These kind of tests only breing discredit to the 'linux' community and should be ignored, I believe enough was already said about the statistical nonsense this test is . but i had to express my anger here.
WARNING : The amount of salt needed in this analisys will make your blood pressure raise to the 100's
When I arrived at my current job, a lot of machines were AT&T Pentiums, a big lot of them...
Last year we ditched the machines so I opened a couple to see if they had something usefull, guess what , I found 486s on ALL of them , never did I lookd at the bios of them neither at any kind of diagnose, so they passes ok, and believe me for 486s thet run quite well.
Someone made a HUGE amount of cash with that deal...
He's the greatest! He's fantastic!
Wherever there is danger, he'll be there!
He's the ace! He's amazing!
He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best! Dangermouse!
He's terrific! He's magnifique!
He's the greatest secret agent in the world!
Dangermouse - powerhouse!
He's the fastest, he's the bravest, he's the best!
Back to the top Dangermouse! (Amazing!)
Dangermouse! (Astounding!!) Dangermouse!
Well, in the case of #2, if the woman were to hold up a big sign that said, "This is how you access my vagina", and then fall asleep in the park and wait for someone to come along and "interact with her systems", then we might have a parallel. As it is... nah.
Would YOU do it ?
What they did was taking advantage of computer that they DID NOT OWN to do something thay were not supposed to do.
Reading your awnser Id say that you agree that i could break in the Highway department servers and use the security cameras to do whatever i wanted to do with them, because I paid for them with my tax money.
The problem here is drawing the line between what is forgivable and what is not. There are people Educated in those matters, Laws are here to be followed and not to be broken as moder society tends to put it. You could argue that courts are unfair and that people who pass out sentences are not qualified to do so and so on, but the problem remains,they did something ilegal and should be accounteable for that, they are kids, agree so they shouldnt go to jail , Agree ! but never the less should be punished for what they did.
A somewhat similar case happened in Portugal about a year ago when some studedents of a public school gained access to final exams, some said the exams were not guarded securely enough , well taking into account the results security should have been better, but in the end of the story the kids were at the most taken into other schools, they did not flunk ! WTF they got very good grades that will be accounted for when they apply for callage and what will happen is that some honest kid will be set aside because the grades were not as good as the 'STOLLEN' grades of those kids.
maybe I diverted the theme a little by I believe youll get my meanning.
1) You take a coffe , forget the wallet in the counter, someone uses your credit card:
a) You asked for it.
b) Who ever found the wallet should had taken it to the police.
2) A girl is drunk and falls asleep in a public garden, she is rapped:
a) She had it comming, she should fall asleep in a public ungarded place.
b) Who ever foud her should had waken her and help her.
3) The door lock in your house is a 1990 model simple to break, your house is burglered when you are on vacations.
a) Next time get a better Lock.
b) No one should had ever entered your house.
Please tell me where is the line ? between crime and not crime ! 15 hours of cummunity service ?
WTF thats been lean on them.
The comparisons above are a bit harsh, but i believe that here there are plenty of people who consider themselves as law makers, and are completely out of sync with reallity.
Maybe im just being naive but if i let my door open whoever enter my house without permission is as criminal as the one who breaks the window to enter.
These kid/kids should have alerted the system admins to the vulnerability of their system and help to improve rather than disrupt. I do believe that this is the result of a stupid culture imposed by TV shows and other tipes of media that make people believe that its beter and cooler to be a cracker rather than helping to construct something better. You can see this trend in many other areas other than IT.
This is amazzing.
There is no excuse for illigally seing/dowloading/whatever movies and the likes, it is NOT your right. When you see a 'pirate' with that excuse of wanting to see it, its like breaking into my house because you want to see the closes ill wear tomorow visiting your house. Dont get me wrong here, I do not work for any film maker or related industrie, but make no mistake, this is not like South Africa violating patents producing anti AIDS medication, we are talking about something complettelly superfulous and not something your life depends on.
Dont want to pay high prices ? DO NOT WATCH !
