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Worm Developed for Nokia Series-60 Phones

Tuxedo Jack writes "It had to happen. The first worm designed specifically for cellular phones has been developed, and Cabir appears to be a way of effectively killing Nokia Series-60 cellular phones via shortening the battery life due to scanning for nearby Bluetooth devices and propagating itself. This still relies on a user to open it, so hopefully that won't be many, and those that do must use a file manager to find and kill the worm. At least it isn't a dialer!"

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  1. Dangerous Potential by CommanderData · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It had to happen sooner or later, with people predicting the cell phone will be your next computer.

    I guess Series 60 phone owners should be thankful that it just drains battery life. What if the worm sent 80,012 text messages to everyone in your contact list! Imagine the cell network congestion and billing chaos that would ensue... Lets hope cell phone manufacturers start tweaking their phone OSes to prevent that kind of disaster in the future!

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    1. Re:Dangerous Potential by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm just wondering how long it will be until they figure out how to use a cell phone as a spam relay...

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    2. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine the cell network congestion and billing chaos that would ensue...

      If a cell phone company didn't remove the charges immediately and w/o question I would be rather upset. Most people get a cell phone w/their service. What are they going to do blame you for listening to their salesman?

    3. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess Series 60 phone owners should be thankful that it just drains battery life. What if the worm sent 80,012 [slashdot.org] text messages to everyone in your contact list!

      I think the last decade of viruses have shown us that this kind of behaviour is fairly rare. Worms that spread and spread well usually do some subtle task that rarely directly affects the user, but en-masse can do a great amount of work. Sending spams, harvesting email addresses, DDoSing companies. It's all activity that subtly gains someone else something. A purely descructive PC worm is a rare thing

      And these Cellphone ones will be no different, I'll guess. Perhaps they'll call some sex line to get the owners some extra calls. Once a week a $5 call... I know many cell owners who wouldn't notice that, but it's extra money in the operator's pocket.

    4. Re:Dangerous Potential by CommanderData · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would agree that silently spreading could work to it's advantage. If you combine the two concepts with a time-bomb that causes the code to execute at a certain future date it could be even more of a problem. Every cell tower everywhere overloaded with messaging and calls on April 1st, 2005 for example.

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    5. Re:Dangerous Potential by Mad_Rain · · Score: 0

      I wonder who wrote this virus: Someone disgruntled by cell phones going off in the movie theater, so they kill the battery life to keep it from ringing something obnoxious ... I know who it is! Quick! Arrest every /.er! ;)

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    6. Re:Dangerous Potential by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess it won't be long till we see text message spam offering Norton/McAfee/etc... Anti-Virus software for phones.

      As you've said, the worm could be the first part of a more elaborate plan. As the anti-spam and anti-virus companies get more sophisticated, the spammers and virus writers keep ahead.

    7. Re:Dangerous Potential by dave1791 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about a worm that set the phone to silent mode or whatever they are calling the "beep just once, shut up and vibrate" mode these days? There would actually a worm with a noble purpose.

    8. Re:Dangerous Potential by mikael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fortunately, people are discarding their old mobile phones, and buying new ones every six months. At least, users aren't able to save application programs in SIM card memory. I always wonder why thin client mobile phones (where everything is stored on a server, rather than on the phone itself) haven't taken off.

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    9. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Its amazing how many people do have their phones set to be discoverable. There was a survey about it and how many men verus women are guilty here: PDF

    10. Re:Dangerous Potential by bcmm · · Score: 1
      Lets hope cell phone manufacturers start tweaking their phone OSes to prevent that kind of disaster in the future!

      Or lets hope that everyone starts tweaking their OSes to prevent that kind of disaster in the future!
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    11. Re:Dangerous Potential by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My Mod points if I had'em

      I was thinking the same thing, as you enter the theater Bluetooth turns your phone to vibrate only, and as you leave it checks to see if it was turned off via Bluetooth and re-enables the previous setting.

      Great idea that probably won't ever take off due to security concerns.

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    12. Re:Dangerous Potential by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With the capabilities of some phones, such malware could be used to send untraceable junk faxes, spam, dDoMS (multiple services), telemarketing to numbers on the donotcall list (and gathering unlisted cell phone numbers for marketing), defeating legal phone taps, even distributed wardialing to find that elusive number for Protovision.

      Whatever nefarious purpose which would require laundering your identity onto another unwitting victim could be done with a worm infecting cell phones, especially if it can spread quickly without user interaction and can establish a channel to listen to for orders (a hacked website). We're not there yet, but it won't be much longer.

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    13. Re:Dangerous Potential by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well that way I couldn't play my games or look up numbers when I don't have service, which currently is a good portion of time.

    14. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      All it would have to do is send a 5 cent [single character] text message every 5 minutes a day, then immediately delete it from the 'outbox'. Very low traffic..

      24 hours $14.40
      1 month $720.00

      -dp

    15. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's some interesting potential. A distributed network via cell phones. There are several billion out there, and they aren't all used at once, so why not put them to use? Another idea is instead of doing that as a virus, do it as freeware. dnet would be helped ALOT by that

    16. Re:Dangerous Potential by slittle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Simply have an option that will allow the ringer to simply be suppressed so long as the Bluetooth single is present.

      That saves the bother of turning anything on and off (and possibly missing it on the way out), as well as requiring script kiddies to actually follow you around rather than fire and forget.

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    17. Re:Dangerous Potential by slittle · · Score: 1

      Err... try again...

      Simply have an option that will just allow the ringer to be suppressed so long as the Bluetooth signal is present.

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    18. Re:Dangerous Potential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im glad the article says the following

      Systems Not Affected:
      DOS, Linux, Macintosh, Novell Netware, OS/2, UNIX, Windows 2000, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP

      This time tey're not the target so there's still hope for Mickeysoft.

    19. Re:Dangerous Potential by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

      Since the article says the worm attacks any device with Bluetooth, how long will it be before cellphones become the popular way to disseminate viruses to computers? (Just walk by a guy using a laptop and _BAM_ he's infected!) };-P

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    20. Re:Dangerous Potential by packeteer · · Score: 1

      My plan (from verizon) is $5 a month extra for unlimited txt messages and i know many other providers do the same thing.

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    21. Re:Dangerous Potential by asb · · Score: 1

      Because the network is slow.

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    22. Re:Dangerous Potential by Refrag · · Score: 1

      A few companies have already been started based off of this idea.

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  2. Site is down... by Mz6 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well... I couldn't get the Symantec site to come up.. Is Anyone else having similar problems?

    After searching Google news and other sources I could not find a similar story anywhere besides this similar story posted on ZDnet Australia. The only problem is that it was dated back 10 February 2004. Not sure if it's the same story... or same worm but worth a read for those that cannot get out to Symantec.

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    1. Re:Site is down... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 1, Funny

      10 February 2004

      That's my birthday... coincidence? I think not.

      Now I just need to figure out which of my many admirers would write a cell phone worm as a gift for me.

    2. Re:Site is down... by mhesseltine · · Score: 1
      Well... I couldn't get the Symantec site to come up.. Is Anyone else having similar problems?

      After searching Google news and other sources I could not find a similar story anywhere besides this similar story posted on ZDnet Australia. The only problem is that it was dated back 10 February 2004. Not sure if it's the same story... or same worm but worth a read for those that cannot get out to Symantec.

      While technically Offtopic for this discussion, since you asked; someone in my LUG mentioned having a problem resolving Google, Yahoo, etc. It turns out that Akamai is having a little hiccup.

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    3. Re:Site is down... by donnyspi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, you type very well for a 4 month old :-)

    4. Re:Site is down... by mgs1000 · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that you are a Series 60 Worm?

  3. K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by ack154 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'd just like to say that this is why it's still nice to have a phone with relatively limited features - well, that and it's a Motorola (T720). I don't have to worry about the Bluetooth stuff, and I don't even have web access activated on it.

    Also, according to the SARC article linked - this worm will attack any bluetooth device that it finds in it's range - not just phones - SARC uses a printer as an example, but what about those nice bluetooth mice/keyboards and PDAs, etc?

    They have an image of the phone with the message displayed on it too.

    1. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by boskone · · Score: 5, Informative

      umm, the t720 is a hugely complicated phone. It can browse the web, display pictures, play games. I would not classify it as "basic" even though newer phones do more.

      as an aside, does yours ever lock up so hard that you have to pop the battery out to reset it?

    2. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 3, Funny
      but what about those nice bluetooth mice/keyboards and PDAs, etc? PDAs I would think so, but doesn't a device need some sort of OS to get infected?

      the again, maybe thats why my mouse will be in a different spot in the morning than where I left it the night before, plus I'm noticing more LCD droppings. maybe he has a Virus?

    3. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. This is why I like my phone sort of stupid. I've got an older Nokia that is only a bit smarter than what's required to function as a phone.

