What's that one? You can't unlock the screensaver without a local password if you've logged in via Kerb ?
It bugs me even more that loginwindow itself doesn't talk to PAM, it just talks to the SecurityServer directly.
Makes PAM almost useless imho... I'd love to be able to do native radius auth at the desktop....
That's completely different, and you bloody well know it.
This isn't an "embrace and extend" kind of extended... Apple is still running OpenLDAP, they haven't broken interopability at all, not like what Microsoft did with Kerberos/Active Directory at all.
Any other LDAP client that implements the standard can still talk to Apple's install of OpenLDAP...
Just to clarify something, although Apple have included PAM in OS X 10.2, it's kind of useless, as/etc/pam.d/login isn't actually consulted at the login window.
yeah. brain dead and bloody annoying.
Apple haven't broken LDAP by modifying it. They are using OpenLDAP, which is published under an open source licence.
All they have done is provide a bridge and NetInfo schema such that current NetInfo account information can be published via LDAP directly from the NetInfo database.
They're not the bad guys here.
can't be TinkerTool or Dave, as I haven't got them installed...
I even moved all my Chimera prefs out of the way and did a fresh install it was annoying me so much...
thanks for the heads up though...
You sure? I only stopped using nightlies a week or so ago and switched to Mozilla.
Click on some articles, then hit back in your browser. 90% of the time Chimera would crash for me...
cool if they've fixed it though.
Now, correct me if I am wrong, cause, hey, I probably am, but does this not seem like just one more subtle insult from Apple to Microsoft? Well-deserved, I might add, but why all these recent jabs?
I don't think so. There are some subtle digs, but generally it's a very honest article, it praises the good things and discusses the bad things.
Stuff like this:
"In general, the Mac version of Explorer is more strict in its standards compliance and supports more of the standards, while the Windows version supports more Microsoft proprietary styles and JScript methods"
I've actually found Mozilla to work on more sites than Chimera does at the moment...
I like the look and idea of Chimera, but I read the Sydney Morning Herald online a fair bit, and it regularly crashes if you go to an article and then go back to the main page. Something to do with their annoying flash ads..
Her column is bloody excellent for browser discussion. Always informative and well researched.
I could be wrong, but none of those bugs seemed to address the major problem I have with IE on Mac (apart from it being dog slow...), that weird bug where it doesn't render large slabs of a page at all unless you click on it or resize the window...
unless that's a result of the overflowing/clipping bug...
Actually, you weren't half right, you were not right at all.
lookup does not run in single user mode, but runs in multi-user mode (the normal mode of operation).
The files are actually kind of wrong as of 10.2, as the flat files do get consulted in multi user mode, and do so before the NetInfo database does.
ie,
Dictionary: "Network Configuration" LookupOrder: Cache FF DNS NI DS _config_name: Network Configuration
See how 'FF' gets consulted before 'NI' ? This means that the flat file does get looked at. 'DNS' is self explanatory, and 'DS' stands for Directory Services like LDAP...
Kind of. The big change in 10.2 was that now the FFAgent (for using traditional flat files like/etc/passwd) is consulted before NIAgent (which looks up info in NetInfo).
This is actually really convenient. It gives people the choice of either method as well as allowing you to use flat files to override settings in NIAgent and DNSAgent (which yeah, looks up DNS...)
you can check the LookupOrder by running lookupd in debug mode.
lookupd -d
and then typing "configuration" at the lookupd prompt.
This article at macdevcenter was lame. A much more useful link for people coming from another unix to OSX is The Rosetta Stone for UNIX.
I guess you're just an office suite/browser person then? Try doing some serious work with multimedia and you'll realise you could happily use a 10Ghz machine and still use all the cpu power you had....
Heh. me too. Final year Philosophy major dropout after switching from astrophysics...
There seems to be this point people get to in their philosophy degrees where you realise you're either going to go into academia, or the things you've learnt in philosophy are already going to benefit you and the bit of paper doesn't matter all *that* much....
The skills you learn in philosophy are so so SO applicable to working in IT. Generic problem solving, being able to look at the rules of a system and work within it, and yet still think outside the box.
Oh and don't forget scepticism... A truly invaluable tool for those of us in IT...:)
I basically got to a point where I couldn't afford the debt of going to uni anymore (things work a little differently in australia...) and there was just too much IT work around not to pick up on it.
I was under the impression the hysteria surrounding the 303 had passed...
There was a time a decade or so ago when they were one of the few boxes you could get to make those sort of noises with that kind of interface, but surely all the fools and their money have been parted by now?
I never made acid anyhow... those kinds of squealing synthlines give me the shits.
NetInfo itself works fine. What's the bugs you see?
If you're talking about NetInfo Home Directories, then it's applications that cause the bugs. KeyChain, MS Office, these are the cause of the bugs, not NetInfo itself.
Of course, a lot of people have problems cause they haven't set up their directories properly, but that's another problem....