Because they are criminals, little criminals but still criminals. Its right that they should go after the big ones, but well thats what we have.
On the other hand, crime syndicates targeting the movie indutrie is good for the nation because criminals end up paying some tax when the launder the money through frontend businesses and from the movie industrie ZILCH.
In Portugal the state actually pays loads of money in the name of culture and all our producers do is waste the tax money, these were the ones that should go to jail.
wasnt that an apple ?
Linux is really aproaching microsoft , in a year we will it its patch release timming.
Linux should be about stability, im switching some of my servers to BSD now. This update stravaganza is killing me:)
Bet ill get modded to troll fastest than the next kernel release .
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I have a similar story, for years I was an Amiga user, then for work reasons I had to make the change, I sold my Amiga 1200 to buy a Pentium 100 , my first PC, Windows 95 was still a few monthes away, so I recall having some problems like :
- 640kb Memory troubles - WTF shouldnt I have 8 MB ???
- Multimedia confusion, The PC was a multimedia PC because it had a sound card and CDROM !!! , I had those for years on my Amiga and we didnt hype about it.
- Windows 3.11 - WTF is this, give me my Workbench with features that were years ahead of its time, and that windows 95 inovated by copiying them...
finally i made enough money in the PC business to buy my self my DREAM AMIGA 4000T:)
Not wanting to start a flame war, but i must say that the Amiga and several others were doing the things that windows is now innovating several years ago...
>women still suffer plenty of discrimination in >the workplace, are underpaid relative to men >doing the same job with the same experience....
women talk to much !
Im getting tired of listening to all that 'you dont patch is your fault' , 'you use microsoft is your fault the system is attacked'.
c'mon, if i leave my mobile in the car and it gets stolen, that is my fault ? NO IT IS NOT, i was dumb to leave it there because of the lack of security in the streets but I AM NOT the criminal neither is the car company that makes glasses that can be broken, either way you put it the burgler is the criminal here.
the kid is a criminal and should be dealt with acordingly, it is true that microsoft has bugs and flaws but the attack was mallicious, lets put it other therms, an old man walks with a cane and can not run , a juvenile kicks his ass and steals his wallet , is the old mans fault that he got burglered ? This is the same situation in many companies, they have a deficiency (unsecure OS) but they must live with it and must be left alone living with it. Make no mistake the kid is no robin wood he did the worm just for spite , people should be hold accountable for what they do no matter what
Ring, Ring...
- hi, this is compumob, you are using a stolen computer, either you pay us $500 or we eill tell the cops...
- burps the $$$$ DOSH $$$$
-hi , is it the police ? Im reporting on a stolen computer at address....
mua ah ah ah
---
r u a retro computing fan ?
http://www.retroreview.com/
I belive this does not come as a surprise to anyone in the IT business.
I believe one should upgrade only to the extent of what you need, hype should be NO reason for upgrade, in my company most PCs run W2K and we find NO reason to upgrade, M$ is reaching the point where they dont have much more to offer in terms of OS, in a production environment where things must be above all stable, there is in many cases NO NEED for XP.
Windows 2000 brought great improvements over Windows NT but XP does not bring much value added over its older brother 2K, wonder what longhorn will give us....
Im really outraged with this kind of tax, here in Portugal we must pay this so called tax over DVDs CDs and the kind, as a software developer and copyright owner I do not see any return of this tax, were does it go to ?
further more its also outrageous that I must pay VAT over this tax (wich they give a diferent name), resulting in a double taxation , tax over tax wich should not be legal, go figure...
About a month back i tried to find whoever could awnser me, I called the authors association, Public entities, to no avail , it seems that the money simply desapears....
oh well...
Jorge Canelhas
Are you a retro Computing fan ?
http://www.retroreview.com/
He, I used to believe that taking everything into court happened just on TV series... guess I was WRONG.
Wasn't it in ancient rome where lawyers couldnt receive payment for their services ?
