Sometimes, when you pronounce a word wrong, it may mean something else - ghandi = Hindi for asshole. Gandhi = a last man's name. If you respect the man's message, respect his name. Perhaps it boosts your ego to preach - me I'm just surprised at how you can see a person's name flashed in your face a 1000 times, and yet still manage to spell it wrong. Now that I have corrected your error, I am just happy to see that one less person is unknowingly cursing the man's name.
Nope, because we already know this is Bush's fault. Yet Another Bush Supporter aspiring to raise that IQ above 10. Keep trying buddy someday you will. And u know the funny part. When you do raise that IQ, you'll realise you're actually a Democrat.
wow you've totally missed my point haven't you. I think I just laid out that if anything the outsourcing is temporary. Outsourcing to India and China are more unique then is given credit for. It's because our countries have a BIG population - this means lots of every type of person, including university graduates and english-speaking people. Once our countries' living standards rise, there won't be any other country with a population of our size to replace us as the new outsourcing recipient. The work will just be shipped off to a bunch of much smaller countries, or RETURN to the US of A. Another reason outsourcing works in India is because we're EXACTLY 12 hours ahead of PST. The time difference is an important factor for 24-hour support firms. We work a regular 9-5 (or 9-6) but help American companies maintain that 24 hour support. Other countries are geographically closer, thus they can't take advantage of that time difference, and thus have to pay their workers for the overtime. So again let me repeat. When India and China's standards of living rise (and they are rising), this outsourcing thing will go away, because there is no cheaper replacement with the size AND skills to match India/China. here are other countries with better skills, but they don't have the numbers. And if there is small amount of highly-skilled people, they charge more. So again, depending on how quickly Indian wages rise, and they are rising fast, this outsourcing will come to a quick end.
This guy's a known baiter. Check his previous posts. He seems to be some idiot Japanese/American with a very bigoted view. Thank God not all Americans think like this fudgepacker.
Everything you've said so far is good except for the Maybe in 3rd world nations were slave labour is fine
comment. Software Developers in India (including me) are paid 350 times the prevailing minimum wage in India. They aren't slaving away at all. That's the REAL reason outsourcing is working. Because the people in the 3rd-world companies are NOT being exploited. They're paid astronomical sums by their country's standard, but dirt cheap by American standards, so it works out just fine. This article may help. Eventually our salaries will rise (they've been rising about 6% every year for the past 5 years) and eventually the work will move elsewhere - or it might even move back to USA after y'all make a painful adjustment and decide to work for $30,000 instead of $40,000 At some point, it will no longer be worth the communication, distance and time lag problems to hire 50 Indian workers to do the work of 12 American developers. Yes the work might then be outsourced to the Philipines or China or some place but this is unlikely and I'll tell you why: The reason India is a chosen destination is population. There is just such a LARGE pool of english-speaking univeristy graduates relative to other developing nations. So philipines might take some of the work, but never as much as was shipped to India. China is unlikely, because its standard of living is already higher than India's. This means that Chinese workers are already more expensive than Indian ones (plus in terms of english-speaking people and IT China has some ways to go - by the time China catches up with India in this particular demographic its standard of living also be higher thus meaning that the price differentials between Chinese and American workers ain't too big so no outsourcing). In order for this to truly be a race to the bottom as all of you Slashdot panickers assume you would need another country of India/China's size in terms of population, with a standard of living lower than them and with a large percentage of young, university graduates that can speak the language of the western world. There is no other country. So this is what the future holds - American wages fall a little, Indian wages rise a LOT. It becomes financially unviable to outsource to India so some work comes BACK to the US, some work gets shipped to Sudan or the Philipines or Croatia or whatever and some other work stays in India. And now that India has higher wages, they start buying more developed world products, trade increases, your economy picks up again blah blah. But yes, if you're a software engineer, it'll be hard to find a job for the next 5 years or so - this all hinges on how fast Indian wages rise, and how fast American wages fall. If Americans are willing to work for less, then less jobs will be outsourced. I'm not saying you SHOULD be willing to work for less, I'm just stating the facts.
No no, you seem to have misunderstood. All the work is going to India, but with Canada as a midpoint. See the way it works is American A passes comment about how they can't understand those idiot Indians on the support line. So Capitalist Pig American CEO decides hmmm I'll outsource to a Canadian Company instead. People complain 2% less about Canadian accents than Indian ones. However, Canadian Company turns out to be a front for Indian Company. So American A STILL gets to listen to those apparently unintelligible Indian accents, but American CEO gets to claim we're not outsourcing our support to India, just to Canada. OTOH I haven't read TFA (I must be old here) so u may be referring to something stated in it...
