Virtually all aspects of freebsd have been touched. Some stuff has been released open source, not all of it in a form the original license holders can use. Most of the changes have not been contributed back.
Virtually all aspects of darwin have been touched by the mac engineers. Just to give you one minor example utilities like tar, rsync etc all were modified to deal with resource forks.
You missed my point. They took a shitload of BSD code, the modified a bunch of it, only gave back a tiny little bit and even then in a form the original coders can't easily use.
"I don't get music or movies from p2p (now). But what I don't approve is this attempt by the big corps to stymie the technology."
What I disaprove even more is big corps trying to stymie ART. Specifically by discontinuining the production and distribution of thousands of albums deemed not profitable enough. If you want to buy a CD that's out of print you have to try to find it used (very hard considering it wasn't popular in the first place) or look for it in the p2p world.
The tagline says "news for nerd" well it's for nerds alright but it's not news if it happened two days ago. What's the opposite of news? "olds for nerds"?
if you worked for a company why in heavens would you want your code open sourced? You can just take all the BSD code you want mingle it with your code, provide your company with an edge and keep your job.
Just doesn't make any sense. Every single coder who released their code under the BSD licence just donated hundreds if not thousands of man hours of their time to your company. Take it and run.
People who write code under the BSD or similar "liberal" licenses do so because they WANT everybody to take their code. More often then not some commercial company takes their code and contributes nothing back but sometimes the code will find it's way into GPLed code too.
The people who write this code under the Apache license are in fact inviting all software companies to take their code and do whatever they want with it. If some code based on the GPL also adopts the code at least they will be able to see the end result even if they can't redistribute it or fold it back. If HP or IBM takes it of course they won't even be allowed to look at it.
It seems like a waste though, there is already kafee and classpath and now these guys are going to start a brand new project from scratch. My guess is that they'll try to get IBM or HP to release their code.
Netscape 3 was vastly superior to IE3 and yet IE3 quickly gained momentum due to bundling. At that point the MS had succeeded in "cutting off the air supply" ot netscape so they could not advance their browser as fast as MS could.
But I wasn't talking about the past. I was talking about how mozilla/firefox which is vastly superior to IE in every possible way has only been able to squeak a 7% market share. That shows how right the DOJ was and how powerful bundling is.
" The argument from the DOJ was that no competition could develop unless MS unbundled IE. MS did not unbundle "
That's right and no competiton has developed. No other browser has even 10% of a market share. Despite the fact that firefox/mozilla has been around for almost a decade now.
"So think about it. The DOJ claimed only a breakup of MS could restore competition, yet, 5+ years since MS was not broken up competition is flourishing!"
Define flourishing such that 7% of the market share fits the definition.
Your CIO does not know what firefox is, what do you do?
1) Tell your boss to look for escaped token in the token ring network and cruise slashdot while he is distracted. 2) Dangle shiny things in front of his face and offer him napkins when he starts to drool. 3) Sell all your stock. 4) Quit.
"But, wait, actually. Seriously for a second. Isn't this exactly the type of competition that the DOJ argued would/could never happen as long IE was integrated into Windows? Wasn't the argument that IE was illegal tying because there would not be competition due to MS's dominance with Windows? "
That's right. And you yourself admit that 90% is dominance. Why don't we wait till MS share drops below 50% before deciding who was right and wrong. As of today it looks like the DOJ was 100% correct. Due to bundling of IE a superior, more secure and free product is not able to get even a 10% share.
"Private businesses which dont generate huge profits/growth, dont survive. Unless you know of some examples."
I know lots of examples. There is a store near me that has been run by the same couple for the last 30 years or so. Now their son runs it. It survived longer then MCI, US-WEST, and hundreds of other large corporation without ever generating huge profits or growth.
Or the same as SQL server not using more then two gigs of ram unless you upgrade to enterprise edition. The odd thing is that people pay per processor for that bit of crippleware.
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" That's a problem for KDE, but does Apple not have the right to do what they want with their patches?"
Of course they do. Just like the KDE people have the right complain when Apple says that they are giving back to their community but acts otherwise.
Of course the GPL would have prevented all this but that's another topic.
Food production, building and construction, processing of raw materials, manufacturing of durable goods, clothing, services of all kinds.
You think education and telecommunications is the only infrastructure an IT person needs? Are they running around naked, sleeping under the stars and starving to death?
Once again I am not claiming the IT industry is employing slave labor, I am claiming that the infrastructure is cheap because it's based on slavery or near slavery.
"India is successful in outsourcing IT jobs. These are not performed by "child slave labor". The are done by well educated people who live quite well."
I don't dispute that. The infrastructure that the well educated people IT people however is based largely on child labor and indentured slavery. That's one of the main reasons why they can work so cheap over there. Everything from bricks, clothes, fabrics, furniture, food production etc is based on either slavery or near slavery indentured servitude. Of course the IT person in India is working for 1/10th your salary, it only costs him 1/10th as much to get his needs met.
If one day India decides that child labor is bad or indentured slavery is immoral all the costs of goods and services would go up and voila their IT sector would be charging what the Americans and Europeans are.
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Virtually all aspects of freebsd have been touched. Some stuff has been released open source, not all of it in a form the original license holders can use. Most of the changes have not been contributed back.
Virtually all aspects of darwin have been touched by the mac engineers. Just to give you one minor example utilities like tar, rsync etc all were modified to deal with resource forks.
You missed my point. They took a shitload of BSD code, the modified a bunch of it, only gave back a tiny little bit and even then in a form the original coders can't easily use.
It hasn't harmed them a bit.
"I don't get music or movies from p2p (now). But what I don't approve is this attempt by the big corps to stymie the technology."
