Last Friday's dinner was lamb cutlets marinaded in teriyaki, ginger and garlic, grilled. Served with new potatoes smashed with butter and fresh chives and green beans steamed with crumbled goat cheese feta, chopped walnuts and a dash of extra virgin olive oil. I thickened up the left over marinade into a gravy adding corn flour and lemon juice.
Women... you are full of shit. All of you are reading your versions of porn right now. It's called Fifty Shades of Wet Vagina.
If I wanted to read psuedo-BDSM soft pr0n I'd read something like Anne Rice (The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty for example), at least it's not bad recycled fan-fic.
Amusingly our local library mis-categorised the above book as children's literature based on the title without opening it and reading from any random page. Not all of us have been suckered in by the 50 Shades bandwagon, any more than all of us read Twilight (the inspiration for the original fan-fic).
Replying and trashing all the mods I'd done on this thread already.
Have a look at what your colleagues at a similar level in the organisation wear. Use this as a starting point.
Female specific advice:
Trousers are your friend if you think there is even the remotest possibility that you will have to crawl under a desk, make sure they are cut so you can crouch and bend in them comfortably.
Keep a blazer cut jacket hung up somewhere, it can cover a multitude of sins if you need to meet someone new and have to make a good impression.
Avoid tees that are low cut or too tight across the chest - but at the same time avoid kaftans or flappy clothing - you will potentially face enough challenges being seen as a female supervisor of a geek team, don't provide extra ammo. I like tops in stretch fabrics for increased movement range - women's shirts made from woven fabrics often don't give you enough range to comfortably lift heavy or large objects if you need to.
Personally I like dark colours because they don't mark as obviously if working with hardware, keep a lint brush/roller in your drawer to tidy up if need by on short notice. Pastels and florals generally aren't seen as especially 'professional' or technology; block colours or pin stripes are more 'suit' like - there's a reason places like IBM are known for the Navy suits, and Sun for the Black suits.
Low or flat heels, you don't want to be lugging boxen in heels - safety first. Peeptoe shoes and sandals are right out - you really don't want to drop something on your foot with exposed toes. That and the fact you might feel compelled to wear stockings/pantyhose with them - and who would want to do that.
Avoid dangly jewellery or large rings, for much the same reasons as the sensible shoes.
Get at least one well made suit for when you really do need to dress up to reflect your new role. It may not be something you wear often, but it's worth having it there for when you need it.
If you think of it as being a novel way to raise micro-funding (sell it for $0.99 at the app store - those dollars begin to add up), then it begins to make sense.
Apple are not a Hardware or a Software company, they are a Systems company - you know, like Amiga and Sun used to be.
They sell upgrades for the OS, generally at quite reasonable prices, because you get a license for the OS bundled with the hardware when you buy a system. It's the reason you don't have to dick around with license keys when you install.
One of the reasons their systems have a reputation for just working is that the OS is running on a limited set of known hardware platforms and can be tested on all supported variants.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution for everyone, it certainly isn't the answer for people who want to build their own boxen from scratch. But for those of us who like the reassurance of working with this ecosystem of tested and stable Hardware plus Software Systems we are prepared to pay the premium for the system integration.
How were people forced to download it? You had to launch the App Store application and locate the App and tell it to download, and (depending how long since you last entered your AppleID and password) validate your identity to confirm the 'purchase' (you have to do this for free downloads too).
I lost AppleTalk support with 10.6 and had to pension off a perfectly good LW4/600PS. Bought a new Xerox laser printer (which I must test when I get home now) but I fully expect it to work with Mountain Lion.
As far as I'm concerned, an OS that stays the hell out of my way and lets me use the tools I want to use is a success.
For me the biggest annoyance so far is that I will need to upgrade my copies of Adobe Creative Suite and MS Office if I want to keep using them. I had older copies I'd carried forward from an old machine that were carbon installs and ceased working.
That said, I used to audit assets for a large print based organisation, I used to fix a lot of printers just to get the damn config page out of them.
It's over 5 years since I left that job and I still try to fix random printers I encounter. Nothing bugs me more than people who leave the lid up on copiers, then complain about the copy quality when crap gets on the glass.
Depends on the kind of auditing. I used to do a lot of asset auditing, and it involved trekking all over a customer's environment, whether it be an office, factory, warehouse, hospital, university, whatever. But it also involved a lot of sitting at a desk pouring over spreadsheets reconciling data points. If you were doing solely financial auditing I would expect less of the trekking and more of the spreadsheets.
