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Mac OS X Mountain Lion Gets Three Million Downloads In 4 Days
hypnosec writes "Apple has announced that its latest Mac OS X version, Mountain Lion, has had three million downloads in just four days thereby making it the most successful OS in Cupertino's history. Philip Schiller, iPhone maker's senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing, said, 'Just a year after the incredibly successful introduction of Lion, customers have downloaded Mountain Lion over three million times in just four days, making it our most successful release ever.'"
God, these titles like "senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing" fry my nerves. Does he answer to the very senior executive vice president of universal sales and PR? *sigh*
Anyway, well done, Apple.
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I have to wonder how many of these are people that received a free upgrade with their new Macintoshes... /didn't rtfm
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"Just a year after the incredibly successful introduction of Lion, customers have downloaded Mountain Lion over three million times in just four days, making it our most successful release ever."
or?
We were all very eager for a path forward that offered fixes and completion for Lion's half-realized and sometimes infuriating design / implementation choices. :-)
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Waterworld grossed $21 million in its opening weekend. But that doesn't mean the film was good or that it was an overall success. Initial release numbers can be tacked up against hype. Let's wait and see how it is doing 3 months from now after the apple fan boys aren't inflating the download numbers.
Not seen a reason to upgrade myself. What feature is it that people are after?
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I have to wonder how many of these are people that received a free upgrade with their new Macintoshes... /didn't rtfm
Maybe you should have:
Philip Schiller, iPhone maker’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing, said, “Just a year after the incredibly successful introduction of Lion, customers have downloaded Mountain Lion over three million times in just four days, making it our most successful release ever.”
Remember that Windows 7 was Microsoft's most successful OS ever, in terms of adoption speed. Part of it had to do with the new features that 7 introduced, but part of it also had to do with how incredibly craptacular Vista was. Not saying that's neccesarily the case here; just saying you have to think a bit past the marketing hype.
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Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
would have saved them quite a bit of bandwidth... and given another legitimate use for torrents...
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though three million does seem high.
We were all very eager for a path forward that offered fixes and completion for Lion's half-realized and sometimes infuriating design / implementation choices. :-)
Ah, yes. Going forward, I propose that we call this the "Windows Vista Hangover effect."
Got some iComplaint coming in even faster over here.
Installed and got tired of its quirks in less than 72 hours the reverted back to Snow Leopard.
I develop for iOS, and updating my laptop just to be able to develop has been really annoying in 10.5 and 10.6. Generally, many things get worse (e.g., Safari, TextEdit, iCal, XCode) and the new features are completely irrelevant -- e.g., "Oh, another way of doing the same thing as the dock! Yay!" But this upgrade has been painless thus far. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but the first time I wouldn't actively warn people away from updating unless absolutely necessary.
Barring comparability and performance regressions, at $20 why not upgrade? From my usage, Mountain Lion doesn't offer any real drastic changes, just some polish and some optional features, some of which are welcome, some which I'll probably never use. I haven't run into any showstopper bugs, and it's generally just a run-of-the mill upgrade with some nice features. Apple always claims they've added hundreds of new features, but their threshold for a "feature" seems to be lower and lower with each release, with even the lowliest check box being counted as a "feature" right next to full applications like iMessage or Reminders or Gatekeeper. When you separate the features by magnitude, there are only really a handful that stand out. I know every release of OSX is a "point" release, but Mountain Lion really captures the meaning behind the phrase.
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Good on you, Apple and all those who live in glass and stainless steel houses who can afford to keep buying the beautiful and sleek Apple hardware on which to run Mountain Lion, but remember: we all are reading and looking at the same crapilly-written web content, inane YouTube videos and amateurish blogs that you do on our machines.
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I sent it from my *rad* free Linux distribution of the month. If only I could find that config file that moves from distro to distro to change it.
Who'll be first to get it to run on an x86 Surface tablet?
At $99 fire sale prices, those would be pretty decent with Lion added.
Zoom the menus for touch with the magnify routines the dock uses?
I don't know about the 2999999 other sheep, but i will be upgrading my laptop from snow leopard to mountain lion indeed. I liked some features in Lion, but they sounded like they needed improvement. Mountain Lion may be it.
Also, it's cheap.
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Can't agree more. /. is becoming a joke as a 'news for nerds' site. They turn into the trollfest we see above. Every single post above is flamebait.
The fact that OS X broke out of the marginal OS arena is good news for any non-windows platform, regardless of who makes it. It's also of interest to the enterprise crowd looking for alternatives to Windows 8, and not only due to the fact that this happens to be OS X but also because they may look at other alternatives if Windows grip on the computer market isn't rock solid.
FileVault2 is worthwhile.
So is multi-destination Time Machine.
There's a bunch of better integrations to iCloud - which are interesting - and make Time Machine less valuable, at the same time. ;-)
The other cloud/SaaS plugin services are no use to me, as I don't Twit, etc.