    4. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by dyefade · · Score: 1

      You're right, which is a shame. I just bought a Sagem myx-7, and love allt the features on it (sans 'tooth though). I don't want, in the future, to have to sacrifice feaures and connectivity for the sake of security, that's a backward way of working. I'm sure that as this stuff gets more common more fixes will appear, just like they have for regular PCs.

    5. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 2, Funny

      yeah, my t720 came bundled with a virus

    6. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by Umrick · · Score: 1
      as an aside, does yours ever lock up so hard that you have to pop the battery out to reset it?

      Good. I'm not crazy. Both mine and my wife's T720 lock hard, usually while charging from wall outlet (never charging in car), both are plugged into surge suppressors. Ah well, only another year on the contract...
    7. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by ack154 · · Score: 1

      Ya, I know it's not really basic, but compared to some of the phones out there, it's still pretty simple. It's a nice phone though, I like it.

      As for locking up - it just did once this past weekend after the battery died and I charged it up. It was in a "sort of turned on" state and I had to take the battery out to get it up.

    8. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by hpulley · · Score: 1

      How's this for a simple phone, I still use a Nokia 2160! Can't send text messages, no 'tooh' of any colour, no web access, no camera. Just a phone, how about that! I can talk into it, which is why I use it. Digital/analog with an extendable antenna. The keys are large enough to press them (singly), and it is obvious what they do with minimal multi-function keys.

      It is large and heavy (the long life battery alone is larger and heavier than most modern phones) but it works well for a long time and there is no chance that I'll lose it in my ear or send it through the wash by accident.

      Security by obsolescence is not a good policy but I suspect that few if any could program a worm for this old thing.

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    9. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by the_mad_poster · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had to take the battery out to get it up.

      One of us is one seriously sick bastard.

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    10. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by the+MaD+HuNGaRIaN · · Score: 1

      I hear luddism is making a comeback.

      You sound like my uncle. "Back when I was your age, we didn't have all this fancy fuel injection and ABS and we got by just fine. Who needs a computer to run a car?"

      Then his dad would pipe up and say "Car? In my day, we hooked up the horse to the buggy and we got by just fine!"

    11. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by eoyount · · Score: 1

      Mine locks up, too. Almost everytime I fully charge it now. I've had it since April 2003. I heard there's a firmware update that might help, but I would have to go to Verizon and beg them to do it for me.

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    12. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Stick to the soup cans and string.

    13. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could DoS your keyboard and then you wouldn't be able to alkjfahbdg,mqwen gq;rargad ....

    14. Re:K.I.S.S. - simplicity is key by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 1

      I've had the T720c since launch, and although it definitely has its quirks, it's not too bad of a phone. I've never had a problem getting the firmware upped by VZW (just walk in and ask, it's free); in fact, the first time I did it (going from 19D to 22E) the dude behind the counter swapped it for refurb because it was scratched and had some missing pixels on the external display. The latest firmware (45p) is the same as on the T730 and is pretty stable. Although if I ever want to lock out my phone, all I have to do is plug it in and set an appointment. Just let it go off and sit for a few minutes without opening it; after about 5 mins it's locked up. The T720c is a pretty tough though, my took a 2 story drop onto concrete, knocking the battery out (alcohol may have been a factor) and it works fine without missing any pixels, etc. On a side note, VZW has stopped selling the T730, so I have half a mind to lock up my phone and see what refurb they'll give me for it.

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  4. Semantics by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 3, Informative
    If it cannot infect a system without the user's help, it isn't a worm. It's a virus.

    Sure, the difference isn't that big a deal, but to most people, there isn't any real difference between Linux and Unix...

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    1. Re:Semantics by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      No.. that would make it a trojan.

      The definition of a worm isn't to do with whether or not it needs a user to run it - its just about whether it propgates via a network by itself rather than having users do the spreading.

      A virus hides itself in other executables and runs itself via proxy with the user not realising it. But it gernerally requires the user to do the distribution (generally without realising it).

      A trojan is simply a program which is malicous but pretends to be something else. If it happens to spread itself when run that doesn't make it a worm or a virus, but just a self spreading trojan. It would be closer to a trojan-slash-worm than a virus.

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    2. Re:Semantics by Tranzig · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the difference between viruses and worms is that worms are standalone programs while viruses need to infect other executables to be effective.

    3. Re:Semantics by johnkoer · · Score: 0

      If it cannot infect a system without the user's help, it isn't a worm. It's a virus.

      From the article:
      The worm runs from this directory whenever the phone is rebooted, so it continues to work even if the files are deleted from the APPS directory.

      The only user intervention that is required is that the phone be rebooted. The user does not have to execute the application manually. I think this is somewhere on the line between a virus and a worm

    4. Re:Semantics by earthforce_1 · · Score: 4, Funny


      > Sure, the difference isn't that big a deal, but to most people, there isn't any > real difference between Linux and Unix...

      Especially if you work for SCO!

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    5. Re:Semantics by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 1

      That would be really troubling. Are you sure? It used to be that most Symbian phones rebooted about once a week as a result of the CPM kicking in, which would make this self-propagating.

    6. Re:Semantics by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 3, Informative
      Urgh, this is what I get for posting before coffee. I had been relying on the /. blurb, since I couldn't reach Symantec (Akamai, perhaps?) Turns out the blurb wasn't entirely accurate, anyhow. From Symantec:

      The worm spreads as a .SIS file, which is automatically installed into the "APPS" directory when the receiver accepts the transmission. Upon execution, it will display a message then copy itself to a directory that is not visible by default. The worm runs from this directory whenever the phone is rebooted, so it continues to work even if the files are deleted from the APPS directory.

      ...so you're right--this is a classic trojan horse. As for the definition of 'worm', I prefer the Jargon File's version (if nothing else, it's most likely the oldest contextually-appropriate definition:)

      "[a worm is] A program that propagates itself over a network, reproducing itself as it goes."

      ...so according to TJF, it's not sufficient that it transmits itself--it must also reporoduce itself, which implies that the worm must be an autonomous program.

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    7. Re:Semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say this is ALMOST on the same tier as a worm. Accepting a bluetooth request is equivalent to answering a phone, or opening an email message..

  5. Simple Fix by Brain+Stew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bluetooth should be turned off out of the box. If an end-user is smart enough to know they want Bluetooth, they probably won't get hit with this attack.

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    1. Re:Simple Fix by ack154 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Hey what's this bluetooth thing? I guess I'll just activate it to find out... Oh, shit, it looks like I got a virus." Um, I'm thinking some people probably WILL get hit with this.

    2. Re:Simple Fix by cjellibebi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone interested in the practice of Toothing ends up leaving their Bluetooth on. For more info on Toothing, see also here (Search for "toothing" in the page that appears - there's even a link to the Toothing forums).

    3. Re:Simple Fix by Brain+Stew · · Score: 1

      True, no solution works for 100%. But I would imagine this would help out 80% of the users of the phone.

      Preventive measures are invaluable in technology.

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    4. Re:Simple Fix by TimmyDee · · Score: 1

      I have a Nokia 3650 and Bluetooth was disabled out of the box. I'm not into "toothing", so I leave Bluetooth off unless I'm syncing my addresses or retrieving a photo with my Mac. Besides, leaving Bluetooth on drains the battery to begin with, so it's not like the worm would be changing much of anything.

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    5. Re:Simple Fix by Sven+Tuerpe · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Bluetooth should be turned off out of the box.

      What really will happen is this: some day somebody develops a killer application based on Bluetooth, something that implies fun. Handset manufacturers will happily add it to their products. Their usability tests will yield that Bluetooth must be enabled out of the box, or most users won't even notice the new killer app. So they will not only enable Bluetooth by default, but also firmly believe they have to do it this way.

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    6. Re:Simple Fix by dave1791 · · Score: 1

      Well I guess Toothing might be THE killer app among some user types. I wonder how many people have actually gotten an introductory message and I wonder if the number of messages spiked in the days after the BBC article (which was linked on Wired IIRC).

    7. Re:Simple Fix by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      The average user doesn't look at "am I turning functionality on that'll make me vulnerable", he or she is looking at "how do I turn on functionality so I can do X fun thing" (where X is text messaging, gaming, etc). The functionality is second to the application, and it's why we're in the mess of security involved with the internet right now (user doesn't think about the ramifications of installing that chat or file sharing app).

    8. Re:Simple Fix by makapuf · · Score: 1

      toothing ? Surely implies fun.

    9. Re:Simple Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There are two already :

      -ac

    10. Re:Simple Fix by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      But then people interesting in toothing are pretty much just begging to get a virus anyway.

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    11. Re:Simple Fix by skifreak87 · · Score: 1

      Both my parents' cell phones use bluetooth (somehow) to incorporate into their cars and work hands free & voice-activated. They have a reason to activate bluetooth, but don't read /. so would see no reason not to. Bluetooth has uses for mere mortals and such will be desired/sold/bought/activated by people who aren't tech-savvy/knowledgable of how it works.

    12. Re:Simple Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can catch not only AIDS using "Toothing"... now you can also infect your cell phone!

