Your original point was that Apple charges more than other vendors for the same hardware. You have failed to demonstrate that point. You lost the bet you proposed. I most assuredly was not trolling, unless that term has come to mean challenging obvious misrepresentations of the truth. Your statement, "My work here is done" sounds suspiciously like that of a contented troll.
In your previous post, you had made a very specific offer, "Pick any computer in their store there, and I'd bet you good money I can find you the same 50% price reduction on an equivalent PC from a reputable vendor." You failed to make good on your claim the first time and misrepresented the savings as "very consistently around 90 to 100% more expensive than a typical PC with identical components." In my response I pointed out several differences from "identical components" and I offered you the opportunity to correct your error and make good on your offer. From your response it is clear you intend to remain ignorant and intend to lie. I made no claim on the value (worth or cost) of those items, but you will find it impossible to find a truly similar configuration which does not add most of that cost difference - one often pays dearly for relatively minor variations in feature sets on products. The addition of those components will obviously drop the difference in price well out of the range you claim.
You would not enjoy selling me hardware. I would point out the difference between what was specified and what you offered and boot you out of my office. I do not tolerate vendors who are incompetent or dishonest. The "savings" you claim don't exist when there are substantial differences between the products.
Business Care versus consumer grade warranty is hardly an apples to apples comparison. Even so, my anecdotal evidence runs quite contrary to yours. Apple will send you a prepaid box if you don't want to go to their store. I do not know anyone whose computer took over six days, and I know of nobody whose computer they were unable to fix. Apple also includes diagnostic tools on DVD, maybe you weren't paying attention. Dell will ship you a hard drive and "let" you install it, but did you read the paperwork that came with the drive? If they ship you a bum drive, it's yours, and you will pay for it - I know my former employer did. In fact, they get your credit card number before they will discuss shipping anything to you. It isn't all lollypops and rainbows with Dell.
Of course we all know anecdotes are not evidence. Tom's Hardware: "Based on responses from owners of 3,685 laptop computers, Apple scored 86 points out of 100. Second place Lenovo earned a 63; third place Toshiba had 60; fourth place Dell has a 56; and HP/Compaq has a 53. Trailing far behind was Acer/Gateway/eMachines with 39."
Vocalabs survey: "Apple is still the leader in tech support, with 58% of customers saying that they were “Very Satisfied” with Apple’s support. However, although this is higher than Dell’s 47% satisfaction rate, and HP’s 53%, we should note that this is a whole 15 percentage points lower than what it was last year."
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"All the same specs"? God, I'd love to sell you hardware if you think those are the same specs. The computer you cite does not have a DVD burner, backlit keyboard, FireWire 800 port or Thunderbolt port which the MacBook has. USB 3 is half as fast as Thunderbolt, but the Acer does weigh less. While the Acer's card reader might look better with support for Memory Stick Pro and xD, the important one appears to be SD, not SDHC or SDXC as the MacBook has. Try again with at least the DVD, keyboard, and SDHC.
You are confusing the first recorded (written) decoration of christmas trees with when they were actually put into use. People who practice pagan rituals seldom document them when those rituals might get them killed by the local fanatics. All you know for certain from the documentation is that by the 15th century people in Germany did use Christmas trees without being killed for it.
C'mon moderators, before you mod something insightful, see if he stated the facts properly. The story says recipient, not buyer. Of course making the deduction from the buyer is obvious, but from the recipient that is... extraordinary, and fully worthy of such governmental protections.
How is an iPad not perfectly suited to the task? If an Android user must choose another tool to make online purchases, then that is a poor reflection on the capabilities of Android. I do not believe that to be the case. I suspect a lot of Android users are savvy enough to set their browser so it appears as a desktop browser so that they do not get the streamlined/reformatted feed.
At first glance I would agree - as long as Asus never uses any futuristic, apocalyptic or robotic imagery or sounds in their advertisements; that would probably get DreamWorks SKG and Paramount involved. If George Lucas can get a cut from Moto, Hasbro can do the same. Asus will back down or pay up just so they do some cool advertising.
A limited upgrade is better than being told to go pound sand so they are not the same. Also, there is a hardware reason - its Apples servers, you know, the ones that do Siri's legwork? If Apple had made Siri available to all iPhones Siri would have been slow and dull with the servers overloaded. I think you will see Siri rolled down to those other phones once Apple's new server farm goes on line.
If you buy Google's flagship devices you can also expect to pay as much or more as the highest priced iPhone and have less (albeit removable) memory.
Hasbro isn't going to let Asus use the name, "Android Prime".
