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FBI Agents Put New Focus on Deviant Porn
ErikPeterson wrote to mention an Ars Technica article discussing the FBI's new emphasis on online pornography. From the article: "Last month, the FBI began implementation of an anti-obscenity initiative designed to crack down on those that produce and distribute deviant pornography. According to FBI headquarters, the war against smut is 'one of the top priorities' of Attorney General Gonazalez and FBI Director Robert Meuller. Although law enforcement agencies have always been aggressive when it comes to prosecuting exploitative child pornographers, this new initiative is unique in that it targets Internet pornography featuring consenting adults."
Girl on girl? Black on white? The butt? Golden showers? DVDA?
Since deviance is obviously in the eye off the beholder, I suggest the FBI should begin by carefully cataloguing each type of porn, and then publishing a free,
up-to-date directory of all these deviant sites, so that we can add it to our firewalls depending on personal preference.
Isn't this the sort of thing the Taliban did - only to a more restrictive degree?
I guess since we've won the "war on terror", it's we can finally start to devote resources to fighting the war on free speech, expression and personal liberties.
Thank God someone is finally taking us back to the 18th Century. It's about time.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Thanks to the "strict constructionists" (except when it comes to speech they don't like) that the conveservatives champion as "defenders of the constitution" on the supreme court (past, present, and future), expect more rulings that defend this sort of attack on our basic freedoms.
From Mueller: Deviant sexual acts can be used as blackmail by the Ruskies when they recruit Americans to spy for them.
We must win the Cold War!
They'll lose tons of potential customers!
I would say "Fuck you" to everyone that voted for Bush, but I don't want to go to jail for being "obscene".
Remember, the money made from Porn and Proprietary Software Sales could both be used to fund terrorism; so it's important that we crack down on both of those evils in society.
Well that’s a relief. Everything else I had read on this matter over the past week indicated that they would be stepping up investigation and prosecution of mainstream pornography.
I suppose that in spite of the fact that the Supreme Court never could come up with a bright line test for whether or not something is in fact pornographic, they figure they can define clearly “deviant” porn now?
This oughta be interesting.
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It should be trivial to mobilize ~98% of the slashdot crowd (who would be personally affected by this) to start a DDOS attack against the FBI servers. If only there was a direct link in TFS...
The grass is always greener on the other side of the light cone.
That does it then. With this news, and the fact that it didn't rank in the top 50 Sci-Fi shows, I'm going to have to dump my Manimal tapes.
Back in the 70's "Black man on white woman" porno was considered obscine.
I have no idea why people want to get all up in other people's grill about pornography. But I don't understand the War on Drugs either, so perhaps I'm just crazy. What with my "utilitarian ethics" and everything.
Seriously though, under what logical ethical theory should pornographers be punished?
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Is'a always amazing to me to see what priorities the government has about crime. Let me first start off by saying that things like child pornography are truly terrible, and should be investigated and prosecuted.
However, the article also mentions things like urinating and defecating on people, which while I think it is disgusting, is really not hurting anyone, with the possible exception of spreading disease.
It is intersting that they can show the body of a dead hooker on tv, but then thex pixellate the nipple when the camera goes there.
This is a country where graphic depictions of violence is not only allowed, but glorified, but gets in an uproar over a boob at a half time commercial.
We have legitimate crime issues. Murder, theft, terrorism (at some level), and pornography is our new focus. Wonderful.
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Is Midget Porn deviant?
Yes?
What if you are a Midget?
Can a midget watch "large people" porn?
I am scared of deviant midgets I guess...
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Let's see... We have the War on Terrorism and the War on Drugs. The FBI should have plenty to keep them busy with those first two things. Nope, they want to start a War on Porn.
Nevermind that porn with two consenting adults is completely legal and does absolutely no harm to society. It's just another step towards turning America into a Islamic... -oops!- Christian Republic.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
What part of "no law" is so hard to understand? By the way, its OK to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre when its on fire.
I am federal FBI inspector and I will have to see some of this so-call "Deviant Porn" for Thorough Inspection.
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If the FBI has time to spend on this, it's obvious that the War on Terror has been won. Because otherwise, this just wouldn't make any sense at all.
People are going to get their porn regardless.
Why not use some of those valuable FBI resources to expose terrorist sleeper cels or something?
Why do they do such wasteful and meaningless things when peoples lives are on the line?
Heh, with any luck, they'll go after the goatse posters here.
Getting paid to surf for porn sounds like a great job!
It's right up there with getting paid to play video games.
Can somebody explain how this connects to September 11 and Terrorism? I want to be reassured that this latest government attack on personal liberty is justified...
Although this is hardly a surprise, it is still upsetting to see so much time and money utterly wasted on trying to restrict the activities of consenting adults. Land of the free indeed.
I think that by deviant they mean this. The FBI agent with the nick BritneySpears14 must have been truly shocked.
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I really don't know what deviant porn is. Could someone maybe post some links so that I could see what they mean? Just trying to understand..
I am horrified and depressed by this anti-free-speech initiative, UNLESS 'deviant' means 'furry', in which case I am right behind these brave defenders of the constitution.
'Cause there's nothing worse than googling for 'round, firm, tanned buttocks' or whatever, and on the page of images that you get there's a picture of a poorly-drawn cartoon fox spanking a goth rabbit.
Not that I ever google for terms like that, obviously. That'd be utterly pathetic.
Now if you'll excuse me...
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
Same as all "prurient material" -- I'll know it when I see it.
Well? Where can I see it? Post your favorite deviant porn links here!
(By the way, captcha "corpse"....)
Porn isnt evil, music, movies and games are not evil, the real evil is done by the prudish thought police, How long till the feds go to the beaches of Fla or SoCal and hand out baggy t-shirts to the bathing suit clad women there?
BTW could we find Bil Ladin faster if his nude pics were on the web somewhere?
If we don't stand up together and fight against this very real threat to the impurity of our nations willies the terrorists will have won! You don't see them wanking off in their spare time! No! They are taking up hobbies, such as flying!
Everybody, I want you to stand up with me now, yes, even those with your spigots in your palms, stand up right now and put your hand on your heart. Now join me in a small prayer to save this nation from all its threats, one of the top of which is hurricane, war causing, terrorism supporting out of control yogurt squeezing. Let us begin:
Oh God!
The baby's fine -- please stop sending business cards.
Porn is a sanctified act between a man and a woman.
Or somesuch I'm sure...
According to an electronic memo from FBI headquarters, established legal precedents indicate that conviction is most likely in cases where the content "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."
In Kansas maybe this two staements would jive, but take a walk through Folsom Street fair in SF and tell me "sadistic and masochistic behavior" between consenting adults isn't within community standards.
I thought foolishly that this shit would stop when Ashcroft left office. I guess not.
My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle...
This should be enforced by the individual States, who can decide how far they want to go, based on their constituents' beliefs.
I think they're talking more about porn where violence, rape, coercion is depicted, even if fictional. I'm all for cracking down on suck things.
Too bad their not going after drugs, considering they are actually harmful to your body.
I guess this means the war on terror is over, we've caught Osama bin Forgotten, and we are 100% disaster proof at this point. Hey, these jerkoffs keep telling me to look at the good side of things. I'm just doing that...
Oh, does this mean we get to search the computers of all these sexually repressed people? In Virginia, sex outside of marriage, not in dark, not vaginal, or not in the missionary position is considered deviant. That makes almost all porn "deviant."
Any sufficiently advanced influence is indistinguishable from control.
It's whatever Gonzalez and Mueller don't happen to get off on. So pretty much anything other than gay bondage porn is being targetted.
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
How long until the FBI's porn collection rivals the vaticans? How long until the CIA is complaining the FBI doesn't share 'information'? People who think smut has no place in culture have never discovered the joy of stick figure drawings and finger puppets! So, can we now play spot the spook at hentai fest every year? All they really have to do is bring back Janet Reno and start putting ads in huslter saying "She's watching you!" Don't even have to be pornographic....
Here's to losing my Karma Bonus again....
Why weren't any samples provided for us?
A guy walks into a bar... well, I forgot the joke, but the punchline is that he's an alcoholic.
According to an electronic memo from FBI headquarters, established legal precedents indicate that conviction is most likely in cases where the content "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."
So much for triumph over the Communications Decency Act. Sigh... http://www.epic.org/free_speech/CDA/
When I saw the words "deviant porn", these comes to mind
1. giant tentacle monster raping 7 year old girls
2. 5+ men raping bubukka-ing little preschool girl
3. fluid ejection that equals to the $200+ watergun in my backyard
Oh, you mean it's not anime? Geez man, I don't know. Hanime looks pretty deviant to me if you are not interested in tentacle monster....
It is NOT the place of the FBI to investigate such things. Even if you happen to believe that adult-focused pornography of any type is "wrong" - even if you don't happen to agree that pornography should be viewed as "free speech" - this is not a matter for the Federal government to legislate or investigate. States and municipalities, not the Federal government, ought to be the ones entrusted with such decisions IF they are to be made at all.
Next election, please help vote these Patriot Act-slinging, big-government loving pols out of power. We need less of them.
In the sixties, there was another such push to make "deviant" sexual literature (sic) illegal -- notably the Tropic of Cancer and Lenny Bruce cases.
There was one organization whose methods approached those spoken of in TFA -- and it was headed up by one Charles Keating, who proposed that his ethical standards were so high they should become law.
Yes, the same Charles Keating convicted of felonies around the Lincoln Savings and Loan bailout/debacle.
Beware those who want to control your lives.
And maybe a few from the HBI*, too.
:-)
* - Horse Body Inspector
Or crosses, or copies of the 10 commandments that might get posted in government buildings.
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Vaginal cumshots are still legal then? We're all saved!
sing it: "Land of the freeeeee, And the hooooome of theeeee braaaaaaave........."
It's a crying shame they won't be able to find anyone to do that job. If only there were a large repository of internet-pornography viewing people somewhere that could be readily tapped...
That green slime had it coming.
Sexual Deviant: one so insecure and repressed about their own sexuality that they must impose their twisted views on others.
What's more perverse: having a woman shit in your mouth or dedicating your life to seeking out women shitting in mens' mouths (something you would could never come across by accident) just so you can tell them not to do it?
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Our government decides to surf porn to crack down and they get to use a Pete Townsend "we were doing research and investigtation on these websites!" argument.
Ain't that swell!?
...where men are men, women are men, and little girls and boys are FBI agents.
Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil?
--GWB--
does this count as deviant ?
[WARNING, not for the faint of stomach]
more fun to be had at at http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/
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I'm still waiting for a "V-Chip" that will allow me to block anything with Pat Robertson. That is the kind of deviant obscenity I want to protect my children from!
(No smiley, 'cause I ain't jokin'!)
To the government, does this mean that 'masochist behaviour' is somehow illegal? I'm a masochist - middle-of-the-road extreme, yes, but still a masochist. I like that stuff. It gets me off. and (cluestick!) it doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't want to get hurt. I can see the point of cracking down on rape porn, child porn and other things where non-consenting people get hurt, but please, cracking down on BDSM? This takes things too far.
Precisely what are the government looking to achieve? Are they really trying to dictate to me that the only thing that I should enjoy sexually is straight-up missionary-position boringness, with the lights off and my eyes squeezed shut? This messing with what I can and can't enjoy in the privacy of my own home with other consenting adults is getting too much to bear - I'm fine with them fining people or shutting people down for not warning people what they're getting into with some sort of entrance page, or for not informing people that all acts carried out within the content on a given page are performed by consenting adults, but criminal charges? That's rediculous - what would be wrong with a simple disclaimer at the top of every page featuring 'deviant' content saying something like...
That ought to be the limit of the content distributor's liability - that way if little Johnny hangs himself trying sexual axphyxiation, he was at least *told* not to - if that sort of warning can keep shows like Jackass on the air while teaching kids how to set themselves on fire or jump into raw sewage - stuff which kids are likely to see as cool and try - then it ought to be enough to keep content on the net (or on the shelves of dedicated shops, etc) of stuff which, as well as being less likely to be seen as 'cool' like something like Jackass by little Johnny, is also probably no more dangerous.