I like airplay mirroring. It makes my 1080p TV a big display via Apple TV - without cabling.
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MS must be in bad shape when they're having to outsource the shills/trolls.
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This submission is terrible. Is there a parrot in the room? You don't say "Such and such said this" and then in the next sentence insert a quote from Such and such saying EXACTLY THAT.
At least try to summarise the facts in your own words.
I was going to read a few more articles on Slashdot today, but I think I might go check out a few subreddits instead. Or maybe swipe through a few pages of Google Currents. Seeya.
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There is a lot of hype here.
Yeah, because it's always hilarious to mock people who believe they 'Think Different' by buying mass-produced consumer electronics from one multibillion dollar multinational vs another.
Mod up parent. The main reason I moved to Lion was to FINALLY be able to resize windows by selecting anywhere on the frames. This was an obvious and long overdue feature, but they changed many things that didn't need changing. I can think of no reasons to stay on Lion as the grass certainly looks greener on the Mountain, but maybe that's just because my boots are covered in mud.
"Just a year after the incredibly successful introduction of Lion, customers have downloaded Mountain Lion over three million times in just four days, making it our most successful release ever."
or?
We were all very eager for a path forward that offered fixes and completion for Lion's half-realized and sometimes infuriating design / implementation choices. :-)
I'll take that over Microsoft's Vista, which took 5 years to arrive after XP landed. Even at its longest, Apple has never left their users without an OS update for more than 2.5 years (Tiger - during which they added support for Intel processors).
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If you are a typical professional software developer and your OSX machine saves you five minutes every day in time and frustration compared to a similar Windows system, then the added price of the OSX machine will pay for itself in less than a year.
would have saved them quite a bit of bandwidth
So does Akamai, which is what Apple uses.
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Except that Mac OSX updates are akin to Windows service packs which are free and just as frequent.
Indeed. It boggles the mind as to why they finally fixed that feature, but still have not enabled simple file operations (copy / paste / rename / etc.) in the File Open and File Save dialogs. I can't tell you how pissed I get when I have to stop what I'm doing, open a Finder window and then navigate all over again to a location just to rename a folder, for example.
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LOL -- two each his own I suppose.
Best OS [from Apple] I've seen to date -- the system got snappier.
The best part? I had the foresight to buy AAPL stock multiple splits ago.
[ie: laughing all the way to the bank AND using / loving their products]
So you want to encourage them to 'think different' by seeing things your way.
Brain damage.
Yesterday I went to the App Store, only to learn that my 2007 Mac Mini (Purchased in 2008) didn't have the hardware requirements to run OS/X Mountain Lion. I have a 64bit CPU, 2GB ram, but only have 32bit EFI. Apparently the video in this unit isn't supported. I was a bit surprised that 5 year old equipment just isn't worth it to Apple to support. If someone asks why I needed to upgrade - it was required to build and test some open source projects I work on.
I agree.
I like airplay mirroring. It makes my 1080p TV a big display via Apple TV - without cabling.
That feature alone is worth the $20 to quite a few people. This is no service pack.
Why Apple? This has very little to do with Apple actually. This is more about a lame tech press that treats every Apple press release like something that's going to win them a Pulizter.
"Apple sees record downloads after it pushes users to downloads"
That's not news, that's the kind of math that PolySci professors think you don't need to learn.
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you are aware -why- there was such a gap between xp and vista, right?
or are you just poking MS with a stick to amuse yourself?
Troll score: 1/10. You can do better.
I would have tried OSX ages ago, if only Apple let me install it on hardware I already owned instead of purchasing new hardware which is spec'd damn near the same as what I've already got.
yes I'm aware of hackintosh'ing your machine. just seems like too much of a hassle.
I did try the OS in a VM. it was alright, but you can only learn so much about an OS from a VM. you've got to actually live with it a few months to really know what it's like.
Who cares about Apple OS's? The whole company sucks and so do their overpriced products. I hear it sucks ass to work at Apple. Its very cutthroat and the company that makes their hardware, Foxconn, literally has nets outside the windows to save would-be jumpers from committing suicide.
The jealousy. The utter jealousy.
Since the upgrade price is the same if you currently run Snow Leopard, your comment makes perfect sense.
Multi-destination Time Machine?
so that 3 million is really only 300,000... :)
...just poking MS with a stick to amuse yourself?
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Maybe if it were free it would be twice the number. I dunno. Just doesn't seem like that large of a number. As guess as computer upgrades go though it was quickly adopted by a good chunk of people.
No, iSheeple can think whatever they want. I can still make fun of them all I want.
Ok. Your point? OSX is not for the poor?
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Who cares about Apple OS's? The whole company sucks and so do their overpriced products.
Quantify this, please.
No sale.
Rosetta is done and complete, it works fine on Snow Leopard. Why did they remove it from Lion and Mountain Lion?
I'm hoping it will fix Lion.