What would be the ramifications of that? HTC offers a customized front end on all of their Android phones, Samsung on all but their Nexus, I believe, and so on, These manufacturers are doing this because they wish to differentiate their products from the pack, and they will not stop doing it. So these phones would not be considered "Android", and the iPhone would then be not only the leading smartphone, it would be the leading smartphone OS. I do not think any Android supporter wants that.
Perhaps it is you who has not been paying attention?
You may have jinxed
yourself. "The Samsung Galaxy S smartphone and 7-inch Galaxy Tab will not receive the latest version of Android, because Samsung has said its custom TouchWiz user interface, not Google's operating system, is too taxing on the hardware."
I find it interesting that you lead off telling us that you are going to compare your Transformer (Lame name - I'm glad Hasbro isn't going to let Asus use it anymore) to a borrowed iPad and then only mention either a couple of times. I do not own any devices running iOS and don't anticipate ever owning one, but you do not know what you talking about.
1) It is nice to know that you have gotten updates on two devices that are less than a year old. Both should run Ice Cream Sandwich, but I'll bet neither has it yet, so much for timely. Let us know how you fare next year. The vast majority of Android users (phone users or tablet users) did not receive updates after one year, if ever, that is the issue that bothers me the most with my next smartphone almost certainly being Android. iPhones? I thought you were going to address iPads, but the older iPhones did get the current OS update, they simply did not receive a new feature.
2) There is a shitload of apps for both OSes and the vast majority of them are crap, I found all the applications I am interested in to be available on both platforms, but there are more developers and applications for iOS than Android. As for backup, I believe that is what iCloud is for, but there ARE numerous third party applications out there.
3) iPod Classic and iPhone are how many generations apart? If converting media for the iPad takes ages, you are doing it wrong. It should add a few seconds to the transfer time. Your point on use as a flash drive is good, but the connector - well let's just say that if you use a USB port to connect your android device to most cars you must use your touchscreen to change songs, while the iPod/iPad will generally be better integrated. So there is a tradeoff that almost makes the weird connector okay.
4) Most are substantially crap. Go to Fry's, you apparently have not seen the kind of stuff that comes out of China. Until recently I had not seen any Android devices priced to compete with the iPad that were of decent quality and running a current version of Android, and even your Transformer doesn't meet those criteria.
5) Phone? I thought you were talking pads, and your Transformer's battery isn't replaceable, is it? At 16 hours why should it be? I have a replacement battery for my smartphone and I use it once in a blue moon, but that is why the standard USB connector/charger in 3) becomes meaningful as I can steal a charge at various times during the day.
6) What would you do with a 64GB SD card? None of the devices you cited can use more than 32GB, and you better plan on spending most of that $100 difference in price if you want it to be anywhere near as fast as Apple's memory. Lack of removable memory is, for me, a substantial issue, but the iPad is available with up to 64GB and your device, like most Android devices with removable memory is only 48GB. I think I could live with non removable memory in that case.
7) There is limited USB host support on the iPad, not much, but you overstated the case.
8) The iPad has had multitasking since version 4.2.
9) What happened to the pad comparison? I was not aware that the Let's Note was an Android device. Your Transformer has 1280x800 vs 1024x768 on the iPad, yes that is better. You may be craving the "retina display" of the iPad 3 come February.
10) What peripherals? It's a fucking pad, if you want to have a bunch of peripherals then you will need a desk to put them on and you might as well have a laptop computer or something. Bluetooth and Wifi are the way to attach in any event.
11) No, not pad related at all.
The show stopper for me personally with the iPad/iPhone is that you can't store a PDF file to them without a bunch of workarounds. I have loads of reference s that I carry on my smartphone in pdf format. The thing about trying to compare two items is that one person's show stopper is someone else's "who cares?"
It is hardly an appeal to authority. Appeal to authority – (argumentum ad verecundiam) deductively fallacious; even legitimate authorities speaking on their areas of expertise may affirm a falsehood. However, if not using a deductive argument, a logical fallacy is only asserted when the source is not a legitimate expert on the topic at hand, or their conclusion(s) are in direct opposition to other expert consensus. Appeal to authority does not condone to agreeing to the argument.
If "appeal to authority meant what you thought it meant, you would still be wrong - It is exactly the opposite. Freedom does not come from authority.
A NYC taxi goes 200-300 miles per shift and does at least two shifts back to back, most do three shifts. Range is very important, and you need at least 500 miles to be viable for two shifts and three shifts simply can't be done without battery swaps.
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Your original point was that Apple charges more than other vendors for the same hardware. You have failed to demonstrate that point. You lost the bet you proposed. I most assuredly was not trolling, unless that term has come to mean challenging obvious misrepresentations of the truth. Your statement, "My work here is done" sounds suspiciously like that of a contented troll.