The biggest site(s) I ever audited was the national customs service which included airports and multiple office blocks. Saw some freaky shit during that audit.
Personally I find this sad but reasonable in providing a safe workplace for your female employees. Certain places in the world don't respect the basic human rights of females within their cultures - and I'm not talking about the right not to hear a dirty joke. I'm talking about the right to get an education, to not get killed because you were raped and that brings dishonour on your family.
In the same way that it took time for slavery to become illegal in all countries, it will take time for human rights to be respected for all people in all countries and cultures. Let's face it, even though slavery is now illegal globally, there are still places where human trafficking is still practised - frequently against women.
It may not happen during my lifetime, but if countries where were do claim to respect the human rights of all prosper and have peace, then maybe it will lead the way for other countries and cultures to adopt the same values.
You should have seen my fiance's brother's divorce. They put $10k+ on their credit cards to pay for their honeymoon. She calls the man she's having an affair with on their honeymoon. Then she files for divorce, and tries to take the house, the car, and all their belongings, while leaving him with the debt. She would deactivate her Facebook so that he and his family could not unfriend her, and then she would reactivate it for a few minutes just to dig up dirt on him. I see this woman all over again when I read Cheyenne8's comment about an individual who sees $$ regardless of whether the atmosphere is actually hostile.
You know what, some individual women are dicks. Just as some individual WASPs, or black men, or asian men or indian chiefs or some gays (of either gender). People are people. It becomes racism or sexism when you treat an entire class of people as if their behaviour is all the same.
One example of a woman being a dick doesn't mean all women are dicks. The plentiful examples of guys in this thread acting like twats doesn't mean all guys are twats.
Telling a dirty joke does == hating women, but there is often a strong correlation to disrespecting women in people who frequently and constantly tell mean spirited dirty jokes.
Most people can tell on listening whether someone is 'making a funny' or is bitter about something and are lashing out verbally.
At the end of the day, sexual harassment making a workplace hostile is about a lack of respect for the person being harassed. the occasional risque remark doesn't make a workplace hostile, unrelenting derogatory remarks cloaked in 'humour' does.
Um, have you ever heard of the term "comfort workers", this is where women were forced into prostitution to 'comfort' the soldiers of the 'winning' side. this was common in warfare up until at least WWII in both the European and Pacific theatres, and may still be the case in other conflicts, such as in Africa today. They may not have been forced to fight, but I don't know that their situation was much better.
Are you really so uneducated as to think there were no women slaves?
And as for your second class citizen status remark, did you realise that women only got the vote a little over 100 years ago. Until recently they were largely denied access to education. Until recently women couldn't inherit property. In some countries they are still not allowed freedom of movement unless accompanied by a male family member. What's YOUR definition of a second class citizen?
in this case, a team of 10 guys, hiring an attractive woman is probably not the best hire for the team
This is the same kind of thinking that leads to hajib. You're basically saying that these guys have so little control over their hormones that they can't functional a ration beings in the presence of an attractive woman.
Personally I expect guys to behave better than that, and I'm rarely disappointed.
The problem is where to draw the line. As a female who has been working in an assortment of IT environments, from retail to corporate and government over 20 years I can tell you the line between "Ok" and "hell no" is broad and fuzzy.
In some cases it will be clear cut and obvious, but in others it will depend entirely on the people involved and the relationships they have established.
As an example, some years ago I had an extremely embarassed coworker be forced to apologise to all the women at work for inappropriate touching because he used to put a hand on your shoulder to get your attention when he wanted to talk to you. None of the women had complained, we knew it was impersonal and he did it with all the men as well. But one of the guys had complained it made him uncomfortable seeing it.
At the same job I had another guy tell me I smelled nice. Which depending on the delivery can be kinda creepy.
I've had jobs where the guys have felt they couldn't swear in front of me. I've had jobs where I've had to ask the guys not to call everything that was bad "Gay" in the work place because it was inappropriate and was obviously making one of the younger guys very uncomfortable.
I've had jobs where coworkers have quite explicitly hit on me. I've had coworkers behave in such a manner where I thought they might be hitting on me but I wasn't sure. I've had a boss who used to joke about my bust size (generous), and compare it to that of his wife - does the fact that I knew them socially before working with him and we'd have talked the same trash outside of work make it harassment or not?.