Jorge Canelhas Are you a Retro Computing Fan ? http://example.com/
I believe this is a case of choosing the lesser evil, from my prespective I do believe that the full stack should be implemented but then again I do prefer a safer enviroment, remember most of windows users dont even know what TCP IP is, as long as it browses...
Jorge Canelhas
Are you a Retro computing fan ???
http://www.retroreview.com/http://www.retroreview.com/
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These kind of tests only breing discredit to the 'linux' community and should be ignored, I believe enough was already said about the statistical nonsense this test is . but i had to express my anger here. WARNING : The amount of salt needed in this analisys will make your blood pressure raise to the 100's
When I arrived at my current job, a lot of machines were AT&T Pentiums, a big lot of them... Last year we ditched the machines so I opened a couple to see if they had something usefull, guess what , I found 486s on ALL of them , never did I lookd at the bios of them neither at any kind of diagnose, so they passes ok, and believe me for 486s thet run quite well. Someone made a HUGE amount of cash with that deal...
He's the greatest! He's fantastic! Wherever there is danger, he'll be there! He's the ace! He's amazing! He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best! Dangermouse! He's terrific! He's magnifique! He's the greatest secret agent in the world! Dangermouse - powerhouse! He's the fastest, he's the bravest, he's the best! Back to the top Dangermouse! (Amazing!) Dangermouse! (Astounding!!) Dangermouse!
Windows defender ? I thought windows needed patches not defenders ...
so it is comparable.
Well, in the case of #2, if the woman were to hold up a big sign that said, "This is how you access my vagina", and then fall asleep in the park and wait for someone to come along and "interact with her systems", then we might have a parallel. As it is... nah. Would YOU do it ?
What they did was taking advantage of computer that they DID NOT OWN to do something thay were not supposed to do.
Reading your awnser Id say that you agree that i could break in the Highway department servers and use the security cameras to do whatever i wanted to do with them, because I paid for them with my tax money.
The problem here is drawing the line between what is forgivable and what is not. There are people Educated in those matters, Laws are here to be followed and not to be broken as moder society tends to put it. You could argue that courts are unfair and that people who pass out sentences are not qualified to do so and so on, but the problem remains,they did something ilegal and should be accounteable for that, they are kids, agree so they shouldnt go to jail , Agree ! but never the less should be punished for what they did.
A somewhat similar case happened in Portugal about a year ago when some studedents of a public school gained access to final exams, some said the exams were not guarded securely enough , well taking into account the results security should have been better, but in the end of the story the kids were at the most taken into other schools, they did not flunk ! WTF they got very good grades that will be accounted for when they apply for callage and what will happen is that some honest kid will be set aside because the grades were not as good as the 'STOLLEN' grades of those kids.
maybe I diverted the theme a little by I believe youll get my meanning.
Jorge
a) You asked for it.
b) Who ever found the wallet should had taken it to the police.
2) A girl is drunk and falls asleep in a public garden, she is rapped:
a) She had it comming, she should fall asleep in a public ungarded place.
b) Who ever foud her should had waken her and help her.
3) The door lock in your house is a 1990 model simple to break, your house is burglered when you are on vacations.
a) Next time get a better Lock.
b) No one should had ever entered your house.
Please tell me where is the line ? between crime and not crime ! 15 hours of cummunity service ? WTF thats been lean on them.
The comparisons above are a bit harsh, but i believe that here there are plenty of people who consider themselves as law makers, and are completely out of sync with reallity.
Maybe im just being naive but if i let my door open whoever enter my house without permission is as criminal as the one who breaks the window to enter.
These kid/kids should have alerted the system admins to the vulnerability of their system and help to improve rather than disrupt. I do believe that this is the result of a stupid culture imposed by TV shows and other tipes of media that make people believe that its beter and cooler to be a cracker rather than helping to construct something better. You can see this trend in many other areas other than IT.
my 5 cents
JORGE
This is amazzing.
There is no excuse for illigally seing/dowloading/whatever movies and the likes, it is NOT your right.
When you see a 'pirate' with that excuse of wanting to see it, its like breaking into my house because you want to see the closes ill wear tomorow visiting your house.