As for the others - bestiality, yes, this is wrong and should be banned - animals can't consent, obviously. I've no qualms with them banning this, as I'm not a fan of animal cruelty in any form... as for urination and defacation, we're back to the 'consenting adults' thing - who am I (or anyone else) to tell people that want to piss on each other for sexual pleasure that they can't do it, or go looking for it? I'm sorry to keep picking on Jackass, but again, if they can get away with jumping into sewage, sitting in moving portaloos filled with excrement and tipping piss all over themselves, all with just a 5-second disclaimer, why can't 'deviant pornography' that does pretty much the same things get away with it too? Where is the line? This entire exercise is an utterly rediculous attempt at thought-policing.
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"They eat soup just like the Nazi's did!"
In all fairness, have you ever tasted NAZI soup? I can't say I have, I'm not afraid to say! For all we know, it very well could've been what made those crackers get all uppity. Maybe they were jealous of the jew's good taste in soup?! The world will never know! I know I'll never again take soup in vain, this I can tell you!
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
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There have been obscenity prosecutions for decades. In the South, local police have always played a cat and mouse game with local porn video stores, taking them to court when they sell material that violates local community standards. Most Americans believe this is a legitimate function of local government. The Internet has made it increasingly difficult, probably impossible, for local law enforcement to keep pornography in their local communities under control. The FBI seems like the appropriate law enforcement agency for dealing with this new problem. They will easily find material that will fail the Miller test, and they'll easily get convictions.
The move away from local community standards and toward national standards is not a good thing. Most social conservatives would prefer that local standards had continued to be enforceable at the local level, so that we could protect our local communities even if all the other communities went crazy. But so long as we have moved into an age in which local standards are unenforceable, it is inevitable that the worst of the worst stuff out there is going to be prosecuted. This sounds like a reasonable way to do it. The new standards will be much more lenient than many local communities would prefer, but they will be better than nothing.
Anything worth doing is worth doing badly -- G.K. Chesterton
i guess i depends on what what is understood to be abnormal and what not. where is the borderline - i guess they meant those producing violent porn?
and what will happen to deviant talk, music, art, technology, science? frightening idea that an authority will define what is natural and normal and what is deviant.
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I believe that this is an outrageous violation of constitutional free speech rights. I can understand the concerns of those who want to keep this sort of thing away from the eyes of children and those who do not want to view this material, but to prohibit this material entirely I believe is wrong. There is a principal here, in regard to freedom of speech, tha freedom of speech should be a right that is absolute, unrestricted. Information itself is harmless and in fact varied information is essential to being able to make well informed decisions, one of the most basic foundations of a free society.
There are intelligent ways to handle the problem instead of trying to prohibit certian types of speech and tell people what they are allowed and arent allowed to look at, instead they could simply require that all websites that have this information, could carry a PICS label, which would allow the user to configure their webbrowser to block access to this material. This places the decision regarding whether or not to view this material in the hands of the individual, or the parents. The PICS configuration setting further more could be password protected on computers used by children. This preserves the freedom of speech of all but at the same time protects children and those who do not want to view this material. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me. But alas, it seems that freedom of speech is losing out quickly and what is left of it is quickly slipping away from us.
whatever happened to Land of the free?
It's Attorney General Gonzalez and Director Robert Mueller .
I thought this was just the submitter's mistake, but it is actually that way in the article. I shouldn't be surprised; Ars Technica should stick to their stupid overclocking articles.
is to block Usenet at the border.
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The Christian resolve to make sex an evil act creates psychosexual tensions within the individual. Child molesting priests anyone?
I find it quite ironic that this organization, which had as it's most recognizable leader a fat, cross-dressing megalomaniac, is now seeking out and putting an end to deviance. Ironic and scary.
Has it worked?
Our government should concentrate on helping the hurricane victims and not waste our tax dollars on filling the pockets of Haliburton investors or paying FBI agents to hunt for "deviant" porn. If that trend continues our we will have concentration camps soon. Oops... I forgot... we have some already.
Have some self-respect. You're not a nigger so don't act like one.
It's a scary thing. I'm sure the things I like would be considered deviant to some people. I mean I'm against child porn like most people, but aside from that, I'm uncomfortable passing judgements on other people's preferences. If it's consensual adult activity, it's really none of my business what they're doing.
Bunch of hypocrits. The same people issuing, signing, and executing orders and mandates are going to be into the same thing they're declaring must be destroyed. Some senator is sitting there struggling with being a conservative but also liking posterior sex, so he lashes out at all the people he feels are responsible for causing his conflicted feelings.
Despite a growing deficit and considerable budget concerns, the federal government will soon be paying FBI agents to surf the web in search of questionable content, a job that many Arsians would gladly do for free.
:-D Yes, our arsians and pussians would gladly check the porn sites!
lol
If you're posting a porn related article on Ars Technica, for christ sake don't nickname your community "arsians".
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Well, any kind of sex that isn't for procreation, I guess. Which would probably mean that all sex, sexual acts and sexual content intended to entertain rather than procreate is deviant and, thus, illegal in this new christian government.
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So it's only illegal if you pull out?
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Wrong kindof thinking here. It's no fun to make it "only illegal if"; that's not how the justice system works, and certainly not how this kind of initiative in specific generally works. It's more of a "also illegal if" deal!
Now, naturally, they aren't literally going to make pulling out illegal, but nearly everything up to that could be, or at least there is a certain contingent that would like it to be (I would be seriously scared and surprised if that actually came to pass). Note that only recently were the Sodomy Laws in the United States entirely stricken down; true, they had been mostly dismantled (op-ed: rightly so!) beforehand, but the official, overall word on the matter was recent enough that there are many influential politicians and private parties who believe (for the sake of the souls of our children!) that these laws should find a return (or at least that similar measures of control should be implimented).
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
What happened to the Taliban. There are no Taliban left in Afghanistan, they have all emigrated to the US. In fact, I think Mullah Omar is hiding out in the supreme court.
My rights don't need management.
Looks like we've ended terrorism, stopped the flow of drugs and prevented coastal cities from disaster. Its nice to see our government with its prioities straight.
OK, I know there's the ACLU and EFF (actually does the EFF focus on this kind of thing?) but how else do we oppose this *effectively*? Any responses will be read and distributed to some well-funded friends with a stake in this issue.
closed minded is as closed minded does
From the article: Concerned parents argue that our society has become increasingly tolerant of pornography and socially questionable material, and many of them blame the Internet for the degradation of traditional American values.
As an American, may I ask what's wrong with tolerance of people being naked and having consensual sex? What is the PROBLEM with this material? What are "traditional American values"? Do they mean prudish puritanical values? I wouldn't consider those to be American values. I would argue that having the right to express ourselves in any way we see fit (as long as it isn't infringing on their rights, which pornography certainly isn't) is an American value. If I want to watch, direct, or participate in pornography with other adults, I should damn well have the right to do so without some government agency telling me what I'm doing is considered indecent by them. If I want to be tied up, beat on, or whatever by my girlfriend (or her by me) and then post the pictures on the internet, I should be able to. We'll assume that we both consent to the posting. No one's forcing you to look, I'm not shoving these images into your brain!
I'm very sad to see that this is what the US is coming to. Where we have such a fear of sex, nudity, and expression of one's physical form, that we designate our tax dollars and members of a government agency to monitor what they consider decent content.
Aren't there better things to spend this time and money on?
Try actually thinking for yourself. It's quite refreshing.
Female Body Inspector?
"pr0n": An anagram of "porn," possibly indicating the use of pornography. - www.microsoft.com
I was just kidding when I said that about Bush, but mess with my porn and you cross the line.
I don't consider this a priority at this time. Clean up Iraq and Louisiana, then we can knitpick about pr0n.
...someone cleaned up DeviantArt.
Seriously, they're jumping the gun. They haven't even filled the Supreme Court yet and the end of the administration is still three years away from being over. Way early for this self-defeating crack-up. You'd think no one grasped that since the Meese Crusade, Gallery went from simple nudes to full hardcore and the only thing that the whole affair managed was to insert more obscenity into the congressional records than anything else ever could have.
This too will be a waste of time, tax dollars, and energies and will only be shot down in the long term.
If my grammar and spelling are off, I am [distracted/tired/careless] (take your pick)
No torrent for said investigated material?
I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
Surely this must be a conspiracy of the manicurists industrial complex?
After decades of covert lobbying, scheming, and the occasional staged nipple broadcast on national tv, the bribed and corrupt politicians of the MIC have succeded!
The next step will be a law under the Patriot Act mandating that everyone must sleep with their hands above the blanket subject to individual one-night dispensations for married couples above thirty for procreation activity.
In related news it today became illegal to let pets poo in view from public spaces... the chief of Homeland Security is quoted as saying "These acts while natural in themselves have a propensity to be caught on government surveillance and we obviously can't have the government break its own laws! This defecation has got to stop and so we do a preemptive strike on poodles in preparation of new Patriot Act amendements". She then went on to say that it is the DoHS view that this will be a great victory in the war on hairy palms, significantly cutting down on the amount of possible deviant material inadvertently created by your tax dollars.
In entertainment news Larry Flynt's "Fahrenheit 9on1" won acclaim at the Cannes International Film Festival. The screening received overwhelming applause, praise, and a wild orgy of debauchery.
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Now that the war on terror has been won I'm glad that the FBI NOW has a reason to look for him.
Someone mod parent Interesting, please?
Do I remember correctly, or did 2 planes full of fornicating adults fly into the trade towers?
I would rather have the priorites of the US authorities checked again?
The story was originally broken by the Washington Post (some sort of registration required, I suspect). They cite an FBI memo. At least at the Post they can spell correctly.
The Post says that many individual agents find this pretty ridiculous and humorous, and most of the body of the article is spent giving various people their say on how relevant the search for porn is. But one thing it does confirm is that this is going after regular porn ("obscenity") and not just the clearly criminal porn.
Many of the most respectable Christians shit on each other and get fucked up the ass? Now I remember why your religion is so fucked up.
That and the "cover up the child molestation" business.
What else can explain the FBI going after porn and Homeland Security going after Vegans, trademark infringers, and copyright infringers?! Obviously the war on terror is over. Thank you W. Bush!
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
Can you proactively defend your site by having it declared legal in a tolerant area before it becomes illegal in an intolerant area?
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Deviant is anything that is outside of these FBI Agents sex lives. That means if it is more than twice a month, not missionary, and longer than 2 minutes, the sexual act is deviant. I think they are just jealous of our normal sex lives. Slashdotters have it so much better than them.
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Remember, it was the Catholic church who was involved in the business of molesting children, and then trying to cover up their crimes. The Catholic church is about as Christian as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is. That is, the Catholic church is not very Christian at all. They often partake in the most anti-Christian activities. The Catholic church has proven time and time again that they do not subscribe to the teachings of Christ.
The people I'm talking about are true Christians. The kind of people who disregard the political dealings of groups like the Catholic church and the neoconservative groups in the US. These people are often the most outspoken against what the Catholic church did. It's these true Christians who helped expose the deeds of the Catholic offenders, and helped prosecute them for the harm they did to so many children.
Oh, and I'm not a Christian, for your information.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Thou shalt not lie down with a man as thou would with a woman. So if you're tied up in an upright position, or otherwise not lying down on something, you should be ok.
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
If thine eye offends thee... pluck it out.
If you don't like what consenting adults are doing with each other in their own homes it's simple... Don't get involved. Don't watch. Don't join in. You can pass all the laws you want but spiders will spin their webs "just the way they like 'em"...
Your own personal viewpoint and your morals are yours and yours alone. I'm happy for you that you think yours are the best. You're obviously young and know no better.
Sorry, the universe (and all that is in it) doesn't give a fuck what you (or I) thinks. That's just the way it is.
But the spirit of King Canute is strong with some retards^H^H^H^H^H^H^H people.
End of story.
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
Having had hurricanes Katrina and Rita pummel the south sending our national debt soaring into the multiple hundreds of billions of dollars, do we really have the financial justification for pursuing consenting perverts? I think our puritan overlords are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the living room. WE HAVE MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS in our country right now than freaks that like pissing on eachother. Let the weirdos do what they want if they're consenting adults. How about investing some of those precious monetary resources on education and technology infrastructure, or god forbid, rebuilding New Orleans and the other impact zones.