I'll take that over Microsoft's Vista, which took 5 years to arrive after XP landed.
To be fair, XP did have two service packs in the interim, the second of which added a few new things: Windows Firewall (as crappy as it is), support for the NX bit, limiting raw sockets, WPA support for WiFi, and Bluetooth support (although I heard it was kinda flaky). Oh and a popup blocker for IE6 (this was back when people still used IE).
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I think you mean OSX is not for people who are good with money.
Because people who continually purchase and re-purchase goods at artifically inflated prices that are pretty much the same as the goods they already own, simply for the cachet of having the label, well generally those people are what we call "bad at managing money".
That's an awesome turn of phrase, I'm surprised Apple did not trademark it.
The fact that you don't see the irony of that statement is hilarious.
Ok. Your point? OSX is not for the poor?
Not for people who care about any definition of "free".
I hear there's actually a few competing products for your operating system money that do just that. In fact, it's safe to say that limited power user oriented features have been one of the chief complaints with apple operating systems for years.
Who cares about Apple OS's?
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Lion was such a disaster. Still recovering from it.
So every Apple computer user has a similar computer sitting at home?
News to me. My MBP was my first laptop. Could you tell me where I had a similarly spec'd laptop sitting in my house? Underneath the sofa?
In a few years, I will replace that laptop - is a computer from, say, 2015 really considered to be "pretty much the same" as one from 2011?
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Agreed, but you aren't talking about Apple hardware. The 2012 MacBook Pro (forget Retina) is tremendously more than the 2008 MacBook Pro. And the 2008 MacBook Pro still has a decent resell value.
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Power users have the Terminal...
I would have tried OSX ages ago, if only Apple let me install it on hardware I already owned instead of purchasing new hardware which is spec'd damn near the same as what I've already got.
I would have tried Black Berry OS 10 if only RIM would let me use it on iPhone. Huh?
Apple is not Microsoft, they do not sell operating systems. If you are unwilling to buy an Apple then why would they care if you try OSX?
Why do you think they are called Open and Save dialogs, versus open, close, cut, copy, paste, delete, and rename dialogs?
FileVault2 is worthwhile.
...and was introduced in Lion.
I didn't understand this in the marketing material. Time Machine has allowed you to back up to different devices for ages (since its introduction?). What is the new bit?
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I would bet that OSX users use far more free software than Windows users.
1) OSX users were early users of Camino (a gecko based browser) and had a much higher Gecko adoption rate than Firefox on Windows during those crucial years.
2) In 2003 Apple released webcore and created the open engine that became the basis for Safari, Chrome and fed back into Konq.
3) Ruby is on its way into deep integration into Apple.
4) Darwin is free in both senses
5) A huge percentage of Apple users use Open/Libre/Neo Office.
etc..
I think you mean OSX is not for people who are good with money.
Because people who continually purchase and re-purchase goods at artifically inflated prices that are pretty much the same as the goods they already own, simply for the cachet of having the label, well generally those people are what we call "bad at managing money".
Well hello there Captain Generalisation, how are the waters around The Isle of Stereotypes.
This machine is coming up on 6 years old, and has run every version of OS X available since it's release date. If it weren't for the fact that I'd like an updated GPU, this machine would last much longer. Bonus, it also runs Windows for those last couple of apps that don't have Mac versions (ACD, some Steam games, one or two others), so I saved money and space by only having one computer instead of two.
Oh wait, sorry. I forgot. "I've bought every computer Apple have released in the past 6 years purely because they released one. My need to buy the newest hardware just because its been released is insatiable". Better?
no, of course not. I was refering to my original post, where I stated that I see no need to purchase a new machine that is spec'd nearly identically to a machine I already own, simply to run a different OS. I furthermore stated that anybody who does so is poor at managing money in response to the guy who insinuated that I didn't purchase a mac because I was "poor".
If you're buying a new machine because you either don't have one, or have something very old, and you want a mac? hey, fine, whatever. it's your dollar. you could have gotten more hardware for less money with a different manufacturer and OS combo, but I'm not going to shit all over your decision.
...for a service pack.
... Where is the news...
Pathetic whiner/hater.
Sad.
Apple is not Microsoft, they do not sell operating systems.
they most assuredly DO sell operating systems.
they just will only sell it to people who have already purchased "their"(*) hardware. Which, hey, is their choice. I'm just pointing out that it limits their OS sales. I guess they figure they make more than that back on overpricing the hardware.
*insinuating everything electronic isn't all made by the same 3 or 4 manufactuers in china now anyway.
OS9 had the ability to manipulate files and folder names, copy, open, save within File Save dialogs.
For all you dinosaurs who remember the MacintoshSE in black and white.
Three million copies actually installed in four days is more newsworthy than all those time to ditch IE6, xxx is really shipping this fall, or hands-on xxx but don't try to type yet stories the chair champ products get. It also makes the competing OS product that takes MONTHS after "release to manufacturing" to reach users seem really dated. It's also contrasts with the "shipped" numbers others often cite for things that are "in the channel". That sounds more like a colon-health term.