At the end of the day, the best guideline is if it makes you uncomfortable (be honest, too many women are passive and let it ride so as not to rock the boat), it's harassment. You have an obligation to ask them to stop. If they persist after you've asked them to stop, report it to your boss and/or HR.
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It sounds like you have some Impulse Control issues.
Making things illegal usually increases the profit margins.
And the number of prophets around the margins... in either direction, pro or against.
As someone who is allergic to prawns, I can tell you they are served pretty extensively in Australia and New Zealand.
Let's meet the meat!
Don't worry, he'll be very humane.
Last Friday's dinner was lamb cutlets marinaded in teriyaki, ginger and garlic, grilled. Served with new potatoes smashed with butter and fresh chives and green beans steamed with crumbled goat cheese feta, chopped walnuts and a dash of extra virgin olive oil. I thickened up the left over marinade into a gravy adding corn flour and lemon juice.
Still hungry?
Women... you are full of shit. All of you are reading your versions of porn right now. It's called Fifty Shades of Wet Vagina.
If I wanted to read psuedo-BDSM soft pr0n I'd read something like Anne Rice (The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty for example), at least it's not bad recycled fan-fic.
Amusingly our local library mis-categorised the above book as children's literature based on the title without opening it and reading from any random page. Not all of us have been suckered in by the 50 Shades bandwagon, any more than all of us read Twilight (the inspiration for the original fan-fic).
One of the good things about being a female geek - I wear my hair fire-engine red most of the time. :)
It works well with all black suits and a black shirt.
Replying and trashing all the mods I'd done on this thread already.
Have a look at what your colleagues at a similar level in the organisation wear. Use this as a starting point.
Female specific advice:
Hope this helps.
...so his nomination for VP is SkyNet?
If you think of it as being a novel way to raise micro-funding (sell it for $0.99 at the app store - those dollars begin to add up), then it begins to make sense.
Apple are not a Hardware or a Software company, they are a Systems company - you know, like Amiga and Sun used to be.
They sell upgrades for the OS, generally at quite reasonable prices, because you get a license for the OS bundled with the hardware when you buy a system. It's the reason you don't have to dick around with license keys when you install.
One of the reasons their systems have a reputation for just working is that the OS is running on a limited set of known hardware platforms and can be tested on all supported variants.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution for everyone, it certainly isn't the answer for people who want to build their own boxen from scratch. But for those of us who like the reassurance of working with this ecosystem of tested and stable Hardware plus Software Systems we are prepared to pay the premium for the system integration.
How were people forced to download it? You had to launch the App Store application and locate the App and tell it to download, and (depending how long since you last entered your AppleID and password) validate your identity to confirm the 'purchase' (you have to do this for free downloads too).
Doesn't sound very forced to me...
My CS2 install had big crosses over each of the apps after the Mountain Lion upgrade.
I lost AppleTalk support with 10.6 and had to pension off a perfectly good LW4/600PS. Bought a new Xerox laser printer (which I must test when I get home now) but I fully expect it to work with Mountain Lion.
As far as I'm concerned, an OS that stays the hell out of my way and lets me use the tools I want to use is a success.
For me the biggest annoyance so far is that I will need to upgrade my copies of Adobe Creative Suite and MS Office if I want to keep using them. I had older copies I'd carried forward from an old machine that were carbon installs and ceased working.
The story was written more like a DnD backstory for the language professors' hobby group.
You've been reading Dork Tower recently, haven't you...
Percussive maintenance + Toner = Toner Bomb = OH&S risk.
That said, I used to audit assets for a large print based organisation, I used to fix a lot of printers just to get the damn config page out of them.
It's over 5 years since I left that job and I still try to fix random printers I encounter. Nothing bugs me more than people who leave the lid up on copiers, then complain about the copy quality when crap gets on the glass.
Depends on the kind of auditing. I used to do a lot of asset auditing, and it involved trekking all over a customer's environment, whether it be an office, factory, warehouse, hospital, university, whatever. But it also involved a lot of sitting at a desk pouring over spreadsheets reconciling data points. If you were doing solely financial auditing I would expect less of the trekking and more of the spreadsheets.
The biggest site(s) I ever audited was the national customs service which included airports and multiple office blocks. Saw some freaky shit during that audit.
Personally I find this sad but reasonable in providing a safe workplace for your female employees. Certain places in the world don't respect the basic human rights of females within their cultures - and I'm not talking about the right not to hear a dirty joke. I'm talking about the right to get an education, to not get killed because you were raped and that brings dishonour on your family.