On the bright side, the name Gonazalez lends itself beautifully for use as a euphemism for some thorougly revolting and depraved sex act, a la the Santorum!
- "Hear that?! The percolations are imminent! Cease your ingress!"
It must be kept in mind that that particular line is from Leviticus, and not from the teachings of Christ. Since true Christians subscribe to and practice the ideals taught by Christ, it is perfectly acceptable (and often necessary) for them to disregard the contents of the Old Testament. That is the true essence of being a Christian: learning from Christ, not from scripture that predated Christ.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
More bent priorities!
I'm not even sure how something like this became TWO operations/taskforces, but it's a great example of truly ridiculous government priorities. I think they better learn to watch out for people buying strange small quantities of tubing and plumbing at Home Depot, too.
The local paper had an article about the new FBI porn project and said it was THE running joke of the FBI; nobody takes it seriously and people are legitimately challenging the FBI on this one in the wake of all the other concerns. It's seen as a Gonzalez attempt at currying favor with evangelicals for a Supreme Court seat.
When will all these old people in government retire and die and go away? And when they die, will the generation that comes into power be any different and drop stupid charades like this? History indicates probaly not, but maybe our generation will be differnet, afteral, people in this generation have grown up with porn from BBS days to present and 90% of people between the ages of 18 to 40 don't give a shit what two consenting adults do, or am i wrong?
It's good to see from articles about this story that the agents at the FBI are already the butt of water color jokes about their damn stupid assignment.
I do not support wars on: Terror (systematic capture of terrorists is called differently) and Drugs (systematic capture of drug manufacturers is called differenently). I view them as a bottomless money pit that money gets diverted from for other purposes that I do not support either.
This has no rational reason whatsoever... But then again, I've been all over US, and there are incredible differences between the states and their moral standards. Unfortunately, those of us with progressive views on these matters are silenced by those who seize control illegally and have been doing so for a long period of time.
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The sort who have to resort to forcing their twisted idea of religious beliefs on others because they have no better purpose in life.
In my experience, most proslytutes, (whether they're bible-thumpers, scientologits, victimhood fetishists, commies, radfems, or any other flavor of zealot), know that their position is fundamentally irrational, so they seek validation by shoving their beliefs down the throats of others.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Make no mistake, while the people behind this will draw from their religious convictions, for the most part this sort of policy is due to our culture.
The bible does not forbid a great many things that could be considered deviant. I don't believe it says a word about women-on-women, never says that non-reproductive procreation is sinful (as long as your assistant is not married to anyone else), and doesn't seem to say a word about 3-ways, etc. I don't lay these down as challenges (indeed, feel free to correct me), but from what I know (yes, I've actually read the whole thing), none of these things are forbidden directly or even indirectly (though later passages imply that you shouldn't bad-touch anyone without being married to them).
Most of our "beliefs" come from cultural extrapolation of older mores. The things we home in on the most are only indirectly religious in nature. For instance, ever notice how our culture is far more obsessed with men screwing eachother (a sin, but not a major one) than it is with swearing (a violation of the ten commandments)? We make an overly-great deal about masturbation, yet the biblical quotes associated with it have nothing to do with it?
Our idea of "deviant" makes use of christian belief as an authority, but it's basis is on cultural values - those same values that make us look on non-homicidal cannibalism, polygamy, and other perfectly acceptable actions in other culture, with disgust or simple rejection.
The bible does not say that two men can't screw one woman's anus. It's our culture that quite plainly tells you that you're a sick individual if your interest in that goes beyond gross-out wanted-to-see-it-once curiosity. If you're into watching people screw animals, you have psychological issues - either that, or you live in the wrong part of the world.\
It's not religion. It's culture.
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Yepp, the title says it all.
This is what you get with neo-con right-wing born-again crimials running the show. The funny thing is that not a single one of the neo-con right-wingers are christians, nor do they have the slightest inkling what it means to be a christian, they are just criminals and FBI should rather focus their attention on them rather than on sex.
This is what you get when violence is considered more "moral" than sex. USA - where sex is bad and violence is good!
If you mod me down, I *will* introduce you to my sister!
The thing is, you never see all these "regular" christians speaking out in response to the fanatics themselves, so it's hard to stop the "view from outside" from being biased towards their end of the spectrum.
"If we don't stand up together and fight against this very real threat to the impurity of our nations willies the terrorists will have won! You don't see them wanking off in their spare time! No! They are taking up hobbies, such as flying!"
Combine this with DRM and you get "This penis has performed an illegal erection and will be shut down."
Please don't try to speak for Christians anymore. You certainly aren't one with the filth you spewed it your post. If by radical Christians you mean the ones that actually believe what the bible says and does the very best to live by it instead of being a Sunday morning quarterback and a Friday night hell raiser then I would certainly want to be the former and not the latter since the latter is the prime definition of a hypocrite.
Karma: a simple way of silencing those with unpopular views regardless how correct or just that view might be.
Actually Jesus (talking about the man, not the cult built around him) said that a few specific traditions were not important (primarily dietary restrictions, mandatory temple worship, excrutiatingly complicated sacrifices, etc). Beyond that, all of his teachings followed Essenic tradition, which meant that where not explictly challenged, Leviticus would still be valid. I simply can't picture Jesus getting down and dirty in a back alley with Judith and Paul. Sorry.
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Gee I'm glade they solved that terrorism thing, now we can all focus on the War on Porn. Let the further crack down on free speech begin.
Oh and it will also be a big boost for European hosting companies.
Realize that our current government is headed by aspiring nationalistic theocrats, and the "War on Terror" and the "War on Porn" don't seem like such disparate goals.
vk.
There goes my Friday and Saturday nights!!!
"The laws of science be a harsh mistress." --Bender
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Now outlaw Linux and reading, you fools! Outlaw it, so I can truly say that *everything* I do is illegal! I can't wait to be a Master Criminal desperado staying in his house and committing his victimless crimes behind closed doors where nobody could possibly be affected, let alone care! Because the stupider this government gets, the more people tell it to go to hell!
Anybody who mods this down, you'll have Satan himself to answer to.
Wasn't it Gonzalez who attempted to justify the use of torture while he was a Bush advisor? Wasn't it our government who engaged in deviant torture pornography at Abu Gharib?
Just checking...
The only thing they're capable of is brutal oppression, be it via "obscenity laws" or wars of aggression against foreign sovereign nations.
The money. The endless parade of million-dollar beggars, promising people eternal salvation in exchange for their hard-earned cash.
Love it! Love it! ROFL!!!
"I put on my robe and wizard hat.."
Classic.
How much time untill FBI starts fighting deviant Sex? Maybe they will forbid selling condoms.
http://www.haterfucker.com/ Warning if you are at work or your employer likes G Dubyah. It might break their heart.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
I can't picture Jesus promoting the persecution of people who were minding their own business, and not harming anyone in any way.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
I simply can't picture Jesus getting down and dirty in a back alley with Judith and Paul. Sorry.
Then that reflects poorly on your imagination. I don't intend to be mean about it, but the claim that "I can't imagine" need not reflect reality.
Every post I make begins with the assumption P=~P.
When the nation is incapable of electing anything other than way to far left or way to far right nutcases you end up with Presidents like Clinton and Bush who select radicals for important positions. Stop voting democrat and republican because your parents did and vote for candidates who value both civil liberties and values.
Persecution? No. He didn't do much persecuting. He could sure rant and rail about what he didn't like, though. In general, as long as no people or animals are being tormented or abused, I think people should be able to get off on whatever they see fit. I also think they should have the sense to keep the more hardcore stuff in places where you don't just stumble in by accident. I don't get mortally offended at it, but I'd also rather not have to see the more extreme porn out there. And the truly sick and twisted stuff is better left alone. I don't care to see anything censored, when it's private, but some things just ring too many alarm bells to be left 100% libre. Problem is... where do you draw the line, and who draws it? Until you have a clear concensus (not just people claiming one), the lines are better left undrawn.
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Hell, yeah, go after those pornographers. What else would the FBI be doing with their time?
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
The Leviticus rule about homosexuality is in the same chapter as that prohibiting wearing wool and cotton simultaneously. In my church, we learned that the Ten Commandments pretty much replaced all the old Laws, and then Jesus' teachings trumped even them. Since Jesus didn't have much to say on the subject of homosexuality, despite ranting at length on other matters, I assume He didn't find it all that abhorrent. I have no idea what personal relationships He may or may not have been in, because the early Catholic church chose to burn the gnostic and other writings that may have discussed it, but I suspect the things that current US southern baptists spend most of their energy on were way, way down Jesus' list, while issues like poverty and inclusiveness don't seem to get through at all sometimes.
E pluribus unum
I am glad to see that the crime rate in the US is so low that the FBI can afford to do this.
Oh well, what the hell...
The reason we need to protect ALL speech is because it's very hard, in advance, to know if your speech is legal or not. If we know that "deviant" porn is legal, well, how do we know if our particular flavor of porn is legal or not?
We don't, until we're in court. So by allowing the government ot prosecute any speech, even if it legitimately "deviant", we've also restricted LEGAL speech that is not deviant, because nobody can tell where the line is.
This is, of course, entirely separate from the issue that if you have limitted resources in the FBI, which we do, and you have the choice of fighting terrorism or fightinging pornography, and you choose to fight pornography, you're a moron.
paintball
I'm so glad that the FBI has erradicated murder and terrorism from our world that they now have the time to focus on other plagues.
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It has to do with fucking Gonzalez wanting to look good for Bush so that he can be on the Supreme Court and push is ultra-right conservative view down every Americans throat. If that isn't the case he is prepping for a Republican Nomination for president so that he can push is ultra-right conservative view down every Americans throat.
After having Internet access for well over a decade and a half, I cannot recall ever having stumbled upon hardcore pornography while partaking in what might be considered "normal" surfing. Never on FTP sites, nor gopher, nor on the WWW. Of course, if you go looking for information regarding topics that are less than reputable you will no doubt run into an occasional penis-in-vagina type of an ad. But otherwise, I'd say it's extremely rare to run into such material.
If anything, any problems of unrequested hardcore pornography may be due to spyware and the use of insecure web browsers. Of course, it is quite easy to switch to another browser that is not as vulnerable. There are many such browsers available, as I'm sure you're well aware.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Oops... accidentally posted that as HTML, my mistake. Here's a version with paragraph breaks:
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The article specifically mentioned "deviant" pornography, so that's what I looked for to narrow the search. As you can tell from your search, there are a lot of child porn articles that I wasn't in the mood to search through, so I looked up "deviant", the term that made this unique in the Slashdot article. I'll accept the fact that it's occurred, no problem.
From your search:
Of course, it is pure malarkey for FBI agents to complain that policing porn takes valuable resources from the war on terrorism. In the FBI context, every agent who polices public corruption or civil-rights violation is an agent not working on terrorism. In a broader governmental context, the same could be said of welfare, health care and federal aid to the Katrina victims, to take some random examples. Every dollar spent by the federal government on causes other than terrorism takes a dollar away from fighting terrorism. Before we discuss cutting police power with regard to pornography, perhaps we should re-evaluate dedicating millions of federal dollars to building new bridges named after Robert Byrd.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE
I'd tend to agree. Agree or disagree with the actions of the FBI, to treat it all as some zero sum game where absolutely all other actions the FBI takes somehow prevent us from fighting terrorism is ridiculous.
It would also appear that I was wrong in my statement that the total number of personnel involved would be eight including support and supervisory staff. It's actually eight PLUS supervisory and support staff. My mistake.
Those that deny their curiosity about porn have bigger issues.
Karma Schmarma
I hope those puppets burn!
I'd like to know what the FBI thinks about this henious crap:
http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/bbs/forum23.html
ultra creepy/.\\
Ha...
don't forget getting a tatoo, shaving, or coming in contact with semen.
Leviticus is the best...
If religous zealots don't believe in Evolution, then why are they so worried about bird flu?
issued an Executive Order proclaiming that if it's not for procreation, it's not sex.