    13. Re:Simple Fix by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 0, Troll

      Unless it's anal sex, you're not likely to catch AIDS with anonymous casual sex.

      You heard it here first.

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    14. Re:Simple Fix by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      Unless it's anal sex, you're not likely to catch AIDS with anonymous casual sex.

      Tell that to all the victims of AIDS all over the world, numbering over 40 million, most of whom didn't get it through anal sex. That is the most irresponsible message to give to people. You are likely to catch HIV with anonymous casual sex regardless of whether vaginal or anal, unless you use protection. You make it sound like people should stop worrying about wearing condoms now unless you're going to have anal sex or if you're with a woman who is on the pill.

      It is exactly through vaginal anonymous casual sex that AIDS has become such an epidemic in Africa!

    15. Re:Simple Fix by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      ... and you're completely off-topic, I might add.

    16. Re:Simple Fix by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 1

      correction: woman who isn't on the pill.

  6. Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or... by Dagny+Taggert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...better yet, a dialer that propagates itself and then sends out pre-recorded sales calls. This may sound crazy now, but will it sound crazy three years from now?

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  7. History by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This still relies on a user to open it, so hopefully that won't be many

    Those who fail to learn from history, are condemned to repeat it.

    1. Re: History by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


      > Those who fail to learn from history, are condemned to repeat it.

      Same with government and algebra.

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    2. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who learn from history still repeat it anyway.

      We still have war don't we?

    3. Re:History by absurdist · · Score: 2

      "Those who fail to learn from history, are condemned to repeat it."

      And the rest of us are condemned to hearing that quote over and over and over...

    4. Re:History by babbage · · Score: 0
      Those who fail to learn from history, are condemned to repeat it.

      And those who did not fail to learn history will also be condemned to repeat it, but they'll at least recognize the shit as being, in fact, shit, when the uneducated monkeys continue to fling it at the fan as they have always done.

      At least the monkeys seem to be enjoying themselves, which is more than I can say for the miserable bastards who went & educated themselves...

  8. Oh those users... by cjellibebi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    >This still relies on a user to open it, so hopefully that won't be many.
    Famous last words...
    1. Re:Oh those users... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Famous last words...

      will probably be, "press 'select' to see if you are the WINNER of our 10,000 giveaway sweepstakes"

  9. Cross platform via bluetooth by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is a virus that spreads via phone to computer or vice versa possible?

    1. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by MP3Chuck · · Score: 1

      Maybe possible... but unlikely, I'd think. Not only would the phone virus have to carry a PC version of itself, it'd need to access the computer, via Bluetooth, in such a way that it could execute code...

    2. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by armando_wall · · Score: 1

      A virus spreading using phones and PCs could be possible.

      But there are many technical quirks to take into account, beginning with the fact that PCs and phones have different hardware architectures. A huge barrier.

    3. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by Napoleon+Blownapart · · Score: 0
      Yes of course.

      They both have bluetooth and they both execute code.

      I transfer code from my PC to my Symbian series 60 phone all the time.

    4. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by jroesner · · Score: 1

      That may be so, but I've yet to get Powerball for Series60 to run under Windows XP. The phone could send the file around, but any non-S60 device would be the end of the line.

    5. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jiggajadidajadidajadidajadidajava!

    6. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by Napoleon+Blownapart · · Score: 0

      Write a PC based virus with a dual payload 1. Propogate via regular means over the net 2. Scan for bluetooth devices within range and send the mobile payload to them on the off chance that they are a mobile

    7. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes. This virus will apparently attack Bluetooth-enabled printers. It's not clear how successful the attacks are. But there may be an attack route there.

      Printers are a great potential target for spammers. Visualize Viagra ads appearing on your printer.

    8. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by Richard_L_James · · Score: 1
      Is a virus that spreads via phone to computer or vice versa possible?

      Yes, I firmly believe that this is technically possible. Now (maybe...) just around the corner undoubtably....

      I occasionally study virus/worm source code (or hex!) when AV cleanup guides seem unclear. Technically I'm often impressed by the talent and intelligence demostrated by some of these guys (and girls, sorry Gigabyte :) but feel sad at what I see as misguided output of some amazing coding talent. More than anything I feel sad because I remember people that have been hurt by their creations, e.g:

      I once had to tell someone working as an admin in a hospital that she had just lost 3 years of her hard work on 5 1/4's floppies (this is before harddisks/AV were common!) due to stoned virus. Believe me she cried a lot. Experiences like that stay with you and that's just one of what has now been too many experiences. So I offer no proof because I have no wish to help give ideas or speed the progression of something I don't want to see, even though VXrs and many other people know it will be evitable :(

    9. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by maximilln · · Score: 1

      Back in '93 I was taking my computer (paid for with my money) off to college. After a few months my parents went through the newspaper to buy another computer (paid for with their money) for my younger brother. They bought a used system which had a good price tag and came with lots of software on poorly labelled 3.5" disks. I was in college in another state and couldn't go along with them to judge the character of the person that they made the purchase from. When I came back at Christmas I looked through the software that he got with his system and said,"I really wouldn't trust any of this stuff. Stick with the software which we've legitimately bought." I think they thought that I was jealous of the amount of software which he got with his system because they pooh-poohed me off. To be fair I used quite a bit of warez'd software myself at the time--but it always came from sources that I trusted. I never used warez'd software that came with a system that I bought from some nobody out of the newspaper.

      At Christmas my younger brother got shloads of new software, really cool games. He got things like Street Fighter, and Test Drive 2 (or 3), and three or four others. Really good stuff. My brother had two 3.5" drives and I hardware locked one of them (it had a DIP switch) so that it was read-only. Before I left I told him specifically,"When you play those brand new games that you got for Christmas be sure to use them only on _this_ drive which I locked so that it doesn't write." I didn't trust all of that warez'd software that came with his system.

      When I came back for spring break every single one of his brand new games was dead in the water. Not a single one would boot. He was crestfallen and I was _very_ unhappy. I hated to see him that disappointed especially since he had gotten some of the coolest games on the planet. I ran a virus checker on the disks and every one of them had a boot sector virus. I don't remember what the name was. Since all of the 3.5" floppy games back then had custom boot sectors I couldn't rescue a single one of them. I don't know if he disregarded my warning about the warez'd software, or if he flipped the DIP switch back on the 3.5" drive, or if he didn't pay heed and carelessly used both 3.5" drives (many of the games had up to 5 disks). Whatever it was his brand new games were hosed.

      6 years later I was between jobs and back living at home. My younger brother put NetBus on my machine as if it were a joke. Either he didn't learn the lesson of the damage of that sort of crap or else he felt like he needed to take revenge on someone for losing all that software. We haven't exchanged more the a dozen words in the 4 years since then.

      I really liked that kid... sigh

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    10. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      What, like W32.Winux (AKA ELF.Winux)?

      It's a dual payload virus that infects Win32 executables and Linux ELF executables.

    11. Re:Cross platform via bluetooth by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      It will attempt to attack any Bluetooth device. The level of success depends on whether it is a Series 60 device or not, and whether the user accepts it. It's kinda like an Outlook worm that requires user intervention. You have to have Windows and Outlook, and you have to enable it, but you may still get a copy of the virus even if your Linux box isn't susceptible.

  10. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by TheGavster · · Score: 1

    It would really bit to get your cell number blacklisted off of various other networks because it got made into a zombie (in the manner of your host being blacklisted off of other people's email servers) ... might start up a market in less annoying phones, though.

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  11. I would have thought otherwise. by Jareeedo · · Score: 1, Troll

    Who would've thought that the windows-based cell phones wouldn't be the first to have viruses.

    1. Re:I would have thought otherwise. by Keeper · · Score: 1

      The Nokia series 60 phones run Symbian OS.

    2. Re:I would have thought otherwise. by eboot · · Score: 1

      I think he meant that he was surprised by the fact that the first virus was not on a windows phone. Either you were just stating an obvious fact or your a little click-happy on the reply button.

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  12. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by Dagny+Taggert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would love to see a simpler phone without features like Bluetooth. This would eliminate some of this out of the box. I may be in the minority, but all I need to do on my cell phone is make phone calls.

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  13. Uh, yeah. by dannyelfman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Right, no one *EVER* opens attachments.

    ``Oh look, Johnny sent me a new ring tone''

    ZAP!

    Until software companies will devote serious time to making sure their products aren't vulnerable like this, we will continue to see these types of monkey business.

    1. Re:Uh, yeah. by AviLazar · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be *TOO* hard on companies. It is tough to find every loophole and exploit! A company might have a team of 10-15 people developing this software. The hacker community comprises of a lot more then 10-15 people. So the odds are against the companies. All it takes is someone finding one single hole and they attack it. This is part of the reason why Windows gets more viruses then say MAC; because there are way more windows users and way more windows hackers then there are MAC users/hackers. While faulty design does play a part of it, it is not the only part.