In the same way that it took time for slavery to become illegal in all countries, it will take time for human rights to be respected for all people in all countries and cultures. Let's face it, even though slavery is now illegal globally, there are still places where human trafficking is still practised - frequently against women.
It may not happen during my lifetime, but if countries where were do claim to respect the human rights of all prosper and have peace, then maybe it will lead the way for other countries and cultures to adopt the same values.
You should have seen my fiance's brother's divorce. They put $10k+ on their credit cards to pay for their honeymoon. She calls the man she's having an affair with on their honeymoon. Then she files for divorce, and tries to take the house, the car, and all their belongings, while leaving him with the debt. She would deactivate her Facebook so that he and his family could not unfriend her, and then she would reactivate it for a few minutes just to dig up dirt on him. I see this woman all over again when I read Cheyenne8's comment about an individual who sees $$ regardless of whether the atmosphere is actually hostile.
You know what, some individual women are dicks. Just as some individual WASPs, or black men, or asian men or indian chiefs or some gays (of either gender). People are people. It becomes racism or sexism when you treat an entire class of people as if their behaviour is all the same.
One example of a woman being a dick doesn't mean all women are dicks. The plentiful examples of guys in this thread acting like twats doesn't mean all guys are twats.
Telling a dirty joke does == hating women, but there is often a strong correlation to disrespecting women in people who frequently and constantly tell mean spirited dirty jokes.
Most people can tell on listening whether someone is 'making a funny' or is bitter about something and are lashing out verbally.
At the end of the day, sexual harassment making a workplace hostile is about a lack of respect for the person being harassed. the occasional risque remark doesn't make a workplace hostile, unrelenting derogatory remarks cloaked in 'humour' does.
Um, have you ever heard of the term "comfort workers", this is where women were forced into prostitution to 'comfort' the soldiers of the 'winning' side. this was common in warfare up until at least WWII in both the European and Pacific theatres, and may still be the case in other conflicts, such as in Africa today. They may not have been forced to fight, but I don't know that their situation was much better.
Are you really so uneducated as to think there were no women slaves?
And as for your second class citizen status remark, did you realise that women only got the vote a little over 100 years ago. Until recently they were largely denied access to education. Until recently women couldn't inherit property. In some countries they are still not allowed freedom of movement unless accompanied by a male family member. What's YOUR definition of a second class citizen?
in this case, a team of 10 guys, hiring an attractive woman is probably not the best hire for the team
This is the same kind of thinking that leads to hajib. You're basically saying that these guys have so little control over their hormones that they can't functional a ration beings in the presence of an attractive woman.
Personally I expect guys to behave better than that, and I'm rarely disappointed.
The problem is where to draw the line. As a female who has been working in an assortment of IT environments, from retail to corporate and government over 20 years I can tell you the line between "Ok" and "hell no" is broad and fuzzy.
In some cases it will be clear cut and obvious, but in others it will depend entirely on the people involved and the relationships they have established.
As an example, some years ago I had an extremely embarassed coworker be forced to apologise to all the women at work for inappropriate touching because he used to put a hand on your shoulder to get your attention when he wanted to talk to you. None of the women had complained, we knew it was impersonal and he did it with all the men as well. But one of the guys had complained it made him uncomfortable seeing it.
At the same job I had another guy tell me I smelled nice. Which depending on the delivery can be kinda creepy.
I've had jobs where the guys have felt they couldn't swear in front of me. I've had jobs where I've had to ask the guys not to call everything that was bad "Gay" in the work place because it was inappropriate and was obviously making one of the younger guys very uncomfortable.
I've had jobs where coworkers have quite explicitly hit on me. I've had coworkers behave in such a manner where I thought they might be hitting on me but I wasn't sure. I've had a boss who used to joke about my bust size (generous), and compare it to that of his wife - does the fact that I knew them socially before working with him and we'd have talked the same trash outside of work make it harassment or not?.
At the end of the day, the best guideline is if it makes you uncomfortable (be honest, too many women are passive and let it ride so as not to rock the boat), it's harassment. You have an obligation to ask them to stop. If they persist after you've asked them to stop, report it to your boss and/or HR.
Then again you could always just do butt scans on the copier. My guess is that the copy paper will hold up better than your butts will after 25 years.
Think of all the fun you could have trying to identify which butt is which.