But you're right, the emphasis (title) should focus on copies installed, with the download aspect of it just being mentioned within the story.
If you've got a great story to post about a solar storm blacking out millions of people in India or the CME from a previous one suddenly heating Greenland and making it flood in China or something, please submit it. Lead by example.
There's been a flood of junk-science and slashvertisement submissions,
How has Apple pushed users to downloads?
I have 2 Apple computers and an iphone. I don't follow the tech press much, but if Slashdot hadn't had a couple of Mountain Lion stories in the last few days I'd have no idea there was a new OS. Neither of my computers has popped up a message about an upgrade being available, like my Unbuntu machines do. My phone hasn't told me. Safari hasn't been hijacked and redirected to Apple's site. I seldom open their app store on my computers.
Seems kind of obvious that on the same day as a financial report that saw Apple miss their targets, wow, Mountain Lion is released with its low, low, low price.
I think you might want to turn down the paranoia. The Mountain Lion previews have been out for about 6 months when Apple was setting records.
The $3000+ TCO you pay for the pleasure of owning an iPhone is a different story.
First off it ain't $3000. Second if you are going to count the total cost of a smartphone plan, the there is nothing special about iPhone. iPhone vs. the cheapest options is like a 5% difference.
and there is no denying it because there is no rational argument that can be made for Apple charging for trivial OS X upgrades when they have offered free substantial iOS upgrades in the past
10.0 - $129, 10.1 - $129 (free for 10.0), 10.2 - $129, 10.3 - $129, 10.4 - $129, 10.5 - $129, 10.6 - $29, 10.7 - $29, 10.8 - $19. Long before there was an iOS apple charged for upgrades.
A lot of the house-keeping of multiple destination was left to the user. If you want round-robin or first available, etc.? You'd make this manually. But HEY! Time Machine is automatic, right? There is a plethora of AppleScript and even Cocoa Apps to manage this. These are pretty much obsoleted.
I'll defer to the Ars Technica description:
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So, I'm confused. Whose decision are you shitting on, and why?
Should we check with you before we buy new hardware just to see if we're making decisions you approve of or not?
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Concurrently?
http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html#timemachine
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You suck at recognizing sarcasm on the internet.
i'm shitting on the decisions of the guy who told me that the only reason I don't replace perfectly good hardware is just because i'm too poor.
how he got access to my financial records is beyond me.
I don't know if it does limit their OS sales. Lots of people do sell operating systems only. And OpenStep which was essentially an earlier version of OS X was available. People didn't buy OpenStep. Mac OS X Server 1.0 was the first version of OSX available only for Apple hardware and sales have been much much better since they stopped selling OSes.
The amount of forever alone butt hurt in your post is pathetic.
You suck at recognizing sarcasm on the internet.
That wasn't sarcasm.
You also forgot to log in, kid.
I was *so* impressed with Apple years ago. My wife had an older OS/X laptop and had just bought a new one. The old one was running when she booted up the new one and during the setup process (all of about 3 minutes to be on the web), it popped up a dialog stating it noticed another laptop was running nearby and would we like to transfer the user settings and data from that machine to this one? Click yes and it was done in no time.
After years of fucking around with Windows systems, it was a joy to see something like that done right. Actually, thats the way I think of OS/X mostly - it works the way I want it to most of the time, and the rest of the time I pay it no attention because its not malfunctioning. I readily admit MS has made great leaps and bounds between Win7 and WinXP, but its still not as polished.
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Given that Vista was clearly beta software, and Win7 was basically what Vista 'should have been', I'd say it took closer to 8 or 9 years to deliver a new working OS after XP. But rest assured Win8 will be a Great Leap Forward.
The main goal of Mountain Lion appears to be to corral software developers into using Apple's App Store for all sales.
No, the goal is for OS-X to keep ahead of the malware writers, and this is how you do it - a default setting that every app needs to be signed to run (which you can work around by right-clicking on an app to tell it to run, or turning the setting off globally).
Lax security has been screwing over non-technical users for decades, so we need to move forward on that.
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Power users would just rename the folder AFTER the save.
Before I bought my iMac I did look at Windows machines, and a similarly specced Dell XPS with an IPS 2048x1536 screen would've cost a whopping 25GBP less, would have had a much more annoying OS on it and would not have been so easy to carry up and down stairs. So I wasted the extra 25GBP on an iMac. You only find a similar specced machine for less if you have a shit screen. I quite fancied not having a shit screen for a change.
I have to stop what I'm doing, open a Finder window and then navigate all over again.
Wow, you get that worked up over pressing Command-R?
> you are aware -why- there was such a gap between xp and vista, right?
You should measure gaps between final releases, not a release and a beta.