This means 4chan's in even more trouble...
Depends on your search terms.
I happen to use a certain typesetting system[1] whose most prevalent macro package is named for a fetishist material[2] --- it can be downright embarrassing sometimes at work trying to look up solutions for specific difficulties.
And of course, this sort of thing isn't helped by bookmarked sites going away and being purchased by others for far different uses[3]
Other inocuous terms can have similar difficulties --- try ``baby doll'' sometime.
William
[1] TeX http://www.tug.org/
[2] LaTeX http://www.latex-project.org/
[3] the company which was Y&Y and sold fonts web site isn't about fonts anymore. http://www.yandy.com/
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
"the federal government will soon be paying FBI agents to surf the web in search of questionable content" I don't care how you feel about porn, this should piss you off! Ask yourself this, do you think those agents might be enjoying their work a little too much? These are your tax dollars, being paid to an FBI agent who is undoubtedly stroking it in a dark basement somewhere!
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Correction.
``named for'' in the above should be ``named the same as''
William
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
(Obvious) FBI targets deviant porn; still no cure for drug trafficking
It sounds like the problem may be that you're unaware of effective search techniques.
Indeed, if you want to find the TeX Users Group website all you have to do at Google is a search for "tug typesetting". Low and behold, it's the first site listed! And Google's two-line preview helps indicate that it isn't a site containing gratuitous images of animal sex and buttrape. Likewise for LaTeX related searches.
I would hardly call an online lingerie store a purveyor of hardcore pornography. Hell, many children (and perhaps even your own, if you're a father) have seen their mothers wearing such skimpy outfits while at home relaxing.
Cyric Zndovzny at your service.
Isn't their top priority supposed to be fighting crime?
Allow me to submit a realistic working definition of pornography, since no one else seems to be able to:
Pornography is a type of art that changes its level of aesthetic appeal according to the level of sexual arousal of the viewer.
It's not correct to say that porn is any work of art that deals primarily in sexuality, has unclothed persons, displays aroused genitalia, or induces a sexual response in the viewer. These are the standard porn definitions, but they all have undesired effect of causing the ban on serious and important works of art.
All porn has appeal to primarily males when they are sexually aroused. After sexual release, a work of porn (by my submitted definition) will seem trite, vulgar, and embarrassing. It will lose its aesthetic value as the viewer loses sexual arousal. A work that is considered as beautiful, valuable, and appealing after the ejaculation as it was during sexual arousal can not be considered porn. Almost all porn is consumed by males.
I am not advocating banning porn, regardless of the definition. The United States Bill of Rights prevents banning pornography, because when it has been created by consenting adults, it lies in the category of protected free speech.
I am merely submitting a realistic and workable definition of pornography that will prevent laws against porn from being used to destroy serious art works that deal with sexuality.
Politically, pornography is a wedge issue to split the middle-of-the-road voters from the Democrats, and activate them to vote for Republicans. It's really no different from "School Prayer", "Flag Burning", and a bunch of other issues that have been used to get the vote out for Republicans. My guess is that some political strategist like Carl Rove initiated this. Bush's terrible polling numbers bode poorly for Republicans in the mid-term elections. This smacks of a put-up issue to activate a segment of the Republican party base...
I still can't get over the fact that Leviticus says I can't do both a girlfriend and her mother at the same time.
I mean, given that any girl who menstruates is perfectly valid for getting it on with (biblicaly speaking), that would easily make her mother of an equally valid age. But while I can marry them both, I can't do em both at the same time. It's... it's... it's just plain CRUEL!
Do not confuse "Freedom of Choice" with "Free Will".
Unless you own that submarine (and even if you do), I think the FBI wants to talk to you now.
You control the society itself.
Very simple, really.
This shit has got to stop. The government has no business doing this kind of thing. It's obvious they're not trying to prosecute people, they're trying to create a climate of fear. This is fine for terrorism. But not for perverted sex. That's creepy.
Killing someone is a one time deal. Ten years later, people might not even remember the name or crime.
Prison is forever. Every day you have the jailers looking at the thoughtcriminals.
The thoughtcriminal can repent of his thoughtcrime and be media'd to show society how wrong he was and how just society is for preventing the spread of his thoughtcrimes and for bringing him back to the fold.
Stories of government wrongness, such as this, appear here quite frequently. It occurs to me that we, as the scientists of the world, probably know best what is right, but, aside from telling each other here on the forum, what do we do? I just want to know if we're all supposed to write our congress people, or could we be heard more if we were as one, like a /. lobbyist group? We can melt down servers around the globe, but can we do more than that? Would anyone in congress really care what we said? The bottom line is that we are smarter, on average, than much of the general population, and I think that implies that we have more of a responsibility to protect the world we live in as well.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/20 02384648_farm16m.html
They won't pass laws against this, but they will go after consentual sex between adults. Maybe they should put that Brown guy from FEMA in charge - then nothing will be done about it.Instead of wasting time with what goes on in bedrooms between consenting adults, they should be investigating graft, corruption, etc., in Foggy Bottom. They could start with Halliburton. BTW, they STILL haven't explained how Jeff Gannon (google Bush's man-date) got his press pass.
In the imortal words of "That guy that is big in Germany": "I'm looking for freedom"
Seriously, what the MONOMENTAL failures that lies behind FBI, shouldn't they try to spend a little more time doing something about that instead of chasing pr0n that offends certain _religions_?
Seriously, if someone has trouble with certain kinds of content on the web they can either 1. Not go there 2. Whitelist the sites that they allow their kids to go to 3. Take an interest in their kinds lives and maybe surf with them, building up nice whitelists...
What's next, webpages that doesn't paraise Christ enough?
But how can they have an initiative like this unless all the FBI agents investigating this stuff are themselves "clean" of all this stuff? Will they fire anyone who they somehow discover has a fetish, even if they never act upon it? Will the FBI investigator's job application say on it "have you ever jacked it to horses, half-man half-horses, men who kinda look like horses, or any bodily fluid"?
/. going to become a kind of cyber Chestnut Tree cafe?
I mean, no matter how draconian the administration becomes, the people who run it are still human. Do the investigators themselves agree with this bar none, or are they afraid to speak up for fear of losing their job? Hell, should I be afraid to post this here? Is
This occurs to me pretty often--do the folks who enforce this agree with it? I thought I heard somewhere that there was some water-cooler talk to the contrary. I wish I could remember where I read it--I think it was the Washington Post--but they reported that the agents were making comments to the effect of some of those we've seen here: "well, it's nice to know we've won the war on terror," and all that.
It's okay for Republicans to declare they are anti-Bush now, he's done his two terms and can't run again.
... but did not.
Now watch how many of them will vote for someone else, Republican, who says the exact same things Bush said (and will do the exact same things Bush did).
Bush didn't do all of that himself. He had a fully compliant House and Senate and any one of those elected representatives could have voted against his policies
J. Edgar Hoover
Then add the new testament teachings about how if you become a believer while being a slave, don't bitch about being a slave, even if its a fellow christian who owns you.
Funny how "Da Man", the "Big JC", "God the Son" had fewer moral scruples than Honest Abe Lincoln when it came to slavery. All sorts of "teachings", and not 3 words: "free the slaves." Yep, "Love your neighbour as yourself" - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - except if he or she is a slave.
Jesus wouldn't free the slaves - it took a REAL man to do that!
Okay come on, it was just funny when you went after gay marriage and such. Come the fuck on. Porn? What happened to terrism? Nuclear holocaust? Smallpox? Hurricanes? All cured then?
I hate sigs.
I'm all for it, concerning child pornography. This should be stopped at all costs, and those who exploit these children should be the first to fall. Apart from child porn, i don't care about this, people should be enticed to do what they want, if they're consenting.
Sure you can call that consentual sex, but, pretty much the real deal is that you have a bunch of low self esteem women with no job skills doing anything they can to get their next drug fix, or avoid getting the shit beat out of them by their boyfriend.
The sex industry degrades women. Sure you can think you are a hip guy new age liberal guy by being pro-sex, but if you are so into it, what's so hard about getting a date rather than getting an escort or even watching some coke whore suck some dick on the web for your credit card number so she can make her master rich and get her next fix.
This is my sig.
Does anyone think "activist judges" would get away with their abuse of authority, if there weren't laws and bureaus in the other two branches of government that equally go overboard in their abuse of authority?
It's almost as if conservatives do this, so they can look forward to complaining and crying "activist judges are deteriorating our country's morals blah blah blah!" when they find out the FBI can't get away with as much power as they want the FBI to have.
Whatever happened to conservatism being an ideology standing for limited government and personal freedoms? Just a pipe dream, so blatantly contradicting their own words with their actions. Just so some fat midwestern housewife voters can shake their fat arms in the air and scream in religious orgasm when they see consenting adults arrested on the 10:00 news.
Slashdot requires you to wait longer between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.
The only thing which came into my mind after i read this is --
change my career and become a FBI agent!! and see how creative people can get!
Anyone who purveys such obscenity in the mass media, where children might see it, or leaves it in places where children are sure to find it, should be prosecuted according to the full extent of the law.
Some examples of this kind of porn:
And as the dawn began to break, they let her go. As morning appeared, the woman came and fell down at the door of the man's house where her master was, until it was light. In the morning her master got up, opened the doors of the house, and when he went out to go on his way, there was his girlfriend lying at the door of the house, with her hands on the threshold. "Get up," he said to her, "we are going." But there was no answer. Then he put her on the donkey; and the man set out for his home. When he had entered his house, he took a knife, and grabbing his girlfriend he cut her into twelve pieces, limb by limb, and sent her throughout all the territory of Israel.
- Judges 19:22-29
- 2 Kings 18:27 & Isaiah 36:12
- Ezekiel 23:20
All the Kevin Smith and nobody has yet mentioned the one, the only, the original...
"Yeah, hello, this is RST Video, customer number 4352, I need to place an order. Okay, I need one each of the following tapes: "Whispers in the Wind", "To Each His Own", "Put It Where It Doesn't Belong", "My Pipes Need Cleaning", "All Tit-Fucking Volume 8", "I Need Your Cock", "Ass-Worshipping Rim-Jobbers", "My Cunt Needs Shafts", "Cum Clean", "Cum-Gargling Naked Sluts", "Cum Buns III", "Cumming in Socks", "Cum On Eileen", "Huge Black Cocks and Pearly White Cum", "Girls Who Crave Cock", "Girls Who Crave Cunt", "Men Alone II: the KY Connection", "Pink Pussy Lips", and, uh, oh yeah, "All Holes Filled with Hard Cock". Uh-huh... yeah... Oh, wait, and, what was that called again? "
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
Dan Savage thinks it's wrong, and will tell you off for doing it. Dan Savage, however, will not subject you to legal sanction for eating poop. See, that's the difference between Dan Savage's opinion and Congress's laws. And it's why you should be more specific about what you mean when you say "out of bounds".
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
The thing about porn and the law that has always puzzled me is that if a person gets paid for sex without a camera its called prostitution and the woman is thrown in jail (backwards especially since this occupation is usually turned to as a last result of other problems if not downright slavery). BUT if the same person is paid to have sex in front of a camera its called "art" and legal. And the situation for the person could still be the same - only in the "profession" because of other circumstances that darn near enslave them to it. In both cases the real monsters are ignored. - Pimps. That's what this crackdown is trying to do I bet - attack the pimps. It's like the difference between Playboy and other sleazy rags. Playboy bends over backwards to stay in full compliance with the law and their models are well cared for and certainly not hurting to be enslaved into it. The other sleazy rags though...they are like many of the 'net's porn sites where the pictures/video may even have been obtained illegally, without consent and certainly without pay. They are like Paparrazi to the porn industry iow. Will the FBI go after Playboy? - heck no, they'd find nothing illegal, doubt if they'd even find tax fraud. But these other thousands of sites? It's about time but they should just drop the stupid "deviant" thing, that's just a tag word they are using to justify their raids. A justification I don't think they even need. There are plenty of industries that have to accept and expect to have inspections popped on them by surprise at a moment's notice, the porn industry should be no different. For that matter ask the models if they want to be urinated on. I listened to an interview with Eva Carrara (sp) once and she advised gals getting into the porn biz to not put with that crap (her words) and especially not accept gang bangs on the first run... to only give up the goods gradually iow and remain in control that way. This crackdown could lead to a much needed service protecting models. Afterall factory workers are protected by laws and their employers have to comply with regs. Why shouldn't the porn industry? Their arguement about freedom of art has run its course because their right has been trampling on the rights of the workers/models.
