting around and go all out, bet-your-company-ibm-style in war on linux. That will be quite interesting to see.
i'm no expert, but damn, i do think we've yet to see the death throwes. Sun is closer and still hasn't gone completely bonkers (yet). Disclaimer, i do love Sun, but you gotta let 'em go sometimes:( heh.
Anyway, back to my point: excellent writing and points. i'm keeping a copy; you mind if i distribute pieces and parts (of course with proper acknowledgement!)?
No karma bonus, because it's you that i want to read this!:)
Sure, right after you stop using words that you cannot spell correctly in your pseudo-elitist comments. Moving on.
There are more than just a few places to pick up signals from a computer. LCD is not going to save your ass. Eyes perhaps, ass no. Besides, i'm typing this answer to your moronic comment on a laptop that has, you got it, LCD (imagine that). See you around.
wrong answer. Go ahead and make me a list of universally trustworthy entities. By that i mean, REGARDLESS of your race, nationality, creed, religion, past, political alliance, dogma, etc...and still remains trustworthy.
You've forgotten, not everyone on this earth likes you and you will not always be on the most powerful side, nor the "right side" as that seems to follow the power.
Uh, when's the last time you had the electrons from your monitor's gun encrypted on the way to the screen? Right, never. That's what i thought...there are many, many forms of RF that can give away what it is that you are doing on a computer...encryption is only the beginning of the game.
For sometime i've wanted to have my main workstation off the network, grid and inside a faraday cage. But think about how ridiculous that would be/look? The other machines in the house would be okay to leave alone, but i'd want at least one that i knew was safe (data transfers would be on extreme need only, i.e. data sets into and encrypted messeges written inside).
But i'm getting away from my original point: this is sweetness. No, it's not exactly what i'm looking for, but it's a stop in the correct direction. Think you've never had a neighbor whom owns a 900MHz scanner? Anyway, i think this is great. You and i both know that information, its protection, secure dissemenation, and reliability of said information are the weapons of the upcoming century. You need to have your data safe whether you think so or not, so the more things like this the better.
But really, what would be wrong with an approach similar to that of lightning: probe routes quickly, caching along the way, then using the shortest-path algorithm (or some such) to choose which path to "solidify" for a bursted data transfer?
Yeah, i'm half talkin out of my ass there, but ya know, sometimes good ideas show up that way;-)
Oh yeah, the other prob with that, wouldn't it need lots of network traffic and ram just to maintain a network of path/nodes/phones/whatever?
Okay, i am a linux user of several years. Mostly Red Hat, but i've had Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo at various times, but never Slack or Debian.
i'm told it doesn't get more stable than Debian Stable, but i normally hear people say Slack is hard to install or hard to work with. Why is that? And can someone please clear that up for me? i'm not trolling, i just don't know enough about Slack to see why people would want to run it. Is it small and fast and just less "junk" to worry about for security reasons? Help me out!
heh, i've also heard Slack mentioned amidst some rather colorful expletives (i know the feeling though:(
" Bluetooth isn't even intended for networking, it's intended for wireless communication with devices."
Help me out real quick. What is networking if not for enable communication with other devices? i don't give a damn if it's using a different tech or protocol or medium....it's networking. Thought you'd see it differently.
Yep. My girlfriend (out of college) has used Yahoo mail for several years. i cannot even come close to convincing her to change to any other service; not even our ISP's (cox cable) mail with huge storage and even after showing her she can use Thunderbird, Evolution, or others....she likes yahoo, uses yahoo, trusts the spam guards and to tell you the truth about the whole ordeal, the reason she won't change: Yahoo is just there...regardless of where you are, what ISP you are using (no one has banned yahoo yet have they!? heh:). i see her point on that one. My tune may change now that i've graduated (computer engineering) and my school acounts will go away (like i'd give those bastards more money to keep my "vanity" school email account open!:) We shall see. i'll tell you one thing though, we do NOT use the same services for email and for searching, so no gMail for me:(
" You seem to miss out on one thing: gmail isn't even publicly available yet."
And you seem to be missing the huge buzz going on about gMail. Big deal if it's not open yet, doesn't make any of the others that are behind any less behind.
Look at it this way, if you have "good enough" product, but know that a competitor has one much, much, much, much better in the works (beta) AND you aren't working your ass off to beat them, then you are doomed for failure and not very bright to begin with.
So yes, everyone IS behind gMail wrt to online email.
Hrm...tough choice, i'd say. Heh, they are all going to be playing catch-up to Google for a bit anyway; hopefully we can see more (and better) deals in light of google bringing us such great things (like so many other company's have decided not to do, instead money-grubbing and pulling and biting and lying to get another dollar from you.
" DotGNU has about 5-6 developers working on everything:)... lend a hand..."
You know, i just might. i've recently graduated with a computer engineering degree and am rather enjoying my evenings to myself, but have been thinking of which, if not my own, open source project i would like to give some time to. i've used the work of thousands over the short time i've used linux, i figure, i'd be my right place to give something back. So, today i'll look into the DotGNU and see if that's where i'd like to put my time. Thanks!