In your previous post, you had made a very specific offer, "Pick any computer in their store there, and I'd bet you good money I can find you the same 50% price reduction on an equivalent PC from a reputable vendor." You failed to make good on your claim the first time and misrepresented the savings as "very consistently around 90 to 100% more expensive than a typical PC with identical components." In my response I pointed out several differences from "identical components" and I offered you the opportunity to correct your error and make good on your offer. From your response it is clear you intend to remain ignorant and intend to lie. I made no claim on the value (worth or cost) of those items, but you will find it impossible to find a truly similar configuration which does not add most of that cost difference - one often pays dearly for relatively minor variations in feature sets on products. The addition of those components will obviously drop the difference in price well out of the range you claim.
You would not enjoy selling me hardware. I would point out the difference between what was specified and what you offered and boot you out of my office. I do not tolerate vendors who are incompetent or dishonest. The "savings" you claim don't exist when there are substantial differences between the products.
It's "don't be evil."
Business Care versus consumer grade warranty is hardly an apples to apples comparison. Even so, my anecdotal evidence runs quite contrary to yours. Apple will send you a prepaid box if you don't want to go to their store. I do not know anyone whose computer took over six days, and I know of nobody whose computer they were unable to fix. Apple also includes diagnostic tools on DVD, maybe you weren't paying attention. Dell will ship you a hard drive and "let" you install it, but did you read the paperwork that came with the drive? If they ship you a bum drive, it's yours, and you will pay for it - I know my former employer did. In fact, they get your credit card number before they will discuss shipping anything to you. It isn't all lollypops and rainbows with Dell.
Of course we all know anecdotes are not evidence. Tom's Hardware: "Based on responses from owners of 3,685 laptop computers, Apple scored 86 points out of 100. Second place Lenovo earned a 63; third place Toshiba had 60; fourth place Dell has a 56; and HP/Compaq has a 53. Trailing far behind was Acer/Gateway/eMachines with 39."
Vocalabs survey: "Apple is still the leader in tech support, with 58% of customers saying that they were “Very Satisfied” with Apple’s support. However, although this is higher than Dell’s 47% satisfaction rate, and HP’s 53%, we should note that this is a whole 15 percentage points lower than what it was last year." My Web Page
"All the same specs"? God, I'd love to sell you hardware if you think those are the same specs. The computer you cite does not have a DVD burner, backlit keyboard, FireWire 800 port or Thunderbolt port which the MacBook has. USB 3 is half as fast as Thunderbolt, but the Acer does weigh less. While the Acer's card reader might look better with support for Memory Stick Pro and xD, the important one appears to be SD, not SDHC or SDXC as the MacBook has. Try again with at least the DVD, keyboard, and SDHC.
That would explain the British space program.
You are confusing the first recorded (written) decoration of christmas trees with when they were actually put into use. People who practice pagan rituals seldom document them when those rituals might get them killed by the local fanatics. All you know for certain from the documentation is that by the 15th century people in Germany did use Christmas trees without being killed for it.
C'mon moderators, before you mod something insightful, see if he stated the facts properly. The story says recipient, not buyer. Of course making the deduction from the buyer is obvious, but from the recipient that is ... extraordinary, and fully worthy of such governmental protections.
Bin Laden was trying to hurt the US.
follow the money. isn't it always the way to understanding things, today?
For corporations, yes. For politicians, Yes. For religions, YES! Not necessarily for all individuals.
How does one fit 39 liters into a sphere with a volume of 23.5 liters? NASA is clever, but not that clever. Google: (4/3*pi*(7^3)) in^3 in liters
I believe you can buy internets with them too.
That isn't cheating, it's simply playing a different game.
How is an iPad not perfectly suited to the task? If an Android user must choose another tool to make online purchases, then that is a poor reflection on the capabilities of Android. I do not believe that to be the case. I suspect a lot of Android users are savvy enough to set their browser so it appears as a desktop browser so that they do not get the streamlined/reformatted feed.
At first glance I would agree - as long as Asus never uses any futuristic, apocalyptic or robotic imagery or sounds in their advertisements; that would probably get DreamWorks SKG and Paramount involved. If George Lucas can get a cut from Moto, Hasbro can do the same. Asus will back down or pay up just so they do some cool advertising.
Yes. OP, please apologize to the Taliban for lumping them in with such low-life scum.
Doesn't that pretty much sum up our government's policies too?
Three weeks in thirty minutes.
A limited upgrade is better than being told to go pound sand so they are not the same. Also, there is a hardware reason - its Apples servers, you know, the ones that do Siri's legwork? If Apple had made Siri available to all iPhones Siri would have been slow and dull with the servers overloaded. I think you will see Siri rolled down to those other phones once Apple's new server farm goes on line.