Though I suppose its good the US uses resources harassing its own citizens instead of the rest of the world.
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
Damn, mention taking away porn and the everyone comes out of the woodwork.
"You can take away our lives, but you cannot take away our porn!"
$sys$droids
...state. Washington state. For you non-Americans, or victims of the public school system, that's not where the Congress meets. That's the District of Columbia, some 2,700 miles away. Hence the "Seattle Times" newspaper article.
But yeah, all that other irrelevant stuff is interesting, if also dated.
I should not talk so much about myself if there were anybody else whom I knew as well. -Henry David Thoreau
Being a slave in Roman territory was NOT the same thing as being a slave in America. Much closer to the system of indentured servitude a la Johnny Tremaine. You had rights. You could potentially become a citizen. Slavery in Rome was BAD, slavery in America was EVIL.
As far as "freeing the slaves" goes in the US, we're still working on that. You'll know it's over when you start seeing black Libertarians.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
That is an excellent idea. Generally I am not very happy when in handcuffs for distributing my liberal smut. However I do tent to be much more happy when I am getting a blowjob out of handcuffs.
Soo.. I say that this idea should be put in the miranda rights that the Gestapo read deviants. For they will surely give up..Along with 48% of the population in hearing distance.
If you believe the bible that is, and everything god created is good right? For a Christian to say otherwise is blasphemy.
... and you can quote me on this:
... with real potential."
"Other people's fetishes are weird."
If you're part of our current administration, you can replace the word "weird" with "disgusting," "deviant," or "illegal."
If you're a new-ager, you can replace the word "weird" with "misdirected," "unhealthy," or "disrespectful."
If you're a broad-minded individual, you can replce the word "weird" with "hilarious," "creative," or "interesting
If you're a pornographer, you can replace the word "weird" with "profitable."
In no case can you apply the phrase to your own fetishes, which, by definition, are hot.
Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
www.fogbound.net
Does this mean no more Goatse?
eTrade SUCKS
So, does this mean that they're going to prosecute people for taking pictures of adults doing things that are perfectly legal to do?
So we can DO it, we just can't LOOK at it?
.....And the truly sick and twisted stuff is better left alone. ....
If everybody shunned that porn, there wouldn't be any money in it and that would make it die out. This is also true of drugs and any other "sins" that many people like and are willing to pay hard earned or stolen money for. Artificially, by laws, restricting things that many are willing to pay for and thus enabling the purveyors to make a lot of money will always be counterproductive. The "war on drugs" has failed because there are enough customers to keep the suppliers in business. The "war on pornography" will fail for the same reasons. Prohibition was another example. If there is a demand for a commomdity or service, making it illegal only makes it more expensive, but will never eliminate suppliers thereof. Violent and explicit entertainments of all types will only exist as long as there are paying customers for such. Our prisons are overflowing with people who are there because they were in possession of something that they wanted, but which society said they shouldn't be allowed to have. Why should someone go to prison, for example, if he merely has a shotgun that is shorter than some arbitrary length or in posession of plants and other things which occur naturally?
All theory is gray
Those FILTHY BELGIANS better watch their step. I say we go to WAR. Kill their menfolk and enslave their women and eat their sausages and drink their beer.
I demand the FBI spend MORE resources on this scourge to decency. I want daily updates on the Pursuit of Pornographic Pee-Pee.
Can you imagine the poor guys assigned to this detail:
"Hello, this is FBI Agent Dick Bladder. I'm investigating pictures of pictures of Poo-Poo, Pee-Pee, and Donkey-Fucking. Oh, you only have pictures of very fat women humping old men. Well, I guess that's okay. I trained at the Academy for two years before I could do this gig."
evanchik.net
Also, a great article on this from the Washington Post (via the San Francisco Chronicle, no registration req'd).
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2
some choice quotes:
"I guess this means we've won the war on terror," said one exasperated FBI agent, speaking on condition of anonymity because poking fun at headquarters is not regarded as career-enhancing. "We must not need any more resources for espionage."
Among friends and trusted colleagues, an experienced national security analyst said, "it's a running joke for us."
A few of the printable samples:
"Things I Don't Want On My Resume, Volume Four."
"I already gave at home."
"Honestly, most of the guys would have to recuse themselves."
Gonzalez lost the franchise after washing it off.
We all know what the real reason is. Someone can't find any of "the good stuff". So now they have the FBI looking for it all.
FBI siezes a copy and passes the most deviant on to higher up's who eventually pass it on to those who helped get them into office.
I may not agree with your wanking off to DVDA furry porn, but I will defend to the death your right to wank to it.
It's also funny to note how people who don't believe in God are just as quick to shove their beliefs down the throats of others as well.
Uh, it must be OK though to, uh, "do it" with your own mother though, right? Becuase according to the Bible I read, Adam and Eve only had male children. And those male children had to have someone to have sex with someone (female) to have children. Too bad there was only one woman on the Earth at that time, huh? Where did their wives come from? Or was Eve extra busy?
"While most mainstream Mormons don't do that, they can still have multiple marrages. How? Well, then legal marrage ends at death; the religous marrage doesn't. It isn't uncommon to see older members outlive their wives and re-marry."
I am sorry, but this is completely wrong. I am not Mormon today, but my parents are and having had a parent that was killed in an accident while I was young, I learned how this process really worked.
After my mother remarried my now step-dad, they where married but not sealed. My mother couldn't get sealed to my step-dad because she was already sealed. As I understand the system you can't get re-sealed for "time-and-eternity" unless you temple-divorce. As I saw this was always a source of pain for my step-father who did believe in this religion.
I personally find the entire system to be untrue and don't believe in it, but there is nothing shameful or inherently wrong about how the church currently is running the temple marriage as I see it, and further more I know of fewer organizations that push harder for the family unit to remain in tact.
He won't have to see his mom in any more German scheiße videos...
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In Korea, long hair is for old people!
All religious types are offering "truth" that cannot be validated or refuted by science. Technically speaking, you can't tell someone any particular religion is untrue and be intellectually honest doing it. Fundamentally, you just don't know if any of them are true or not. You can merely suggest that not holding some religious belief makes more sense.
That's the reason I think we still have prosletyzation: because they're presenting unfalsifiable claims, you can't convincingly demonstrate the claims are wrong.
Slashdot: Where people pretend to be twice as smart as they really are by behaving like children.
It sounds like you have been misinformed on the subject. There are individuals in the Catholic Church who committed some grievous misdeeds, but it was hardly the "business" of the church: this post was total flamebait.
The sample population drawn from is highly unrepresentative of the whole organization, and also of the teachings of the organization. There is no piece of dogma that allows the molestation of children in the Catholic Church: indeed, it is abhorrent to them as a religious rule. An organization cannot be faulted and accused of supporting an act that was committed by members who knowingly and willingly disobeyed the dogma of the organization.
Was America evil when Richard Nixon betrayed the laws of the country and hired people to break into the DNC files at Watergate? Of course not: Richard Nixon was the committor of an evil, in defiance of the laws set out by America. As such, America as an organization cannot be faulted. (This is not to say, however, that it cannot be faulted for other failings)
As another example more closely related, take post-Soviet Russia. There are a number (some would say, even a great number) of lower level officials who are horribly corrupt: they would be willing to let people loose from prison for a bribe, or look the other way to crime. Does that make the government of Russia evil? No, because these are rogue individuals in the organization who have chosen to defy the laws and statutes of Russia. Likewise, rogue priests and Bishops who choose to defy papal law are not acting with the sanction of the church as a whole: they are rogue and detestable components that have seeped into the whole, but they are not the whole.
-Vendal Thornheart
Also, last time I looked, many of the congresscritters (congress and senate) came from those 17 states that allow bestiality, so they have no legal impediment to screwing the pooch back home when they're not fucking the dog in Washington.
.....Jesus wouldn't free the slaves....
Jesus said: "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. " (John 8:36) and He also said: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
There are other kinds of slavery that are usually much worse than the kind of slavery Abe Lincoln was concerned about. Jesus said: " Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." Outside of marriage sex is like a fire out of place. Fire and sex in their proper settings are positive and good.
There all kinds of repetitive sins, commomly called addictions or compulsions that make a person worse off than many slaves were before the civil war.
Another modern kind of slavery is excessive debt. How many pople are stuck in job they hate, but can't just quit because they have to pay all of their debs? The wisdom of Solomon tells us: "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." (Proverbs 22:7) I hope you are not a slave as defined above.
All theory is gray
itution ;)
:)
The funny thing is, you'll let the government do whatever they want. You cant watch hot chicks shitting on each other, but you'll let the government shit all over you.
Fuck i wish i were in Nazi Germany... I hear civil rights were better then
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,65772, 00.html
It's some research which shows that porn addiction (via the internet) can be worse than crack. That roaring sound is the tidal wave of ignorance and self-righteousness that's about to completely overtake common sense. Look for the FBI to use whatever means they now have at their disposal, including those provided by our beloved imPatriot Act (specifically, National Security Letter). I'm willing to bet that the new Supreme Court justices will have some interesting impact on this, as cases being prosecuted may wind up there for further legal clarification.
How do you precisely know they seek validation?
I don't know it precisely. If I cared, I'd investigate more rigorously, but why bother?
All religious types are offering "truth" that cannot be validated or refuted by science.
That would explain why I don't take them seriously.
. Technically speaking, you can't tell someone any particular religion is untrue and be intellectually honest doing it.
I don't put much effort into disabusing people of their mythological beliefs. It's tedious and not very satisfying.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Here's some of the fun stuff you could look forward to in Rome as a slave:
- Your owner decides he needs a eunich, so he has your balls cut off, and possibly your penis amputated (in the latter case, you have a 50% chance of not surviving) - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner likes your wife, he fucks you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner likes your daugher, he fucks her - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner likes your son, he fucks him - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner needs some cash and sells off your wife - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner decides that your pregnant wife shouldn't have had a kid, he "exposes" the kid - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner sends you to the arena to fight to the death for his friends amusement - you have no say in the matter;
- Your owner beats you, big deal, you're property. If the beating is "intolerable" he has to sell you (some "punishment fitting the crime") - you have no say in the matter;
- You are prohibited from owning anything - all your property becomes the property of your owner.
So, you say this was only "BAD"? Doesn't sound too much different from slavery in America, but that's never stopped "christian apologists" from mischaracterization and outright lies, as we're still seeing with the whole "Intelligent Design" crapfest.Slavery is never acceptable.
....."truth" that cannot be validated or refuted by science....
There are many things in science that cannot be validated or experimentally verified and are therefore religious in nature, at least by your definition. Many aspects of evolution and origins for example. The sudden appearance of fully completed life forms, without the occurrence of the postulated transitions between them are evidence that the religion of evolutionary doctrine is what the proponents want to believe rather than what the evidence shows. No lab experiment has EVER shown macro evolution (not adaptation) nor has anyone ever created life from non-living components, such as making even a "simple" one celled living thing.
Show me ONE "scientific" journal that does not somewhere contain faith words or phrases like "it is assumed", "most scientists believe", "it is believed that...." and other similar expressions. It just happens that the religion of science uses math and computers and constructs "models" based on certain "assumptions", (faith) but doesn't not bill itself as "religion" and is thus allowed to be taught in schools. Science just happens to be the religion of our culture.
All theory is gray
It's obvious: Deviant sexuality is clearly where the penis deviates to one side or the other.
It's the perfect solution to teen pregnancies too. Tell kids that having a bendy John-Thomas is "deviant" (despite almost every single male having some degree of deviation) and you can oppress an entire generation in to not having sex. It'll be almost as successful at preventing teen pregnancy and teen STD infection as the other forms of abstinence education have proven to be. Where would we be without Conservatives to save us?!
