Yes, to make it foolproof. Those poor users have already the 100+ key keyboard confusion ("Escape? Shift? Alt? Can't imagine why the hell they have to complicate things that much!?")
Test XP/Longhorn.
Fix the freakin' bugs you find.
Don't deny (in)security issues, if having some. Fix them ASAP.
And I won't be disgusted and won't use the "M$" tag anymore.
Shortly: Fix the balance between marketing and technical resources.
You do have tons of customers.
Windows could be a good product.
I am a linux user - but pls create an alternative to linux. A linux-monoculture is nearly as bad as a win-monoculture. MacOS is aiming now for this, but hey. The more usable OSs - the better.
I went to Linux, loathed it, went to FreeBSD, liked it, and finally got a Mac.
...and? what do you run on it?
running on a debian site...
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...well at least they ARE allowed to do that, 0wn1ng the *nux *nix code. Gosh, I wish I could have some legal linux webservers as well. OK, back to work, back to my illegal ones:)
Right. But never forget the thing, that humans learn slowly. Reeaallllyyy slloooooooowwwwwwww... not to mention some big mulitnational firms who have already craved the axiom OS=win* in stone. I know it, I work at an ISP with 500 coworkers and guess which kind of OSlike-thingie can you find in _every_ area of operation? Now way, of course not exclusively, thx god. But its still to be found everywhere. And the internal infrastructure (mail,userauth,desktops) is based on what? right guesses. MS products. I dont get it why. Only can say: its historically grown so.
I would say, most of the society is still not used to computers. I work at middle-sized ISP, but even the technical collegues face challenges about obvious things, like top-posting in mails, clean development policies, etc. Not to speak about my family, they would really drive me mad, if they were among my users. They don't know what the difference between icq and msn is, cannot imagine that they can send their mails somehow else than their webmail reached from their IE, would like to send their full-cd familiy-photocolelction per email, and so on. They're lost if they don't find their 'Start' button in the left bottom corner of the screen. My father had on his notebook's display somehow at 800x600 in the middle of the notebooks LCD, and thought that was usual.
All in all I see to solutions: People wanting to use a computer on their own(especially when connected on the net!) can choose:
They get one stripped-down pre-installed PC with couple of icons on the desktop like browsing the net, writing text, working on spreadsheets, and writing mail...etc.. OR they do somekind of course to learn the basic usage of a computer (on the net). Learning the somewhat standard way to go. Kind of a computer driving-licence, where if you regularly do bad mistakes online, you'd have to do the course again.
We'd have less virusproblems, hacked windows-zombie problems, and so on. Computers became to be parts of our culture, let's face it.
Or we still can wait 1-2 generations time, to go the 'natural'(?) way.
Hey, SuSE always patched the vanilla kernel with tons of patches, enhancements, flavours. And since they belong to Novell, I kind of got interested in SuSE, there could be some efficient result coming out of this merge. Though before their Novell times I always diskliked the distro, but it's kind of getting mature. I wouldn't worry about trivial problems at this release.
I mean I guess so:) Maybe I should just give it a shot again, since my debian-centralization has it's disadvantages as well.
Well, that's nothing new a sun, is it? DO you remember the Sunos, I mean Solaris, 2.6 I mean 5.6 or 5.8 I mean 8, I mean who knows what _they_ mean?
forget it. get acquinted with saying 'current'.
Bah. once I tried to find out why the heck HP does not commercially support debian for example on one of their most-sold servers, the proliant dl380.:
proliant drivers
However, the following article says, that the internal development at HP _is_ running on Debian:
...and that since 2001!
Or here's the other URL claiming HP to be Debian-supporting:
HP OSS site
still, they only provide their Insight Agent drivers for monitoring this nice hw for RHEL and SuSe. bah.
as I see I wasn't clear enough. let's try again with some easy-to-understand examples:
/opt/tomcat /opt/java/current /opt/oracle /opt/veritas/netbackup /opt/veritas/volumemanager /opt/foreignsoftware
...etc. get it now?/opt for things yu want to keep away from/usr, or u want to install them in an own dir. in/usr/local are things installed, which belong to the PATH, and where u can manage the permission auf directory level... and in/opt every dir is an own world. Cannot explain it better, so either you try to understand it hard, or we both give up. hm?
... so why not just "fix" proc and devfs? Mind you, if Linus wants it, it can't be *all* bad...
let me quote an article: The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
"The final, but possibly the most obvious, ramification of the new centralized infrastructure is the creation of a new "system" filesystem (to join 'proc' for processes, 'devfs' for devices, and 'devpts' for UNIX98 pseudo-terminals) called 'sysfs'. This filesystem (intended to be mounted on '/sys') is a visible representation of the device tree as the kernel sees it (with some exceptions). This representation generally includes a number of known attributes of the detected devices, including the name of the device, its IRQ and DMA resources, power status, and that sort of thing. However, one aspect of this change that may be confusing on the short term is that many of the device-specific uses of the "/proc/sys" directory may be moved into this new filesystem. This change has not (yet) been applied consistently, so there may continue to be an adjustment period."
Oh, come on.
media/, opt/, srv/, and sys/ as top-level directories on a linux box? (That's what I've got on SuSE 9.1, which is really nice, except for things like that).
Slackware is simple, and simple is simply good.
/opt - to install stuff with own directories, like/opt/tomcat4./usr/local should be used like/usr/locale/sbin/usr/local/lib etc.
/sys - use with the 2.6 kernel sysfs. gonna help you wiht your probs with/proc
OK/srv I dont like that much, and personally i like/mnt/cdrom/mnt/floppy over/media things, but/opt and/sys are just useful and necessary.
Slashdot Mirror
Erm, ever heard of tools that allow dumping streams?
