Someone already mentioned that current RH/Fedora versions let you verify your CDs first.
Fedora also fails gracefully. I had some media problems and was able to make new CDs and continue without having to outsmart the installer (as another poster discribed.)
One of us isn't making any sense. You didn't have sex with her. So you weren't in a sexual relationship* with her. How does not having sex with other women prevent this from happening?
More to the point, not having sex with this woman did not prevent the unfortunate incident. Why do you expect not having sex with other women to prevent further incidents?
Can you not see your miserable failure of logic?
-Peter
* This depends somewhat on semantics, but is acceptable for our purposes.
Releasing regional versions as they are ready does not require (or benefit from) lock-out codes. If the initial release kills the market for localized versions, so much the better for the studio.
Doing away with lock-out codes would allow people in "other" markets to use (buy) the initial release if they choose. Currently their only choice is "piracy." Who does that help?
You therefore have a choice. You can use works distributed under the GPL to create your own software and license that under the GPL, or you can NOT USE the GPL software and use any license you want.
I don't think you mean what you said here. I think you meant to say that you can choose not to integrate the GPL software's code into your own code that you plan to distribute.
Anyone absolutely may use any piece of GPLed software any way he'd like. Anyone may use GPLed source code in any way he'd like. If, and only if, he chooses to distribute that derivative code (or a binary version of same) must any terms be met.
This distinction is important and fundamental to the GPL.
Or you could even patronize the GNU Press. Canonical documentation, and the money goes back to the fine folks that brought us the Free Software in question.
I also think that the FSF's contributions to "the community" in general an Free *NIX in particular are woefully under-appreciated.
I corresponded with RMS on one occasion and the whole "GNU/Linux" thing came up. He was totally reasonable about it, in stark contrast with his (apparently undeserved) reputation.
The guy is an idealist. I think that's a rare and wonderful thing in such a cynical world. I wonder how all the anti-RMS sentiment out there started.
I'm getting a 1911 and having "The Truth" engraved on the slide.
And watch, Tarintino's next movie will feature S. Jackson carrying just such a gun. He'll stick it in some guy's face, ask him a question, then say "Go on, muthafucka, tell The Truth!"
It's called a massive installed base and maintaining backward compatibility.
User interface is not a compatibility issue. Your argument is completely specious.
As I said in another reply in this thread, why not support a "classic" interface and develop an "un-fucked" one as well?
if you are mainly used to dealing with Microsoft, Backwards compatibility is probably a foreign concept to you.
Your assumptions about my experience couldn't be more wrong. As it happens I only use Free Software at home (which is where I do most of my computing). I do most of my (limited) computer work with OpenOffice.org. At my previous job I was fortunate enough to be able to run GNU/Linux at work as well.
I'm not sure what your point was, but it seems to have been misdirected anyway.
Most of the "non-standard" features in Notes are a direct result of two factors; Notes was created prior to a market-dominating windowing interface and needed it's own paradigm and it was and is multi-platform (although the Mac client is the only non-Windoze one left these days, it previously had OS/2, AIX, and Solaris clients).
How is any of this relevent to recent (if we can consider 2001 recent) versions?
I'm amazed at how the normally anti-MS/. crowd so happily wishes everything to conform to Microsoft's interface views which aren't even completely consistent across all the Office suite products.
I'm about as anti-MS as they get. I don't see a disconnect between that view and desiring applications that are 1. consistant with the UI elemnets on the platform they run on and 2. are internally consistant in interface and metaphor.
In summary:
IBM bought a turd.
They did a little polishing on the turd.
They continue to sell a turd.
Does any of this make it not a turd?
-Peter
PS: Well, I guess I can kiss the dream of working at IBM goodbye.
I have to use notes at work and it is the worst mail client I have ever used, by a comfortable margin.
Parts of the interface dissapear when the window is inactive. It can't remember that I want to start up in mail. It can't remember that I want a preview pane. Occasionally the preview pane gets confused and displays the body of a message adjacent to the message header that is selected. The buttons are non-standard. The UI medaphor is glaringly inconstant.
Oh, and it gives me a new mail message, but the new mail isn't listed until I manually refresh half the time.
This is with 5.0.8. Maybe some of these bugs are fixed in newer versions.
Anyway, I am skeptical about anything mail related (or UI related for that matter) that comes from the vendor of such a piece of poop.
