First, the title, which I assume was written timothy, implies that the foundation itself is being used. The Slashdot editors' understanding of any topic is a shaky place to start when drawing conclusions.
Second, the person who is actually doing this used the verb "sink". That generally does not imply "horizontal".
On this basis I dismiss your implication that the assumption of horizontal placement of the tubing is on equal footing with the assumption that it is sunk into the Earth.
Okay. But the vertical orientation makes much, much more sense for geocoupled cooling. Six meters is not very deep if you are using well drilling equipment. Then you just drop your loop in and backfill. I imagine you'd end up paying a minimum trip rate to a well drilling company, as this would be a trivial job for them.
I see that Home Depot sells ten-foot lengths. I imagine this is where six meters comes from. Four of those, two elbows, three couples and you're there.
This is all small potatoes if you're getting a slab poured and a house built on top of it.
I just don't see trying to do geocoupled cooling with a pipe that's coupled to the surface of the ground. That's just . . . nonsensical.
Your appeal to authority aside, what you say doesn't make much sense.
For what possible reason would the pipe be run horizontally? Clearly the pipe is going to run vertically, protruding through the concrete in two places, and then into the Earth below the slab. Why would this affect the thickness of the slab?
According to copper.org concrete that doesn't contain high levels of sulfur is fine against concrete, thought measures must be taken to allow for thermal expansion and contraction. A little care is all that is required here.
How in the world is a pipe that is thermally tied to the Earth six-freaking-meters deep, with heated water being pumped into it EVER going to freeze? I can't imagine a habitable location on Earth where this could happen. (You seem a little Science impaired, so, for the record, 6 meters is all but twenty feet.) Minnesota state building codes list the frost line as 1.5 meters in Northern Minnesota! There is literally no place on Earth where you could pour a slab and have it cure properly (without extraordinary measures) where this is a valid concern.
While what you say about concrete curing is absolutely true, anyone who has ever poured concrete can tell you that the heat given off becomes nearly undetectable (and for this purpose, negligible) on a scale of days. I can't find any data, but it seems safe to assume that the heat given off would be proportional to the strength. The strength curve is so sharp that after three weeks it's reached 90%, yet it continues to gain strength over the course of many years thereafter.
So, not one of your concerns appears to require more than a modest amount of care to overcome.
Microsoft still doesn't sell PCs, right? I'm typing this in a little white MacBook with XP installed. (Though I'm running OS X right now, as I do, in fact, the vast majority of the time.)
But someone who isn't familiar with Korean geography gains nothing from this description. They might have well said, "It's in the same country as Seoul." given the relative locations of the two points of interest. In fact that might have been less likely to lead someone to the wrong conclusions, given that calling out Seoul implies that it's the nearest point of interest.
I might have said, "On the South West coast of South Korea." instead.
In fact, I just realized that Nagasaki, Japan, which I think is reasonably well known in the US, is closer to the Naro Space Center than Seoul is!
WTF? Naro and Seoul are damn near the two widest flung points in the R.o.K. This is a bit like describing NASA's Houston control facility as "1200 miles South West of Washington D.C." It's correct, but not particularly useful.
I think this is what I meant by "not 'viral' enough". But I think that this is usually a strength, not a shortcoming, of the GPL.
This gets pretty philosophical, and there are many valid viewpoints. But I think that any use of GPLed code that doesn't involve directly using the source code, linking, or modifying the GPLed code should be allowable without restriction.
Also, none of this conjecture really makes sense in light of the conclusion of the article, which seems to be "use the MIT license", which is offers no defense even to linking.
I only skimmed the article, but I don't understand the problem proposed by using a GPL licensed freecell solver that communicates over IP. Is he complaining that it's not "viral" enough in this case? Because this case carries no restrictions. In fact, the user, end user or server administrator, doesn't even have to agree to the terms of the GPL in this case!
Presumably the support is in the bundled apps (Mail and iCal), but require some new licensing. If Apple has to pay Microsoft for each license, it doesn't seem strange that Apple would expect remuneration from each user.