The X-Files was shot up there. I remember Duchovny complaining about that and saying he'd want to be closer to his wife or something. Too lazy to google and post a link..
Well it's to be expected actually. The Empire is long gone, but its remnants are still intact. This gives rise to different variants of English. There's Indian English, American English, English of the Carribean, Australian English, blah blah. All of the former colonies adapted the language to their tastes, so I think it's only natural to specify which variant you are using. Unfortunately, there's a particular breed of Slashdot Americans that believes the only kind of language out there is 'American'. So what's considered Football in America is referred to as American Football outside it.. e.t.c.
You forgot Aluminiumable. I'm pretty sure that some cylinder blocks are all Aluminium. And no I have not mis-spelt it. That's how it's spelt in British English.
I'll be visiting the U.S. soon for 6 weeks or so, and want a cheap(?) connection with national roaming (no phone needed) along the lines listed above.
From what I've read up at most US wireless websites , you don't have an option - you HAVE to buy a phone with the plan. They don't allow you to just pop in a pre-paid SIM card, like they do in the uncivilised, savage and barbaric Rest-Of-The-GSM-World. But then this could just be my lack of R & D. Does anybody else know of any service plan in which you can use a mobile bought outside America (but Tri-Band equipped, of course)..?
Why won't Microsoft bring Office to Linux? Because that would undercut the Windows business.
Hafta take issue here....umm.. do you actually think that anybody in the Slashdot community would use Office if it were ported over to Linux? (I would, I don't mind Office as much as I dislike Windows, but I think I'm in a clear minority...)
Slightly OT but wouldn't the purposes of OSS be better served if they could find some kind of input into Galileo, the competitor to GPS? GPS is kinda dependent on the US-Military, and when Galileo comes on line it won't be....
Well... I'm kinda mixed on that statement. They didn't just 'say' whatever was required to become all-powerful, they went out and did it too. They were leaders after all, not the ones who swayed with the wind (Kerry-style)...at least AFAIK anyway...
#3 isn't as far-fetched as you could imagine - many countries (e.g. India & China ) were willing to commit their troops if the Iraq war got UN Approval (ok so they knew it wouldn't...). However, let's theoretically assume that it DID get UN approval - India, at least is obligated to provide a certain number of troops as UN peacekeepers. Initially USA had asked India & China to help in the Iraq war (Because China has the world's 2nd/3rd-largest standing army and India has the world's 4th/5th-largest). Can't speak for China, but India had to refuse because of the large amount of public opinion against the war - it was considered America's war. However, had it been UN-Approved (I know that sounds like a meaningless term to Americans, but it holds weight elsewhere), then it would have been a different story althogether. India and China both helped out in the Afghan War because the Taliban was a direct threat to both of them, but Iraq is not so clear-cut.
You know, the stereotypical politician is meant to be a Used-Car salesman. And frankly, I'd rather have a whore for president than somebody who is as naive as Bush...yes you heard me correctly - I'd rather have a sell-out like Kerry than somebody who actually stands for what they believe in - like Bush. I believe that ruling the most powerful country in the world means that you have demonstrate some flexibility. This is isn't frikkin' Little League, where there is Good and Bad, Right & Wrong. There are lots of shades of grey, and they all need to be dealt with in their own way. Most Americans don't want to look into the causes behind the 9/11 butchers, but the fact is that they were idealists too - true believers to their cause and look what they accomplished. The same goes for Lenin, Mao, e.t.c. When your politicians are selling out to the highest bidder, that's when you know everything's ok in the world. If they start taking up causes, and preaching The Right Way & The Wrong Way or With Us or Against Us policies, that's when it's time to be afraid.
Aw c'mon this has got to be among the funniest trolls out there. Note that the buttons pressed are only on the LEFT side of the keyboard....I'm still laughing, at least somebody give it an underrated (and avoid moderating my post at all, comprendo?)
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Sometimes, when you pronounce a word wrong, it may mean something else - ghandi = Hindi for asshole. Gandhi = a last man's name. If you respect the man's message, respect his name. Perhaps it boosts your ego to preach - me I'm just surprised at how you can see a person's name flashed in your face a 1000 times, and yet still manage to spell it wrong. Now that I have corrected your error, I am just happy to see that one less person is unknowingly cursing the man's name.