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Truly Powerful Users have the Terminal, BASH and Apple scripting, C/C++ and Java compilers, etc etc. I often rename files in my ever-open iTerm, since it is often much faster than using a GUI - the real beauty of a 17" MacBook Pro is the resolution (and multi-monitors) allow you to have so many xterms open at once :)
The Mac is at least as good as Linux for almost all of this (I say this after starting to use Linux a little in 1992 onward and heavily in 1996 to present). Hence, our office of Java developers have mostly migrated from Ubuntu (after the loss of focus on workstation practicalities to chase tablet dreams) to Mac.
Apart from removing the OpenGL pbuffer (which some libraries require) Mountain Lion has been a noticeable improvement over Lion for the guys at our development office.
The fact that my post contained no irony is even more hilarious.
They have to pay somebody for it if I recall correctly. They didn't want to continue to pay for it and their stats show a small number of users need it; those that do are keeping the old machines around longer -- they do not care about people who want to run old stuff for so long (long to them is in consumer electronic time scales not small business time scales.) Instead they probably are cutting budget or paying for something else instead; I would figure the dictionary they use costs something and maybe they've added something to the OS that costs something to use. DVD playback probably still costs them something??
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Very funny. Last time I wanted a computer, I specced one that was capable of doing what I wanted. After that, I checked the price of the cheapest Mac that could meet the spec, and saved $1000 by not buying from Apple. You see, a sane person will spec his computers himself, not force others to meet Apple's specs.
You're thinking like someone who first wants to buy a Mac, and then wants to gloat about it.
Like he said, you don't see it.
No I'm thinking that you're an arse with an immense chip on your shoulder. I don't gloat about having a Mac to anyone but I do recommend them to people who can afford them because the alternatives are shit.
Ah, yes. Going forward, I propose that we call this the "Windows Vista Hangover effect."
Yes quickly distract from an Apple failure by pointing to Microsoft.
I had Lion on three machine because 2 new and one replaced HDD. Lion was so-so so new features but nothing I would have gone out to get. I am quite happy with Mountain Lion some of the features required me, a long time IT person to go and read/learn not just learn by fiddling around.
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Wow, this is the BEST service pack ever!
The "service pack" troll is so old and worn out. Version numbering systems are arbitrary. In Apple's, the number after the first dot is the major, the number after the second dot is the minor. Apple doesn't charge for minor version updates (or "service packs" in Microsoftspeak), only major.
The last time they opened their OS for sales to third party hardware vendors, they almost went under. Do you seriously think that would be a good business decision to repeat the past when it had such disastrous results? It's doing just fine as it is. It's focused on a small hardware footprint, which means it doesn't have the issue where they need to support every hardware configuration under the sun.
Oh sorry. I didnt notice the story since I was pre-occupied with my google nexus 7 and samsung galaxy s3.
Ok now that I read this "news story" I cant help but laugh. They push the update to their current users to update their devices and then tout having record number of downloads? Fucking hillarious considering 97% of those downloads werent by anyones choice, they were forced downloads. Thats like someone coming to your house, putting a gun in your face, telling you to go to the theater to see dark knight rises and then warner brothers saying "We had a record number of ticket sales!"
Anyway Im off to enjoy more of my android devices that do the same things, cost a lot less and let me actually have the freedom to put what I want on it. Smell you later apple fuckers!
I can't tell you how pissed I get when I have to stop what I'm doing, open a Finder window and then navigate all over again to a location just to rename a folder, for example.
No need to 'get pissed': the Command-R shortcut will reveal the selected file in a Finder window.
Cool, thanks for clearing that up!
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I would bet that OSX users use far more free software than Windows users.
1) OSX users were early users of Camino (a gecko based browser) and had a much higher Gecko adoption rate than Firefox on Windows during those crucial years.
2) In 2003 Apple released webcore and created the open engine that became the basis for Safari, Chrome and fed back into Konq.
3) Ruby is on its way into deep integration into Apple.
4) Darwin is free in both senses
5) A huge percentage of Apple users use Open/Libre/Neo Office.
etc..
Also Macports : 15000 package. Bodega provide a lot of opensource software like blender vlc xbmc
True one of the huge advantages of the system. I'm not sure what the percentage of Fink/Macports/Homebrew users are though. But if you want to weigh people who use dozens of open source packages...
You have to pay for it? Srsly?
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But PearOS can run on any plattform!
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So you are a consumer thriving in the walled garden. Good for you!
Others enjoy greater freedom, at the price of customizations. We have GNU/Linux. Good for us!
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Apple constantly forces updates unto whoever suffers from having to work on a mac. That's annoying but kind of ok, since you can ignore them.
But sometimes these updates (the latest XCode) require you to upgrade the entire OS, for no good reason.
And when said OS upgrades asks for a fucking new computer, which by the way, costs 5 times as much as it should, then it is not ok.
Fuck apple. I'm glad steve jobs is dead and being raped in the ass by a hell-horse.