There are some bugs and missing essential features in OSXS 10.1 that Apple really need to release an update for free to fix. If the only way you can get these fixes is to pay for another full licence to OSXS 10.2, well, that just isn't right...
Ok, so I can let slide that there's no upgrade pricing from OS X 10.1 to 10.2, but when it comes to Server.... this just isn't right.
Those of us who need the features of 10.1 Server Unlimited (Mac Manager, nice NetInfo user management, more than 10 AFP connections at once) and shelled out for it, shouldn't have to buy whole new licences just to upgrade our boxes.
Sure, there are a bunch of new features that are worth paying for, but not the full price...
First Apple shafted us by not offering an upgrade from OS X Server 1.02 to OS X Server 1.2v3. Then they didn't offer any kind of discount from 1.x to 10.x. Now there's no upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2.
OK, so they're just following past history here, but this is the most unreasonable of the lot imho....
An xserve might fit in nicely with the rest of my audio gear, but damned if I could cope with that level of background noise....
I've never heard how noisy one of the Marathon rackmounts ends up being either, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's noisier than a vanilla G4 is.
Better off getting those rackmout replacements for the G4 handles. Sure your box ends up taking up 6 rack units, but it would surely be quieter... though putting cds in and out could be a problem...
I've got one arriving next week, and from all reports, I'll be wanting to look into whacking it into my networking cabinet just to get it out of my room...
Not quite sure why Apple are marketing it as a workstation though....
Using Xserve as a rackmount workstation Digital video professionals who are thinking of using Xserve as a rackmount workstation can get built-to-order units from the Apple Store.
A while ago they definitely overshot the mark with the hype factor...
The problem is that they have had amazing "just one more thing" releases in the past at expos. It just seems like there's nothing up their sleeve at the moment....
Ah well. Hopefully 10.2 (and not 10.5 like some wack fools are claiming) will be out sooner, as it's definitely worth it, especially on the server release....
Must be hard to try and live up to your own hype machine....
Oh well. Another boring Expo with barely anything to announce... Maybe that's why the rumour sites don't get to get media passes, they'd simply implode at the difference between what they've been hoping, and what they're getting....
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What's that one? You can't unlock the screensaver without a local password if you've logged in via Kerb ? It bugs me even more that loginwindow itself doesn't talk to PAM, it just talks to the SecurityServer directly. Makes PAM almost useless imho... I'd love to be able to do native radius auth at the desktop....
That's completely different, and you bloody well know it. This isn't an "embrace and extend" kind of extended... Apple is still running OpenLDAP, they haven't broken interopability at all, not like what Microsoft did with Kerberos/Active Directory at all. Any other LDAP client that implements the standard can still talk to Apple's install of OpenLDAP...
Just to clarify something, although Apple have included PAM in OS X 10.2, it's kind of useless, as /etc/pam.d/login isn't actually consulted at the login window.
yeah. brain dead and bloody annoying.
Apple haven't broken LDAP by modifying it. They are using OpenLDAP, which is published under an open source licence.
All they have done is provide a bridge and NetInfo schema such that current NetInfo account information can be published via LDAP directly from the NetInfo database. They're not the bad guys here.
Yup... found it after complaining about it... :)
gotta say I hate that +1 bonus. stupid idea...
can't be TinkerTool or Dave, as I haven't got them installed... I even moved all my Chimera prefs out of the way and did a fresh install it was annoying me so much... thanks for the heads up though...
You sure? I only stopped using nightlies a week or so ago and switched to Mozilla. Click on some articles, then hit back in your browser. 90% of the time Chimera would crash for me... cool if they've fixed it though.
Now, correct me if I am wrong, cause, hey, I probably am, but does this not seem like just one more subtle insult from Apple to Microsoft? Well-deserved, I might add, but why all these recent jabs?
I don't think so. There are some subtle digs, but generally it's a very honest article, it praises the good things and discusses the bad things.
Stuff like this:
"In general, the Mac version of Explorer is more strict in its standards compliance and supports more of the standards, while the Windows version supports more Microsoft proprietary styles and JScript methods"
of course that link should be this one for GoogleBar....
I've actually found Mozilla to work on more sites than Chimera does at the moment...
I like the look and idea of Chimera, but I read the Sydney Morning Herald online a fair bit, and it regularly crashes if you go to an article and then go back to the main page. Something to do with their annoying flash ads..
plus I get to use the GoogleBar....
Glad to see they got some of their data from CodeBitch's Mac Bug List.
Her column is bloody excellent for browser discussion. Always informative and well researched.
I could be wrong, but none of those bugs seemed to address the major problem I have with IE on Mac (apart from it being dog slow...), that weird bug where it doesn't render large slabs of a page at all unless you click on it or resize the window...
unless that's a result of the overflowing/clipping bug...
lookup does not run in single user mode, but runs in multi-user mode (the normal mode of operation).