Forget being the beer baron, I'm going to be the poop baron!
Despite a growing deficit and considerable budget concerns, the federal government will soon be paying FBI agents to surf the web in search of questionable content, a job that many Arsians would gladly do for free.
Maybe I'm just not with it, but wtf is an Arsian? Is that an Asian that likes looking at Arse on the internet?
Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams
Well, thank God for that. I was scared porn might have gone away. Now the government has declared a war on it, we can rely on the same victories seen in the War On Terror and the War On Drugs: a few politicised arrests followed by a massive upsurge.
Of course, this time, if they want to sacrifice America's fine young ladies in a war that can never be won, you'll get a lot more support from me than when they did it with America's fine young men.
Hooray Beer and Hooray Republicans!
I stumbled across an interesting site a while back.
http://christiansandbdsm.com/
This site states that BDSM in and of itself is not necessarilly anti-Christian, as long as it is practiced within the bounds of marriage with both parties consenting to it and agreeing on boundaries.
Unfortunately, using ``tug typesetting'' as limiting terms filters out too many posts or web pages which I've found useful. The TeX User's Group is an excellent resource, and I contribute to it as best I can (quite often since TUG's support e-mail address was piped through to texhax), but there's quite a bit more out there.
William
Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
"...I ask any reasonable person (most slashdotters excluded here
With luck and a following wind, fornication can result in some of the most pleasurable, exciting and intense experiences that will occur during your oh-so brief lifetime.
As you say, it can also result in STDs, babies, shame and regret. Speaking of regrets, my biggest regret is that I declined, when my girlfriend & her (female) cousin came home drunk and offered to double up on me. However, I digress...
Many choices in life are a gamble. If the fornification gamble had no payoff, why would people "place their bets" with such frequency?
T&K.
Political language
There is nothing wrong with sex between two consenting unmarried people, just like there's nothing wrong with same-sex marriage. "Christian morality" is an oxymoron. That is the truth that shall set you free, not "knowing Jebus."
But god must really love the Bible Belt - he's sending all those hurricanes there to help all his children get all that nice federal money, and to take extended vacations from work. He's even provided all those corpes (surely, they are heathen corpses, right?) so the crocodiles won't starve. Yes, sir, the ultimate slave-owner thinks of everything.
He's even helping his number one servant, George Bush, be the most popular president in all history.
Too bad God doesn't exist. If Jesus were to appear before me tonight, I would take the opportunity to be the first in line to say "fuck you" and kick him in the balls because of all the stupidity and harm done in his name. After all, if he's so omnipotent, he's been pretty damn negligent.
I assume this means that the 'War On Terror' is over then? It certainly would indicate that they (the FBI) have nothing better to do than harass people minding their own business. Since they're no longer needed or even serving a useful purpose, perhaps it's time to think about disbanding them?
If a giant oil company wanted an abortion, would W's head explode?
we talk about 'consenting adults'....However it has to be VALID CONSENT. What constitutes valid consent? Take a look at a lot of the girls drinking urine, or some of the real vile stuff. I do not think they are doing this 'freely' as you and I decide. Rather there is something behind the scenes: i) drug addictions ii) Low education, no money ...What about those that do love the taste of urine and would love to do this in public eye(assuming they do it privately...why not get paid for it?) ...How do we determine valid consent? At what point of 'the perks' becomes coersion?
Personally, I'm still waiting where you show that urine is in any way LESS safe than the other fluids that are involved in plain vanilla sex. Which IS perfectly legal for those over 18.
Even if you suppose the urinator has an infection of some kind and that sterile urine picks up some bacteria on the way out... isn't that the same exit that semen is taking? And how does either of those compare to saliva?
The entire point of the (what was it now, great-great-grandparent?) original post was that two consenting adults involved in "water sports" aren't doing anything in any way more dangerous than you'd see in "standard" porn. So -- why in the world should anyone care if another adult wants to see videos of this? So.. it doesn't hurt the participants in any way (cf America's Funniest Home Videos, for example), they are consenting adults, and even if viewers decide to do the same thing, it won't hurt them in any way (again, cf America's Funniest HV, or Jackass, or WWF wrestling, or pro football, or boxing, or almost any action movie... need I go on?). Why the hell are they outlawing it? Hey, it doesn't float my boat, but I really have no concern whatsoever with anyone who does get off on it. Why shouldn't I?
Oh, because urination is OUTRAGEOUS! It must be stopped! Sure, it's not hurting anyone... but somehow it's CORRUPTING THEM!
It's so ridiculous, I could just spit. Wait, is that still legal?
Man, I don't understand the US government. Democracy my ass. I don't remember voting on any referendum to allow the government to censor pornography.
I know, I know, we get to vote on our representatives and the President, and this somehow means that we must suffer what they put into law. The funny thing about pornography is, in my experience it is the bosses who often consume more of it than the lower workers. Am I right IT guys? And I am sure the federal government workers such as Congress are even more guilty. I've read how the congressmen going to Viet Nam for tours back when were more interested in getting poontang and buying black market antiquities than in investigating the war effort.
Here on the one side (detriments) we have a waste of taxpayer money, oppression of pornography, and a freedom of speech right that is more narrow than it was yesterday. On the other side we have, what, more uptight citizens? No, that goes with the first side. What again exactly is the benefit of this oppression?
It is often the more you oppress something, the more people are interested in it. So I guess the benefit we will get is that more people may become interested in this stuff. And likely everyone will all be more uptight about the whole issue.
Great, go after 2 *consenting adults* .. WTF?
Since when does the government have a right to dictate what is deviant when all parties are adults and are consenting to the activity?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So the people that run underage escort services featuring "call-boys" out of their town-homes and even the White House are going to be prosecuting us for deviant sex?
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See the headlines of the Washington Times (June 29, 1989) "Homosexual prostitution ring ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush." Photoshop, you say? I'm old enough to remember when the paper came out. Watch the documentary "Conspiracy of Silence" that was to air on the Discovery channel on May 3, 1994 but was suppressed.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_elite_sex_rin
Its good to hear we have taken care of the terrorist threat. Gangs.. etc.. and that we have time to INVADE THE CITIZENS PRIVACY even more. 'to protect us'.
I suppose this crap is 'for the kids' too, eh?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Pres. Bush: "I take full responsibility for the massive fuckups that I've perpetuated despite having spent a trillion dollars on the problem, increased the size of the government, and raised spending all while... LOOK OVER THERE! PORN! EVIL, EVIL PORN!"
Press: "Huh? Where? Ohmygod!"
Press: "That's disgusting!"
Press: "No it's not, he's consenting."
Press: "Oh yeah? How would you know?"
Press: "I uh... hey, where'd the President go?"
"No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
Thank you to the FBI... I'm glad to see a consistent track record from Uncle Sam!!
...
Let's lower less important priorities like
Murder
Terrorism
Rape
It's obvious that compared to consensual sex, they should all be lower on the priority list. It's consistent with film ratings too. Beheadding someone is ok - but sex in a movie?? Heaven forbid!!
Consistency is a good thing.
Regards,
Joe Public
PS Only in America would someone be more offended by nudity than graphic violence. This FBI priority speaks volumes.
Heh, way to be a bigot. Here's a hint: just because they don't want to pledge allegence to your god in order to be an accepted part of this country does not mean they want to steal your bible and burn down your church.
And now sir, you get the bigot award as well. Just because your beliefs do not make room for a religion, does not make religion a myth or false. You can no more prove other's religion wrong than they can prove it correct. Try pulling your head out of your arrogant ass and you might actually start having some success at conviencing your beliefs have some merit.
Extreme pornographers should be punished under the same philosophy as drug dealers.
Drugs too are a 'no victim' crime... until you look at the correlations between crime and drug usage. Do some research and you'll find that pornography usage is strikingly correlated with serious felonies (domestic abuse, rape, incest, murder...) as well as correlated with the development of many phsycological pathologies.
While I don't claim to know what is and isn't protected as a freedom of speech, there is certainly enough sociological evidence to show the addictive cycle of pornography parallels the addictive cycle of druge usage, all of which leads to criminal behavior.
So who are these pornographers compared to other 'clearly criminal' offenders? They are drug dealers--only a different kind of drug that is release in our mind instead of swallowed.
... I saw a special on a congressman who had the largest porn library in the world, in his basement, in WASHINGTON D.C. Hehe... Poor guy.
Canada already requires that all pornographic movies go through a national censorship process, and anything determined too devient is not approved.
Canada customs are extremly vigilant about checking any CD, movie, magazine you might be bringing into Canada to make sure no smut from the U.S. or anywhere else is coming in.
You know, I'm all for exposing stupid, wrong, and evil motivations behind proselytizing. For instance, the church I've been going to sent out an e-mail a few weeks ago encouraging people to help out victims of Hurricane Katrina, and the e-mail said helping them would be a good way to "show them that love [read: 'God'] always triumphs" or something like that. My feeling was, how about if we instead help them purely because we care about our fellow man?
But I digress. The point is, I agree that people have stupid motivations for proselytizing. But, I was raised in the Christian church and have been involved in it for 1/3 century now in some form, and I have never seen anyone proselytize for the reason that you describe. I've seen people proselytize because they think they're supposed to and they'd feel guilty if they didn't. I've seen people proselytize because they think they're supposed to, and deep down they're good people who want to do what's right. I've seen people proselytize because they're afraid God is going to be mad at them if they don't. I've seen people proselytize because they are sure they're right and they are sure people who believe differently are wrong and they feel sorry for those people and want to help them. I've seen a whole lot of people proselytizing because it makes them feel like they're achieving something if they make the church grow bigger (even if it's at the expense of other churches growing smaller). I've seen people proselytizing because they have a bad self-image in general and they feel like if they do what God wants them to, then this makes them a good person.
But, I've never seen anyone proselytize because convincing someone else of something validates their own belief in it. Fact is, there are plenty of people who really don't believe in God, but there are plenty of people who honestly, really, truly do believe in God and aren't just saying that because they want to use the concept of God to manipulate others somehow. Now, whether they're right or wrong about their belief in God is a different story, but it would be a mistake to think they don't really believe in it.
Oh, ye of little proof!
Your mythology is precisely as valid as this mythology. That will not change, no matter how much of snit you work yourself into.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
First they came for the pornographers, and I did not speak out because I was not a pornographer.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
Let's not forget that Gonzalez just lost a major case: he tried to prosecute producers of violent porn, and the judge threw the case out, agreeing with the defense that production and distribution of obscene materials are protected by the constitutional right to privacy. Of course Gonzalez is going to appeal.
To be serious for a moment... If I had children I know there are things on the internet I wouldn't want them to stumble upon so I can see why some people want to have that kind of content eliminated. On the other hand I don't believe that the government should have the power to decide what qualifies as ofensive. I would rather take it upon myself as a parent to limit my child's access to the internet. (/serious) When the day comes that my nerd son has skillz so 1337 that he can best my home network security then I will proudly grant him access to the full fowlness of the internet. I will unleash upon the internet a nerd the likes of which the world has never seen before!
Mod me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
Oh, ye of little comprehension!
Your conjecture is precisely as valid as this conjecture. That will not change, no matter how much of snit you work yourself into.
I bet someone sent Ashcroft an email with Goatse hidden in it. And they sent it to him because he covered all those deviant porno statues. Especially that one that was behind him for every press conference. He was so traumatized he had to step down, but he had to let the incoming AG know about it so the FBI could go after all that Goatse porn.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
I think you are confusing "irrational" with "practical". Of course, I say this with the full authority of a radfem and commie, both of which I sorta am.:P
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Conservatives think the same thing about society that user ajs said here about hurricane control:
"My rule of thumb is: don't mess with large systems that you depend on for your survival."
The Bush administration is not conservative in that sense.
I'm not sure they were necessarily so openly perverted *at the time*, but your point is well taken.
It is a shame that we Americans seem hell-bent (sorry, couldn't resist) on turning back the clock to one of the most socially and psychologically repressive eras in human existence.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
What makes you think I'm upset?