Since these are "free" (bundled) apps, the clear path is a system release. Other approaches would be awkward. A paid point release with a parallel free version that doesn't upgrade Mail and iCal? Turn "Exchange" versions of Mail and iCal into paid downloads, while keeping the bundled versions free?
The situation is similar with the iPhone. 3.0 added Exchange support. The cost is obscured a bit by the fact that it is recouped through the ongoing service contract.
Could this be worked around with some language in the license along the lines that 1. We disclaim liability. 2. If such a disclaimer is not valid in your jurisdiction, we do not extend you license to use this software?
I generally agree with your post. But this comment shows that you aren't very clear on how Kindle works. It's all wireless magic. I briefly used Kindle on iPhone. You "buy" a book and it just appears. If you have multiple devices they all know what page you're on. If you drop your Kindle in the tub, presumably you buy another one and all of the content reappears.
It's all DRMed to high-heaven, and backup isn't on Amazon's agenda.
-Peter
PS: I'm also a generally happy Amazon customer. I'll buy their digital music, but not their digital books!
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Why choose? I'm highly trained at a few things, and have a working knowledge of many, many more.
-Peter
Be forewarned that Netfix on Xbox 360 requires a subscription to Xbox LIVE Gold at fifty bucks a year.
-Peter
Clicking the link? You know I can have you thrown out of here for that, right?
-Peter
I just looked at the summary again. Two points.
First, the title, which I assume was written timothy, implies that the foundation itself is being used. The Slashdot editors' understanding of any topic is a shaky place to start when drawing conclusions.
Second, the person who is actually doing this used the verb "sink". That generally does not imply "horizontal".
On this basis I dismiss your implication that the assumption of horizontal placement of the tubing is on equal footing with the assumption that it is sunk into the Earth.
-Peter
Okay. But the vertical orientation makes much, much more sense for geocoupled cooling. Six meters is not very deep if you are using well drilling equipment. Then you just drop your loop in and backfill. I imagine you'd end up paying a minimum trip rate to a well drilling company, as this would be a trivial job for them.
I see that Home Depot sells ten-foot lengths. I imagine this is where six meters comes from. Four of those, two elbows, three couples and you're there.
This is all small potatoes if you're getting a slab poured and a house built on top of it.
I just don't see trying to do geocoupled cooling with a pipe that's coupled to the surface of the ground. That's just . . . nonsensical.
-Peter
Your appeal to authority aside, what you say doesn't make much sense.
For what possible reason would the pipe be run horizontally? Clearly the pipe is going to run vertically, protruding through the concrete in two places, and then into the Earth below the slab. Why would this affect the thickness of the slab?
According to copper.org concrete that doesn't contain high levels of sulfur is fine against concrete, thought measures must be taken to allow for thermal expansion and contraction. A little care is all that is required here.
How in the world is a pipe that is thermally tied to the Earth six-freaking-meters deep, with heated water being pumped into it EVER going to freeze? I can't imagine a habitable location on Earth where this could happen. (You seem a little Science impaired, so, for the record, 6 meters is all but twenty feet.) Minnesota state building codes list the frost line as 1.5 meters in Northern Minnesota! There is literally no place on Earth where you could pour a slab and have it cure properly (without extraordinary measures) where this is a valid concern.
While what you say about concrete curing is absolutely true, anyone who has ever poured concrete can tell you that the heat given off becomes nearly undetectable (and for this purpose, negligible) on a scale of days. I can't find any data, but it seems safe to assume that the heat given off would be proportional to the strength. The strength curve is so sharp that after three weeks it's reached 90%, yet it continues to gain strength over the course of many years thereafter.
So, not one of your concerns appears to require more than a modest amount of care to overcome.
-Peter
Microsoft still doesn't sell PCs, right? I'm typing this in a little white MacBook with XP installed. (Though I'm running OS X right now, as I do, in fact, the vast majority of the time.)
It's the best XP box I've ever had!
-Peter
But someone who isn't familiar with Korean geography gains nothing from this description. They might have well said, "It's in the same country as Seoul." given the relative locations of the two points of interest. In fact that might have been less likely to lead someone to the wrong conclusions, given that calling out Seoul implies that it's the nearest point of interest.