This guy is an Economist, so clearly he should be telling IT managers and software developers how to do their jobs. Uh. Or something.*
The reality is that if those vaunted market forces push the development of a proprietary app away from your needs you are screwed. If you want bug fixes you have to take (buy) whatever they give (sell) you. But with "Open Source" you can minimally do your own fork that keeps functionality as desired, but allows you to make (or contract for) bug fixes and enhancements.
There is even some hope that a more general fork will break your way. No chance of this with a proprietary package.
By the way, was there supposed to be an article or something?
-Peter
P.S. These are the same guys that went on about "the new economy" a few years ago, and are now talking about "the continued move to a service-based economy" and nodding sagely. Like Meteorologists, they pump inadequate data through flawed models, and then expect us to take them seriously.
By "file integrity checker" I presume they mean something like AIDE.
One makes hashes of each file and stores them on a non-networked system and/or read-only media. Then periodically runs a check (hopefully from a statically linked binary that is also on RO media) on the files and compares the hashes.
If they match (and any number of other conditions are met, like the machine and the media the hashes were stored on are physically secure, etc.) you can say with reasonable certainty that the files are unmolested.
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Someone already mentioned that current RH/Fedora versions let you verify your CDs first.
Fedora also fails gracefully. I had some media problems and was able to make new CDs and continue without having to outsmart the installer (as another poster discribed.)
-Peter
One of us isn't making any sense. You didn't have sex with her. So you weren't in a sexual relationship* with her. How does not having sex with other women prevent this from happening?
More to the point, not having sex with this woman did not prevent the unfortunate incident. Why do you expect not having sex with other women to prevent further incidents?
Can you not see your miserable failure of logic?
-Peter
* This depends somewhat on semantics, but is acceptable for our purposes.
I have no desire to encourage anyone to engage in casual sex, but what you've said makes no sense.
You didn't have sex with her, and you hope to avoid such problems in the future by not having sex with other women?
-Peter
Your comment almost makes sense.
Releasing regional versions as they are ready does not require (or benefit from) lock-out codes. If the initial release kills the market for localized versions, so much the better for the studio.
Doing away with lock-out codes would allow people in "other" markets to use (buy) the initial release if they choose. Currently their only choice is "piracy." Who does that help?
The only thing left standing is price-fixing.
-Peter
I don't think you mean what you said here. I think you meant to say that you can choose not to integrate the GPL software's code into your own code that you plan to distribute.
Anyone absolutely may use any piece of GPLed software any way he'd like. Anyone may use GPLed source code in any way he'd like. If, and only if, he chooses to distribute that derivative code (or a binary version of same) must any terms be met.
This distinction is important and fundamental to the GPL.
-Peter
Debian is a big project, and includes a GNU/NetBSD distro.
-Peter
But GNU exists, and is active use. HURD exists, but is, as you say, complete.
You seem to mean HURD, not GNU/HURD. HURD is a kernel*, where GNU/HURD is a system, like GNU/Linux is a system . . same software, different kernel.
You can go to http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/download.html and get HURD (such as it is). Hardly vapor.
-Peter
*Of course the HURD is really a micro-kernel and a bunch of daemons that do the work traditionally done by an OS kernel, but let's not get pedantic.
-P
GNU/Linux has been running on 64 bit systems for years.
Linux' x86 64 bit support is as mature as any.
What the hell are you talking about?
-Peter
Or you could even patronize the GNU Press. Canonical documentation, and the money goes back to the fine folks that brought us the Free Software in question.
-Peter
Can anyone offer any explanation why it has a flash card in addition to the hard disk?
:-)
The article says:
32MB Compact Flash (used for booting the system in conjunction with the hard drive)
The only thing I can think of is decreasing the boot time.
I'm genuinely soliciting comments here. My mind is boggled. (Doesn't take much
-Peter
I was just going to ask how many MCA slots it has. Thanks for taking the wind out of my sails.
-Peter
Well said.
I think they both do some good work.
I also think that the FSF's contributions to "the community" in general an Free *NIX in particular are woefully under-appreciated.
I corresponded with RMS on one occasion and the whole "GNU/Linux" thing came up. He was totally reasonable about it, in stark contrast with his (apparently undeserved) reputation.
The guy is an idealist. I think that's a rare and wonderful thing in such a cynical world. I wonder how all the anti-RMS sentiment out there started.