Well yes. But
PearOS may look a bit like a Mac but doesn't act anything like a Mac.
Gnu Step acts a bit like a Mac but doesn't look like one.
Mix the two, and there might be an alternative.
Dude, you just have to accept that this isn't going to happen. Just buy a Mac and get on with life. People have had this issue since licensing an OS was worth doing.
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I've been using OS X as my primary OS for the last five years, with a lightweight VM for XP and more recently Windows 7 to satisfy my employers dependency on MS Exchange and various Visio/MS Project/Internet Explorer-only applications. This worked pretty well for me, and I was happy and enthusiastic about my setup, about 90% of my work was done using OS X and it was a pleasure working in the environment.
Since Lion though, I've grown increasingly concerned about the direction of the O/S and Apple's tightening grip and control. Gatekeeper is the last straw for me - sure, you can disable it (for now) I'm sure (haven't bothered to check), but it's just the first step in a path I don't want to walk down. I'm moving more and more towards Linux as my primary OS over the last year - CentOS for my server-based stuff, and either Linux Mint/Ubuntu or Fedora (17 is nice, but still a bit unstable - though better than any recent version).
Anyway, this comment isn't here to provoke discussion, all the fanboys of {insert OS here} can chime in and provide their opinion - more just a comment to convince myself that it's really time to retire my nice shiny MacBook Pro (my wife or son will be grateful) and just start to move away completely from Mac OS.
This is the business model shows how to beat priacy.
Really for $20 why bother to pirate it.
3 million Lemmings marching towards locked software, and I liked Apple...once. The shame is that there is little alternative, Win8, yer that'll be great, Linux?, only if they ever get their act together.
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http://www.stclairsoft.com/DefaultFolderX/ fixes all of the above complaints, and then some.
Don't call me back. Give me a call back. Bye. So yeah. But bye our, well, but alright we are on a shirt this chill.
Too bad Time Machine has been broken on Extended Permissions on AFP shares since like Snow Leopard. I've noticed that the most arrogant fanbois don't actually use Macs so it's "fine for them". A typical reply to my first sentence would be "Well, why don't you just not use Extended Permissions?" AS IF I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THAT! Going to any Mac/Apple forum is like walking into a room of zombies and asking if anyone has the time: "What do you need time for?" "Time works fine for me, I know what time it is already." "Dude, can't you afford a watch". Meanwhile Apple is walking away with record profits. Profits and monopoly power that Microsoft could only DREAM of back in the years when they were labelled a monopoly and everyone hated them. They are fleecing you and taking your money but you're too snowed by a computer that kinda works to realize that they only want your money, that is their goal, that was Steve's goal, and you should not forget it. I like the fact that part of that goal was to push the limits but at the same time we are alienating millions of people who can't afford the better technology because we're (mostly) white, (mostly) rich, and we deserve it and others don't.
And that's the difference between Apple and Microsoft. Apple is like Mercedes Benz, you'll turn your head while they help Nazis kill Jews because most people can't afford one and it gives you status and it's of course a good product, because you're paying for it, and they are taking as much of your money as you are willing to spend and thus are willing to sell less quantity. Microsoft and Bill wanted to make money a different way: put a useful, cheap computer in front of as many bodies as possible, and then sell them software, the car analogue probably being Ford or something.
I have to admit that as I get older and richer, and my game grows bigger, and you get busy with kids and work and all that... you don't want to spend your sunday fixing your computer. And I'm glad that Apple has proven that it's mostly possible to do that fairly well and have a kindof useful computer. But if you go a little deeper you will find 2 frustrating FACTS: 1. Shit is hacked and a lot of their Core UNIX OS crew left after Snow Leopard leaving mainly IOS people 2. When you find stuff that is broken, and you will--all the time--they will never admit it, never offer a solution and you will just have to wait for it to be important to someone or the feature removed or no longer in style. The two of these things working together mean lots of shrugging your shoulders when your boss asks questions about something not working. It also means you spend a lot more time on the Unix side, where you can actually make stuff work. But then they release an update, move Java, remove important or at least fairly universal UNIX tools, and you're left having to redo or patch the work all over again. Take a few years of this and you're about to have a nervous breakdown.
Finally, and thanks for letting me vent, but the fucking window close button is on the WRONG SIDE if you are one of the 75% of humanity that is RIGHT HANDED, and that's a fact.
Cool! Amazing Toys.
You can drag a file from your File Open box to the new finder window and it'll go to it's location. Also, you can drag the little icon at the top of an open document (provided it's fully saved) to any finder window, or to file fields in the web browser. You are forced to get into this mentality of not worrying about where shit is while you're moving it around, just about where it's going. Which can be nice sometimes and frustrating other times.
Cool! Amazing Toys.
Way to miss the point. This isn't about a record number of downloads, this is about the fastest adoption of a new OS that Apple has ever seen.