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  14. And so it begins.... by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You network anything, it will be used by for shady purposes by unscrupulous folk. Think about that for a minute.

    1. Re:And so it begins.... by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      You network anything, it will be used by for shady purposes by unscrupulous folk.

      Sadly true.

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    2. Re:And so it begins.... by Fooby · · Score: 1
      Bluetooth isn't even intended for networking, it's intended for wireless communication with devices. Of course it's only a small step from communications to a network.

      It will be interesting to see how quickly a worm that requires close physical proximity will propagate, perhaps in patterns more like physical diseases. It's like the good old days when virurses spread via infected executables on floppy disks.

    3. Re:And so it begins.... by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 1

      " Bluetooth isn't even intended for networking, it's intended for wireless communication with devices."

      Help me out real quick. What is networking if not for enable communication with other devices? i don't give a damn if it's using a different tech or protocol or medium....it's networking. Thought you'd see it differently.

  15. The first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the first airbourne computer virus? By which I mean is it the first virus to spread itself only wirelessly. I realize traditional viruses can spread over wifi.

  16. 'toothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    So... This is the digital equivalent of an STD for 'toothers, right?

    1. Re:'toothing by julesh · · Score: 1

      What's toothing? Or do I not want to know?

    2. Re:'toothing by dave1791 · · Score: 1

      No, just one type.

    3. Re:'toothing by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      Anonymously meeting fellow Bluetooth users for sex...so I've heard.

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  17. Re:Magic Mushrooms by Brain+Stew · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Taking psychotropic drugs and posting on /. that is a great idea!

    Hmmm...seems like my sarcasm plugin for IE isn't working properly.

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  18. Next Question will be..... by HighOrbit · · Score: 3, Funny

    How did these 1-900 charges get on my phone bill?

    1. Re:Next Question will be..... by mrjb · · Score: 1

      Good question. What will the phone companies do as anti-spam, anti-virus measures? What about a service that blacklists any number not in your phonebook? What if viruses specifically target the phone book?

      In case of this particular virus I understand it was bluetooth based -- what about phone manufacturers? Firmware flash updates, anyone?

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    2. Re:Next Question will be..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Funny, but impossible. Symbian applications can not initiate phone calls (or do anything related to the actual phone functions) without the user's approval.

      The "virus" is ambiguous anyway. It asks you to install it. That's not a virus, that's just a stupid user.

  19. Here we go. by ATAMAH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I imagine that because of the cellphone frenzy there soon will be as much advertising (spam) in that medium as there is on the internet. Its just too big and too attractive a market to miss. And as cellphones get more and more features crammed into them - there will be viruses, worms, dialers. And they will be just as common.

    1. Re:Here we go. by liquidsin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it will get as bad for a long time. Here in Canada, most people don't pay for bandwidth by the mb, but they pay for cell service by the minute. Unlimited cell plans are pretty fucking expensive, from what I've seen. So people are less likely to raise a stink over email spam or web ads than they are over cell telemarketing or sms spam, since most of us still pay per message / minute. And it's a hell of a lot easier to track down the pig fuckers spamming you over a cell network.

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    2. Re:Here we go. by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      If we can avoid market dominance of any particular phone, O/S, processor, or VM, that should help mitigate damage through diversity.

      -l

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    3. Re:Here we go. by frostman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The main reason SMS-spam is so rare is because you have to pay for every SMS you send. (One exception: the network provider you are currently connected to can send you SMS-s for "free" so of course you get the occasional spam from your provider or whoever you're roaming on.)

      The next biggest reason is that SMS *requires* identification.

      Now, imagine a bunch of infected phones...

      Free SMS-spam with meaningless (since vastly distributed and zombied) originating numbers.

      Uh-oh.....

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    4. Re:Here we go. by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I thought I could put no reply number on my SMS messages on my Sprint Nokia 3588i...

      BTW, I think my number can somehow be accessed via e-mail, and I got a traditional e-mail spam... on a bottom-of-the-line voice+text+games (no wireless web, if you want that, go to this petition) phone.

  20. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remind me to bring an infected phone to the movie theater every time I go.

    1. Re:Great by Xugumad · · Score: 1

      Last time I went to a movie, after putting my mobile in silent mode, I actually searched for other mobiles with Bluetooth, with the intent of sending "Set to silent/turn off" messages. Couldn't find any, felt let down...

  21. Netcraft confirms : Bluetooth NOT dying?!!! by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So this is, like, the first real-world application of Bluetooth? A virus vector? You mean it's not just useless marketing hype-ware after all?!!! They are right, you learn something new every day!

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  22. anti-virus software people jumping for joy by Nonillion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess now the anti-virus software people now have themselves a new market to penetrate. I guess windows boxes were not enough to maintain their business model.

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    1. Re:anti-virus software people jumping for joy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have linux too. there are quite a few linux viruses.

      i'm amazed though that there aren't more viruses for the MacOSX.
      it has classic, so all your old viruses run on it.
      (all 5 of them...)
      it has unix, so all their viruses run on it too.
      (all 5 of them...)
      thats twice as many viruses that work on MacOSX before it even hit the shelf the first time!

      backwards and cross compatability is a pain.

      vs windows which isn't compatable with anything else.
      (but has 5 new viruses per slow day...)

      ps: to the viri nazi, sorry maybe your right.
      pss: to the anti-viri nazi, sorry maybe your right.

  23. Anti Virus Software for Cell Phone by SolidCore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Damn just one more thing I have to purchase with my phone subscription. A monthly charge for cell phone virus definitions for my WAP NAV

  24. Looking better and better by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 3, Funny

    That old crank-operated phone on my parents' wall is looking better and better.

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    1. Re:Looking better and better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have your pie and eat it too:

      Sidewinder Phone Charger

    2. Re:Looking better and better by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Even though the switch board lady will be listening in on your calls?

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    3. Re:Looking better and better by OhHellWithIt · · Score: 1
      Switch board lady, FBI, NSA -- does it really matter? Anyone who's
      • that
      desperate for entertainment will still be bored.
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  25. Re:Magic Mushrooms by turkeyphant · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'd really hope it was fresh. Because the UK laws are what they are, it's much more likely to be the former...

  26. Re:Magic Mushrooms by lanswitch · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You have to be stupid or entirely ignorant to be a successful person in this society crafted by charlatans and intellectual inferiors.

    Are you successful? Maybe it's not the system, but the drugs that keep you from reaching your goals.

  27. Hello Drive by spamming!!! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unscrupulous types will drive around the suburbs with bluetooth transmitters on the top of honda civics and old hiaces, broadcasting viagra apps into our phones while we eat.

    E-marketers will place transmitters everywhere, including bins, bus seats and on signs in the middle of the desert so our phones never stop telling us about products that improve our lives.

    We will all begin to recieve mysterious bills for calls we made to a premium rate talking clock number while we were asleep.

    Our phones will broadcast our every move and spoken word to marketing agencies, who will happily charge us for a map of the route we took to work that morning, or for telling how good our
    eloqution is.

    Bluetooth porn spam will being blaring out of everyones mobile the minute that slightly dazed looking yuppie walks into the room with his brand new phone that he uses for browsing on the net and email and chat and buying stuff and everything!!!

    This situation(commencing next week) will continue without pause, until, faced with users mass binning their mobiles, symbian forcefully create their own virus to patch the phone on the fly as no-one , apart from geeks, will have bothered to delete the patch.

    You doubt me!?! You doubt my powers of foresight?!!

    So do I, but I'm sticking with my series 40 phone just in case.

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    1. Re:Hello Drive by spamming!!! by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      "Bluetooth porn spam will being blaring out of everyones mobile the minute that slightly dazed looking yuppie walks into the room with his brand new phone that he uses for browsing on the net and email and chat and buying stuff and everything!!!" Great, I'll just set my Beasty Boys "Girls" ringer to alert me whenever I get that porn spam.

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  28. (Reply to OT is ON Topic to the thread...) by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Yeah, but can YOU get viruses via bluetooth?

    If not, what's the use of 'expanding your conciousness' this way?!!!

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  29. Just One More Reason by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One more reason that cell phone manufacturers need to focus on the big three (battery life, signal strength, ease of use) instead of mindless feature-creep.

    Most people buy bluetooth phones and don't know what to use it for, just that it's another thing they have. (I have a Bluetooth phone, but only because my Powerbook also has bluetooth and can sync wirelessly. Otherwise I keep it turned off.)

    Most people really just want a phone that can hold contacts, get really great reception, and lasts a while between charges. (And, outside the US, send and recieve text messages easily.) Why not focus on these features? The same reason most car commercials are about performance and showing off instead of reliability and gas mileage; people are more convinced by flash than substance.

    Repeat after me: Something that has a lot of functions doesn't do any of those things as well as a dedicated piece of equipment. (PCs are a special case; software isn't.) Just like the only unitasker in your kitchen should be a fire extinguisher, the only multitasker in your geek lair should be your PC.