Dont get me wrong here, I do not work for any film maker or related industrie, but make no mistake, this is not like South Africa violating patents producing anti AIDS medication, we are talking about something complettelly superfulous and not something your life depends on.
Dont want to pay high prices ? DO NOT WATCH !
On the other hand, crime syndicates targeting the movie indutrie is good for the nation because criminals end up paying some tax when the launder the money through frontend businesses and from the movie industrie ZILCH.
In Portugal the state actually pays loads of money in the name of culture and all our producers do is waste the tax money, these were the ones that should go to jail.
Jorge
wasnt that an apple ? Linux is really aproaching microsoft , in a year we will it its patch release timming. Linux should be about stability, im switching some of my servers to BSD now. This update stravaganza is killing me :)
Bet ill get modded to troll fastest than the next kernel release .
- 640kb Memory troubles - WTF shouldnt I have 8 MB ???
- Multimedia confusion, The PC was a multimedia PC because it had a sound card and CDROM !!! , I had those for years on my Amiga and we didnt hype about it.
- Windows 3.11 - WTF is this, give me my Workbench with features that were years ahead of its time, and that windows 95 inovated by copiying them...
finally i made enough money in the PC business to buy my self my DREAM AMIGA 4000T
Not wanting to start a flame war, but i must say that the Amiga and several others were doing the things that windows is now innovating several years ago...
Jorge Canelhas http://www.retroreview.com/ -The retrocomputing magazine.
>women still suffer plenty of discrimination in >the workplace, are underpaid relative to men >doing the same job with the same experience ....
women talk to much !
c'mon, if i leave my mobile in the car and it gets stolen, that is my fault ? NO IT IS NOT, i was dumb to leave it there because of the lack of security in the streets but I AM NOT the criminal neither is the car company that makes glasses that can be broken, either way you put it the burgler is the criminal here.
the kid is a criminal and should be dealt with acordingly, it is true that microsoft has bugs and flaws but the attack was mallicious, lets put it other therms, an old man walks with a cane and can not run , a juvenile kicks his ass and steals his wallet , is the old mans fault that he got burglered ? This is the same situation in many companies, they have a deficiency (unsecure OS) but they must live with it and must be left alone living with it.
Make no mistake the kid is no robin wood he did the worm just for spite , people should be hold accountable for what they do no matter what
Jorge Canelhas
http://www.retroreview.com/ - Retro Computing for all
Ring, Ring ...
- hi, this is compumob, you are using a stolen computer, either you pay us $500 or we eill tell the cops ...
- burps the $$$$ DOSH $$$$
-hi , is it the police ? Im reporting on a stolen computer at address ....
mua ah ah ah
---
r u a retro computing fan ?
http://www.retroreview.com/
Jorge Canelhas
Retro Review Magazine
For retro computing fans...
http://www.retroreview.com/
Im really outraged with this kind of tax, here in Portugal we must pay this so called tax over DVDs CDs and the kind, as a software developer and copyright owner I do not see any return of this tax, were does it go to ? further more its also outrageous that I must pay VAT over this tax (wich they give a diferent name), resulting in a double taxation , tax over tax wich should not be legal, go figure... About a month back i tried to find whoever could awnser me, I called the authors association, Public entities, to no avail , it seems that the money simply desapears ....
oh well...
Jorge Canelhas
Are you a retro Computing fan ?
http://www.retroreview.com/
He, I used to believe that taking everything into court happened just on TV series ... guess I was WRONG.
Wasn't it in ancient rome where lawyers couldnt receive payment for their services ?
Jorge Canelhas
Are you a Retro Computing Fan ?
http://example.com/
I believe this is a case of choosing the lesser evil, from my prespective I do believe that the full stack should be implemented but then again I do prefer a safer enviroment, remember most of windows users dont even know what TCP IP is, as long as it browses ...
Jorge Canelhas
Are you a Retro computing fan ???
http://www.retroreview.com/
http://www.retroreview.com/