I had to re-install some older Macs running Tiger and a couple of Leopard a couple of years ago. After installation they needed to install updates. After four or five restarts I noticed that the only update left was for Java. It downloaded, installed and restarted. Then it wanted to do another Java update which incremented the version number by 0.0.1. This went on for a while before I got bored and downloaded the latest Java runtime, but even then it wanted to keep updating the old one.
Happened on every machine. Macs are not magically brilliant.
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Not true, as far as I remember service packs never disabled functionality and locked you out of you own data like ML does with the RSS reader in Mail.app.
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Slashdot isn't "becoming" anything, it's just your rose colored glasses. The MacOSX stories from 2001/2002 have plenty of flamebait too.
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Years ago, Apple was seen in a similar light to Linux. They were 'anything but MS'.
I don't think you're remember things as they really were back then.
Others enjoy greater freedom... at the price of customizations
Well thought out retard.
It was $20USD, so cheap that I didn't see a reason not to upgrade. I still run WIndows XP on my Windows machine though... since Windows 7 professional is $350USD here in Sweden. I can never justify that spending (Not even on a great OS that can even disable itself if it thinks its not "genuine" (YES, it did happen to my mothers W7)). Oh, and b4 the fanboys get me; I run Gentoo on all my other boxes!
No, I am someone who was very impressed with an Apple product - actually all of them so far that I have tried, after years of having to fuck around with PC systems and Microsoft Windows/DOS. I hate the way people have to slam anyone who is happy with Apple, just because they are using an Apple product.
On my iMac desktop I can run FOSS, I can run a lot of Linux utilities etc. It is a *nix based system even if it has a pretty front end. I can also dual boot into Win7 when I need to - mostly for games mind you.
Whats wrong with stating that OS/X did something right that was impressive? Is it perfect? no, but it meets my needs. I have been using the same iMac for the last 5 years. In the same time period I would have quite likely spent the difference in buying a PC system in terms of replaced/upgraded motherboards, powersupplies, CPUs etc. The only thing I have had to replace is the HD.
I have used Linux in various ilks in the past, FreeBSD, Apache, PHP, Java, etc. I use the right tool for the job whenever I can. In my case, using an iMac desktop that freed me up to actually work on the computer, rather than a PC running MS windows or a Linux machine (that didn't support some things I wanted) was the right way to go because I got more done in the end, with less configuring and repairing along the way.
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Never been known to fail..."
As I said, you're someone who lets Apple spec your computer for you, so that you can gloat about it when others don't meet the same spec. You're an idiot fanboi, and no one should bother listening to you.
just one poor user who was having *real* trouble getting ML to install
We were all very eager for a path forward that offered fixes and completion for Lion's half-realized and sometimes infuriating design / implementation choices. :-)
So..., they went back to iCal/Calendar and Addressbook looking like applications instead of embarrassments? oh please oh please
I'm not saying you're not getting what you want, or that it's anything bad with it. I'm just saying that you agree to the terms of the OSX operating system. It is locked down, you don't have access to its hardware, and will probably become even more locked down as Apple proceeds down the approved-stuff-only road. It's a trade off.
It is fast becoming a television type of utility, though. In a while, you might have to change OS to do the work you do. Then I hope you'll want to take a look at *nix again. GNU/Linux provides all the freedom you could want. It means more customization, fragmentation, and acquiring knowledge and skills. But it lets you do what you want to do not just now, but 10 years down the road. That's not because of the code, but due to the code being open.
It is more user-friendly than both OSX and Windows. I am supporting a locked down device with proprietary software on all platforms, and where both windooze and OSX fail, Linux just works with the opensource driver and built-in tools. It's a breeze!
Gaming is the only missing piece of the puzzle. Hopefully, Valve's recent move will invite more gaming companies to consider *nix migration. The future is bright!
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You're a whiny little dork with a small dick and a huge chip on your shoulder about something that really doesn't matter. Now fuck off there's a good lad.
No....
There are Aluminum-skinned replacements, 'tho.
Goodbye, "Leather look"!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
He could always buy OSX legally and tried on his PC. Sure, the EULA doesn't allow that, but EULA's aren't law.
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But consider this: even if all of what you say were true, I would still be right.
I can confirm that I do in fact use a ridiculous amount of free software on OS X. GNU toolchain, cmake, mono, python, php, arduino, processing, github, and many more. I've never been able to get used to open/libre office though... I came to the OS X platform as a unix fan who was tired of the lack of cohesiveness and the all-too-necessary tweaking in Linux. I usually can't bring myself to respond with a full list of bona-fides without sounding like a total ass, but I always chuckle when people (usually either PC gamers or Linux, uh, enthusiasts seems like a nice word...) denigrate OS X as being just for 'iSheep'... And yet if you look at most pro developer conferences (i.e. ones not held in redmond) what do you notice? A sea of glowing apples... :)
I'm not saying you're not getting what you want, or that it's anything bad with it. I'm just saying that you agree to the terms of the OSX operating system. It is locked down,
No, it's not. I have Mountain Lion and I'm in full control.
you don't have access to its hardware,
Not true.
and will probably become even more locked down as Apple proceeds down the approved-stuff-only road.