-Peter
Brilliant!
I'm getting a 1911 and having "The Truth" engraved on the slide.
And watch, Tarintino's next movie will feature S. Jackson carrying just such a gun. He'll stick it in some guy's face, ask him a question, then say "Go on, muthafucka, tell The Truth!"
-Peter
Or better still, pipe it through a nearly transparent proxy that changes the amount to $100 and changes the destination bank account to your own.
And put that on Kazaa.
I love XML.
-Peter
User interface is not a compatibility issue. Your argument is completely specious.
As I said in another reply in this thread, why not support a "classic" interface and develop an "un-fucked" one as well?
Your assumptions about my experience couldn't be more wrong. As it happens I only use Free Software at home (which is where I do most of my computing). I do most of my (limited) computer work with OpenOffice.org. At my previous job I was fortunate enough to be able to run GNU/Linux at work as well.
I'm not sure what your point was, but it seems to have been misdirected anyway.
-Peter
Sound like you need to switch your FTP client to "binary."
-Peter
Well, they are the multi-billion behemoth , so I guess I will have to defer to them.
:-P
But I would think that even dyed-in-the-wool notes users would appropriate notes working like every other freaking app on their systems.
And this is software, after all. A little check box for "classic interface" might let them serve everyone and suck less.
Maybe they figure no one will ever be able to find that check box
-Peter
How is any of this relevent to recent (if we can consider 2001 recent) versions?
I'm about as anti-MS as they get. I don't see a disconnect between that view and desiring applications that are 1. consistant with the UI elemnets on the platform they run on and 2. are internally consistant in interface and metaphor.
In summary:
Does any of this make it not a turd?
-Peter
PS: Well, I guess I can kiss the dream of working at IBM goodbye.
-P
Spcifically, it is the "Go Back" . . . "Open URL" buttons at the far right of menu bar.
I don't see anything relevent in there anywhere.
Who's idea was it to put preferences under "file" anyway?
-Peter
I've got to second AC here.
I have to use notes at work and it is the worst mail client I have ever used, by a comfortable margin.
Parts of the interface dissapear when the window is inactive. It can't remember that I want to start up in mail. It can't remember that I want a preview pane. Occasionally the preview pane gets confused and displays the body of a message adjacent to the message header that is selected. The buttons are non-standard. The UI medaphor is glaringly inconstant.
Oh, and it gives me a new mail message, but the new mail isn't listed until I manually refresh half the time.
This is with 5.0.8. Maybe some of these bugs are fixed in newer versions.
Anyway, I am skeptical about anything mail related (or UI related for that matter) that comes from the vendor of such a piece of poop.
-Peter
This guy is an Economist, so clearly he should be telling IT managers and software developers how to do their jobs. Uh. Or something.*
The reality is that if those vaunted market forces push the development of a proprietary app away from your needs you are screwed. If you want bug fixes you have to take (buy) whatever they give (sell) you. But with "Open Source" you can minimally do your own fork that keeps functionality as desired, but allows you to make (or contract for) bug fixes and enhancements.
There is even some hope that a more general fork will break your way. No chance of this with a proprietary package.
By the way, was there supposed to be an article or something?
-Peter
P.S. These are the same guys that went on about "the new economy" a few years ago, and are now talking about "the continued move to a service-based economy" and nodding sagely. Like Meteorologists, they pump inadequate data through flawed models, and then expect us to take them seriously.
But he definitely wrote (or at least took the "credit" for writing):
in "The Road Ahead".
-Peter
Does anyone have an old, cached copy of the DNS record for rsync.gentoo.org?
.
Diff it against what's out there now and we're only a quick trip to http://arin.net/whois from knowing who it was . .
-Peter
By "file integrity checker" I presume they mean something like AIDE.
One makes hashes of each file and stores them on a non-networked system and/or read-only media. Then periodically runs a check (hopefully from a statically linked binary that is also on RO media) on the files and compares the hashes.
If they match (and any number of other conditions are met, like the machine and the media the hashes were stored on are physically secure, etc.) you can say with reasonable certainty that the files are unmolested.
-Peter
I don't use hotmail, but . . .
What happens if you just turn JS off? One would hope that the page continues to function . . . but with real anchor links.
But this is MS Hotmail, so who knows?
-Peter