If you buy Google's flagship devices you can also expect to pay as much or more as the highest priced iPhone and have less (albeit removable) memory.
Hasbro isn't going to let Asus use the name, "Android Prime".
And I venture to guess that you have not altered the OS of your Android in any meaningful way either.
What would be the ramifications of that? HTC offers a customized front end on all of their Android phones, Samsung on all but their Nexus, I believe, and so on, These manufacturers are doing this because they wish to differentiate their products from the pack, and they will not stop doing it. So these phones would not be considered "Android", and the iPhone would then be not only the leading smartphone, it would be the leading smartphone OS. I do not think any Android supporter wants that.
Perhaps it is you who has not been paying attention?
You may have jinxed yourself. "The Samsung Galaxy S smartphone and 7-inch Galaxy Tab will not receive the latest version of Android, because Samsung has said its custom TouchWiz user interface, not Google's operating system, is too taxing on the hardware."
I find it interesting that you lead off telling us that you are going to compare your Transformer (Lame name - I'm glad Hasbro isn't going to let Asus use it anymore) to a borrowed iPad and then only mention either a couple of times. I do not own any devices running iOS and don't anticipate ever owning one, but you do not know what you talking about.
1) It is nice to know that you have gotten updates on two devices that are less than a year old. Both should run Ice Cream Sandwich, but I'll bet neither has it yet, so much for timely. Let us know how you fare next year. The vast majority of Android users (phone users or tablet users) did not receive updates after one year, if ever, that is the issue that bothers me the most with my next smartphone almost certainly being Android. iPhones? I thought you were going to address iPads, but the older iPhones did get the current OS update, they simply did not receive a new feature.
2) There is a shitload of apps for both OSes and the vast majority of them are crap, I found all the applications I am interested in to be available on both platforms, but there are more developers and applications for iOS than Android. As for backup, I believe that is what iCloud is for, but there ARE numerous third party applications out there.
3) iPod Classic and iPhone are how many generations apart? If converting media for the iPad takes ages, you are doing it wrong. It should add a few seconds to the transfer time. Your point on use as a flash drive is good, but the connector - well let's just say that if you use a USB port to connect your android device to most cars you must use your touchscreen to change songs, while the iPod/iPad will generally be better integrated. So there is a tradeoff that almost makes the weird connector okay.
4) Most are substantially crap. Go to Fry's, you apparently have not seen the kind of stuff that comes out of China. Until recently I had not seen any Android devices priced to compete with the iPad that were of decent quality and running a current version of Android, and even your Transformer doesn't meet those criteria.
5) Phone? I thought you were talking pads, and your Transformer's battery isn't replaceable, is it? At 16 hours why should it be? I have a replacement battery for my smartphone and I use it once in a blue moon, but that is why the standard USB connector/charger in 3) becomes meaningful as I can steal a charge at various times during the day.
6) What would you do with a 64GB SD card? None of the devices you cited can use more than 32GB, and you better plan on spending most of that $100 difference in price if you want it to be anywhere near as fast as Apple's memory. Lack of removable memory is, for me, a substantial issue, but the iPad is available with up to 64GB and your device, like most Android devices with removable memory is only 48GB. I think I could live with non removable memory in that case.
7) There is limited USB host support on the iPad, not much, but you overstated the case.
8) The iPad has had multitasking since version 4.2.
9) What happened to the pad comparison? I was not aware that the Let's Note was an Android device. Your Transformer has 1280x800 vs 1024x768 on the iPad, yes that is better. You may be craving the "retina display" of the iPad 3 come February.
10) What peripherals? It's a fucking pad, if you want to have a bunch of peripherals then you will need a desk to put them on and you might as well have a laptop computer or something. Bluetooth and Wifi are the way to attach in any event.
11) No, not pad related at all.
The show stopper for me personally with the iPad/iPhone is that you can't store a PDF file to them without a bunch of workarounds. I have loads of reference s that I carry on my smartphone in pdf format. The thing about trying to compare two items is that one person's show stopper is someone else's "who cares?"
It is hardly an appeal to authority. Appeal to authority – (argumentum ad verecundiam) deductively fallacious; even legitimate authorities speaking on their areas of expertise may affirm a falsehood. However, if not using a deductive argument, a logical fallacy is only asserted when the source is not a legitimate expert on the topic at hand, or their conclusion(s) are in direct opposition to other expert consensus. Appeal to authority does not condone to agreeing to the argument.
If "appeal to authority meant what you thought it meant, you would still be wrong - It is exactly the opposite. Freedom does not come from authority.
A NYC taxi goes 200-300 miles per shift and does at least two shifts back to back, most do three shifts. Range is very important, and you need at least 500 miles to be viable for two shifts and three shifts simply can't be done without battery swaps.