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    1. Re:Just One More Reason by back_pages · · Score: 1
      The same reason most car commercials are about performance and showing off instead of reliability and gas mileage; people are more convinced by flash than substance.

      Most people buy bluetooth phones and don't know what to use it for, just that it's another thing they have.

      One more reason that cell phone manufacturers need to focus on the big three (battery life, signal strength, ease of use) instead of mindless feature-creep.

      It sounds silly if you say them in the this order. I think you answer your own gripe; cell phone manufacturers are interested in selling phones, not producing the One Great Cellphone to Save Humanity. Just as with car commercials, feature creep and showiness sell cell phones, not the boring old battery life or gas mileage.

    2. Re:Just One More Reason by darkfire5252 · · Score: 2, Informative

      One more reason that cell phone manufacturers need to focus on the big three (battery life, signal strength, ease of use) instead of mindless feature-creep.

      As much as I wish that's what they would focus on, they will continue to focus on the holy grail of business: Profit.

      I used to sell cell phones, and signal strength didn't sell a single phone for me. As a salesman, I have absolutely no clue what phones recieve better than the others. Sales reps aren't trained on reception, if they are lucky, a customer will let them know which ones they have had success with.

      In my experience, the biggest selling factors for phones were a color screen, whether or not it was a flip phone, size, and unique design. When T-Mobile released the phone that swivels around instead of flips down I didn't have a customer walk by without picking it up.

      If the customer is uninformed, they will continue to buy phones with buzzwords. Whether or not the sales reps are uninformed, they will continue to sell what makes them the most money. Conviniently enough, they usually know the most about that phone.

    3. Re:Just One More Reason by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      Just to clarify: I don't think that my post will change anything. I'm just pointing out a problem, and hopefully people will catch on and use market forces to do it.

      Phone companies have a right to seek profits, but when people are half-duped, half-convinced-of-necessity into buying a camera phone with Bluetooth when all they do is call their friends and then complain that it dies quickly, doesn't get good reception, and makes it hard to edit phonebook entries, they need to rethink their buying strategy. And when that happens (if that happens), we'll have market pressure that will get good, solid phones made.

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    4. Re:Just One More Reason by Jonny-Memo · · Score: 1

      I really don't know what your taliking about, I use my 3650 to sync contacts, take photos for my moblog, they are nice for web, Rum emulators on it (Mega-drive, Gameboy, NES) read loads of books with a pda reader, play MP3 using my bluetooth headphone, and more stuff That's not flash it's substance, I like it.

    5. Re:Just One More Reason by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      You and who else? The guy in the next cube over has the same phone, and all he uses it for is making phone calls (I've asked).

      I'm not saying their isn't a market for these things, just that the market isn't nearly as big as the cell phone companies believe it to be.

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    6. Re:Just One More Reason by Jonny-Memo · · Score: 1

      Who else, well I have 3 friends that have the same phone as me, more a couple with a Ericsson with bluetooth, In fact if I search my room now for devices I will find more 2 blue tooth phone anabled around. in fact they must be as geek as me to work here. Notebooks BT + Phone BT w/ Modem = Powa =D

    7. Re:Just One More Reason by randomized · · Score: 1

      What are you trying to say?

      That computer market is not as big as market for fancy typewriters and internet terminals?

      I actually do enjoy tech race in mobile phone area and can envisage time when your phone will be the primary computing device.

      I do use my SX1 as music player. It plays OGGs in stereo - no need for me to get ipod. My 256mb memory card holds all the music I need at the moment. When that runs out, I'll just get a bigger one. I have my contacts, calendar events and so on here with me at all times.

      Of course there are people who use phones just to make phone calls. Like there are people who use computers to take care of accounts and compute taxes. It does not mean that phones have to freeze features. You just have to buy an older model (cheaper too, NEAT!)

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    8. Re:Just One More Reason by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      You just have to buy an older model (cheaper too, NEAT!)

      And it also becomes obsolete and you can't find accessories for it, and it's huge. Not to mention that your company drops support for it (happened to me when I picked an older phone).

      And phones don't have to freeze features. I just think there's a market out there for phones that aren't flashy, but are built like tanks, have month-long standby times, and get reception inside bunkers. (Unfortunately, the cost of entry into this market is so high that an entrepreneur can't do it, and so we'll probably never see them.)

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    9. Re:Just One More Reason by gcaseye6677 · · Score: 1

      Uninformed customers are the reason the electronics industry as a whole has become the way it is, with products having a lot of pretty LEDs and flashy features instead of quality materials. People buy based on flash, and since companies make money from flashy products, that is what they will produce. This makes it hard for those of us who buy based on quality to find anything that meets our standards. Ultimately, the people end up getting what they want.

    10. Re:Just One More Reason by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
      Just like the only unitasker in your kitchen should be a fire extinguisher, the only multitasker in your geek lair should be your PC

      This implies that my toaster should be doing something else.. Am I missing something?

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    11. Re:Just One More Reason by Jonny-Memo · · Score: 1

      What I'm trying to say, your wrong saying that phones should not be multitasker, you say it's not perfect. If you go for this way, pcs are not perfect too. You can't say these phones are "phones" nowadays, Smart-Phones ;P, Being a Mobile Phone is one of their utilities. If I want to have a perfect digital camera, what's perfect? Something around 6Mpixels ? If I want the perfect MP3 player, what's perfect? I can't see the real problem here, Symbian have now a "Virus", I can't really say it's sorta a virus but, so what ?, Since the discover of computing at the early system they existed. Read MAMMAL for UNIVAC, and S60 was just lucky till now to not have a virus yet. Anyone can sit and code a malicious piece of code to any OS. So, Will I stop using it, hell no, just need to take care. Even with some billions of Viruses for windows out there we still use it no?

    12. Re:Just One More Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about you take a look at the models that are already on the market? Nokia has lots of simple models (model numbers in the 1xxx or 2xxx range). And besides, over here in Europe, most people want advanced features. So quit whining.

    13. Re:Just One More Reason by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
      Yes. Get a toaster oven. Much more versatile, not much more counter space. Frozen pizzas turn out much better in a toaster oven, and if you have a hankering for cookies you don't have to heat up the whole kitchen with the big oven.

      Unless your toaster is in your geek lair. Then you might be missing something.

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  30. Re:Magic Mushrooms by Doomrat · · Score: 0

    Certainly not - last time I used psychedelic drugs was September last year, and I usually space things out over a similarly large period of time. It could be argued that even staggered events will have a negative effect, but I don't think anybody is qualified to even show any consequential evidence of that.

  31. We can do more.. are told to do less! by zijus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the symantec article (I could access it) it is suggested : "Turn off and remove unneeded services." I can't help laugh. Buy a blue-tooth enabled mobile phone, and turn off blue tooth stuff as soon as you have it out of the box... Or pay to have something removing the stuff you paid to get.

    Hum... may I suggest not ot get such a mobile phone ?
    By the way, turning off what I don't need, is something I do with my car, my house, my computer... That is why I have no viruses, no slow down, no whatever I don't want. It's a kind of brake-through: don't use what what you don't need, you'll have less problemes. Ho peoples, I am in great shape today !

  32. Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? by pjkundert · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is the sound of inevitability...

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  33. WARNING!!! by Fuzzums · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do not answer calls from people you don't know. :D

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  34. Re:Magic Mushrooms by hairykrishna · · Score: 0

    Dude, you'd be better off on erowid as opposed to posting this in the middle of a discussion about a bluetooth hijacking mobile virus.

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  35. Security, through antiquity. by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure glad I still have my PANASONIC DURAMAX EB-TX220. Tough as nails, and too old for this sort of crap. TDMA, but still working like a champ!

  36. Recommendations by cSnoop · · Score: 1

    Symantec Security Response encourages all users and administrators to adhere to the following basic security "best practices": * Turn off and remove unneeded services. By default, many operating systems install auxiliary services that are not critical, such as an FTP server, telnet, and a Web server. --- So the next question would be: What is you're phone serving us?

  37. WTF happened?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a time when "opening" something wasn't the same thing as executing it. I don't think this new way of treating foreign content is an improvement.

  38. This is why a Cell Phone should just be... by cnelzie · · Score: 1

    ...a damn cell phone and not some do-all do-hickey. My Cell phones (Work and personal) are the most basic models you can get, aside from the work phone also including the 'cell modem' option.

    Cell phones are there to make calls, not to be a camera, a computer, a PDA or any other kind of device.

    The more complex these things become the more issues like this will crop up and cause problems.

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  39. Nokia series 60 by saunabad · · Score: 1

    I have a series 60 phone (Nokia 6600) and the phone has a lot of features, and even more bugs. It usually hangs once or twice a day so that you'll have to remove the battery. I'm just wondering what kind of mess we'll soon be in with these viruses, since I'm pretty sure the software of the phone is made with hurry to be just as feature rich as possible.