What I disaprove even more is big corps trying to stymie ART. Specifically by discontinuining the production and distribution of thousands of albums deemed not profitable enough. If you want to buy a CD that's out of print you have to try to find it used (very hard considering it wasn't popular in the first place) or look for it in the p2p world.
What good is art if you can't get to it?
So? Look at what apple did. It didn't seem to harm them any.
The tagline says "news for nerd" well it's for nerds alright but it's not news if it happened two days ago. What's the opposite of news? "olds for nerds"?
if you worked for a company why in heavens would you want your code open sourced? You can just take all the BSD code you want mingle it with your code, provide your company with an edge and keep your job.
Just doesn't make any sense. Every single coder who released their code under the BSD licence just donated hundreds if not thousands of man hours of their time to your company. Take it and run.
What makes you think the people behind the current open source java projects are incompetent and not committed?
What an insulting thing to say.
People who write code under the BSD or similar "liberal" licenses do so because they WANT everybody to take their code. More often then not some commercial company takes their code and contributes nothing back but sometimes the code will find it's way into GPLed code too.
The people who write this code under the Apache license are in fact inviting all software companies to take their code and do whatever they want with it. If some code based on the GPL also adopts the code at least they will be able to see the end result even if they can't redistribute it or fold it back. If HP or IBM takes it of course they won't even be allowed to look at it.
It seems like a waste though, there is already kafee and classpath and now these guys are going to start a brand new project from scratch. My guess is that they'll try to get IBM or HP to release their code.
So MS is keeping you in line with threats and you (and your state) have voluntarily locked your self into a vendor by mandating windows only software.
I don't see anything good coming out of this for the children or society at large.
Crime rates have been falling all across the country. Mostly due to an aging population, but there are other reasons as well.
Your typical gun has less regulation then a car or a lighter. Sad but true.
Netscape 3 was vastly superior to IE3 and yet IE3 quickly gained momentum due to bundling. At that point the MS had succeeded in "cutting off the air supply" ot netscape so they could not advance their browser as fast as MS could.
But I wasn't talking about the past. I was talking about how mozilla/firefox which is vastly superior to IE in every possible way has only been able to squeak a 7% market share. That shows how right the DOJ was and how powerful bundling is.
Please look up netscape.
" The argument from the DOJ was that no competition could develop unless MS unbundled IE. MS did not unbundle "
That's right and no competiton has developed. No other browser has even 10% of a market share. Despite the fact that firefox/mozilla has been around for almost a decade now.
"So think about it. The DOJ claimed only a breakup of MS could restore competition, yet, 5+ years since MS was not broken up competition is flourishing!"
Define flourishing such that 7% of the market share fits the definition.
Vendor lock is a bitch isn't it?
Tell your boss I said good luck with that.
Your CIO does not know what firefox is, what do you do?
1) Tell your boss to look for escaped token in the token ring network and cruise slashdot while he is distracted.
2) Dangle shiny things in front of his face and offer him napkins when he starts to drool.
3) Sell all your stock.
4) Quit.
"But, wait, actually. Seriously for a second. Isn't this exactly the type of competition that the DOJ argued would/could never happen as long IE was integrated into Windows? Wasn't the argument that IE was illegal tying because there would not be competition due to MS's dominance with Windows? "
That's right. And you yourself admit that 90% is dominance. Why don't we wait till MS share drops below 50% before deciding who was right and wrong. As of today it looks like the DOJ was 100% correct. Due to bundling of IE a superior, more secure and free product is not able to get even a 10% share.
"Read up on XNA -- they have a new architecture they're pushing that'll do just that."
Whatever happened to DNA anyway? I can never keep up with MS APIs, they change faster then the weather in texas.
"Now, what it strikes me as this guy wants to make something somewhere between the GPL and BSD licenses."
You know just the top off my head I think LGPL, CCL, and the MPL would fit that bill.
It's hard to know what people want but if you can't find an open source license that fits your needs you aren't really looking very hard.
"Private businesses which dont generate huge profits/growth, dont survive. Unless you know of some examples."
I know lots of examples. There is a store near me that has been run by the same couple for the last 30 years or so. Now their son runs it. It survived longer then MCI, US-WEST, and hundreds of other large corporation without ever generating huge profits or growth.
Or the same as SQL server not using more then two gigs of ram unless you upgrade to enterprise edition. The odd thing is that people pay per processor for that bit of crippleware.
" That's a problem for KDE, but does Apple not have the right to do what they want with their patches?"
Of course they do. Just like the KDE people have the right complain when Apple says that they are giving back to their community but acts otherwise.
Of course the GPL would have prevented all this but that's another topic.
"And that "slave" infrastructure would be...?"
Food production, building and construction, processing of raw materials, manufacturing of durable goods, clothing, services of all kinds.
You think education and telecommunications is the only infrastructure an IT person needs? Are they running around naked, sleeping under the stars and starving to death?
Once again I am not claiming the IT industry is employing slave labor, I am claiming that the infrastructure is cheap because it's based on slavery or near slavery.
"India is successful in outsourcing IT jobs. These are not performed by "child slave labor". The are done by well educated people who live quite well."
I don't dispute that. The infrastructure that the well educated people IT people however is based largely on child labor and indentured slavery. That's one of the main reasons why they can work so cheap over there. Everything from bricks, clothes, fabrics, furniture, food production etc is based on either slavery or near slavery indentured servitude. Of course the IT person in India is working for 1/10th your salary, it only costs him 1/10th as much to get his needs met.
If one day India decides that child labor is bad or indentured slavery is immoral all the costs of goods and services would go up and voila their IT sector would be charging what the Americans and Europeans are.