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Try these sites:
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http://www.newsmakingnews.com/sexandcapitol7,18,0
(full text of many news articles)
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388cd49f5ce8.h
(Sex, Lies, Videotape, Teenagers, Drugs, Blackmail, and Death)
To see the entire "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary:
http://www.rense.com/general61/appallingconspirac
The home of internet porn, spam and crime declares war on one of these things. That's very much like the USA trying to abolish weapons of mass distructions. Doh. Bigotry is bliss. :-)
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
Welcome back to the Comstock era everybody were one man or group or orginisation gets to decide what is correct and moral for the rest of the nation like it or not he/they are the sole voice of morality for the next 50 years. :(
Ok so i think the pissing and shitting is kinda sick myself but as long as their consenting adults and it's got proper safeguards in place to keep the kiddies out i don't see where it needs regulation.
Coward? Coward! Thems fighten words!!
My collection has yet to include Dogs who love Midget's Shoes or Hot Ant on Ant action. If the FBI can find such sites then they are my heroes.
Sorry, but this is a political scenario called; "Run Screaming back to your base"
Call me partisan (and I am certainly am), but this is pure hokum. Bushcorp is in big trouble in the polls and need to get the approval points back up. Look for big crackdowns on NAMBLA (North American Marlon Brando Look-Alike) and Gay Porn sites. Mary Carey - The Porn Star Who Would Be Governor of California, Will be linked to making porn and keep her out of the race for the next California Governor. Leaving only the likes of Gary Coleman and Democrats to face down Schwarzenegger in 2006.
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
Yes, for everyday it becomes more and more like it.
Always trying to regulate everything.
So anal intercourse will be banned?
I think they shouldnt try ban any porn.
But maybe they should make so that its not allowed for non-adult sites to have adult banners on them, to prevent kids and people from entering those sites by accident.
"In my experience, most proslytutes"
Does that include Rush LImbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, George Bush and the people who follow them?
evil is as evil does
Code is Speech. No to Censorship.
Nazsco 1:19
and since the bible has issues with drunken orgies, i'm an ateist
You might as well, since the bible is a translation of a translation of a.... Each translation will reflect the politics and norms of the times.
http://www.rootstrikers.org/
I bet you're with the evil folks that kidnaped jebus!
(because he's already back)
Why? Because you'll be gripping it so hard or because its so sticky....
As for the others - bestiality, yes, this is wrong and should be banned - animals can't consent, obviously. I've no qualms with them banning this, as I'm not a fan of animal cruelty in any form...
Again, the 'animals can't consent' theory. I dare ya to try to hump the next pitbull you come across, five bucks says you get a nice big taste of reality.
What makes you think I'm upset?
According to an electronic memo from FBI headquarters, established legal precedents indicate that conviction is most likely in cases where the content "includes bestiality, urination, defecation, as well as sadistic and masochistic behavior."
I was fine with killing all the indians. I was fine with burning witches. I was fine with stealing half of mexico. I was fine with putting the japs in a bunch of camps. I was fine with american imperialism. I'm fine with a war on islam (if it weakens christianity). But if they take away my fucking porn, I'm going to lead an armed rebellion. We can move to canada, arm up, then invade from the north! They'll NEVER expect that!
I know exactly why they're doing this. It's the same reason you might offer someone $500 for a car you intend to pay $2000 for. Offer the extreme and make them bargain with you to the point where you're happy, but this way they feel relieved because they didn't get totally fucked. So instead of us arguing to make prostitution and marijuana legal, we're fighting this battle over something much more severe, and losing territory in the mean time. Brilliant strategy on their part, really, until it pisses people off.
SWM seeks new sig for a brief fling
Check out these deviants...
Hell no, I'm adding it to my favorites!
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
America supposedly have a Christian heritage, yet the whole bible isn't followed.
.. that it's ok to torture some non US citizen innocents if americans are to be saved. I have heard this view being pushed as to why the prisoners in Gitmo shouldnt have rights, we dont have an obligation to determine their guilt or innocence and therefore they should be tortured for information.
.. try searching or better yet read the whole book)
For example many "Christians" believe that it's ok to torture people without knowing for 100% certain that they are guilty, because it can save lives
Many so called christians are in no way deserving of that name. That is the reason many people have turned away from chrisianity. Because of the false ambassadors.
However the bible is quite clear:
Proverbs 16:8 (New International Version)
8 Better a little with righteousness than much gain with injustice
And the meme going around that illegal immigrants deserve no rights:
Jeremiah 22:3
3 This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Deuteronomy 1:16
16 And I charged your judges at that time: Hear the disputes between your brothers and judge fairly, whether the case is between brother Israelites or between one of them and an alien.
Leviticus 24:22
22 You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.' "
Exodus 12:49
49 The same law applies to the native-born and to the alien living among you."
Leviticus 19:33
When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him.
Deuteronomy 10:18
He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing.
(there are a lot more
1. The FBI can actually catch pornographers.
2. It's nearly impossible to defend "deviant" pornography without easily being labeled and therefore ignored or reviled by the public.
3. It makes the government look good in the eyes of the bible thumping sheeple that make up the voting public.
4. Pork. Hey, how else are the well-educated-but-utterly-unskilled friends and family of connected families supposed to get a well paying government job?
As a secular humanist, I found it an interesting interpretation.
"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
Oooh, you mean deviant pr0n? Why didn't you say so?
Yes, I am the one with the legendary sig.
Not to nitpick but there is no such word as "prosylutes" the correct word used in the parent context would be "proselytizers." - Merriam Webster
Yes, I think we should only use the original greek and hebrew text because anyone who can't read those languages fluently obviously isn't intelligent enough to have any useful ideas about God, they should shut up and leave determining God's will to those of us who are 'enlightened'. Let's not argue about which original well use because there are several discrepencies between the copies that exist today.
Oh yeah, and St. Jerome was actually the first guy to do the whole vernacular scripture thing. He compiled the Vulgate (i.e. vulgar or common) which was meant to be readable for the common people (and was until Christianity spread beyond the Roman Empire)
Just wait until they hear of this 'oxygen' substance!
Analogies don't equal equalities, they are merely somewhat analogous.
The issue here is that many "fundementalist" christians have a lot of trouble making religion work with a thoroughly modern mind set. They approach the bible and religion as if it is supposed to be logical. It isn't. Religion isn't about logic. But most modern americans lack the tools to deal with something that really is purely spiritual. Clearly this state is pretty weak faith. I think someone who's faith is weak and their belief relies on christianity being based entirely on fact and logic is going to do some crazy things. Like insist that evolution doesn't happen because it isn't in the bible. In that state they really do spread the word because its the only way they can keep from doubting.
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I don't give a damn about hunting down porn. The FBI's #1 priority right now should be counterterrorism and counterintelligence. Second to that should be criminal organizations that create infrastructure that can also be useful to terrorists or other non-state actors. After that can be prioritized what with the politics and the stick-up-the-ass interference in the private lives of adult Americans.
Gonzales and Bush just don't have their priorities straight at DoJ. I move that they be forbidden from speaking the phrase "War on Terror" until it's given a higher priority at FBI than what private citizens do with their naughtybits.
Seriously, this is either lunacy, incompetance or both.
"Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
Disclaimer:
I am not a paedophile and people who are want castration, preferably without anaesthetic, and a good kicking.
However.
Uninformed readers should take note because this development is a repeat of many forms of oppression down the ages.
Yes, lets crack down on kiddie porn.
OK, how do we do that? We build a surveillance infrastructure.
It's pricey but worth every penny and Society is with every step of the way.
Hmm, now we have that infrastructure, lets crack down on Deviant Sex.
Ok, 10% of Society kinda like a bit of the old deviant sex, but the majority are with us on this.
Right. Anal sex. Its illegal in 10 states dontyaknow and its only reallythe village, san fran and frat houses where people do this kind of thing. So thats banned too. Gotta use that infrastructure else its tax dollars gone to waste.
Hang on. There's a white chick with a black guy. Cant have that.
Wait. Two chicks. That cant be right.
And this guy over here just downloaded some MP3's too.
Just an observation.
Fine, but that says nothing in favor of internally contradictory mythologies such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
I live in a small canadian city. There are three porn stores in my city. one of them, a half our bike ride from my house, is open 24/7. there, I can go to buy star trek porn, along with all kinds of bdsm/deviant material. and this stuff isn't rated, btw.
Is that why you decided to post?
this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
I guess we do. I guess we need a nanny state to make sure we keep our weenies in the proper places. I guess we can't trust ourselves.
I think none of us should be complaining about this. After all, we begged for it.
Gonna do anything about it? I betcha won't.
The world waits with bated breath. Will the USA citizenry finally wake up?
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...Or is the point that a man may not have vaginal intercourse with another man, and should do it anally instead? (that would definitely be more practical...) ;)
You are standing in an open server west of a blue house, with a boarded front door. There is an Exchange mailbox here.
Now lets also crack down on eating and feeling hungry.
The Goatse.cx man is on notice.
And rightly so, pure hydroxide (OH) would be highly basic and corrosive.
If you were a slave, would you want your owner to free you ? Yes ? Then, the very command you quoted - "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - means that you should set free any slaves you might have. Where you got the idea that this command doesn't apply to slaves I have no idea. It certainly does.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Very insightful!
The question to ask a_greer2005 is, "Would you have voted against Bush if you knew about this?" My guess is the answer is "no", because this would have meant voting for Kerry.
OTOH, I am quite sure there are parents who would see the FBI's action as a good thing - even Democratic parents.
This is classic wedge politics. Basically, anything that has more of a chance to cause voters on the other side to defect than your own voters qualifies.
No. Being unable to live by your ideals now and then (or most of the time or even any time) does not make you hyporcite. It makes you flawed and inperfect. Now, if this Friday night hell riser condems his drinking buddies on Sunday, then he is a hypocrite - because he holds others onto a standard of behavior the himself is unable or unwilling to follow.
That's what hypocrisy is - judging others with a different scale than yourself. You starts condemning people, you assume the powers of a judge (for which you really don't have authority for, but that is beyond this discussion); you start condemning different people with different scale, you become a corrupt judge, and are essentially showing contempt for whatever law you are supposedly judging by - God's law, in this case.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
....mythologies such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism or Hinduism....
My point is that those who adhere to the religion of science pretend that their religion is somehow "objective" and therefore true and may be propagated in violation of the separation of church and state. They have convinced our courts and lawmakers of that and so their faith based religion may be openly taught in public schools, whereas all the others are prohibited. Unproven, faith based scientific dogma is the state sponsored religion of the United States of America, to the exclusion of all others. What's so different about that than when the Catholic church was the only one allowed in medieval Europe?
All theory is gray
With all his supposed "teachings", Jesus never came out once and said "You can't own people, smeghead!" For someone who was supposed to be the son of god, he certainly lacked any real insight into the human condition.
But then again, since there is no god, jesus was a nutbar to believe he was "god the son", which explains a lot, both about him, and his followers even unto the present day.
FBI agents always signs on as 'FBI'. :)
The gay problem is getting out of hand in the cities. Will the FBI take that on, too? Or is this just limited to online deviancy?
The greatest humor in this, of course, is that Banky turned out to be gay.
Or at least bisexual.
The biggest problem I had with that movie (those movies? Banky wasn't "outed" until the end of J&SBSB, and even then only in the deleted scenes) is that the Smith kept using the word "gay" (and "lesbian"), when he obviously meant "bi".
Alyssa was bi - she enjoyed sex with men and women. She chose women because they were easier to deal with, but she wasn't lesbian. (Although she might have been a closet-bisexual, it doesn't change the fact that after she was outed it was obvious that she wasn't a lesbian, but bisexual.) Kevin Smith keeps referring to the character as gay, even though she clearly wasn't.
The other problem I had was that Holden was upset because she had 'more experience', and not because she lied to him about who she was. That whole scene on the swings, were his interest begins turning from infatuation to love, was based on a lie (and a whopper of a lie.) Why wasn't he upset about that?
It was a good movie, but it could have been much better.