    1. Re:Nokia series 60 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The marketing Nokia does, somehow reminds me of a redmond based softwarefirm.
      Coincedently, both are used by clueless people, being.
      There are more similarities

  40. Re:Magic Mushrooms by 3,4-methylenedioxyme · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Good for you. There is nothing as beautiful as a psilocybin trip once in a while.

    Happy trails :)

  41. Microsoft? by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1

    I know that it's all too popular to point fingers at Microsoft, but as the article says, Microsoft is developing the competitor in the "smart phones" category. Wouldn't it be terribly convenient if their competitor's OS was plagued with viruses and not theirs?
    Kind of a flip-flop from the Linux/Windows situation...

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    1. Re:Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      if their competitor's OS was plagued with viruses and not theirs

      yes but on a historical basis/precedent, it's not very likely, is it? :-)

  42. Re:Magic Mushrooms by lanswitch · · Score: 1

    That's not the point. If you want to be successful, you will need a clear mind and good condition. Taking mushrooms is fun, but it does not stimulate the intellectual part of the mind. Nor does it inspire to work on your general condition.
    Success depends on a lot of factors, and drugs is not one of them (unless you want to be the next Pablo Escobar;)).

  43. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by harrkev · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you tried your local Goodwill or Salvation Army?

    Even garage sales have old phones...

    This post is half-funny, and half-sad. Phones are getting more feature-packed every year. Where I work, I am not allowed to have any sort of camera, for security reasons. When all phones have camreas, no phones will be allowed in my office. Sad, but true.

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  44. That's it... by slashzero · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remind me when cybernetic implants come out, to not get one. The last thing I need is a worm infecting my cybernetic arm.

    1. Re:That's it... by four12 · · Score: 1
      I'd hate to think what sort of spurrious commands would be send to it... while you're in a public place... with your mother-in-law and pastor.

      Images from Dr. Strangelove come to mind, or other socially inappropriate behaviour.

    2. Re:That's it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that would suck. There arm starts doing the hokie-pokie when you want to drive down the street. or take care of yourself during a pr0n fest.

    3. Re:That's it... by Rick.C · · Score: 1
      The last thing I need is a worm infecting my cybernetic arm.

      Or pr0n spam in my bionic eye...

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    4. Re:That's it... by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you could have fun by bitch-slaping your mother in law and blaming it on a virus that infected your cybernetic arm.

  45. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i still sit happily with my nokia 3210. IT makes phone calls, it texts. im not sure what else i need........

  46. That's not the complete picture, and you know it. by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    "If you want to be successful, you will need a clear mind and good condition."

    Say WHAT?!!!

    Jeebus, that's even easier than taking cheap shots at M$!

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  47. what does it prove? by randomized · · Score: 5, Informative

    Really, this does not prove anything. It doesn't exploit any weakness in the system and very easy to avoid.

    I am not sure how many of people who have posted before actually OWN series 60 device, but let me assure you that it's not as simple as accepting somebody's bluetooth transfer.

    First of all, you must have bluetooth always on and your device available to all, which is really bad idea considering that it eats your battery much faster. Battery life of the series 60 devices is pretty small as is. Having bluetooth on is sure way to kill it further.

    Second, you will have to go through few steps of actually INSTALLING unsigned application. This is VERY intrusive.

    Third, this thing does not auto startup. So, when your device is drained off battery, it won't run by itself as far as I can see.

    All in all, very poor attempt to create a malware for Series 60. I am sure you can get much higher propagation by installing an autoexec worm inside of S60 warez releases.

    Other avenue to look into is malformed MMS message that does buffer overrun and allows to execute arbitrary code. Now this would be a real baddy because you will be infected as soon as you open a message.

    Nice try, but no cake.

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    1. Re:what does it prove? by jroesner · · Score: 1

      Well put. Granted I leave my BT on all of the time, but my phone is set to be hidden from others (and my Siemens SX1 doesn't seem to be vulnerable to bluesnarfing). I only leave it on because I don't always know when i want to use my BT headset or send something to the phone from the PC. In the case of the PC I don't always want to get up and get the phone to turn BT on. If I was going to get it, I would just plug it into the USB cable.

      S60 makes it much harder than Windows to install a malicious application. That's a very good feature in this age of viruses and worms.

    2. Re:what does it prove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SMS = 256 bytes, no way to buffer overrun

    3. Re:what does it prove? by randomized · · Score: 1

      I spoke about MMS, which is very different and in fact a SMIL page with references to encoded content. There is a big area of possible exploits - wave playing, gif animations, text formatting and so on.

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    4. Re:what does it prove? by De+Lemming · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good points, but...

      Third, this thing does not auto startup. So, when your device is drained off battery, it won't run by itself as far as I can see.

      From the report: "[...] then copy itself to a directory that is not visible by default. The worm runs from this directory whenever the phone is rebooted."

    5. Re:what does it prove? by S3D · · Score: 1

      All in all, very poor attempt to create a malware for Series 60. I am sure you can get much higher propagation by installing an autoexec worm inside of S60 warez releases. That wouldn't be much more successful. Only user who installed warez would be harmed. Any attempt to propagate would cause the same "Unsigned application" warning and requiere confirmation.

    6. Re:what does it prove? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change
      Install caribe?
      in the attack to
      Install Your_New_Ringtone?

      And half of the users in the food court won't be able to wait to install the worm.

  48. Who so i sue for damages ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    when a dialer does cost me money because of a self propogating worm due to a weakness in the phones OS (out of my control)
    do they become another microsoft get you to waive any claims due to a fault that is out of your control but their product caused it ?, no recall on this phone/OS then ?, surely the legal ramifications are boggling

  49. Engineering practice by earthforce_1 · · Score: 4, Insightful


    It has to be assumed that any system open to the general public, can be expected to come under hostile attack from hackers/spammers/criminals/terrorists. All hardware and software deployed in the field needs to be examined carefully for this. It is even more critical when you have a "monoculture" of HW/SW, since one exploit compromises the whole system.

    History has shown time and time again, hackers will expend a great deal of effort to compromise any accessible system even if just for the heck of it.

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  50. DNS problems by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative

    It may be related to this morning's Akamai DNS problems. Many large sites aren't easily accessible at the moment.

    1. Re:DNS problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Including the one you linked to, apparantly :)

  51. Fake simplicity -- lockout by telco and vendors by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a T730 with Verizon and the phone isn't KISS at all, it's pretty complicated, capable of downloading and running software.

    What bothers me is the *fake* simplicity and lockout. Why can't I just hook this phone to my PC with the USB cable and access the filesystem, transfering programs, ringtones, images and so on to the phone? With the phone software I can get some address book sync (it's such a shitty package, I regret buying it).

    Of course, I know it's all about Verizon making money off of downloads, but its such bullshit selling a "closed" device with fake simplicity. Yes, I know I can get warez copies of Moto phone tools, but how much harder would it be to make the phone show up as a USB storage device? The addressbook as a CSV file? A directory each for tones and images?

  52. Re:That's not the complete picture, and you know i by lanswitch · · Score: 1

    Well, as far as I know dubya is clean now...

  53. Re:Magic Mushrooms by perdu · · Score: 1

    Good for you. There is nothing as beautiful as a psilocybin trip once in a while.

    Yes, but you, 3,4-methylenedioxyme, should watch out for Ecstasy-induced toxicity in rat liver

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  54. Blog Worm by darkain · · Score: 2, Informative

    we think we may have the very first blog worm this past weekend as well. after reports of a potential security exploit in LiveJournal, a small team went to work to create a "proof of concept" self-replicating javascript code designed specifically to post itself in a viewers journal.

    More information can be found here

    a basic example of self-generating javascript code can be found here

  55. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    just code it like, right now.
    it's possible.

    however, for better results don't use bluetooth as the medium it transmits itself.. this now published 'worm'/trojan needs USER INTERACTION for it to spread so it is NOT REALLY EFFECTIVE. it's just shitload of hot air by some antivir companies at this point.

    however, for faster spreading to idiots just put the virus online with names like "porno-game.sis" "latest-ngage-warez.sis" and alike. some suckers will download it anyways.

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  56. next generation worm by Errtu76 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Modern phones have infrared, right? So what if you combine the worm with this idea? >:)

  57. Killer App by phorm · · Score: 1

    Yes, but right now the "killer application" is a worm. So far it's only been good at killing batteries. Had it, say, included a 1-900 dialer or mass textmessage spammer, it might also have killed one's bank account.

    I'd say the risks outweigh the gains here. If somebody is able to download a new app for their phone, the app itself could probably enable bluetooth for them.

    1. Re:Killer App by Sven+Tuerpe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd say the risks outweigh the gains here.

      Don't get me wrong, being a security researcher I fully agree with the proposal to have devices that are secure out of the box. However, I doubt those devices could gain any market share against devices that are fun out of the box before any major disaster occured. Security, as well as vulnerability, tends to be invisible unless it gets in your way. The majority of the users of cellphones has no idea how vulnerable their devices are, and how it might affect them. What they are aware of are all the funny new features in their next-generation phone that shouldn't be there at all from a security point of view. In such a market, I guess, we will achieve security only after disaster.