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Wow, i'm really disheartened by this. i was impressed by Real's moves to give the customer what they wanted (ie all the recent changes...less crap, easier to find free version, etc). So impressed that i was even considering taking (getting?) a position with them in Seattle doing programming. Now, i'm not feeling warm and fuzzy. i'm feeling anxious.
Real was poised, in my mind, to perhaps become a darling of FOSS if they were to open up somethings, provide some code, help, etc....but, this is just not a good move. i generally feel Apple is a Good (tm) company (for the most part) and they really don't need this from Real. They said no. No means no, it does not mean do it anyway. Technically, there have been arguments that Real is doing nothing wrong, but it feels more.....how you say....just, bad faith, bad form to me.
Sorry Real, i expected more in light of your recent good moves. *sigh* Crap.
"It's nice to see yet more contributions from Apple to the OSS community."
:)
Right on, brother. (This is not bashing apple before i get started!) They have done something that no one else in the *nix world has done: shit-hot gui. People can blather about this and that, but to deny that Apple has created one of the most user-friendly, beautiful, slick gui's for *nix is crazy. I'd like to continue seeing Apple release more help to OSS. Keep the real money makers to themselves (for now), but allow more dev's to release usefull changes back to the community that helped build it ya know?
You are 100% correct that it's nice to see them making another move like this...even if it was a lil' one
Well, nothing can match the tactile feel of pages in your hand. It's just something that i will always like.
;)
Now, for reading docs on a computer screen (ebooks included), i wouldn't have thought i'd ever like it much....until i got dual displays. One for holding whatever i was reading and one for doing whatever i was doing. It's made my life much easier. i still don't really enjoy reading a book on screen though. Just something about it i don't like.
Maybe it's just me, but when i get a really, really, really tough bug, i'll print out the code and go for a walk, reading the code with pen in hand. Dunno why that helps sometimes, but it sure has solved some very sticky stuff for me in the past. i might be just odd though
It's not terribly shocking that a CEO of a software company might say this. What i'm worried about is when Microsoft is against the wall and pumps billions of dollars into congressional lobbying to get Open Source labeled "terrorist tool". Think they won't? Put an animal against the wall and in danger and you will see ferocity never imagined from that animal. See also: Survival Instinct. Write your congress persons now. Do not wait. Be polite. Get your facts straight. Do not rant and rave. Write and write again. Call. Now is the time.
"First of all I don't think it would be an easy port to make considering how M$likes to intermingle it's OS with it's applications."
While part of that is true, i'd like to bring to your attention the nice, shiny boxes that hold MS Office for OSX.
how about increasing fuel efficiency? (yes, even more.
or making them safer (fundementally instead of bigger and heavier)
or better communication integration for the ever-pressed-to-the-ear cell phones
or better collision avoidance systems
or making headlights that can be "ub3r" that don't blind everyone on the road
Yeah, making sure the car has emotions and becomes more distracting is a stellar idea. Yesh.
Forgot my sig had my own link in it and have had to wait SillyDot to let me post again (2 min).
Here.
It says "a judge in Utah", not the Supreme Court or anything...hell, not even the state SC.
Please don't blather about precedent, this shit won't stand in the court of a judge that can read and write English. Mountains of Molehills. Don't worry and quit installing every little piece of fluffy shit that comes down the pipe.
NO. You don't neeeeed Kazzaaahahaa (or any of the other 80 p2p with fucking stupid names). Use trusted torrents.
NO. You don't neeeeed gator. Fucking play some memory games or something. Use Firefox.
You know the list goes on and on, but this is so retarded that i can't write anymore. This will blow over and be forgotten news of yesterday before you know it.
i have to commend you on that comment, nice work. Level, honest, and ready to fight :) i do have to relay a thought that has been gnawing at the back of my mind. i think we've yet to see the "survival instinct" of MS kick in yet. They are a large beast and slow moving because of it. i am a bit concerned about what happens when they stop pussyfooting around and go all out, bet-your-company-ibm-style in war on linux. That will be quite interesting to see.
:( heh.
:)
i'm no expert, but damn, i do think we've yet to see the death throwes. Sun is closer and still hasn't gone completely bonkers (yet). Disclaimer, i do love Sun, but you gotta let 'em go sometimes
Anyway, back to my point: excellent writing and points. i'm keeping a copy; you mind if i distribute pieces and parts (of course with proper acknowledgement!)?
No karma bonus, because it's you that i want to read this!
"then stop using depricated DRT technology.."
Sure, right after you stop using words that you cannot spell correctly in your pseudo-elitist comments. Moving on.
There are more than just a few places to pick up signals from a computer. LCD is not going to save your ass. Eyes perhaps, ass no. Besides, i'm typing this answer to your moronic comment on a laptop that has, you got it, LCD (imagine that). See you around.
wrong answer. Go ahead and make me a list of universally trustworthy entities. By that i mean, REGARDLESS of your race, nationality, creed, religion, past, political alliance, dogma, etc...and still remains trustworthy.