Why the hell not? Did you notice that it is illegal to take pictures of certain public parks or buildings? Why? Because they have *exclusive rights* sold as intellectual property to people - to your PUBLIC things. Because they can make a buck, and obviously constraining the IP under use for the public trust to continue operations is financially responsible, so don't ask any questions, and move along..
Right. I just heard an interview on Fresh Air on NPR, where the author being interviewed was talking about how the *real* Mafia had had a resurgence after 9/11; there's supposedly terrorists under every bed (like "commies" in the fifties), and multinationals are stealing the country blind... but pr0n is the top of the priority list.
America: the most hypocritical country in human history.
mark
Wow, "Ellie Crystal's Metaphysical and Scientific Website" says all that, huh? Really pulling out the big guns, aren't you.
Look, it's Bad vs. Evil not because Roman slaves had it better than American ones (they did. read a fucking book instead of searching google) but because we KNEW BETTER. Hello, post-enlightenment society?
Side note, but Im guessing you're an ex-catholic. Most people go from religious to non-religious (if they're making that kind of decision), but it's only the catholics that go straight to anti-religion. Or see intelligent design as a christian phenomenon, rather than simply yet another weird perversion to come out of the south.
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
Yes.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
"Fornication" is an English word, never found in the original text. This may shock you, but language can be ambiguous. Thus, translations can be wrong. This is why Muslims consider only Arabic versions of the Qur'an to be correct. Sometimes I wish Christians did the same.
Nobody remembers this now, but Harvard University was founded by a bunch of evil white puritan dudes so that their evil white puritan spawn could be taught to read the New Testament in its original Greek, without all the overhead of the {Greek -> Latin} and {Latin -> English} interventions.
As an aside, the word in question here is porneia, and there's a great deal of controversy about what it might have meant to the first century ear. One theory is that porneia meant "abomination", so that a man and a woman were not to divorce unless they came to discover that their marriage was an abomination - for instance, if they were to learn, after marrying, that they were in fact half-brother and half-sister. Cf Pierre Jourde's Lost Land, or - SPOILER ALERT - John Sayles's Lone Star, or, of course, Sophocles's Oedipus Rex.
Finally, while we're on the subject of Harvard, you might be interested in her motto, Veritas, or "Truth":
You're obviously not aware that piss is not unhealthy in the sense that its a waste product of the cellular process. Which means that it is not "dirty". Its simply a waste product; like carbon monoxide from burning. In fact, soldiers would use "fresh" urine to sterilize wounds in the field, as it was considered clean.
As opposed to shit which is basically food wastes laced with bacteria which is very unhealthy.
Just because you do the two things in a bathroom doesn't make them equal in terms of their health hazard. When kids pee in the pool, it doesn't make the pool water unhealthy, and chlorine cleans it easily. If someone takes a dump in the pool, its a major health risk.
As to the mental aspects of it; like you, I don't find it interesting, but unlike you, I find it like one of a number of sexual things that are different that don't pass judgement on. There's no point. If a guy likes a girl to piss on him, my only thought is "do it in the bathtub so its easier to clean", not "oh that is sick, they need help!".
I consider it pathological that some people are concerned about other people's private matters.
Oh, great. If addictions are reasons for outlawing stuff we should kiss Slashdot goodbye right now.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
It is an undeniable statement. Go back home to the Middle East where you belong, Christian assholes.
Do no wrong or violence to the alien,
is between brother Israelites or between one of them and an alien.
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born.
The same law applies to the native-born and to the alien living among you.
When an alien lives with you in your land,
and loves the alien,
Aha! So we have Biblical proof that aliens visited earth in ancient times! Are there any verses about large rings that the aliens stepped out of?
I wanted to clarify that as you only listed "liberals" in your list.
evil is as evil does
Except religion. It's okay to be one of those addicted religious nuts who can't stop praising jesus for every random daily event (or blaming homosexuals for every catastrophe from hurricanes and earthquakes to terrorist attacks and gas prices).
Ironically, who are the people that seem to become the most crazy, gung-ho religious freaks? Why, former drug addicts, convicted criminals and alcoholics. Interesting how people who desperately have to cling on to substances to keep going in life have to desperately cling on to some random theology to keep going in life as a replacement addiction.
I guess being wiccan, jewish or bhudist makes you a deviant, too - since most people are Christian. Would'nt want to do anything different from the rest of society, lest you be singled out and targeted as a deviant of one sort or another.
Do you really want to fight a war against a bunch of people who fuck horses, fuck babies, and get off on shitting and pissing all over each other?
Those are the kind of people my mother warned me about!
How do I opt-out of this war of yours?
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Also, you guessed wrong about my former beliefs. Former fundamentalist baptist. And no, Intelligent Design isn't something new. It existed as a fundamentalist teaching before the Intarweb.
I'd love it if people actually read the Bible.
The Bible doesn't prohibit premarital sex.
I have "discovered" the exact same line of reasoning you have and it is a pretty cool observation you can make to show you know the Bible. There's just one (big) problem with it.
The problem with your reasoning is that it omits to mention Jesus's teaching on lust. If a man looks at a woman with lust in his eye, he has committed adultery with her. Now we can argue whether Jesus was intentionally using hyperbole or demonstrating that true adherence to the spirit of the Law went well beyond the written code, that by God's standards we are all sinners, or "whatever his point was." But I don't think you can say premarital sex is "OK by the bible"... Can a man have premarital sex with a woman but "not look at her with lust" and thus not commit adultery?
Nice try though.
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What keeps science from being a religion is that we only believe things we have evidence for (verifiable by a skeptical third party), and when conflicting evidence appears we're willing to discard and replace anything we had believed until it all fits again. Religions proudly go far beyond what any evidence can support (this is called "faith", a euphemism for creating nonsense and then pretending we've learned something), and have been known to suppress inconvenient evidence and torture and murder their discoverers.
Trying to excuse your god from condemning it because it was "less wrong back then" is pretty foolish.
My god? I guess we both relearned that old chestnut about assumptions today. Anyhow, I feel like I've been steered into somehow supporting Roman slavery. Not appreciated. My whole point was that slavery back then wasn't the same as slavery in the US, a point that someone who studied BOTH institutions might appreciate. Not trying to make excuses, because it's simply not relevant to me. I don't care. Just trying to point out that different situations reveal different ethical concerns. Not a lot of abolitionists bugging Caesar, were there? Not for long at least...
Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
And we need God more than ever to destroy that bastion of Satan-worship known as "Christianity."
All Christians everywhere SHOULD be blamed for the destruction and poor values they have brought to this world. The very notion of "Christ" blasphemes God. Christians wrongly place a human above God. They fool people into ignoring true divinity (God) by claiming humans have divinity, the asshat distractors that they are. They lie about the origins of the U.S. and claim that its founders were Christian, when in fact they were Deists and highly skeptical of Christianity, hence the separation the founders tried to draw between church and state.
All organized religions devolve into, ultimately, political parties. The Christian political party particularly is a hateful, intolerant party.
So yes, we should blame all Christians, everywhere, for the mess they have caused to the world. Religious nuts of every stripe suck, be they Christians or Taliban. Very little if any difference between them, is there?
Lions versus Christians? Go Lions. The only good Christian is a dead Christian. I hate to say it but I have come to believe that. Christians/Taliban/any religion are all DESTROYING the world. And they won't be satisfied till they nuke the whole earth.
Jesus sucks. Jesus IS Satan. Think about it.
Only God is blessed. The notion of elevation of a human to supposedly be godlike and divine is satanic, whether it's Christ over here, or Muhamed over there, or Haile Salassie over there, or Emperor Hirohito there, or whoever the flavor of the month "divine human" is this day of the week.
Graduate from Christianity. Leave that sick excuse for a gutter religion behind. The very first sin recognized by men should be the interference in political affairs by churches. Now THAT is obscene.
Are we sure they aren't looking more towards bondage, rape-fantasy, beastiality, etc.... Types of porn that leave some reason as to the "consenting" part of the consenting adults and/or consenting horse,dog,pig,cat,chicken etc.... ;)
Of course maybe I'm just trying to come up with excuses to give them the benefit of a doubt since I try to believe that the government isn't trying to supress our freedoms.
Jay Dale "If you're not living on the edge then you're taking up too much space!"
No, it wasn't a queston of whether you supported Roman slavers doing their nasty. To back up a bit, it was that religion has dirty hands wrt slavery, and the bible spends a lot of time telling people what to do, including killing off whole tribes who are "different" (ethnic cleansing) and enslaving and raping the women (after all, if you kill off the husbands and take their wives as your own w/o their consent, its rape) and enslaving the children. This is wrong.
That Jesus would come out and say |I and the father are one" means that his hands are dirty (but so was his mind. Anyone so preoccupied with other peoples' sex lives ... the boy had some serious hangups and would be confined to a mental institution today)
Certainly. T a lesser extent, so do those who want to criminalize most any consensual activity.
Wow. What's that word for when we blow the budget to overseas and wipe out the Taliban, while we put the American Taliban in power here? Is it IRONY? I think so!
In the USA, we like stuff watered down, like beer, television, and freedom.
Ever read Ezekiel chapter 1?. Ezekiel sees something very strange, involving not rings, but wheels.
...
"In appearance their form was that of a man, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved."
"15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about [d] as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around."
"19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels."
-mkb
I would love for once to see some real evidence to support this vague claim.
"If men will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn
I just read the first several chapters of Ezekiel, and it certainly reminds me of the Ga'ould visiting primitive humans and telling them to do stuff.
"4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the northan immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,"
This sounds just like some sort of spaceship descending.
The wheels sound like some sort of anti-gravity transport device.
Hmm... maybe there's more to the Bible than I thought. It's too bad the Stargate TV show can't bring up stuff like this from the Bible, since it'd piss off so many Christians.
I am glad that the FBI is going to do more to get rid of porn. I used to recieve pornographic spam on my email. It can also be a nuisence with p2p downloading. Sometimes you get porn when you are looking for legitimate content. Glad to be rid of it.
I wonder if you could nail somebody on a technicality with this though. After all, animals tend to have lesser lifespans than humans, so why not nail them for 'sex with a minor.' Or would you have to do with the conversion and use 'doggy years' for somebody that's getting it on with Lassie?
Such as the original being written in either Aramaic or Greek? And the King James version being influenced by--wait for it--King James?
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I think we are missing the point. If they are able to draw a line that says X is porn Y is illegal then they will be able to tax X and punish those selling Y. This is nothing more than the first volley in an economic war for government access to porn revenue.
Ok genius, show me how the fact that parts of the Bible are written in different languages represents a "translation of a translation of a....", and give just one example of how the King James translation differs from the orginal Aramaic or Greek (other than the obvious, "it's a different language") as a result of King James' influence. I'm waiting for it...
I hear this lame argument all the time, about there being different translations, and how they say different things. Obviously, it would be best if everyone could read and understand the original language to detect the subtle nuances of the language. But, to say that the translations change the meaning is not a valid argument. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if you read a particular portion of the Bible in its context, the principles will transcend the language. Of course, if you like to pick bits out of context, then you can make the Bible say just about anything you want, including, "there is no God." That statment, taken out of context, contradicts the whole of the Bible, and is obviously not the intended meaning.
"If men will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn
The simple answer is that Paul thought it was best to be celibate like him, but if you couldn't manage that, you should marry and be faithful so you don't fornicate. The rest of the passage is just elaboration on the idea of using marriage to channel the sex urge, but in the end he reiterates that it's better not to have sex at all.
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I just got really annoyed by all the spam and started turning in that kind of stuff to the secret service and the FBI.
If I didn't get so much spam from things like that, they probably wouldn't have investigated.
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100GB is not an addiction.
I don't get it.
You're assuming that politicians take one position and hold to it. While I would like to think that (you know, so I can hope that the person I elected will still be the person I elected in four years) but I'm afraid reality doesn't really bear that out. To survive, a politician must switch sides whenever they can do so and the net gain in followers is less than the net loss.
This sig has absolutely no significance and serves only to take up screen space and waste the time of the reader.
The first paper a rather good read, and it has encouraged me to search out some good translations to read even though I'm agnostic at best.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
This may be shocking but Latex is used for more then sexual fetishes.
Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
NT
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