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  58. Proof of Concept? by SoopahMan · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the Symantec site:

    EPOC.Cabir is a proof-of-concept worm that replicates on Nokia Series 60 phones.

    Uh, talk about coding your way to job security?
  59. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    You want a phone just to make calls?

    Ok, but why does this mean you don't want bluetooth? Personally I love bluetooth headsets. In case you missed it, Bluetooth was designed with headsets as a priority.

  60. hahahahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My cell is so old, it still has a monochromatic lcd screen.

    Keep on adding gadgets, whistles, and bells onto your pda/cellphone/sattelite phone/pager/mp3 player/tooth brush/microwave oven. I'll be over here with my "archaic" cell phone, bulletproof and grinning.

    "Aye sir, the more they overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
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  61. golf clap to parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Congrats on choosing "especially" (meaning in particular) as opossed to "specially" (meaning peculiar or exceptional).

    Seems like noone cares about the difference, anyway...

  62. Well so much for my success! by AviLazar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dammit, and I was just starting to get the hang of Toothing

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  63. Chill, everyone...it's not armageddon yet. by Shoten · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It's a proof of concept worm. It's not in the wild yet, according to Symantec.

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    1. Re:Chill, everyone...it's not armageddon yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In otherwords, Symantec, a maker of anti-virus software, created this virus.

      Think about it. That means they must have people on their payroll who are actively writing viruses. I wonder how many people would buy their shitty "protection" software if they knew that.

  64. Dialer by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This brings up an interesting question. Lets say it had been a dialer. Lets say it racks up a large amount of charges on your bill while draining your minutes. Would the cell phone companies refund your money/minutes? Would you have to do it through the credit card company by doing a chargeback?

    What legal recourse would there be?

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    1. Re:Dialer by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      I'd ask you to read your contract carefully.

    2. Re:Dialer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can purchase insurance, or not. The insurance on my series 60 device which I purchased last week states that I am covered for:

      "up to $5000 of unauthorized calls"

      And I hope a dialler counts as unauthorized...

    3. Re:Dialer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Would you have to do it through the credit card company by doing a chargeback?

      Hopefully they'd do it by cash voucher, that way I can keep my airline points! :-)

  65. mimicking real life by hexstatik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    i find this virus very interesting in that there is a need for physical proximity in order for the virus to propagate, similar to real-world viruses. in the future, will these type of virus infections be limited to certain geographical areas depending on the initial "ignition" point, or will the infection vectors be more like real-life virus outbreaks? (imaging starting an infection a new york subway versus smalltown, usa)

    1. Re:mimicking real life by stev_mccrev · · Score: 1

      I agree. I find the idea of someone's personal electronics devices being 'contagious' to those around them fascinating.

      How about this. Leave an infected phone sitting in new york subway. It spreads amongst the passengers cell phones. The passengers arrive at their offices and infect all their co workers.

      Hell, with the rise of WiFi enabled phones, etc maybe someone will write something that will sit fairly dormant on infected phones then leap across and infect workstations behind network firewalls.

  66. Proof of Concept == NOT in the wild by ericspinder · · Score: 3, Informative
    # Number of infections: 0 - 49
    # Number of sites: 0 - 2
    # Geographical distribution: Low
    # Threat containment: Easy
    # Removal: Moderate
    Yes, proof of concepts are usually converted to full blown viruses/worms/trojans pretty quickly, but I see a number of mitigating factors for this kind of attack:
    • Bluetooth has a 30 ft range.
    • by shorting battery life users will be less likely to carry it to remote systems (a dead phone cannot transmit it).
    • Bluetooth connections must be accepted.
    • The file also must be accepted.
    It is very similar to a virus being spread by email attachments. Most likely the only fix for this would be a stronger warning on the phone when a file is being passed from a Bluetooth connection.
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    1. Re:Proof of Concept == NOT in the wild by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      It is very similar to a virus being spread by email attachments.

      It is such a relief to know that this virus will end up being a small, fairly well contained thing, with very little impact, such as slammer, slapper, sasser, etc.

  67. Not only Nokia series 60 are affected... by capmilk · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...but also other Symbain OS phones like Sony Ericsson P800/P900 and Motorola a920/a925.

  68. Goddamn I wish I could post annonymously... by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Hey, I had overlooked the cocaine use and alcoholism, I was just shooting for the ob 'W is an idiot' jab. I was just holding him up as a prime example that there are many "successfull" people that owe their position to their connections, not their abilities.

    Thank you for reminding us that he's also a substance abuser and hypocrite.

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  69. power = rate of work or something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    battery down, radiation up - not your average bluetooth phone anymore, now its also a pocket warmer!

  70. Phones suck!!! by rdr2 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    See I told you how vulnerable phones are! :p

  71. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by The+Flying+Guy · · Score: 1

    The main problem is that phones and phone batteries have a limited life time (usually 3 to 7 years) after which they start giving problems up to dieing (ofcourse not if you treat it perfectly, but who does), it is the only reason why I went through 3 phones in 5 years.

  72. Telephone Virus? by 0zymandias · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps we should not have sent away all the telephone sanitizers.

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  73. Whatever... by cshark · · Score: 1

    Security expert, diabolical mastermind, software company owner, and over achiever, Sam Samuelson has discovered a land based phone Virus. This Virus transmits itself through phone lines and speakers to other compatible phones in the area. The virus generally spreads through Nortel multi-line phones, although Experts at Sam Samuelson's software company expect variants for Nortel single line phones, SBC switch boards, and a variety of office devices created by Lucent Technologies. The virus, also known as a "worm" in tech circles, uses the phones to spread throughout a network, and attempts to scan customer databases to make obscene phone calls. One customer remarked "It just said, 'I want to see you nekkid' over and over again. Caller ID confirmed the call came from my local Office Troth. So I called Office Troth and they said they had no interest in seeing me nekkid. They had apparently been having similar problems the whole week." Sam Samuelson predicts that this could be the beginning of a huge big incredible money making trend, and that you need to buy his Nortel phone protection software before the Virus gets you too! AT&F is confidant in their network, and said in a comment to the press "We're confident in our network and it's security. We buy plenty of software from Sam Samuelson. Under the terms of our contract with Sam's company, we're fully protected from phone Viruses, Worms, Trojans, and the Boogie Man." A company representative said in a taped interview.

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  74. More info: by EvilCowzGoMoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is my original attempt to post this story, it got rejected, but now that someone else brought it up, I will post my version. Primarily because there are some cool links in it that should be seen:

    Yesterday InfoWorld reported a new first for viruses. Believed to be the work of international group 29a, Cabir is the first worm to infect mobile phones! Cabir is a proof of concept worm infecting Symbian mobile phone operating system by Symbian Ltd, used by Nokia. Cabir does not include a malicious payload.

  75. Exactly which Nokia phones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that when people talks about Nokia series 60 phones they not only refer to phones whose model number begins with 6. For instance, I've got a Nokia 3200 but this is actually a Series 40 phone. Does anyone know a list of the affected Nokia phones?

  76. No Foreign Code! by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Sheesh since the days of MSDOS debug trojans You Do Not Execute Foreign Code.

    Damn some people would run others code in their heads when implants are available. Hell they'll probably be running Microsoft Wetware and it won't even take a thought.

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  77. Not the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to recall that there was a rash of mobile malware in japan a couple years ago. Here's just one I found on a quick search on /.

  78. So, when will we see... by Danj2k · · Score: 1

    ... Norton Antivirus for Symbian OS then? I own a Nokia series 60 phone, and although I don't leave Bluetooth on all the time, I do use it for transferring data to and from the device and for using it as a mobile internet connection for my laptop.

  79. Wrong again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The terms are loosly used, thus causing all sorts of missunderstandings even by people who think they know what they are talking about.

    I'm sure someone will take issue with the definition I use, but I find that it works well for understanding what is going on.

    A trojan is characterized by being a program that appears to be something useful that people share; not expecting the ill effects. It has no method of self-propogation.

    A virus is a program characterized by its ability to attach itself (infects) other programs. Its primary method of distribution is through infected programs being copied and used on other computers.

    A worm is characterised by being able to self-propogate. It makes copies of itself to other computers. The nasty ones require no human intervention. This is commonly done with buffer overflows in network software (eg. Sasser on Windows). Though some have used password guessing as a way to get into UNIX systems.

    A mass-mailer is a program characterized by e-mailing itself to people as its main method of propogation. This is a special case of a worm and is very popular; especially on Windows systems with Outlook installed.

    The definitions gets real fuzzy when you get a program that uses multiple attacks. It may appear to be a useful program (thus a trojan) then copy itself to open Windows SMB file shares (thus a worm) and attach itself to other programs (thus a virus).

    Symantec got it right - this is a worm.