In Soviet Russia, The (manchurian) FireFox candidate releases YOU!
Nope, because we already know this is Bush's fault. Yet Another Bush Supporter aspiring to raise that IQ above 10. Keep trying buddy someday you will. And u know the funny part. When you do raise that IQ, you'll realise you're actually a Democrat.
For fuck's sake the man's name is GANDHI. Not GHANDI.
wow you've totally missed my point haven't you. I think I just laid out that if anything the outsourcing is temporary. Outsourcing to India and China are more unique then is given credit for. It's because our countries have a BIG population - this means lots of every type of person, including university graduates and english-speaking people. Once our countries' living standards rise, there won't be any other country with a population of our size to replace us as the new outsourcing recipient. The work will just be shipped off to a bunch of much smaller countries, or RETURN to the US of A. Another reason outsourcing works in India is because we're EXACTLY 12 hours ahead of PST. The time difference is an important factor for 24-hour support firms. We work a regular 9-5 (or 9-6) but help American companies maintain that 24 hour support. Other countries are geographically closer, thus they can't take advantage of that time difference, and thus have to pay their workers for the overtime. So again let me repeat. When India and China's standards of living rise (and they are rising), this outsourcing thing will go away, because there is no cheaper replacement with the size AND skills to match India/China. here are other countries with better skills, but they don't have the numbers. And if there is small amount of highly-skilled people, they charge more. So again, depending on how quickly Indian wages rise, and they are rising fast, this outsourcing will come to a quick end.
The thing is, does the Australian government run Linux? Yeehaw, first post. I rule! I beat the GNAA. Plus I have karma to burn. Bye now!
This guy's a known baiter. Check his previous posts. He seems to be some idiot Japanese/American with a very bigoted view. Thank God not all Americans think like this fudgepacker.
ID Cars eh? You have a flash a Merc at the door of club before they allow you to get in? That doesn't happen anywhere els...oh wait....
Everything you've said so far is good except for the
Maybe in 3rd world nations were slave labour is fine
comment. Software Developers in India (including me) are paid 350 times the prevailing minimum wage in India. They aren't slaving away at all. That's the REAL reason outsourcing is working. Because the people in the 3rd-world companies are NOT being exploited. They're paid astronomical sums by their country's standard, but dirt cheap by American standards, so it works out just fine. This article may help. Eventually our salaries will rise (they've been rising about 6% every year for the past 5 years) and eventually the work will move elsewhere - or it might even move back to USA after y'all make a painful adjustment and decide to work for $30,000 instead of $40,000 At some point, it will no longer be worth the communication, distance and time lag problems to hire 50 Indian workers to do the work of 12 American developers. Yes the work might then be outsourced to the Philipines or China or some place but this is unlikely and I'll tell you why: The reason India is a chosen destination is population. There is just such a LARGE pool of english-speaking univeristy graduates relative to other developing nations. So philipines might take some of the work, but never as much as was shipped to India. China is unlikely, because its standard of living is already higher than India's. This means that Chinese workers are already more expensive than Indian ones (plus in terms of english-speaking people and IT China has some ways to go - by the time China catches up with India in this particular demographic its standard of living also be higher thus meaning that the price differentials between Chinese and American workers ain't too big so no outsourcing). In order for this to truly be a race to the bottom as all of you Slashdot panickers assume you would need another country of India/China's size in terms of population, with a standard of living lower than them and with a large percentage of young, university graduates that can speak the language of the western world. There is no other country. So this is what the future holds - American wages fall a little, Indian wages rise a LOT. It becomes financially unviable to outsource to India so some work comes BACK to the US, some work gets shipped to Sudan or the Philipines or Croatia or whatever and some other work stays in India. And now that India has higher wages, they start buying more developed world products, trade increases, your economy picks up again blah blah. But yes, if you're a software engineer, it'll be hard to find a job for the next 5 years or so - this all hinges on how fast Indian wages rise, and how fast American wages fall. If Americans are willing to work for less, then less jobs will be outsourced. I'm not saying you SHOULD be willing to work for less, I'm just stating the facts.
No no, you seem to have misunderstood. All the work is going to India, but with Canada as a midpoint. See the way it works is American A passes comment about how they can't understand those idiot Indians on the support line. So Capitalist Pig American CEO decides hmmm I'll outsource to a Canadian Company instead. People complain 2% less about Canadian accents than Indian ones. However, Canadian Company turns out to be a front for Indian Company. So American A STILL gets to listen to those apparently unintelligible Indian accents, but American CEO gets to claim we're not outsourcing our support to India, just to Canada. OTOH I haven't read TFA (I must be old here) so u may be referring to something stated in it...