You've forgotten, not everyone on this earth likes you and you will not always be on the most powerful side, nor the "right side" as that seems to follow the power.
"Why not just encrypt?"
Uh, when's the last time you had the electrons from your monitor's gun encrypted on the way to the screen? Right, never. That's what i thought...there are many, many forms of RF that can give away what it is that you are doing on a computer...encryption is only the beginning of the game.
For sometime i've wanted to have my main workstation off the network, grid and inside a faraday cage. But think about how ridiculous that would be/look? The other machines in the house would be okay to leave alone, but i'd want at least one that i knew was safe (data transfers would be on extreme need only, i.e. data sets into and encrypted messeges written inside).
But i'm getting away from my original point: this is sweetness. No, it's not exactly what i'm looking for, but it's a stop in the correct direction. Think you've never had a neighbor whom owns a 900MHz scanner? Anyway, i think this is great. You and i both know that information, its protection, secure dissemenation, and reliability of said information are the weapons of the upcoming century. You need to have your data safe whether you think so or not, so the more things like this the better.
But really, what would be wrong with an approach similar to that of lightning: probe routes quickly, caching along the way, then using the shortest-path algorithm (or some such) to choose which path to "solidify" for a bursted data transfer?
;-)
Yeah, i'm half talkin out of my ass there, but ya know, sometimes good ideas show up that way
Oh yeah, the other prob with that, wouldn't it need lots of network traffic and ram just to maintain a network of path/nodes/phones/whatever?
Excellent, that was the type of answer i was after. i think i'll give Slack a shot this weekend, thank you.
Who says you can't learn a thing or two on Slashdot eh?
Okay, i am a linux user of several years. Mostly Red Hat, but i've had Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo at various times, but never Slack or Debian.
:(
i'm told it doesn't get more stable than Debian Stable, but i normally hear people say Slack is hard to install or hard to work with. Why is that? And can someone please clear that up for me? i'm not trolling, i just don't know enough about Slack to see why people would want to run it. Is it small and fast and just less "junk" to worry about for security reasons? Help me out!
heh, i've also heard Slack mentioned amidst some rather colorful expletives (i know the feeling though
" Bluetooth isn't even intended for networking, it's intended for wireless communication with devices."
Help me out real quick. What is networking if not for enable communication with other devices? i don't give a damn if it's using a different tech or protocol or medium....it's networking. Thought you'd see it differently.
You network anything, it will be used by for shady purposes by unscrupulous folk. Think about that for a minute.
Yep. My girlfriend (out of college) has used Yahoo mail for several years. i cannot even come close to convincing her to change to any other service; not even our ISP's (cox cable) mail with huge storage and even after showing her she can use Thunderbird, Evolution, or others....she likes yahoo, uses yahoo, trusts the spam guards and to tell you the truth about the whole ordeal, the reason she won't change: Yahoo is just there...regardless of where you are, what ISP you are using (no one has banned yahoo yet have they!? heh :). i see her point on that one. My tune may change now that i've graduated (computer engineering) and my school acounts will go away (like i'd give those bastards more money to keep my "vanity" school email account open! :) We shall see. i'll tell you one thing though, we do NOT use the same services for email and for searching, so no gMail for me :(
" You seem to miss out on one thing: gmail isn't even publicly available yet."
And you seem to be missing the huge buzz going on about gMail. Big deal if it's not open yet, doesn't make any of the others that are behind any less behind.
Look at it this way, if you have "good enough" product, but know that a competitor has one much, much, much, much better in the works (beta) AND you aren't working your ass off to beat them, then you are doomed for failure and not very bright to begin with.
So yes, everyone IS behind gMail wrt to online email.
Hrm...tough choice, i'd say. Heh, they are all going to be playing catch-up to Google for a bit anyway; hopefully we can see more (and better) deals in light of google bringing us such great things (like so many other company's have decided not to do, instead money-grubbing and pulling and biting and lying to get another dollar from you.
i saw it too. They also claim that Flash ads aren't being run too. Nice eh?
k. i'll bite. Please check those that apply to you:
[] i like loud, obnoxious shock-jocks that aren't qualified to make any social commentary beyond the fact that they have a mouth...a loud one.
[] i like crappy, teenybopper-14-yr-old songs.
[] i like to hear the 400000 times a day....
[] i LOVE shitty radio commercials that run all day long...
the list goes on from there.....shut up and don't listen, don't give and get lost.
" DotGNU has about 5-6 developers working on everything :)... lend a hand ..."
You know, i just might. i've recently graduated with a computer engineering degree and am rather enjoying my evenings to myself, but have been thinking of which, if not my own, open source project i would like to give some time to. i've used the work of thousands over the short time i've used linux, i figure, i'd be my right place to give something back. So, today i'll look into the DotGNU and see if that's where i'd like to put my time. Thanks!