    1. Re:Wrong again by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      I would actually call this a trojan (it calls itself Caribe, which sounds like some program related to the Carribian (sp?)) with a payload of a mass-bluejacking worm.

  80. Made me think of a good read... by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 1

    It's a sci-fi book (younger target audience, but fun nevertheless) about a future where everyone is connected to an overcomercialized version of the internet via a direct brain implant. You think pop-ups are bad. Check it out.

    Feed, by M.T. Anderson. Review

    JGG

  81. Only if the phone is running Windows. by NumbThumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    no, seriously: if the phone is running WinCE, a VBS-Based Worm would have no problems moving from phones to computers and back. The platform-barrier would be gone.

    The same could be said about java-based phones, but i doubt a java-worm ould be very successful, because of the low-level security build into the VM.

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  82. Simpler Fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrap my phone in tinfoil.

  83. Big potential for disaster. by gnarled · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What happens when the newest worm automatically dials 911. The system would be absolutely swamped, cops would be running around because when someone dials 911 and hangs up they still have to call, many people that actually had an emergency would never get through. It would be a serious disaster.

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    1. Re:Big potential for disaster. by vikingpower · · Score: 1

      What a great idea ! ***grin***

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  84. network attacks by neoThoth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    could come from cell phones now. Or worse, your phone may start innocently distributing spam! Most of the blue tooth enabled phones have data services. I think a funnier worm would randomly dial people in your phonebook effectively letting friends and loved ones hear you bad mouth them.

  85. put up a sign by zogger · · Score: 1, Redundant

    right at the entrance: "Notice, cell phone useage is prohibited inside the theater. Anyone who's cellphone interrupts the other patrons will be asked to leave immediately"

    Something like that. People can set it to vibrate for incoming and go out to the lobby to talk if they want to. If they can use night vision goggles to check for videographers, they can do the same thing to locate cell phone users. They might initally lose some customers from false indignation, but if people knew a local theater was strict on that, they actually might pick up business. I mean, they got all day to yak it up, people go to the movies for a little R&R,to relax and enjoy the flick, enoughs enough already with the thing being glued to people's heads. And if they put up a stink after being asked to leave, no probs, call the heat and have them arrested for trespass or something. I'm a pretty strict personal rights and privacy guy, that means I have to also respect OTHER'S rights as well, and one of them is to be not annoyed basically when you are in public. It sucks we almost have to legislate what used to be known as common courtesy in a lot of instances.

    Of course, I boycott movies now, most of them anyway, so the point is moot, I don't drop coin into the MIAAs coffers any longer, but still, I can see where hearing the latest fabulous ringtones in the theater would be teh sux.

  86. this one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you mean this?

    EPOC.Cabir is a proof-of-concept worm that replicates on Nokia Series 60 phones. This worm repeatedly sends itself to the first Bluetooth-enabled device that it can find, regardless of the type of device. For example, even a Bluetooth-enabled printer will be attacked if it is within range.

    The worm spreads as a .SIS file, which is automatically installed into the APPS directory when the receiver accepts the transmission.

    When EPOC.Cabir is executed, it:

    * Displays a message (see the "Technical Details" section), then copies itself to a directory on the phone. (This directory is not visible, by default.)
    * Runs from this directory when the phone is restarted, so that it continues to work even if the files are deleted from the APPS directory.

    Once the worm is running, it will constantly search for Bluetooth-enabled devices, and send itself to the first device that it finds.

    There is no payload, apart from the vastly shortened battery life caused by the constant scanning for Bluetooth-enabled devices.

    Also Known As: Worm.Symbian.Cabir.a [Kaspersky], Cabir [F-Secure]

    Type: Worm
    Infection Length: 15104 (caribe.sis), 11944 (caribe.app), 11498 (flo.mdl), 44 (caribe.rsc)

    Systems Affected: EPOC
    Systems Not Affected: DOS, Linux, Macintosh, Novell Netware, OS/2, UNIX, Windows 2000, Windows 3.x, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows NT, Windows Server 2003, Windows XP

    # Rapid Response Virus Definitions

    June 14, 2004

    worked fine for me on slow old dialup, must be where you are physcially located and the hops or something

    zogger

  87. not news, and it does not matter by lanswitch · · Score: 1

    at least not here. go to http://www.erowid.org/ . good site with tons of stuff on the subject.

  88. More info here! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1
  89. just remember by twitter · · Score: 1

    there is no phone.

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    1. Re:just remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SHIT! How the hell am I going to get out?!?!

  90. Mobile viruses could endanger lives by calling 911 by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The sad thing is some prick is going to get their kicks out of making a virus that will cause these mobile phones to constantly call 911, and it could place lives at risk by jamming 911 call centers. Didn't they already have a computer virus like that which used modems?

  91. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by Vengeance_au · · Score: 1

    Exactly how many people do you expect to go to the site in your .sig after that comment? ;-)

  92. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    heheh, good question!

    but really, the thought of making a dialer program that dialed to some paynumber I would buy has crossed my mind, because even when you would label it as EXPENSIVE_DIALER.sis or THIS_WILL_COST_YOU_9.95$_PER_MINUTE.sis some fuckers would still download it. it could even have huge warnings that the program is expensive to run and yet even then some guys would run it if they found it on some warez site.

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  93. Want it sooner? by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

    Not long.

    But why wait, if you have Bluetooth access to people all you need to do is plant a Bluetooth device on a busy street crossing, and spam ads to everyone who walks past.

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  94. Should have written it in Java... by Trejkaz · · Score: 1

    If they'd written it in Java, it would be able to infect more than Series 60 devices... pretty much any device with MIDP 1.0 and the Bluetooth API. :-)

    Although how many phones have the Bluetooth API I wonder...

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  95. dupe dupe dupe by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    There was an article posted above on this, and since I read that one first, THIS one is the dupe, not that one. :P

  96. Oh No. by TEMMiNK · · Score: 1

    I already have to remove GAIN from my parents computer every second day, now their phones too?

    Think of the real cost, hundreds of geek-hours wasted fixing family member's mobile devices...

    Those bastards.

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  97. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that actually a benefit? I'd love to be able to come to work without my handy-dandy cell phone. But, the folks in Florida need to be able to contact me here in Massachusetts. My wife and parents like being able to check in to see how I am. I'd love to leave it at home, but it's just not possible.

  98. Trend Micro, it works on phones (i think) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/hoaxes/hoax5.asp?H Name=Mobile+Phone+Virus+Hoax

  99. Alternate OS'es by AmbyVoc · · Score: 1

    Yep, here it is, the solution. Let's buy a Linux phone! :) I wonder if BSD could be made a mobile OS too.

    Other than Linux and BSD, phones could have OS'es like Geos, BeOS, OS/2, etc. But God forbid, no Windows! ;)

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  100. Re:Yes, but how long until there is a dialer? Or.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you'll have a hard time convincing someone with the nickname "Dagny Taggart" to shop at Goodwill. ;-)

  101. Mobile antivirus already available by omegas · · Score: 1
    F-Secure states in their description of the Cabir worm that they already have a solution against Series 60 malware:

    F-Secure Anti-Virus for Symbian 60 series will detect the Cabir and delete the worm components.


    There's not much information about the software on their site though - only that it is a part of the F-Secure Mobile Services platform they announced in October last year.
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  102. Bugs in the bug by LondonLawyer · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that a small change to the code would have made this a lot more successful. Basically, this worm overstresses its host and kills it by draining the battery.

    The battery drain apparently results from constant Bluetooth scanning, which means the worm is more likely to be noticed (poor phone performance) and less likely to spread (shorter phone uptime and more likely to be removed by the owner).

    I can't see the benefit of constant scanning. Where the host is constantly on the move, two scans back to back are less likely to find an new host to infect than two scans say half an hour apart.

    Putting the Bluetooth scans on an intermittent cycle would have been more likely to infect other phones by camouflaguing the worm's presence and increasing the likelihood that each individual scan would find an uninfected host. The battery drain looks to me like a side-effect of careless design rather than a malicious payload.

    Look to infectious agents in nature - the successful ones are those that don't kill the host.

  103. PDAs and Typhoid Mary by LondonLawyer · · Score: 1

    I think PDAs are a bigger potential problem. Seems to me that these are prime Typhoid Marys. They are designed to be carried from location to location with the owner and so are likely to be harder to spot and track. I suspect that there's a good population of wireless-enabled PDAs with enough space and power for a worm to hide away in and without much or anything in the way of antivirus software to protect them. They are commonly used for communications applications, especially email and are regularly hooked up to PCs and the Internet.

  104. Tahya al-Moqawama al-Iraqiya! by Moqawama · · Score: 1

    Tahya al-Moqawama al-Iraqiya!

    11 September comes again to American shores, soon. The blood of our brothers in Iraq will be avenged by the blood of Americans one thousand times over. Their cities will be ablaze.

    DEATH TO AMERICAN DOGS AND THE ZIONISTS THAT CONTROL THEM.

    Tahya al-Moqawama al-Iraqiya!