The X-Files was shot up there. I remember Duchovny complaining about that and saying he'd want to be closer to his wife or something. Too lazy to google and post a link..
Well it's to be expected actually. The Empire is long gone, but its remnants are still intact. This gives rise to different variants of English. There's Indian English, American English, English of the Carribean, Australian English, blah blah. All of the former colonies adapted the language to their tastes, so I think it's only natural to specify which variant you are using. Unfortunately, there's a particular breed of Slashdot Americans that believes the only kind of language out there is 'American'. So what's considered Football in America is referred to as American Football outside it.. e.t.c.
You forgot Aluminiumable. I'm pretty sure that some cylinder blocks are all Aluminium. And no I have not mis-spelt it. That's how it's spelt in British English.
I'll be visiting the U.S. soon for 6 weeks or so, and want a cheap(?) connection with national roaming (no phone needed) along the lines listed above.
From what I've read up at most US wireless websites , you don't have an option - you HAVE to buy a phone with the plan. They don't allow you to just pop in a pre-paid SIM card, like they do in the uncivilised, savage and barbaric Rest-Of-The-GSM-World. But then this could just be my lack of R & D. Does anybody else know of any service plan in which you can use a mobile bought outside America (but Tri-Band equipped, of course)..?
You also forgot the outsourcing of any remaining call-centre services, billing and payroll....
MS Linux exists, and has existed, for a while
Would u mind posting some links to support this? I googled and found zilch. Thanks.
Why won't Microsoft bring Office to Linux? Because that would undercut the Windows business.
Hafta take issue here....umm.. do you actually think that anybody in the Slashdot community would use Office if it were ported over to Linux? (I would, I don't mind Office as much as I dislike Windows, but I think I'm in a clear minority...)
I thought this guy was New Here...
What about
9. ????? 10. Profit!!! Wow, maybe I'm getting old. In Soviet Russia (jokes), Old memes are YOU!
Old news bub.
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Slightly OT but wouldn't the purposes of OSS be better served if they could find some kind of input into Galileo, the competitor to GPS? GPS is kinda dependent on the US-Military, and when Galileo comes on line it won't be....
Well... I'm kinda mixed on that statement. They didn't just 'say' whatever was required to become all-powerful, they went out and did it too. They were leaders after all, not the ones who swayed with the wind (Kerry-style)...at least AFAIK anyway...
#3 isn't as far-fetched as you could imagine - many countries (e.g. India & China ) were willing to commit their troops if the Iraq war got UN Approval (ok so they knew it wouldn't...). However, let's theoretically assume that it DID get UN approval - India, at least is obligated to provide a certain number of troops as UN peacekeepers. Initially USA had asked India & China to help in the Iraq war (Because China has the world's 2nd/3rd-largest standing army and India has the world's 4th/5th-largest). Can't speak for China, but India had to refuse because of the large amount of public opinion against the war - it was considered America's war. However, had it been UN-Approved (I know that sounds like a meaningless term to Americans, but it holds weight elsewhere), then it would have been a different story althogether. India and China both helped out in the Afghan War because the Taliban was a direct threat to both of them, but Iraq is not so clear-cut.
You know, the stereotypical politician is meant to be a Used-Car salesman. And frankly, I'd rather have a whore for president than somebody who is as naive as Bush...yes you heard me correctly - I'd rather have a sell-out like Kerry than somebody who actually stands for what they believe in - like Bush. I believe that ruling the most powerful country in the world means that you have demonstrate some flexibility. This is isn't frikkin' Little League, where there is Good and Bad, Right & Wrong. There are lots of shades of grey, and they all need to be dealt with in their own way. Most Americans don't want to look into the causes behind the 9/11 butchers, but the fact is that they were idealists too - true believers to their cause and look what they accomplished. The same goes for Lenin, Mao, e.t.c. When your politicians are selling out to the highest bidder, that's when you know everything's ok in the world. If they start taking up causes, and preaching The Right Way & The Wrong Way or With Us or Against Us policies, that's when it's time to be afraid.
Aw c'mon this has got to be among the funniest trolls out there. Note that the buttons pressed are only on the LEFT side of the keyboard....I'm still laughing, at least somebody give it an underrated (and avoid moderating my post at all, comprendo?)