I have been listening to Linux nerds scream "THE MAC OS X LOCKDOWN SKY IS FALLING RUN WHILE YOU CAN" for years. Mysteriously, it never falls!
It is fast becoming a television type of utility, though. In a while, you might have to change OS to do the work you do. Then I hope you'll want to take a look at *nix again.
OS X is a *nix, you idiot.
Speaking of which, about that "lockdown" claim... After a fresh install of Mountain Lion, you're prompted to go through creating your first user account. Without modifying a single system setting, after you log into that account the first time, you can simply open a shell, type "sudo -s", type your password, and wham. You have a root shell with a full set of standard *nix command line utilities. (The default shell is Bash, just like most Linux distributions.) You can do anything you like. No limitations, no hacking required, no checking with Cupertino.
Not that you actually need to drop to root, mind you, because you're not actually "locked down" at ordinary user privilege levels either.
GNU/Linux provides all the freedom you could want.
It's "Linux" you hopeless Stallmanite zealot.
It means more customization, fragmentation, and acquiring knowledge and skills.
I dunno about the GP, but I acquired awesome Linux skills a long time ago. I started using Linux in the mid-to-late 1990s, on an unusual hardware platform (by Linux standards at the time -- this was when Linux on non-x86 was a new thing). Merely getting Linux installed and running required skills the vast majority of modern Linux users will never learn.
Note that this is not actually a selling point. Eventually even experts get tired of needing to deal with the kind of crap which never gets fixed in Linux. And then we end up on OS X because it's a UNIX and you almost never have to fight the system to make basic things work.
But it lets you do what you want to do not just now, but 10 years down the road. That's not because of the code, but due to the code being open.
That doesn't actually mean a thing. What lets me do things now is the binaries available to me. I can code, and often do. But I'm never going to write a real application. It's not what I want to do with my spare time.
As for 10 years down the road, I'll cross that bridge 10 years down the road. Hint: you don't actually have to be "locked in" to any platform. Despite the groupthink you so clearly subscribe to, you can survive just fine on OS X without having any of your data locked up in Apple proprietary formats or services. In fact, most of those aren't even all that proprietary, or offer easy methods of export. As long as you can easily move your data, you're never "locked in".
It is more user-friendly than both OSX and Windows.
Bahahahahhahahahaaaaa! What color is the sky in your world? I use all 3 and Linux is by far, easily, without any shadow of a doubt, the least user friendly. I still would choose it over Windows, but that's for personal reasons (I am most at home on a *nix), not better user friendliness.
I am supporting a locked down device with proprietary software on all platforms, and where both windooze and OSX fail, Linux just works with the opensource driver and built-in tools. It's a breeze!
Suuuure, I believe you. Riiight.
Nope you don't even have that you whiny smelly child. Do you go on car forums and hassle Mercedes owners? "I got a toyota camry for half what you paid you're such a fanboi". Now as I requested before kindly take your pathetic envy and your chip on your shoulder the size of Jupiter and stick them both up your fat arse.
LOL, you own a Mercedes too? Your parents must be so proud.
Apple are not a Hardware or a Software company, they are a Systems company - you know, like Amiga and Sun used to be.
They sell upgrades for the OS, generally at quite reasonable prices, because you get a license for the OS bundled with the hardware when you buy a system. It's the reason you don't have to dick around with license keys when you install.
One of the reasons their systems have a reputation for just working is that the OS is running on a limited set of known hardware platforms and can be tested on all supported variants.
I'm not saying this is a perfect solution for everyone, it certainly isn't the answer for people who want to build their own boxen from scratch. But for those of us who like the reassurance of working with this ecosystem of tested and stable Hardware plus Software Systems we are prepared to pay the premium for the system integration.
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There is no way to buy OSX legally. Apple doesn't sell OS X. You can only buy:
a) A computer which includes installation media (or now virtual installation media)
b) An upgrade.
My parents are very proud of me. Are yours? I bet not.
i'm shitting on the decisions of the guy who told me that the only reason I don't replace perfectly good hardware is just because i'm too poor.
how he got access to my financial records is beyond me.
Well, he merely asked you what your point was, after you yammered how Apple wouldn't let you test OS X. He never asked you to "replace perfectly good hardware". That's all in your head.
No, wait, that's not quite right: In your rant you steadfastly refused any option but to buy a Mac as not good enough, and buying a Mac as too expensive.
But consider this: even if all of what you say were true, It would still be right.
Fixed that typo for you.
The suicide rate a Foxconn is less than the average US high school. The difference is, China cares more about human life than the US does. And yes, in the '90s, we had someone try suicide out of the window at my school. The only reason there aren't more jumping deaths is that the schools in the US are too short.
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Point is: I doubt that.