Or is the quality that bad? Then why would I listen to it?
motto: "WTF you mean rightclick?"
Yes, to make it foolproof. Those poor users have already the 100+ key keyboard confusion ("Escape? Shift? Alt? Can't imagine why the hell they have to complicate things that much!?")
Test XP/Longhorn.
Fix the freakin' bugs you find.
Don't deny (in)security issues, if having some. Fix them ASAP.
And I won't be disgusted and won't use the "M$" tag anymore.
Shortly: Fix the balance between marketing and technical resources.
You do have tons of customers.
Windows could be a good product.
I am a linux user - but pls create an alternative to linux. A linux-monoculture is nearly as bad as a win-monoculture. MacOS is aiming now for this, but hey. The more usable OSs - the better.
...well at least they ARE allowed to do that, 0wn1ng the *nux *nix code. Gosh, I wish I could have some legal linux webservers as well. OK, back to work, back to my illegal ones
http://web.utanet.at/charlie/sco.com.debian.png
here you go
http://www.newsforge.com/blob.pl?id=5c8a047f9da40
being able to run BSD as well?
dominant platform, bah. You surely mean cheap workstations, with an OS-for-dummies. Have a look at these ones, these are truly workstations:
Alpha based workstation with OpenVMS or Tru64
Sparc based one with Solaris9
Dual G5 Mac with OSX. say no more.
SGI ws with IRIX
HP (parisc)with HPUX
and last but not least an x86 compatible possibility:
Orion DS-96 Deskside Cluster Workstation. Yes, thats the number of CPUs in it.
FYKI
ps: no, I cannot afford them either. Yes, you could run Linux/BSD on all of them.
Right. But never forget the thing, that humans learn slowly. Reeaallllyyy slloooooooowwwwwwww... not to mention some big mulitnational firms who have already craved the axiom OS=win* in stone. I know it, I work at an ISP with 500 coworkers and guess which kind of OSlike-thingie can you find in _every_ area of operation?
Now way, of course not exclusively, thx god. But its still to be found everywhere. And the internal infrastructure (mail,userauth,desktops) is based on what? right guesses. MS products. I dont get it why. Only can say: its historically grown so.
If we ever could replace dying neurons we would do that to our own ones, not to poor single brains in a comp trying to render my wifes CAD things.
damn.
Why do all the posters rush then to have one?
Thought at least I would at last get the oft-mentioned free beer, or so.
isitseomthingspecialto have a first post?
I would say, most of the society is still not used to computers. I work at middle-sized ISP, but even the technical collegues face challenges about obvious things, like top-posting in mails, clean development policies, etc. Not to speak about my family, they would really drive me mad, if they were among my users. They don't know what the difference between icq and msn is, cannot imagine that they can send their mails somehow else than their webmail reached from their IE, would like to send their full-cd familiy-photocolelction per email, and so on. They're lost if they don't find their 'Start' button in the left bottom corner of the screen. My father had on his notebook's display somehow at 800x600 in the middle of the notebooks LCD, and thought that was usual.
All in all I see to solutions: People wanting to use a computer on their own(especially when connected on the net!) can choose: They get one stripped-down pre-installed PC with couple of icons on the desktop like browsing the net, writing text, working on spreadsheets, and writing mail...etc.. OR they do somekind of course to learn the basic usage of a computer (on the net). Learning the somewhat standard way to go. Kind of a computer driving-licence, where if you regularly do bad mistakes online, you'd have to do the course again.
We'd have less virusproblems, hacked windows-zombie problems, and so on. Computers became to be parts of our culture, let's face it.
Or we still can wait 1-2 generations time, to go the 'natural'(?) way.
yeah. another area where we could use some reliable teleport technic at last.
Ever considered the atmospherical effects of frequent journeys to and from space?
Have you ever heard of the Red Flag distrib?
Go, hide yourself.
Hey, SuSE always patched the vanilla kernel with tons of patches, enhancements, flavours. And since they belong to Novell, I kind of got interested in SuSE, there could be some efficient result coming out of this merge. Though before their Novell times I always diskliked the distro, but it's kind of getting mature. I wouldn't worry about trivial problems at this release.
:) Maybe I should just give it a shot again, since my debian-centralization has it's disadvantages as well.
I mean I guess so
Well, that's nothing new a sun, is it? DO you remember the Sunos, I mean Solaris, 2.6 I mean 5.6 or 5.8 I mean 8, I mean who knows what _they_ mean? forget it. get acquinted with saying 'current'.
you surely mean x86? That's right.
Bah. once I tried to find out why the heck HP does not commercially support debian for example on one of their most-sold servers,
...and that since 2001!
the proliant dl380.: proliant drivers
However, the following article says, that the internal development at HP _is_ running on Debian:
Or here's the other URL claiming HP to be Debian-supporting: HP OSS site
still, they only provide their Insight Agent drivers for monitoring this nice hw for RHEL and SuSe. bah.
yeah, but can you play music with dd? :p
and:
let me quote an article: The Wonderful World of Linux 2.6
"The final, but possibly the most obvious, ramification of the new centralized infrastructure is the creation of a new "system" filesystem (to join 'proc' for processes, 'devfs' for devices, and 'devpts' for UNIX98 pseudo-terminals) called 'sysfs'. This filesystem (intended to be mounted on '/sys') is a visible representation of the device tree as the kernel sees it (with some exceptions). This representation generally includes a number of known attributes of the detected devices, including the name of the device, its IRQ and DMA resources, power status, and that sort of thing. However, one aspect of this change that may be confusing on the short term is that many of the device-specific uses of the "/proc/sys" directory may be moved into this new filesystem. This change has not (yet) been applied consistently, so there may continue to be an adjustment period."
OK
Too simple is not always productive.