The files are actually kind of wrong as of 10.2, as the flat files do get consulted in multi user mode, and do so before the NetInfo database does.
ie,
See how 'FF' gets consulted before 'NI' ? This means that the flat file does get looked at. 'DNS' is self explanatory, and 'DS' stands for Directory Services like LDAP...
"it uses NetInfo instead of /etc/hosts, /etc/group and /etc/passwd"
/etc/passwd) is consulted before NIAgent (which looks up info in NetInfo).
Kind of. The big change in 10.2 was that now the FFAgent (for using traditional flat files like
This is actually really convenient. It gives people the choice of either method as well as allowing you to use flat files to override settings in NIAgent and DNSAgent (which yeah, looks up DNS...) you can check the LookupOrder by running lookupd in debug mode.
lookupd -d
and then typing "configuration" at the lookupd prompt.
This article at macdevcenter was lame. A much more useful link for people coming from another unix to OSX is The Rosetta Stone for UNIX.
Or just browse MacOSXHints for an hour...
No-one NEEDs more than a P100 tops
Speak for yourself buddy.
I guess you're just an office suite/browser person then? Try doing some serious work with multimedia and you'll realise you could happily use a 10Ghz machine and still use all the cpu power you had....
Macs haven't used "enablers" for a long time, never in OS 9, and not since OS 7 if i remember correctly.
Heh. me too. Final year Philosophy major dropout after switching from astrophysics...
:)
There seems to be this point people get to in their philosophy degrees where you realise you're either going to go into academia, or the things you've learnt in philosophy are already going to benefit you and the bit of paper doesn't matter all *that* much....
The skills you learn in philosophy are so so SO applicable to working in IT. Generic problem solving, being able to look at the rules of a system and work within it, and yet still think outside the box.
Oh and don't forget scepticism... A truly invaluable tool for those of us in IT...
I basically got to a point where I couldn't afford the debt of going to uni anymore (things work a little differently in australia...) and there was just too much IT work around not to pick up on it.
I was under the impression the hysteria surrounding the 303 had passed...
There was a time a decade or so ago when they were one of the few boxes you could get to make those sort of noises with that kind of interface, but surely all the fools and their money have been parted by now?
I never made acid anyhow... those kinds of squealing synthlines give me the shits.
NetInfo itself works fine. What's the bugs you see?
If you're talking about NetInfo Home Directories, then it's applications that cause the bugs. KeyChain, MS Office, these are the cause of the bugs, not NetInfo itself.
Of course, a lot of people have problems cause they haven't set up their directories properly, but that's another problem....
(that i kind of forgot to mention...)
There are some bugs and missing essential features in OSXS 10.1 that Apple really need to release an update for free to fix. If the only way you can get these fixes is to pay for another full licence to OSXS 10.2, well, that just isn't right...
Ok, so I can let slide that there's no upgrade pricing from OS X 10.1 to 10.2, but when it comes to Server.... this just isn't right.
Those of us who need the features of 10.1 Server Unlimited (Mac Manager, nice NetInfo user management, more than 10 AFP connections at once) and shelled out for it, shouldn't have to buy whole new licences just to upgrade our boxes.
Sure, there are a bunch of new features that are worth paying for, but not the full price...
First Apple shafted us by not offering an upgrade from OS X Server 1.02 to OS X Server 1.2v3. Then they didn't offer any kind of discount from 1.x to 10.x. Now there's no upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2.
OK, so they're just following past history here, but this is the most unreasonable of the lot imho....
An xserve might fit in nicely with the rest of my audio gear, but damned if I could cope with that level of background noise....
I've never heard how noisy one of the Marathon rackmounts ends up being either, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's noisier than a vanilla G4 is.
Better off getting those rackmout replacements for the G4 handles. Sure your box ends up taking up 6 rack units, but it would surely be quieter... though putting cds in and out could be a problem...
Check out this mp3 file of the XServe fans....
more info and experiences at this guys homepage
I've got one arriving next week, and from all reports, I'll be wanting to look into whacking it into my networking cabinet just to get it out of my room...
Not quite sure why Apple are marketing it as a workstation though....
Using Xserve as a rackmount workstation
Digital video professionals who are thinking of using Xserve as a rackmount workstation can get built-to-order units from the Apple Store.
but it's also how they die..
A while ago they definitely overshot the mark with the hype factor...
The problem is that they have had amazing "just one more thing" releases in the past at expos. It just seems like there's nothing up their sleeve at the moment....
Ah well. Hopefully 10.2 (and not 10.5 like some wack fools are claiming) will be out sooner, as it's definitely worth it, especially on the server release....
Must be hard to try and live up to your own hype machine....
Oh well. Another boring Expo with barely anything to announce... Maybe that's why the rumour sites don't get to get media passes, they'd simply implode at the difference between what they've been hoping, and what they're getting....