I might have said, "On the South West coast of South Korea." instead.
In fact, I just realized that Nagasaki, Japan, which I think is reasonably well known in the US, is closer to the Naro Space Center than Seoul is!
-Peter
WTF? Naro and Seoul are damn near the two widest flung points in the R.o.K. This is a bit like describing NASA's Houston control facility as "1200 miles South West of Washington D.C." It's correct, but not particularly useful.
-Peter
Of course, this was my original thesis, under all the irony.
-Peter
I'll admit that I don't follow UK politics very closely. But I thought that draconian censorship was more of a Tory thing.
-Peter
I think this is what I meant by "not 'viral' enough". But I think that this is usually a strength, not a shortcoming, of the GPL.
This gets pretty philosophical, and there are many valid viewpoints. But I think that any use of GPLed code that doesn't involve directly using the source code, linking, or modifying the GPLed code should be allowable without restriction.
Also, none of this conjecture really makes sense in light of the conclusion of the article, which seems to be "use the MIT license", which is offers no defense even to linking.
-Peter
Isn't the Labour party in power? Aren't they the good guys? Won't they pass a sensible, populist law?
-Peter
I only skimmed the article, but I don't understand the problem proposed by using a GPL licensed freecell solver that communicates over IP. Is he complaining that it's not "viral" enough in this case? Because this case carries no restrictions. In fact, the user, end user or server administrator, doesn't even have to agree to the terms of the GPL in this case!
This is what he calls a minefield?!
-Peter
Presumably the support is in the bundled apps (Mail and iCal), but require some new licensing. If Apple has to pay Microsoft for each license, it doesn't seem strange that Apple would expect remuneration from each user.
Since these are "free" (bundled) apps, the clear path is a system release. Other approaches would be awkward. A paid point release with a parallel free version that doesn't upgrade Mail and iCal? Turn "Exchange" versions of Mail and iCal into paid downloads, while keeping the bundled versions free?
The situation is similar with the iPhone. 3.0 added Exchange support. The cost is obscured a bit by the fact that it is recouped through the ongoing service contract.
-Peter
Uh-huh.
I bet they LOVE you in Vegas!
-Peter
Don't feed the AC trolls! Anyone even casually familiar with how all this works knows that The Pirate Bay, in fact, does host .torrent files.
-Peter
Ice Cube. Ice T is the "gangster" who plays a cop on TV. Ice Cube is the "gangster" who plays an overwhelmed boyfriend in silly movies.
I was so bad at picking role models as a youth. *sigh*
Also, I just turned 34, I'm over weight, I rarely play video games, and I'm dating a beautiful woman. Each of us is a unique aberration.
I am pretty stoked for Batman: Arkham Asylum, though.
-Peter
So, the business model is to take away the things that people are probably most interested in, and start charging for whatever is left?
I can't wait for the IPO!
-Peter
Before I read this story, I had never even heard of this psychotic skank! That ho should fire her PR guy and hire her lawyer in his place!
Trick-ass bitch.
-Peter
Must be an Americanization of Brittany spears, which, of course, are French polearms.
-Peter
Could this be worked around with some language in the license along the lines that 1. We disclaim liability. 2. If such a disclaimer is not valid in your jurisdiction, we do not extend you license to use this software?
-Peter
I've been working on a grand unified theory of adhesion for years. My calculations predicted sticky threads on message boards.
I'm currently seeking funding for my duct tape accelerator. I don't think the EU is going to be fooled twice, though.
-Peter
I generally agree with your post. But this comment shows that you aren't very clear on how Kindle works. It's all wireless magic. I briefly used Kindle on iPhone. You "buy" a book and it just appears. If you have multiple devices they all know what page you're on. If you drop your Kindle in the tub, presumably you buy another one and all of the content reappears.
It's all DRMed to high-heaven, and backup isn't on Amazon's agenda.
-Peter
PS: I'm also a generally happy Amazon customer. I'll buy their digital music, but not their digital books!
And it is the court's place to decide if such boilerplate actually indemnifies Amazon.
-Peter